XP in ASCII is [0x58, 0x50] and Vista is [0x56, 0x69 0x73, 0x74, 0x61]. If we add all of them together we get 168 (0xB2 for XP and 519 (0x207) for Vista
This one's coincidentally accurate, though (relatively; 8 should be in the negatives, or dropped off the chart altogether like ME, and 98 and 98SE should be split).
Chrome bumped its versioning numbers to overtake Firefox back in the day, that’s how we ended up with stupid version numbers like 124.1.2 instead of meaningful versions.
I honestly love this idea unironically because its not really 1.0 until the bugs are gone and all desired features are present. If there are ever 2.0 plans, those are actually 1.0 plans and you were further behind than you thought
IMHO, the leading number should always be a fully distinct version from its preceding iterations. But, there are very few tech-fluent (much less capable) people pulling those levers, it seems.
It depends. If your software lives in a rapidly evolving ecosystem and gets buggier with age, CalVer tells the user how important it is to update. If the ecosystem is stable and you want to inform the user about feature sets and bug fixes, SemVer makes more sense.
By definition, SemVer is supposed to have meaning to end users. If you see the third number increase, no worries, it's just bugfixes.
If you see the second number increase, well, in theory no worries, it's just cool new features but doesn't break anything you were doing, whatever you were doing should keep on working as always, and you can explore the new features at your leisure.
The first number changes: beware, something you may be used to can change/go away so it's not necessarily a slam dunk to update that.
The problem is that many projects just call it SemVer when they just play with arbitrary numbers. I'll call it "Marketing Versioning".
you can tell SemVer works because this is the first time i’ve ever seen it explained, but i already understood all of it just from using programs (and reading changelogs)
I just don't see what the point is of making the version the date. If I care about time then look up the release date metadata associated with the version.
Semver shows breaking changes. That seems more important than time to me, and I'd think for most people. Calver implies to me that people are manually reviewing releases and going "yeah this date is more recent so I think I'll go with that one" which makes no sense to me. Basically everyone has some automated update system.
What does matter to me is if an update with break anything or includes new features.
SemVer isn't bad, but it's kind of pointless in the browsers. The value in SemVer is if you realistically promise to take bumping that first number seriously. Implying you take backwards compatibility seriously, and bugfixes seriously enough to keep patching an 'old' version. If you just maniacally bump the 'backwards incompatible change' number and never bother to revisit old releases, then I don't really care about the SemVer.
Of course, I also don't necessarily care about the CalVer either if there's update notification in play, the browsers will aggressively let you know you need an update. However if update notification isn't working or otherwise isn't in play, then CalVer can at least make you think "24.7... that seems like it might be old, maybe I should look for updates". In Windows world the CalVer has been informative as the system or corporate IT screw up has frozen a device at 22H2 and trigger some manual effort to figure out/fix whyever the hell the system won't go to new functional levels.
Something something "1%" isn't better, it's just an infantile bragging rights distinction with an abhorrently "premium" price-tag. Fucking "1%ers" think they're better simply for being able to pay more for the same shit on the spoon.
Oh yeah, Firefox used to take years to change major version number, then they changed to... what was it now, a 6 week schedule? To keep up with Chrome's versions.
God that app was such trash. Voice recognition simply did not work in the 2000s yet everybody and their mother tried to push it upon us 20 years too soon, just like they're trying to do now with LLMs.
I don't know to me the level it worked, is what makes it really silly to me that so few things can handle local transcription today without cloud services. I felt like it was 99% accurate running on a crappy win XP system with like 256 MB ram. Seems to me that it's crazy that 20 years later we're "well we need to hook you up to a supercomputer to do that".
We literally have Enterprise wide systems where I work that had version upgrades over the last few years that moved transactions from our servers to cloud based ones. It's been a fucking mess for every single application that did that. Regular outages with no real communication or ETA, and there's nothing my team can do about it
I used to work with a pathologist who was so old and stuck in his ways that when the practice was shifting to Dragon, they allowed him to remain on the old transcriptionist service, even though it cost them more.
I sorta remember that I think... But my mind keeps going back to kittens shoved into glass vases for internet shock value. Bonzai kitties was a whole thing in the wild west of the internet and it shouldn't be forgotten.
Hunh. So it tracks, then? Throwing the gates wide for the desperate plebs to run amok across the lands, chasing dreams of a better life —just softening up the resistance of those who came long before and effectively paving the way with their blood, sweat, and sundry lives.
Clearly no AI can maintain an erection the way I do. It's like a baby's arm holding and apple, if the apple was of the Butchered Circumcision variety. Not as good for baking as the Grannie Smith or the Dutchmeal Sweets, but it holds turgid enough for penetration, so it's whatever. And no AI can replace me, and you're stuck with me for eternity cuz I know the true nature of reality and it's a dog shit fucked in my ass cream last night, lengthwise in order to support the Huns invasion of Bulgaria.
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Where is XP and Vista on this chart. Millennium edition is missing but we don't count That one anyway.
They're all NaN and were discarded at outliers... Yeah, they're that bad compared to 2000.
What about my first windows, the 3.0 😭
I think I jumped over from DOS at 3.1. High five!
If you could get *Windows ME to install without crashing.
get YOU to install what?
ME was the abbreviation for Millennium in Windows ME.
The only version of windows I ever purchased.
They owe me now.
You should take it to small claims court
I counted it. They said it was 'more stable'. It was not. I used to know my CD license code off by heart.
XP in ASCII is [0x58, 0x50] and Vista is [0x56, 0x69 0x73, 0x74, 0x61]. If we add all of them together we get 168 (0xB2 for XP and 519 (0x207) for Vista
This one's coincidentally accurate, though (relatively; 8 should be in the negatives, or dropped off the chart altogether like ME, and 98 and 98SE should be split).
Chrome bumped its versioning numbers to overtake Firefox back in the day, that’s how we ended up with stupid version numbers like 124.1.2 instead of meaningful versions.
And then Firefox changed its version numbering policy to "catch up". I lost a shred of respect for them that day.
I've started using CalVer (so a relase in October 2026 would be numbered 26.10). This is just so much better for end-user applications.
What's the benefits here? Why is the semver even bad to begin with? I'm not sure why I'd care that it's in the hundreds. It's a number, right?
Dates - I can just look at the release date if I want that.
The only correct system is 0ver.
I honestly love this idea unironically because its not really 1.0 until the bugs are gone and all desired features are present. If there are ever 2.0 plans, those are actually 1.0 plans and you were further behind than you thought
IMHO, the leading number should always be a fully distinct version from its preceding iterations. But, there are very few tech-fluent (much less capable) people pulling those levers, it seems.
It depends. If your software lives in a rapidly evolving ecosystem and gets buggier with age, CalVer tells the user how important it is to update. If the ecosystem is stable and you want to inform the user about feature sets and bug fixes, SemVer makes more sense.
SemVer simply has no meaning to end users.
By definition, SemVer is supposed to have meaning to end users. If you see the third number increase, no worries, it's just bugfixes.
If you see the second number increase, well, in theory no worries, it's just cool new features but doesn't break anything you were doing, whatever you were doing should keep on working as always, and you can explore the new features at your leisure.
The first number changes: beware, something you may be used to can change/go away so it's not necessarily a slam dunk to update that.
The problem is that many projects just call it SemVer when they just play with arbitrary numbers. I'll call it "Marketing Versioning".
you can tell SemVer works because this is the first time i’ve ever seen it explained, but i already understood all of it just from using programs (and reading changelogs)
You know that puts you so far above average, you're pretty much an outlier though... right? 😅
In a GUI application every change is a breaking change...
You leave Visual Basic alone!
I just don't see what the point is of making the version the date. If I care about time then look up the release date metadata associated with the version.
Semver shows breaking changes. That seems more important than time to me, and I'd think for most people. Calver implies to me that people are manually reviewing releases and going "yeah this date is more recent so I think I'll go with that one" which makes no sense to me. Basically everyone has some automated update system.
What does matter to me is if an update with break anything or includes new features.
SemVer isn't bad, but it's kind of pointless in the browsers. The value in SemVer is if you realistically promise to take bumping that first number seriously. Implying you take backwards compatibility seriously, and bugfixes seriously enough to keep patching an 'old' version. If you just maniacally bump the 'backwards incompatible change' number and never bother to revisit old releases, then I don't really care about the SemVer.
Of course, I also don't necessarily care about the CalVer either if there's update notification in play, the browsers will aggressively let you know you need an update. However if update notification isn't working or otherwise isn't in play, then CalVer can at least make you think "24.7... that seems like it might be old, maybe I should look for updates". In Windows world the CalVer has been informative as the system or corporate IT screw up has frozen a device at 22H2 and trigger some manual effort to figure out/fix whyever the hell the system won't go to new functional levels.
Why not just do 2026.10 then?
Because it's clearly not 1926 and it likely will not be around in 2126.
Maybe the software will be around in 2126, but I most certainly won't, not my problem 😂
Whoa, you're the first Lemmy ghost I've met 😉
Oops
Maybe it's just the horror that we work with a very questionable version of it :(
263.2
2026 release, major 3, minor 2
26.3.2 ?
No :(
Type less numbers. Or one would name versions by their compilation timestamp. You wouldn't want 20261002112036.
really? i personally find the drive to FIFAfy software very distastefull. But to each their own!
Just because you release updates doesn't mean you have to make people pay 60€ every time...
Will the trend stop before we have to start using scientific notation?
version 1.345435e+12 just dropped, time to upgrade.
A sane pre step would be using epoch time as version number.
Oh, we're far beyond that point already.
Not really, Chromium's version just increased by one with every release. It's kinda the same as the second number in the semver designation.
It is worth noting that the same metric is the exact reason that web browser version numbers are so ridiculous.
What's that saying? Something about the moment a metric is used to measure performance, it ceases to be a good metric.
That's what's happening here. In one of the stupidest ways possible.
Here's an episode of the excellent "99 percent Invisible" design podcast that interviews a philosopher who ho has written about this topic! https://99percentinvisible.org/episode/673-the-score/
I listen to 100 percent invisible, thanks
Can't say I blame you; it's 1% better.
Something something "1%" isn't better, it's just an infantile bragging rights distinction with an abhorrently "premium" price-tag. Fucking "1%ers" think they're better simply for being able to pay more for the same shit on the spoon.
Oh yeah, Firefox used to take years to change major version number, then they changed to... what was it now, a 6 week schedule? To keep up with Chrome's versions.
I hate their versioning schedule so damned much
It's gone to a 4 week cadence, now down to a 2-week cadence.
So... apparently Dragon Naturally Speaking (version 16!) has them all blown out of the water....
God that app was such trash. Voice recognition simply did not work in the 2000s yet everybody and their mother tried to push it upon us 20 years too soon, just like they're trying to do now with LLMs.
Remember when windows vista itself came with a voice to text assistant / keyboard thing?
I remeber trying to train that software for hours as a kid just for it to still not understand me half the time lol.
You have reminded me of one of my favorite videos of all time
That was incredible. I had no idea it could be so easy.
I was thinking it was going to be this one:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=HbDnxzrbxn4
Ironically, it was LLMs that made voice recognition work, but nobody is interested in pushing them anymore.
There's a significant minority of us who relentlessly demand a TTS computer with Majel Barrett's voice.
Good thing it's not Morgan Freeman, then. Even naturally sounding like him can get you sued for impersonation, IIRC. 🙃
I love my local LLM voice recognition on my PC through Speech Note on Linux.
I don't know to me the level it worked, is what makes it really silly to me that so few things can handle local transcription today without cloud services. I felt like it was 99% accurate running on a crappy win XP system with like 256 MB ram. Seems to me that it's crazy that 20 years later we're "well we need to hook you up to a supercomputer to do that".
We literally have Enterprise wide systems where I work that had version upgrades over the last few years that moved transactions from our servers to cloud based ones. It's been a fucking mess for every single application that did that. Regular outages with no real communication or ETA, and there's nothing my team can do about it
It is only just barely usable today.
Blast from the past, I remember having this included with some game I bought in the 90s and it felt very Star Trek at the time.
I used to work with a pathologist who was so old and stuck in his ways that when the practice was shifting to Dragon, they allowed him to remain on the old transcriptionist service, even though it cost them more.
Version 20,922,789,888,000 ?
unexpected factorial
This is a joke right? tell me it is please
Yes
They are not ready for my Xbox 360
Meanwhile, Atari is off the scale
smirks in amiga500
My old Amstrad CPC6128 isn't too shabby either
Transylvania 6-5000 is in shambles.
They were ahead of their time, but even that couldn't save that legendary version.
"Crap? I like crap. I love crap. I need crap. Crap is what sells newspapers. Look around you. Crap, crap, crap. Crap, crap, crap, crap."
Important info: Sashi is supposedly a shitposter.
I'm literally the oldest I've ever been in my entire life!
More people have been to Berlin than I have
Has anyone checked on Bonzi Buddy lately, I think it's time to unfreeze him
Also, Clippy was special, but he wasn't evil.
Wow, blast from the past.
I sorta remember that I think... But my mind keeps going back to kittens shoved into glass vases for internet shock value. Bonzai kitties was a whole thing in the wild west of the internet and it shouldn't be forgotten.
you mean the free internet
Hunh. So it tracks, then? Throwing the gates wide for the desperate plebs to run amok across the lands, chasing dreams of a better life —just softening up the resistance of those who came long before and effectively paving the way with their blood, sweat, and sundry lives.
The playbook hasn't changed in centuries.
This is also why I use AMD over NVIDIA.
Why?
Not the devices fault, weird-pauldrons guy.
AMD consumer GPU numbers are I think in the 9000s while Nvidia's are only in the 5000's or maybe 6000's.
Nvidia's really fallen hard, too, they'd reached the 9000s over 18 years ago and just plummeted after that
I'm an idiot.
Shit like this would be laughed at by my professors. What a bunch of goons
Windows 2000 has entered the chat
crushing at saying stupid shit? both are gleefully sloppy
I would like to welcome Sashi to try my new Ollama modelfile, HehoAI 69420
Clearly no AI can maintain an erection the way I do. It's like a baby's arm holding and apple, if the apple was of the Butchered Circumcision variety. Not as good for baking as the Grannie Smith or the Dutchmeal Sweets, but it holds turgid enough for penetration, so it's whatever. And no AI can replace me, and you're stuck with me for eternity cuz I know the true nature of reality and it's a dog shit fucked in my ass cream last night, lengthwise in order to support the Huns invasion of Bulgaria.
c/unexpectedFactorial
Heh, guess Gemini wasn't even worth including
TMBB
The Y-axis is a thing.
It certainly is