The United States is a lot more racist than I ever actually imagined
I used to believe racism in the United States was overstated.
Sure, it existed. But it's not something widespread. Common. The claim americans are racists is ridiculous.
Well...I was wrong.
"Zohran Mamdani is a terrorist"
"Mamdani supports ISIS and HAMAS"
"New York City faces sharia law"
"Mamdani wants to MURDER jews"
The amount of shit published about this guy is absolutely insane.
He recently attended the 9/11 memorial ceremony.
At some point, he greeted congresswoman Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and smiled for 5 seconds.
Immediatly, politicians went wild
Senator Ted Cruz:
Congresswoman Mary Miller :
Speaker Mike Johnson:
Here is the video. You can clearly see that he was stoic. He hugged her. Then he immediatly went back to being stoic.
Dude smiled 5 SECONDS in a 5 hour ceremony and they accuse him of celebrating 9/11
At the same ceremony, JD Vance and Howard Lutnick laughed and joked.
No one cares. They are white.
The US is more racist than I ever imagined.
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Not to say it’s not 100% true that America has a lot of racism, but also realize comment sections are flooded with bots and paid shills making it look way worse.
Why don't you come to the South instead of thinking you're the only real person online? People fucking suck. That's the reason we're online.
America isn't the way it is because of Trump.
Trump is the way he is because of America.
It's more like "Trump didn't shit on the floor, he just raised the carpet the turds were already there." IMO
I mean, I agree there were turds in the carpet already, but Trump absolutely did shit on the floor, whether figuratively or otherwise....
I dont think this is true. The people in power are racist assholes and they own all the media now. So the average american is innnundated with lies. If all you hear is one side of the argument then you will believe that side. That is human psychology. The people in power know that which is why they use this tactic and why it is so powerful.
Fucking finally. Yes!
Be at funeral. See someone who you were not sure if they were coming. Ahh glad you could make it! Smiles when greeting them
Clearly happy the person died
These are rich people fomenting a race war to avoid the much needed class war. Don’t fall for it.
Social media is a caricature. It doesn’t represent reality, don’t buy any of it.
But the racism is real, deep, and more subtle but scary. It’s shit said behind closed doors in my family, and that has left terrible imprints on generations.
Ted Cruz is the Senator for the State of Texas. This isn't a fringe county clerk in Mississippi.
He is one of the 120 most powerful people in the US. Senators have more power than representatives. The only people more powerful than a Senator are the President, Senate Majority Leader and Supreme Court.
What he says absolutely matters.
“I like Ted Cruz more than most of my other colleagues like Ted Cruz. And I hate Ted Cruz.”
It matters, but it doesn’t matter if it’s crazy because it’s Twitter.
Cruz is looking to insert himself into drama, which will get him attention, which is the only thing that matters on Twitter. This is a strategic tweet; I wouldn’t be surprised if one of his campaigners formulated and posted it on purpose. TBH, I’d do something like that if I worked for him.
In other words… It’s a fake. It’s all fake.
He loves being white.
There are 100 senators.
Yes he said one of 120 most powerful people in us including supreme court and president.
There are 9 SCOTUS justices. That assertion still does not pan out.
Not to simplify too much, but the "they're eating the cats, they're eating the dogs" guy won a national election.
That was really the moment that solidified for me that a significant portion of the people of this country are irredeemable.
Racism is the cornerstone of Republican power. its why they are so hostile to anything that threatens racism, like education, and empathy, and moral values.
As President Lyndon Johnson once said.. "If you can convince the lowest white man he's better than the best colored man, he won't notice you're picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he'll empty his pockets for you."
Let's not forget that non-white period can be incredibly racist, too. Asian cultures can be very racist as well, even against different Asian cultures, but especially against black, south Asian, middle eastern, central Asian (collectively, brown) folks. Asians often see themselves as"one of the good ones" workout realizating they're in line after the black and brown people.
Am Asian. See and hear he racism from this side will the time.
I mean — immigrants and people of color, especially balck women, have been shouting at us for generations that we are a racist country.
We started as a racist country, we inspired other countries to be racist (al la Jim Crow inspiring Hitler).
We’ve ALWAYS been this racist, it was just that for a little while people were a bit more quiet about it.
I just think white people are really good at pretending bad things aren’t happening all around them, just as long as it’s not to them.
alot of cinema has help whites being white washed so they are never seen as done anything bad. they dont like be confronted about racism, or even talk about it.
also there are unresolved greviences between POCs
Yeah. Thought we were kinda winning the war against homophobia, racism, and all that.
Before trump.
But then trump showed up, and he said he was going to drain the swamp. He accomplished that feat. Every horrible human being living in the slime at the bottom of the swamp took a big breath of air, rose up into the daylight, and make their presence loudly known.
I had no idea the seething mass of willful ignorance, hatred, selfishness, and racism existed as deeply as it did here. It was like people all took their masks off and said “Here I am, and I hate every good thing you stand for.”
Yeah... Trump sparked soo many debates in my private Catholic high school. Most were for Trump because thats how we were raised. Now seeing the absolute shit show he's orchestrated I think we need to plan a pre-funeral type of activity so we can get to the funeral faster
White culture in the US is very sensitive to overt racism. they really detest it. but if you let them, with a nice little cloth to hide behind, they will be the most grossly racist people you've ever interacted with. every news story about ICE harming brown children warms their hearts, as long as they don't have to see it or do it, or be told about it in a public place, that would be embarrassing.
Edit: dear white culture enthusiasts, feel free to keep telling on yourself, I'm here for it.
This is so true. I grew up in the deep south and everyone in my family was racist save for one uncle. All the rest, except for my dad believed they weren't racist. My dad was the most honest of the bunch. He was deeply racist and he would talk openly about it with us. We argued for years, but it never got loud.
But the weird thing is my dad could also recognize that racism was used by the Republicans to get people to vote against their own financial interests. And one really weird thing is when my dad died, he had several black and Latino friends who were devastated by his passing. They never knew he was racist. He didn't have a problem being friends with other races he just genuinely bought into white supremacy, but without all the hate. He was a weird guy.
My other family members, however, will insist they aren't racist while simultaneously saying that most Muslims are terrorists, Hispanics are lazy and Blacks are dumb. They vote against "socialist" programs they like because "those minorities and illegals will just use it all up and make us go bankrupt."
I live as close to Canada as I can and wish I realized when I was younger that I should emigrate. Now I'm too old.
Occasionally I will go south for business or to visit and it breaks my heart every time. The racism is so deeply ingrained that most people down there don't see it, but once you do see it, you can't unsee it.
That's also been my experience. Most racists that I am aware of think that being a racist means that you are a "bad person" and since they are not "bad people" they can't possibly be racist.
I would argue that there are many, many people who are racist to their very core, but they're not evil or bad people. You don't have to hate to be a racist. You don't have to murder people or burn crosses on their front yard or hang out with rednecks in white bed sheets to be a racist.
You can have friends of other colors and invite them over for dinner and go to games with them and treat them exactly like you treat every single other person around you and still be racist. You can sleep with people of other colors, spawn children with them, and raise those children in a happy family, and still be racist.
Racism is not an action. It is a belief.
If you believe that people of other colors are different from you in anything other than melanin content and possibly a handful of relatively minor bone structures, then you have at least some racism in you.
But explaining that to your family over Thanksgiving dinner is incredibly difficult and at best unproductive.
I'd say it's a spectrum of belief and behavior or actions. For example, people can do racist things without realizing it.
It has been my experience that the people who are less honest about their racism tend to be the worst.
Being in the south already fucks with your head. I'm convinced that a lot of the hyper religiosity in the white south is overcompensation for the sin of slavery. You can see it in a lot of the laws they make trying to downplay slavery because it hurts the feelings of white kids (and makes white parents uncomfortable). They know it was fucked up but rather than fix the systemic inequities that exist as a holdover of those days, they'd rather keep the inequities, tell themselves racism is long gone(except for those democrats) and pat themselves on the back.
I agree. Like, I'm Native American. Brown skin, black hair, the whole works.
I myself realized that I was being racist to black people. I would start talking in AAVE when I met them, because I had the preconceived notion that that was a way for me to ingratiate myself into the in-crowd.
I never used the N-word, I do want to be clear about that, but I did not act like myself around the black people that I was familiar with.
The funny thing is, when I realized I was doing that, I stopped doing it, and then, I actually developed real friendships with black people instead of just acting friendly with them.
People can tell when you're being authentic. My fundamental core is not racist (at least as far as I am aware), but I practiced racism out of self-ignorance.
I'm sure there are other areas where I carry racism, and I'm working on it when it presents itself.
i think it has to do with alot of media/propaganda, that shows AA "as slovenly, welfare queens, poor and prone to crime and violence" and of course intentional legislation to make them that way.
At the risk of being inadvertently racist myself, I'd like to share some thoughts about Native Americans. Please forgive me if I cross the line or come off as offensive. I'm just trying to understand. I'll probably fuck this up.
There's still a hell of a lot of dysfunction among native peoples, most of which stems from historic oppression, genocide, etc. However it seems to me that tribal leadership has not helped your people out nearly as much as it could and often seems predatory itself. Humans being what we are it seems to me that cashing in on casinos has helped a few at the top rather than everyone else. I am I off base here?
Another thought, and this doesn't apply to Native Americans only, is that there is a great focus on "traditional" knowledge, rituals, stories etc... Now I'm an atheist and tend to be pretty skeptical about all religion(and to a lesser degree culture) so from my vantage point(and coming from a place of ignorance about Native American life) a lot of this focus seems to work to hold your people back. I get the sense that if instead of focusing on the past, which could very well be a flawed and inaccurate understanding of the past, you focused on education and made that the pride of your people, you'd be able to stand taller and take less shit from the dominant culture. I'm thinking of something like, "Oh yeah most Natives are doctors", or "Native Americans are very serious about science".
One culture I am familiar with is black culture in America and I feel similarly about the assumption that all black people go to church and are religious. I understand that embracing Jesus was necessary during slavery but at some point don't people realize they had adopted a slave religion designed to keep them from agitating about their circumstance?
I suppose most people don't really think about these things much and just live their lives unexamined, which is sad because it just helps those who prey on us without us realizing it.
This is actually common across post colonial societies. The book Why Nations Fail by Nobel Laureate Daron Acemoglu explains it well. Colonial powers left behind extractive institutions in non white polities whereas inclusive institutions were built wherever they stayed. It is very difficult to counter institutional momentum so the new elites often perpetuate the cycle of extraction started by settler-colonialism. Such extractive institutions promote corruption. That's not even taking into account neocolonial activities by prior beneficiaries of colonialism.
An example of an extractive insitutional practice on indigineous reserves is federal land trusteeship and the lack of full property rights. This means that residents cannot use their real estate as collateral to secure commercial bank loans or mortgages. Economists refer to this landlocked wealth as "dead capital" because it cannot be leveraged to start businesses, build credit, or generate local economic growth.
I question a causal relationship between religion and prosperity or that religion is a hindrance to agitation. MLK Jr and Gandhi were deeply religious and are amongst some of the most notable agitators of the 20th century. Ultimately what it comes down to is oppurtunity and we continue to live in a world where being born brown or black means you almost certainly, on average, have less.
Religion can be used in many ways, you point out another use for it. In fact, it is often because of the safe spaces afforded to religion that allow such agitation to occur.
I should point out that MLK jr. strongly felt that non violent protest alone wasn't going to cut it. He valued Malcom X's rejection of non violence as a necessary counterpoint to his movement. From what I understand he felt it was necessary for white America to see that things could go horribly, violently wrong, but he wanted to lead with peaceful protest and didn't want to be associated with the violent alternative that could dominate if things didn't change in a positive way. Basically he was giving white America a choice, "We can make change in a civilized, respectful manner, or we can have chaos and violence".
One major lesson from both of these men and movements that I wish the protestors of today would recognize is that often protest itself is not going to cut it. You have to get a televised beat down from the cops in order to sway the masses. Public unnecessary suffering changes minds pretty quickly. When you see well dressed people marching in a non threatening manner insisting on reasonable change get attacked violently by the authorities, most people will recognize that injustice and react. This happened with the beginning of the Arab spring when that man set himself on fire in protest. Oppressors always want to sanitize and hide their most extreme violence against the oppressed.
As far as Native American politics go, I feel like applying Western ideology to Native Americans is very much the literal definition of trying to fit a square peg into a round hole.
All of the other things I've said about race aside, there very much is a strong cultural portion of each individual person's makeup, and Western society has never understood the Native American.
As a whole, taken over the full course of time, Western society has always either infantilized, bastardized, or romanticized the Native American existence, the psyche, the soul.
And so when you see Native American societies failing to thrive in Western society, it is almost always a consequence of that failure rather than some sort of flaw with Native society.
Capitalism is not a cure-all. It does not fit everyone.
And when it encounters a people it does not fit with, it forces itself to either destroy them or conform them.
we had a native american Professor at a university i used to go to, he is still extremely bitter towards US-people, especially the govt that did not keep the promised made to his people.
Oh yeah, I'm with you on the critique of capitalism.
But I often wonder how much native culture is new, pretending(or wrongly believing) to be old. I have found that some cultures believe they have very old traditional practices and foods, which turn out to have modern origins. I think a lot of cultures pigeonhole themselves into this mindset of "we've always done it this way, therefor it's sacred and inviolable".
An example is fry bread. Fry bread is often treated as a wonderful part of native heritage, not only in the US but across the world. But in almost every case, it is a food brought about by colonialism.
I am reminded of an experience I had as a small child watching a Native American dance with all the feathers and such and at first I was fascinated but as I started thinking about it I felt sad because it looked to me that these people were dancing for the whites. And it all could have been bullshit made up 300 years ago to sooth the invaders. A common theme I see among colonized people is using religious belief as a way to shield oneself from further incursions. Because that's one thing most people will respect and back off from. "Oh you have deeply held religious rituals about X, well we should probably relax a little bit".
All cultures change and grow, I strongly believe that insisting a given culture has been unchanged for millennia is a foolish proposition, especially if there is no written record. But even with one. It's like saying species don't evolve over time because you haven't seen any changes in your lifetime or your grandparents lifetime. It is a common human mistake to make.
Thank you for being so generous with your time and thoughts.
racism is also an action and a belief. you do acts of racisms, like stereotypes of pOCs in media, that is an act of racism, hate crimes, racist media messaging.
I prefer to separate the racism from the action, but I will agree that racism is a belief structure that predicates an action.
If you have racism in you, and you treat people of other races exactly the same as other people, each time you do it, it is a voluntary choice to override your intrinsic racism rather than an abnegation of your racism itself.
If you have racism and you choose to capitalize on that racism and treat people of other races differently than you would treat people of the same race, then that racism is a voluntary choice to act in a different way than you normally would.
Just like with my choice to speak in AAVE to black people, I was doing that out of racism.
And since I have made the realization that it was a racist thing that I was doing, I have managed to stop doing it completely to the point where I don't even think about doing it, so in that tiny one little section of whatever racisms I may be carrying, I have managed to eliminate the racism by identifying it and changing myself rather than choosing to act in a new way specifically for specific people.
It is, to me, my own personal validation of the phrase, "the first step to fixing a problem is admitting that you have a problem".
he probably had some mental gymnasitcs going, "i can be friends with POCs, but im white so im better than they are, but i cant tell them because i will become a social outcast even amongst my non-racist white friends/family."
He was brought up to be friendly and kind to everyone. His parents were rich; comfortable social interactions with everyone, even the help, was considered a skill everyone was required to master.
Idk Canada is pretty damn racist too. Just replace Hispanic and black people with Indian people instead.
Posts like these are just strawmen, and I know nobody here is going to agree, but it's lazy and performative and who cares. Go protest, vote, and get more active than, oh look I found racism in America.
You never know if someone is just coming to awareness of these issues or not. I'd rather assume they're young and learning and feel stirred to share what they've just realized.
Fair point. It's difficult to wake up in America, I'll say. So many people just want you to take their objective viewport that makes sense and makes everyone else wrong. We don't want to be right, we just want to feel right. The other comments to OP is just a circle jerk, which is still antithetical to how we should be. Just seems like low level bait, not someone coming to a great personal discovery.
you wouldnt know if you were white, living in a white area and never encountered a poc.
I grew up not thinking about racial biases because I was white and in a 99.9% white area. There were no people of color in my school, so race never came up. My classmates had queer people to bully.
Then I went several states away for college and started noticing things. Even my mom, who would swear she wasn't racist, thinks it's fair that black men are incarcerated for far longer that white folks for comparable crimes.
Tangent: our area was so overwhelmingly white my little brother was confused when he first saw a black man in line at the grocery store. He asked my mom "what's wrong with his skin?" My mom told the man "I'm sorry, he doesn't get out much," before explaining to my brother that people come in all sorts of colors. (not sure how old he was, but he was at least kindergarten-age.)
Wait until you visit countries where overt racism is the norm.
overt, but won't spend decades fighting to make laws to stop the people that built the country from voting. strange dichotomy.
Oh? Many have very strict criteria for citizenship including limiting it to genetic decendents. Or licenses to work at all. Which doesnt mean they dont use plenty of illegal labor.
but usa is the most right wing western country(typified by our politics is mostly conservative so to speak), Middle east, ASIA, arnt western by any means they have thier own thing going on, and its a little more complicated, because it tends to be insular for each country, as they speak differently languages have different cultures.
western countries tend to be homogenized.
White people in America aren’t a monolith. Reneé Goode and Alex Pretti were white
Just to address your actual comment, you're accusing me of treating white people as a monolith, but unfortunately if you read my comment, I didn't. I said ''white culture in the US''. This tells me two things, you're really upset someone might do something you've heard of being racist to white people, and you aren't educated enough to know about how synonyms aren't definitions, particularly when people are discussing cultural constructs like white identity in the US. white people aren't a monolith? correct, that's why I said white culture in the US, which is a thing outside of white people. White culture doesn't mean 'all white people in total' clearly many people the government is willing to consider white, don't care about white identity or superiority.
Your original comment is confusing then. I agree that whiteness is made up and meaningless aside from the power of perception and existing power structures. Your personification of white culture, mainly saying brown people suffering warms “their” hearts, is what hung me up.
Dude, I've had white people tell me in happy tones how much they yearn to go back to lynching. It's not coming from no where and nothing. this culture that existed before of literally trying to genocide anyone not white enough isn't suddenly gone, people are destroy civil rights for non whites right now. that culture still exists
I never said otherwise. I explained the source of my confusion, at this point all I will say is we largely agree with one another.
i dont think they were doing white specifically, but USA as a whole is pretty racist. very right wing western country compared to other western countries. the most conservative governments too. it just happens that white people severely benefitted from being white and racist, and slavery, which they still do now.
and even non-racist whites benefitted socioeconomically from having white privilege.
did someone pass a law that white people aren't allowed to use public spaces or services?
What?
are there laws in place to stop while people from getting business and home loans?
Non sequitur and red herring
just making you uncomfortable, I know you guys hate that, but you gotta get it when you can. enjoy the discomfort and keep fighting that good white fight for everyone to shut up about racism and never talk about it so you can stay comfortable not thinking about it.
I never said that I hated people fighting against racism or that it makes me uncomfortable lol.
But fallacies should never be done and should never be tolerated, because they'll mislead and are the very base of misinformation, disinformation and plainly crafted narratives.
I feel like this is a non sequitor, but no. I know the history of and do not deny redlining, Jim Crow, etc happened. That still doesn’t preclude the fact that plenty of white people are pissed about this Nazi ICE bullshit.
those aren't white culture people, those are white people, there's a difference. those are the good ones.
i noticed the "non-racist" parts of the us are racist under a mask, they dont like "confronting or talking about it". even for lgbtq+ there is a racial hierarchy, its whites on top and they are often seen media of lgbtq+.
I refuse to believe that they are capable of shame
I felt this way seeing how they treated Obama during his tenure. There was so much bullshit mudslinging, and at one point I said to myself: oh, it's simple racism.
Funny, because my biggest complaint with him was that he didn't address some of the worst abuses of the Bush years.
Dijon Mustard!? A tan suit!? C'mon those are clearly worse than the checks notes dismanteling of democracy that... oh... oh wow there's so much more in these notes... wait a minute, rape? What does Jeffrey Ep... a war with Iran? And he... ALL US allies? Canada?!
Let's all take a moment to remember that a lot of racist online accounts were unmasked as bots from Russia and other foreign countries.
Not saying that bigotry doesn't exist IRL in the US (as an American myself I can confirm it absolutely does), but don't judge a country by what its "citizens" are saying online.
To be fair none of the racist fucks i have known ever posted racist shit on the internet, and didn't say anything racist in public, but behind closed doors in a safe suburban home they would tell you what they thought. These are the people who say "it's not polite to discuss politics" if they think you disagree with them, and they all vote, they want the far right world they just know it hurts people and they don't want to get yelled at.
This is very true, BUT also consider that they're enabling and rallying the actual racists here to join together and fight for racism.
The person who posted this joined 23 hours ago.
This could not be a more obvious psyop that all of you are falling for.
Falling for? They're not wrong. I wasn't countering them, just adding flavor.
Are you saying the PsyOP that Russian and Chinese trolls aren't trying to amplify discontent?
The PsyOp is convincing people of two things: 1) that every person who voted for Trump did it because they're racist (as opposed to greedy, which is differently bad) and 2) that the majority of Americans are racist.
Enabling racists is bad, I'm actually not arguing against that. Racists may represent the U.S. right now, that does not mean that most Americans are racist.
The ven diagram of Trumpers and Racists isn't a circle, but from 15 ft away it is.
It's like the people who claim to be against genocide but support the Israeli government and claim it was self-defense.
If you don't consider yourself a racist, and you hire a racist POS into office who immediately attacks anything even remotely non-white, (for a second time), you're a racist too. The financials don't read into it.
The majority of Americans might well be a little racist. Now we're not talking about hanging people from a tree racist, but they're cheering DEI being dismantled, against equity rights and are often noted as saying "those people"
You're confusing racist people and racist systems that people live in.
Racist people piss themselves and we all have to smell it. Racist systems are pools where the water is deliberately 20% piss and we all have to live in it.
You choose not to physically remove the people pissing in the pool. Sounds like a “you” problem.
russian bots came on the scene suddenly on the reddit around 2016, right after trump won his 1st stolen election. i was calling out how news article are associated with russia quite alot, one of the first significant things happen in 2018, banning were becoming increasingly common of misconstrued critcisim of the conservatives. now every other large sub had become hypersensitive over the talk of potential racism in any form. Putin figured out early on they can use this as a distraction, and it worked.
The right is trying to fabricate an Islamo-Bolshevik conspiracy just as they invented a Judeo-Bolshevik conspiracy a century ago.
My ex-wife's grandparents lived just outside Chicago. Her grandfather used to hang out at the local mall, because he wanted to practice his Spanish by talking to random Latino families that passed by. He was so casually racist, that he would occasionally have someone threaten to kick the shit of him over something he said...and he had absolutley no idea why they were even mad at him. And I'm not kidding, he was probably the sweetest old man you're ever going to meet...would give anyone the shirt off his back, and genuinely didn't mean any of it in a negative way. He was just so saturated in white privilege, that had no idea that most of the things he said were completely inappropriate.
As a Canadian, I always marveled at the idea that he was "one of the nice ones". That if you put him on one end of the racist spectrum, there was an entire range of people out there, that were progressively worse than him. And in US culture...this was just "normal" behavior.
There is certainly a difference between oblivious accidental racism and intentional hatred based racism. Neither are good, but one is certainly a bigger problem.
I could argue that it’s actually the oblivious accidental racism that is the bigger problem because that is what reinforces structural and system racism. The blatant rager is more visible and obviously dangerous, so can be countered or avoided fairly easily.
Maybe we have different ideas of the oblivious racist. They should have their rights taken away kinda people I would group in with the hateful ones.
I think we agree on who we're talking about, but I'm just talking about scale. The hateful ones are an immediate threat to the people around them, but the oblivious ones are a far larger number of people and thus drive societal forces that cause statistical problems that cumulatively do more damage than one-off murders and such.
so i would have said that the degree of racism was exaggerated like 10 years ago, but as it turns out, there was more shame involved with being racist but when trump declared he’s bringing open racism back, they all fell out of the wood work like they could finally breath after decades, and they are going to fucking tell you about it.
Racists and Republicans never had any shame. It simply wasn't accepted in society, so they hid it. Now, they can make the most disgusting jokes and discriminate wherever they can. As long as they find the right employer and friends they're golden.
We still have sundown towns and cops still pull people over for DWB. Also, the Supreme Court ruled this year that ICE is allowed to uses their racism as justification to stop someone and detain them.
Imagine your job security depends on tweeting about the mayor smiling at an event to inflame racist natonalists. The political leadership of the US spends more time on bullshit like this than governing, but the fact that it's effective is the real sad part.
he was attacked by the old guard DNC and the gop at once, using the same tactic. hes too likable to be hated. even the "racist/islamaphobic" comments fall short. i think mamdami has been careful as far as legislation goes.
They can say whatever they want as long as he's the only politician delivering material prosperity to working people. The price of rent and groceries will always be more important than sharia law or whatever nonsense the neoliberals come up with.
This is the world view you get when you consume your current events via ragebait extremism algorithms. I've never met a single person that has shared these views.
You are very lucky, then.
Do you live in a city? There are plenty of racist numbnuts in the country and many of them will just assume you agree with them if you're white
You've never met a racist? So plausible
In my experience, Americans are just full of hate. Just point to someone to hate, give a vague justification, and here you are
When i was little, my whole knowledge about america was movies. And i found it soo cool that they had black, asian and white people, but they are all americans. They love their country all equally and they are all friends. Oh boy.
Conservatism is a bigotry-based ideology. All conservatives believe in a made-up social hierarchy in which they are at the top, with only conservative billionaires above them. This is the mechanism by which all conservatives are bigots.
Conservatives are unable to see any problem with this imaginary hierarchy because conservatives are biologically unable to experience empathy for others. This is why overt racism, sexism and other forms of bigotry come so easily to them.
Conservatism is the very definition of evil. A conservative cannot become normal. They cannot change and become non-evil. Once you understand how truly, deeply evil conservatives are, it becomes immoral to keep any relationship with a conservative. Disown them.
OK, support your rant with facts or delete this. Seriously, biological essentialism, "these people are inherently bad", that's essentially what racists will say. What the hell.
Every word of it is plainly obvious to non-conservatives. Conservatives claiming to experience empathy simply do not fool people who can actually experience empathy.
Many conservatives will gleefully admit publicly, sometimes on national broadcasts, that they believe empathy is fake, and people claiming to experience it are lying.
Further, it is simply not possible to experience empathy and hold conservative views simultaneously. Conservative positions on just about every topic are completely incompatible with empathy. Any person who can feel empathy will be disgusted by conservative viewpoints and behaviors. And that's the biggest tell.
But, the obvious inability to experience empathy is not what makes them evil. What makes conservatives evil is choosing to harm others and delighting in the suffering of the vulnerable. That's what makes conservatives evil.
These people are inherently bad.
People who allow them to feel safe in public aren’t much better.
It is tribalism. If every person was of white, northern European descent they would still find some angle to split it into "us vs them".
Am European, can confirm. It's then about gypsies and literally anything that differentiates the cultures (Like Jews in the time of/before WW2)
(Tho that's mostly overshadowed by the insane islamophobia everywhere nowadays)
Works amongst us South East Asians too. We generally have a shade of "brown" for skin color. Never stopped us from killing each other.
i mean gipsies live in vans, and hold no jobs, how they are earning money? By being a parasite on the rest of the society. prove me wrong
Well most employers want someone with a permanent residence, good luck with that when you don't have money in the first place.
Also, plenty of Roma work at my place of employment, so evidently your statement isnt absolute. Not that you'd back up your claim properly, you only wanna spew racist shit, maybe it gets you off.
If they work, i have zero issues. Plenty of humanitarian association here in France allow to register an address for homeless, so this is not a problem
You really suck
just sharing my logic, feel free to disagree
Sharing your hate and bigotry
Go fuck yourself
Absolutely.
But it's a bit more than that too, because it doesn't just have to be race. It's just differences, and race, religion, gender, regionality, politics and more all play a part in it.
It gets a little confusing for folks because most people (rightfully) aghast at the situation latch onto the issue most close to them as the primary one, but when dealing with bigots, it's usually more of a grab bag.
For example, did people not vote for Kamala because she was black, a woman, or a Democrat? From data it's likely most people's order of disgust went Democrat - > Black - > Woman, but that's definitely not all of them.
For Mamdani, for most people who hate him, it would appear to me that it's because he's Muslim. The fact he's brown too is just icing to them.
As a counter, I’ve never seen anywhere more racist in my life than Spain. And from what I’ve heard of the rest of Europe, they’re pretty damn racist as well.
They do have a lot of conservatives, unfortunately. Wherever conservatism is permitted to fester, bigotry will also fester.
Europe is super racist but they convince themselves that they aren't because they refuse to talk about it.
I think the US is more institutionally racist but less socially racist (depending heavily on where you are) but it's because have more extremes here. Our antiracist movement encourages talking openly about racism instead of pretending it doesn't exist.
Italy, UK, Germany, Sweden, Denmark etal
Huh, you must not have traveled very much then
Bro, if you really believe Europe isn’t insanely racist, I’ve got some property in the desert that is a sure fire gold mine.
Of course it is, I'm just saying it's far from the worst
Ted Cruz would have taken a vacation if 9-11 had happened to Texas, he is a sniveling coward of a man.
that's why he's the best person to represent Texas in the Senate, It's why they keep voting for him
A lot of this is racism of convenience. Many people have no particular deep seated resentment of his racial heritage, but he's from the wrong side of the culture war, so they are willing to adopt the resentment of others. It's still racism, and it's even more disingenuous and unprincipled. They live in a world build of denial and lies, and everything can be bent and warped until it fits their per-conceived views passed down to them.
I don’t know what to say: I can’t believe it either. Granted this is from a white male perspective and I realize I’ll never even notice most of it, but wtf?
I used to believe conservatives were just people with different ideas how to make things work better for all of us, but wtf? How did this happen?
conservatives were always racist, they pretended not to be in the past. some just learn how to not fully express it, because thier livelyhoods, jobs or family relationships depend on it. now that trump has been giving the ok to say what you want, they have shown thier true colors. a little manosphere media helps too.
The easiest segment of the population to manipulate is racist and so politicians and the media weaponize it to get what they want.
The scary thing is I think Americans are less racist than Europeans and Asians, Americans are just presented with more opportunities to be racist.
Don't use social media as a gauge of racism in America. That's just shallow attention grabbing shit.
The entire government has been structured in racist ways, leading to racism in not just education, and goverment, but medical research, employment, Healthcare in general, housing, property, insurance, and the list goes on.
They intend to make the target of their racism look bad in any light, hypocrisy be damned (and they don't actually understand hypocrisy. If they do bad and don't get punished, its because they are good people. If the Other does bad they must be punished, because they are bad people).
I'm listening to a podcast for about 10 years. I care less and less for it, because the people in said podcast slowly drift off into... Not a rightwing pipeline, but a boomer pipeline. I don't know how to describe it. I didn't always agree, but the takes are getting so bad for my taste. Still, i didn't imagine them hating on Mamdani, but never even mention trump for example. And it's such a weird dislike. Ah yeah, now we rich people pay more taxes? For what? To do good? Stupid. Like they low key just hope he fails and i'm sitting there thinking: what's wrong with you? You have an audience and a microphone and never mention that your president is a pedophile, but hope that his supermarket that is affordable for poor people in new york fails?
What's the podcast?
You must live in New York. Most of the United States is still extremely racially segregated. As in, most people live in neighborhoods that are almost entirely people of their own race.
redlining
Or the DMV. There are still some segregated neighborhoods but there are also lots of places where you'll have black, white, Latino, Indian and Asian people all living in the same neighborhood
The OP doesn't live anywhere. They're a bot account here to push an agenda that I probably agree with, but it still rubs me wrong.
It's always been this way. I grew up with islamophobes, and basically anything they didn't like they would label as Islamic in order to attack it.
You're looking at news sources on the Internet, using an algorithm specifically designed to make you upset.
Yeah, there's a lot of racism in the US, but there's a lot of not racism out there. Get out to the city and talk to people and you'll see
Trump's approval rating is still like 35-38%. That's a lot of racist shitheads.
It also means roughly 1 in 3 (or 2 of 5) of your neighbors are fascist-racist people. (Ironically, they are the dangerous minority.)
Which means there's more of us than them. I was trying to help someone feel a little better.
Look up the history of municipal swimming pools, thr actual history of healthcare coverage jn America, and any statement about welfare in the US since Reagan's been in office.
America will cut off it's own legs mid-femu if it means keeping black people from having anything in this country. I was so late to the party in realizing this too but we literally have nothing in place for commhnities or broad social programs in this country because racism has always been leveraged to keep it out. Any time something good was proposed someone said 'what if a black person benefits' and then we never heard about it again. It's not the government that's racist either they're just using the same trick that's been working since reconstruction.
Been hoping more recent events have been showing that at least a good majority of the racism will die with the boomers. Gen X still doesn't realize what they've been hypnotized with their entire lives but it's not too late for them to come around. Otherwise we gotta wait for them too to make it meaningful.
Yeah... and I wish I could say it's just Republicans, but I've met enough Democrats who will feign being anti-racist while still accepting all the premises put out by the gov/news on immigrants, foreigners, black people, etc. The Islamophobia is particularly strong unsurprisingly given our now 25 years of war on terror propaganda. (Not that it started then either.)
For what it's worth, it does seem to be more old people than young people. Young people don't consume the same news that their parents did and while social media isn't exactly a bastion of objective information, it has exposed people enough to the world as it is and let people connect in ways that make it hard to completely lack empathy for others. It may not seem like it because the government doesn't really represent the people, but things are changing. Unfortunately that change can only go so far as long as capitalists maintain their dominance over society.
Racism is baked in deep. The state was literally concocted by enslavers to violently enforce their disgusting privilege. And people call them their (founding) "fathers". And that's just how it all started... Amazingly many people really think this place it he best.
TBH it's creep AF living here. I'm trying to get out.
These are all political ghouls they dont represent real people
That rascism was present under Obama too, just that the majority of people propagating it are one foot in the grave essentially. The younger generations seem to have fewer bigots in it, not zero, but not as big of a number as the older generations which were fed a constant stream of black man bad.
dint alot more gen-z supported trump this time around too, so it skipped a generation. i think milleneals were half and half though.
Weird that they hated him so much after bombing so many brown kids and deporting more immigrants that trump ever could. Least they could do is call him: "one of the good blacks."
Even if he were white, having a "D" is still marks against them. If he were a Republican, they would have been cheering up and down for all the terrible he did and little progress that was actually made.
That is not good.
always has been meme
Islamophobia is widespread amongst both the Far-Right party and the Neoliberal party.
Further, if you look at political postures of the Neoliberal party such as Identity Politics, it boils doing to an hyper-racialized take on human beings with people's character, worth and even treatment being determined by ethnicity - the same perspective on human beings as the Far-Right - with everybody of an ethnicity being deemed "victims" if some of that ethnicity are victimized, something then used to justify differentiated treatment towards all of them (quite independently of actually every having been victimized) to "make up to them" for it.
The true nature and consequences of all of this has really come into relief with the support for Israel and it's mass murdering of children in Gaza because they're "the Jewish Nation" and all Jews have been deemed victims following the Holocaust even though most were not victimized by it (whilst, "curiously", the Romani People were not given such treatment, even though 250000 of them were murdered in the Holocaust) and, lo-and-behold, turns out present day Jews are no better than anybody else, certainly are not "victims" - more than 54% of them worldwide support Israel and its actions (just add the support for Israel's actions amongst Jews in Israel and the US and you get 54% of all Jewish people), which put those 54% firmelly in the role of aggressors, not victims.
In other words, all the supposedly positive (yet prejudical and hence Racist) assumptions about people because of being Jews pushed by the Neoliberals as Identity Politics turned out to be bollocks, same as all other prejudiced assumptions based on ethnicity for other people, and this supposedly "positive" racism enabled a Genocide along racial lines in a form very similar to what the NAZIs did.
The Neoliberals enabling the Far-Right.
Instead of going for true Equality, which by definition is Equal For All (hence no differentiated treatment by Race) and thus is in practice blind to things like race (and were victimization is dealth with by making amends to the actual victims and punishing the aggressors, race being irrelevant), the Neoliberals went for this Different Equality For Different Groups shit which requires treating people differently based on amongst other things ethnicity, a form which allows them to avoid addressing the greatest inequality of all: Wealth Inequality.
Anyways, the point is that almost the entirety of politics in the US is Racist and Racially Discriminatory, one side nakedly so, the other with a bit of makeup to make it look like a "fight for Equality" and pass it as "leftwing"
In such an environment were people's ethnicity keeps getting emphasized, people's character keeps being assumed to be race-related and different treatment expected and even demanded depending on race, it's hardly surprising that Racism is all over the place - when almost the whole political landscape pushes a mindset of judging and treating people based on their ethnicity, most people will naturally do exactly that.
it was always racist, just hidden under the guise being "accepting" other cultures, but in reality they want conformity in a melting pot, they got scared when the civil rights movement happened so they had been fighting it ever since. US is also the MOST RIGHT WING western country, aka conservative, so naturally they have always have been racist, especially with never actually ending slavery of AA only on paper though. why do you think white people have to be constnatly reminded on POC that they are better, and some poc fall for it.
How is this good??
I mean obama was not very left and they went ape shit over him. 100% because a black man was elected president. that was just something beyond the pale for them. its why they think its fine to go facist because its went to far to them. Now who im talking about is republicans. republicans have sacrificed every aspect of conservative philosophy in the name of racism and its why olgiarchs are able to take it over so easy. they know even after they have violated the country and its laws. after they fuck over such a large swatch of the populace that it effects many of their memebers. often more on their members. they know they can still ead them by the nose with racist bulltrump.
I don't think Americans are more racist than anyone else, everyone has their blindspots. Europe, ask about gypsies, Russia is Russia, China has that genocide they're working on too. Israel too.
Since we're the financiers, making the conditions for which it happens - we are culpable beyond a doubt. We'll get our just deserts after this election (2028) probably.
I'd say the politicians play racism because people are ignorant and mostly play team sports. Most in America just ignore what is happening, they're struggling more than anyone overhere can remember since pre WW2 times. So you have people who would genuinely fight for what they believe in, but their own politicians are just playing them for chumps because money controls politics, not people.
I hear other countries have competitive racism going on, while the US is basically minor league racism.
But that's no excuse and racism is racism, so John Brown on that noise.
I used to feel the same way, that racist people were out there, but they couldn’t be that prevalent, then I accepted that I’m bald and started buzzing my head and holy shit, I was presented with a mind blowing number of dudes throwing out their little hand signs and secret language shit to me thinking that I was one of them. They are fucking everywhere.
On the plus side, I learned that if you want to have more opportunities to loudly and publicly call out and shame your local white supremacists and watch them crumble into a pile of shame, then just buzz your head. You’ve got to specifically be a white male for it to work, though, so that’s fucking lame.
Any comments from "Dr. Oz"? Clarence Thomas?
DR oz, also known memhet changed his name, because he thought his muslim sounding name hurts his chances of being a grifter.
Mr thomas said he "hates the left" because he wasnt helped when accused of sexual harrasment or wanst handed a nepo-job out of college.
Sadly yes and tribalism, but it's promoted from sports to supernatural systems, so they keep the prejudice against many groups going, generational prejudice that holds back healthy society. I really thought after 90s most people would see that equality didn't hurt them, and would keep voting for that and better humanity, but they doubled down on the unhealthy ways several times.
how the hell do you go on vacation to a tropical island when your constituency is literally freezing to death, Ted?
And what's even more wild... a lot of that came from his own party, because defending the billionaires is more important than winning elections.
And? Water is wet. Where ya been?
I heard, but have not confirmed that the US was very close to entering WWII as an ally of Hitler.
23 hour old account posts obvious psyop, Lemmy slurps it down like their 8th can of monster (this morning).
People here are fucking dumb, probably worse than Reddit.
Thank you.
I want to get something off my chest real quick: Lemmy is full of idiots!
Phew, that felt great. Sure, it doesn't actually qualify as getting something off my chest, but I can shoehorn my political opinions into this community because why not!
And hey, I probably agree with the wall of text, but highjacking communities for political posts is tiring.
unsurprisingly it's an account from programming.dev
Baby account with this post which is almost as old as the account itself?
I wish all bots/Russian trolls/bad actors were this obvious. It’d make them easier to identify and block.
"everyone who disagrees with me is a foreigner" and other insane conspiracies for the right wing mind
It might be a new account, but I agree with the example it provided for our bigotry problem. We are completely infested with conservatives, which is why we have such a wide-spread problem with racism, sexism, homophobia, xenophobia and other bigotry.
If we delete conservatism, we also delete the bigotry that comes with it.
This post could not be a more obvious psyop.
Imagine thinking Ted Cruz represents any significant portion of the American populace. Holy fucking Lemmings are very dumb.
Edit: by the way, a not insignificant portion of people in the U.S. voted for Trump because they're greedy. I'm not saying it's the right reason to vote, but saying every person who voted for Trump did it so they could say slurs is so intellectually vacant I'm surprised you can put the words together to begin with.
Found the conservative!
You're an idiot
Edit: oh, no - you're a 1 month old account. That tracks.
I’ll bet you did. Anything you can spin to advocate for violence against those you disagree with, right?
Guess I’m 2/2 today.
Nope. You are dead wrong as usual. I don't advocate for violence against "anyone I disagree with". I politely disagree with people all the time and am quite peaceful about it.
The only creatures I've ever advocated violence for are fascists and nazis. As it turns out, nearly all conservatives just happen to fit into those two flavors of conservatism.
More like two number 2s.
3 if you count yourself.
Don't block them, tag them and call them out.
This echo chamber bullshit is the reason discourse has reached the point where it's at. We need people to call out psyops, especially considering how successful this one is. Like holy fuck this could not be more bad faith but these Lemmings are just guzzling it down.
↑ "Joined 2 months ago" lol
LOTS of race baiting going on everywhere.
Just another tool to create division and keeps people focused on what drives them apart.
Can’t have the plebs realizing we’re all under the heel of the ultra wealthy and coming together under that uniting factor.