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slrpnk.net

Happy to say I'm past the piss-broke stage of life, but I'll never forget how much is sucks. One of the really shitty things about it is all the products marketed toward selling us a 'cheap' meal, and we buy it because you don't question it: it's poverty food, right? Must be among the cheapest options in the store, right?

Then you start pricing stuff out by things like cost-per-gram and realize you're getting ripped off. To answer OPs question, I'd call that dish: predatory, bc it's an up-charged box of ingredients that you can buy separately in probably that same aisle for much cheaper.

For anyone reading this who is stuck in that hell, first off: /hug. Second, the real poverty food MVP is rice. I don't recall the price off the top of my head, and even if I did I'm sure it's inflated since I was a frequent buyer, but look for "fortified short grain" which is usually the least expensive and is 'fortified' with some extra nutrients to get something other than carbs. Buy it in bulk - you can get it in 50lb bags at places like Costco (if you don't have a membership, mooch a ride there off someone who does, they can get you through the door/checkout) or Asian/Middle Eastern grocery stores. Price it out to what you're paying for the amount used in a single meal, and it's like a literal nickel.

Rice makes for a boring meal by itself, but it'll fill you up. Your second best friend is the clearance shelf. Pretty much any meat or veggie can go with rice. You'd be surprised how well other shit work with rice too... I recall having a single slice of shitty supreme pizza in the fridge; not enough for a satisfying meal, but, fuck it, whipped up a serving of rice, chopped up the slice of pizza crust and all, and threw it in when the rice was just about soft enough to eat and kinda stir fried it in. The oils from the cheese and sausage all got soaked up by the rice... end result wasn't amazing by any stretch, but it was away more satisfying than a single slice of pizza or bowl of plain rice, tasted decent, costed pennies.

Pro tip: buy some snack-sized ziplock bags, measure out what you need for a serving, portion it into a ton of individual bags, and keep those in a sealed 5-gallon buckets. There's a type of beetle that lays its eggs in rice, and it may not hatch until after you've bought it. Then they propagate, and there are tiny beetles all over the batch... and losing the better part of a 50lb bag to those fuckers is pretty heart breaking. If you portion it out first, and then it hatches, you lose a single-portion ziplock full. No biggie. Also keep the empty ziplocks and reuse them for the next big bag of rice.

Also get a cheap rice cooker as soon as you can afford it - a pot works fine, but a rice cooker will get you much more consistent results for much less effort.

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slrpnk.net

Add some beans and spices to that rice for an almost nutrient complete meal that can taste pretty damned good.

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lemmy.world

^ Beans FTW.

Dress it up with hot sauce if you can find it.

Getting slightly off the path of “cheap”…

If you have a grocery nearby that sells cheap goods from south of the border, grab some plantains. Wait until they’re good and dark, peel, cut them in half lengthwise and then in about 2” pieces and fry them. Making me hungry just thinking about it. Sofrito for the rice.

One of my favorite cheap meals.

(USD)

Sofrito jar 2.99

25 lb bag of rice 13.50 (~55 cups of rice, 25¢ a cup)

1 lb beans, pinto 1.19, black 1.59 (2 cups/bag, 60¢ cup)

Hot sauce 1.19

Plantains 65¢ each.

Rice and beans, decent serving, 1 cup cooked each makes a good amount, 85¢ total. Assuming some salt is already available to cook the rice with.

So adding a cup of sofrito, a dash of hot sauce, and cooking up a plantain will add a little over $2 to the total, make it $3 for the whole meal.

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myyassreply
lemmy.world

It's crazy that those jars of sofrito got so expensive. I used to buy them for a dollar and change.

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myyassreply
lemmy.world

I noticed it happened a few years ago, I would get the goya one out of convenience. Maybe people caught on at how it's a jar of magical goodness lol. Lucky for me there's a mom pop shop that makes it from scratch.

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startrek.website

I want to chime in and say that while my meal prep won't win any blue ribbons, rice plus TVP is my MVP. It's cheap because it's a diversion of defatted soy flour, which is otherwise used as animal feed (so demand won't drive prices up long term, the price actually goes down if it gets more popular). TVP is 50% protein by weight, and its digestibility is remarkably similar to beef.

I use it in a ~1:2 ratio with rice by dry weight. Actually here's my recipe:


  • 2.5c (460g) white rice, dry
  • 3c (280g) TVP, dry
  • 2 cans of any kind of bean, preferably low sodium
  • 2.5 tsp beef base, again preferably low sodium
  • 2 packets of taco seasoning (you guessed it, preferably low sodium)
  • 1.3L of water total
  1. Start the rice
  2. Rehydrate TVP by mixing 1:1 with boiling water, beef base, and taco seasoning in heatproof bowl. Stir thoroughly and let it sit until the rice is done.
  3. Combine with drained beans
  4. Portion and freeze for up to 90 days.
  5. Reheat from frozen in a microwave for 3min or on auto with a little water.
  6. Mix in 1 tbsp of butter or oil. if you do not do this it will taste like shit, this is the only fat in the entire recipe

Buying in bulk at Winco, the total cost per batch is $6.29 here in the PNW. Divvy it up into 9 portions and that's $0.70/serving.

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Textured vegetable protein, aka textured soy protein, soya chunks, maybe a couple other names. It's basically the part of the soy left over after they extract the oil out of it. It takes on the flavor of whatever you put in it. When it's dry it has a shelf life of a couple years or so. And it's hella cheap, a pound of it is under 4 bucks around where I live.

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gogonanreply
lemmy.world

Sounds like Soylent or people kibble tbh, like kudos for finding the right cheap meal for you but god it seems so sad to have to eat that. I’m not picky but I’d go crazy never eating fresh foods

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Its just a base, I buy whatever produce is cheap and mix it in. Jalapeños and cilantro are a couple of my favorites. Trying to eat just this would probably give you scurvy lmao.

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Pro tip: buy some snack-sized ziplock bags, measure out what you need for a serving, portion it into a ton of individual bags, and keep those in a sealed 5-gallon buckets. There’s a type of beetle that lays its eggs in rice, and it may not hatch until after you’ve bought it. Then they propagate, and there are tiny beetles all over the batch… and losing the better part of a 50lb bag to those fuckers is pretty heart breaking. If you portion it out first, and then it hatches, you lose a single-portion ziplock full. No biggie. Also keep the empty ziplocks and reuse them for the next big bag of rice.

Do this, but also Freeze 'em.

The beetles you're talking about are common in pretty much every grain. Freezing kills the beetles, the larvae, and the eggs. I'd suggest gallon-sized freezer bags rather than snack sized. If you don't need the space for anything else, just store the bags in the freezer. If you do need the space, freeze the bags for a week, then move them to the buckets.

Same trick works for flour, oats, etc. Any grains you bring home should go straight into the freezer for a week before you move them to the pantry.

An additional benefit: Freezers are most efficient when they are kept completely full. The thermal mass and insulation of 50lbs of rice and/or other grains will keep your perishables frozen for days during a power outage.

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Nollijreply
sopuli.xyz

Not to derail your point, but rice can be especially bad for people (myself included) where carbs (esp. white rice) make you hungry. If you're one of those people where Chinese food makes you hungry an hour later, it's usually because your insulin spikes in response to the rice.

For those people, obviously try to avoid white rice (and flour, sugar, and potatoes). Brown rice usually includes the fiber on the outside (which gets stripped away for processed white rice) which at least slows the carb rush.

Fresh or even frozen, unprocessed veggies that you have to cook yourself are still remarkably cheap, even in this economy. A pan of random chopped veggies and some random seasonings from the spice aisle (no blends!) can easily get you a filling and nutritious meal, and still cheaper than a box of hamburger helper.

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Oh, 100% this is unhealthy as fuck. I gained a ton of weight when I was piss broke cuz all I could afford was rice - exceptions were a treat. When you're that tight on cash though, you start to prioritize it over pretty much everything else, including your own body.

Spending any more on food would have required cutting into something critical like rent - I never did have to deal with homelessness, but boy did I toe that line.

In any case, this is desperation diet - hopefully for a very short term leading up to having the means to live a healthier lifestyle.

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The catch for brown rice is it's one of the few whole grains that turn rancid fairly quickly. Don't buy 50 pounds unless you can subdivide it into vacuum sealed bags with oxygen absorbers, lest you end up with 48 pounds of rancid rice.

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lemmy.world

Can you do the thing where you make the starch resistant rice? Cooking rice then cooling it lowers the GI, from what I understand.

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lemmy.world

Can you explain? This sounds like something that could benefit my broke ass.

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I found this: https://www.snaq.ai/blog/cooled-rice-blood-sugar-research

My guess is that cooling the rice causes some of the starches to polymerize into longer chains that are harder for your body to digest, which lowers the glycemic index of the food.

I also prefer very short grained rice, which has slightly higher protein to starch ratio and reheats better. This stuff is often sold as "sushi rice." If you're on a budget, Calrose medium grain is fine. (If you're not on a budget, tamanishiki koshihikari is my favorite bougie short grain rice.)

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Afaik it's literally cook rice then cool it in fridge overnight before you use it. Something about the process makes the starch change and it's better for people with the beetus. I am not a food scientist and idk how it works.

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It certainly looks like it would be better than regular rice. From some quick googling, it acts more like fiber and is better for diabetics. If I had to eat rice, it's probably what I would do.

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it's an up-charged box of ingredients that you can buy separately in probably that same aisle for much cheaper.

Yeah, this product is an awful choice for the budget conscious.

Pasta is like $1.20/lb. There are many different ways to dress up pasta with other ingredients, whether saucy or cheesy or creamy or oily or even relatively dry seasoning. You can add a cheap protein source. You can add vegetables. In many forms, pasta is still a one-pan dish that can be made in about 20 minutes, where you prep ingredients as the water boils. Or you can put in a lot of effort (all-day sauces, hand-pounded pesto, etc.).

My favorite low effort, cheap and nutritionally complete meal is boiling a package of pasta, dumping in a can of beans, dumping in a can of premade chili, and shredding a bunch of cheddar over it. The macros are good, even for athletes, it's cheap, and it's easy.

As you mention, rice is between $1 to $2 per pound, based on quantity and type. There are a ton of options around that, too.

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Note, the wild or brown rice has more nutrients, because the shell was not removed to make the less nutritious sticky rice.

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lemmy.zip

Some of y’all never had Helper and it shows.

“Want to eat at my house? My mom’s making Helper.”

“You mean like Hamburger Helper?”

“Yeah but without the hamburger.”

Being too poor to afford hamburger is not exactly a new condition.

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I don't know if this is actually true or not, because I didn't grow up eating a lot of hamburger helper, but I think it's the fact that they're advertising it for the cheaper meat that's a recession indicator.

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lemmy.world

Hamburger helper is bullshit. They give you some dry noodles and a "spice" pack of dubious powder, you have to provide the beef and milk. That's not helping very much.

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SailorFuzzreply
lemmy.world

for real, and it's not even enough noodles. So you end up adding more noodles too... at that point you're paying for a box with some "spice" in it.

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But by the time you add enough beef and noodles to it, there's not enough spice and it's all bland. So you gotta add extra spice. May as well just cook.

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switcherooreply
lemmy.world

For me, it's just too salty.

Grab some mac n cheese and put some hotdogs in it. If you are wealthy*, you can add ground beef instead and toss in some green chilies and some Italian seasoning. (It's really good. Go ham on the seasoning.)

  • ground beef is freaking expensive nowadays 😩
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wizzorreply
sopuli.xyz

How... Does this help in making a hamburger? I have never had a noodleburger, are they good?

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sh.itjust.works

"hamburger" or "hamburger meat" is what many people in the US call ground beef. Just as in other places they might call it "mince."

The product proposes to help make one pound of hamburger meat fill a family of 4. It's not as nourishing or effective as adding a bunch of vegetables and spices but it's shelf-stable and quickly prepared.

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Yeah it's basically in the same category as spam and other great depression or great depression derived foods. It's more or less filling the role thin soup once filled.

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katereply
lemmy.uhhoh.com

i think the intent is if you have meat for hamburger it helps stretch it into more meals

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It's the equivalent of: "I got rolling papers, any body got any weed?"

True slacker energy.

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It's not for a hamburger. It's basically to make a noodle and ground beef meal that you eat with a fork.

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I think the "helper" might have more of a "helping" meaning, as in a helping of hamburger.

Although idk if a noodle burger would be all that bad with the right kind of bread

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I remember in college they had an "instant" hamburger helper where you just added water and it had dehydrated bits of hamburger in it. It probably wasn't actually hamburger... Probably for the best to add the meat yourself.

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ani.social

with real cheese

Yeah, I don't believe that an just the fact you have to say it makes me suspicious.

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Depends where this is taken.

In Canada, our "cheese powder" is literally cheddar cheese grated extremely fine and dehydrated. So it's literally real cheese, and not some test tube product.

If this was American, I would assume the "made with real cheese" was the cardboard of the packaging since their cheese is fucking garbage.

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The brand is called Real Cheese and does not guarantee detectable cheese levels in their cheddar flavored blocks

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sopuli.xyz

Money aside, beef has a horrible environmental impact. Pork (as found in hot dogs) is way better.

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reddthat.com

Yeah, I think the total land used for cattle equals the entire landmass of north america too.

I love beef, I love hamburgers, but it's pretty clearly unsustainable.

I suspect beef prices are only going to go up and they'll never come down ever again.

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otterpopsreply
sopuli.xyz

that map uses flawed methodology

it counts almost all crop land as feed land

most crops are grown for human food oil fiber or fuel

the parts fed to animals are just secondary co products

feeding residual meal and pulp to livestock avoids waste

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reddthat.com

Okay, so roughly speaking, after removing cropland whose main output is human food, oil, fiber, or fuel, and grazing land that could realistically be converted to such cropland, you're left with 49 Texases of land worldwide used for making beef.

https://www.fao.org/4/ar591e/ar591e.pdf

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without examining the source data, there is no way to verify this. the link at the bottom 404s and no other references are given

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Why is it "pig meat" instead of pork?! That seems suspiciously hot dog specific...

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ayyyreply
sh.itjust.works

Weird that Soy isn’t on the list, unless it’s so low it isn’t even on the same scale?

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Kumareply
lemmy.world

Thanks for the link! I just learned something new, dark chocolate is almost 2x worse than beef! Only heard about the injustices towards the ppl growing cacao beans, now i know one more reason not to buy it...

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fonjireply
sopuli.xyz

You don't usually buy chocolate to get your protein dose though. Per kilo, dark chocolate is half the impact of beef. And a serving of chocolate is not the same mass as a serving of meat.

But... yeah. It's not nothing.

Edit: link to the per-kilogram chart

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this is based on poore-nemecek 2018, which is not very good science

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Both charts are interesting, thank you for adding this one!

Edit: tofu is soy-based and can be added

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lemmy.world

Is this one of those, "if farmers gave their cows kelp tablets once per day to reduce methane farts, it would reduce it by 50%" deals? I find it hard to believe raising cattle produces more GHG emissions than a similar weight pig.

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feddit.org

It is the special kind of metabolism of cows that causes their high emission of methane

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Google says methane stays in the atmosphere for less than 12 years. Treating this as markedly different from CO2 seems disingenuous.

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I heard that ground beef isnt all that bad in the total. Considering people eat tons og steaks etc. ground beef is literally jusg leftovers after all the good stuff.

If you have to eat meat, eat ground beef instead of cuts.

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fedia.io

This is cooking with training wheels and I'm not gonna shit on it.

I hear the comments that you need to add noodles, add more spice... you know that because you started here too. I'm glad this exists to open the door to cooking for yourself, but if you know better, do better.

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ExLisperreply
lemmy.curiana.net

If you need to add meat, noodles and spice then... what is it? Just bunch of preservatives and artificial food dyes so that American bodies can absorb it without going into shock?

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My wife started adding sliced grilled hot dogs to Annie’s Mac n Cheese and it goes pretty hard

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lemmy.world

Give yourself so much hypertension that the inevitable heart attack is so quick you won't need to worry about paying medical bills

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Now you're speaking my language!

Edit: But hot dogs got what bodies crave. It's got Nitrates.

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lemmy.zip

Use Hot Dogs instead of Hamburger in Hamburger fucking Helper?

I think it means we are great again?

Foreign Nations gaze upon our culinary prowess in fear.

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My partner and I can afford some pretty reasonable dinners. But one of our go-to staples is literally a box of Kraft Dinner and sliced hot dogs.

We'll make 3 boxes worth and fridge the leftovers for quick dinners for a couple more days.

Don't be throwing slander at the vast usefulness of the glorious hot dog.

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mrgoosmoosreply
lemmy.ca

tuna, mayo, mustard, onion, celery, salt, tomato

mix any and all in whatever portions please you. you can get great flavour and texture

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Mix in a tin of sardines, anchovies, salmon, and/or any other canned fishy thing for extra seafoodiness.

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lemmy.world

i personally like salt, pepper, dried minced onion, and maybe furikake. Its a great struggle meal.

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Add some gochujang? Add some hot sauce? Canned tuna can be very good if you know what to do.

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PhoenixDogreply
lemmy.world

I can afford steak and chicken every night, and I still love me some Helper.

Don't yuk someone else's yum. Enjoy your kale or whatever dog shit you enjoy.

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lemmy.zip

I think this was designed with poverty in mind in the first place

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protistreply
retrofed.com

I genuinely think these were designed and marketed as time savers. My family never had any issues affording food, and my mother wouldn't hesitate to make something like this for us. She's pretty susceptible to commercials, also...

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I agree. These are just SO EASY to make a decent amount of food with minimum effort in very little time. Poverty? Maybe. Absolutely exhausted parents with no time nor energy to cook a more traditional wholesome meal? Absolutely. BOOM, family fed. Time to go to bed.

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Yes, when it launched in 1970 beef prices were skyrocketing and the economy was weaker. It was intended to “help” stretch a pound of ground beef to feed a family of five, and only take a single pan to cook (previous meals of this type require browning the beef in one pan and cooking the noodles in another)

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lemmy.world

We did this all the time when I was a kid, my dad would make macaroni and cheese and toss in some hot dogs. It was delicious then and its delicious now.

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lemmy.zip

Hell I still do it, ESPECIALLY when the kid isn't around. Finally, I get the whole pot!

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adarzareply
lemmy.ca

who knew those boxes were actually a single serving?

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Dude I can afford steak and chickens but nothing slays as much as beans and weenies.

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Store brand Mac and Cheese was also slotted in pretty often too

Both with the cheapest hotdogs money could buy

Those cheap hot dogs got a special place in my heart to this day

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my dad LOVED this stuff... rest of the family would fend for themselves. I'd rather have SOS or cereal tbh

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sh.itjust.works

I mean pasta with meat in it isn't that weird. Other than macaroni the only other thing in the box is the powder you make the sauce with. Is that the insane part?

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lemmy.zip

A waste of money.

Box of elbow macaroni, 1/4 block of velvita and a single hot dog is WAY less than that box

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hansoloreply
lemmy.today

Hey, you selling loose dawgs over there? Or where you gettin' 'em from 1 at a time?

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If there's a need, i'll start a side hustle.

At the moment, I'm perfectly happy to freeze the other 7

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This shit taste good. I once microwaved and ate this on a plate. My ex looked at me and said that I eat puke like dog. I didn't flinch I was happy eating that like a dog eating puke indeed

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sh.itjust.works

Wait, so it doesn't come with ground beef? Is it just mac n cheese then?

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PhoenixDogreply
lemmy.world

Hamburger Helper has always just been the noodles and sauce packs.

It's Hamburger HELPER, not Hamburger Offerer.

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Ironrodreply
sh.itjust.works

But what does it help with? It sounds like you need to provide everything hamburger-y about it

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The idea is you have the hamburger already, and you get this to help it be more stuff.

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It helps with stretching your budget. You can use less meat to feed your family than if you say made burgers.

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lemmy.world

its a relatively inexpensive way to make a easy, low effort, very low stress meal. No prepping, no making a sauce from scratch, no hoping you have the right seasoning, oh wait, I dont, now I've got to run to the store, oh but I cant because I cant leave someone home alone so fuck it I guess I'll use some other seasoning and hope it doesnt come out fucking awful, and yep it doesnt taste great but fuck it, todays been miserable enough and if you don't fucking like it don't fucking eat it because i've dealt with enough of your bullshit today I sure as fuck aint making a second meal that we absolutely cant afford.

bitching about it not having burger in it, is like bitching about having to provide your own milk in mac n cheese, or about your own eggs and oil in a box cake mix.

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Who's bitching? Not everyone is American and that stuff doesn't exist here, it might be obvious to you because you've seen it all your life but to me it's not. It's called hamburger helper, I would have expected hamburger to have something to do with it

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PhoenixDogreply
lemmy.world

"This recipe for Sausage and Pepper Penne says I need Sausage! But I don't have sausage! This recipe is stupid."

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lemmy.world

Not quiet, more like "This penne has a recipe on the back for sausage and pepper penne, why arent there sausage and peppers in the box?!"

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That's where I keep mine. Right next to the ground beef.

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bitchkatreply
lemmy.world

It comes in a box on the shelf. That would make done interesting hamburger.

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You don't like your raw meat sitting at room temperature for months on end?

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Weiner Mac.

Because HH is really just Mac n Cheese and you add beef to make Beef Mac or go a step further and make Chili Mac.

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feddit.uk

We don't have this product in my country so I call this cheap looking food for people who can't cook.

But money is tight all around, so if this is all you can afford, I hope things get better for you soon..

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The thing is that this sort of thing isn't even cheap at all if you actually factor in nutrition and amount of food it provides.

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Pain.

The Hamburger Helper brand sucks. Buy the store brand version. I personally enjoy the "Lasgana Skillet Meal". Has more flavor than HH, and a bit cheaper too.

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I call that "American"

I'll be honest, I'm not sure I can classify it as food

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How do you say your old without saying you are old. Complaining about hamburger helper.

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Caution! Yellow fat emulsion was prepared on machines that can contain traces of actual cheese!

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Depending on your definition of "real," they're probably correct. It was real cheese, before it was dehydrated, powdered, and mixed with an emulsifier (probably sodium citrate) so it would reconstitute itself into a cheese sauce. I've become a little more sympathetic to this sort of thing since I bought of pouch a sodium citrate off the interwebs and started emulsifying things I didn't think could be emulsified, like an entire wheel of brie.

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I mean, I can't digest beef, so chicken and pork hotdogs would be an alternative. Dunno how it'd taste tho lmao

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its called the FDA has failed the consumer. No faith that beef supplies are safe.

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The blood pressure roller coaster. It climbs and climbs and then plummets when you die.

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I call it good eatin'. Splurge on the all-beef weenies and you're practically down at the Ruth's Chris.

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lemmy.zip

Mac n cheese with hot dogs. What’s the big deal?

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devedesetreply
lemmy.zip

The US is currently run by the world's most notorious pedophile whose actions directly made beef more expensive to the point that the Hamburger Helper brand is now basically becoming the Hot Dog Helper brand

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Good 'ol Mac n Weenies. Wouldn't buy it prepackaged like this though, use a big bag of noodles and make a cheese or white sauce.

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these were great, when the pound of ground beef or chuck was less than a buck. but at 6+ bucks? i'd be making burgers, or at least a meatloaf, not this. we don't waste our venison on this stuff, either.

but this box in particular is called 'desperation', on the part of general mills to try halt what must be a massive sales slump due to the fucked-up beef markets.

the 'venue appropriate' response, however, is: fluffer

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