Yeah I can flex all the time I want but I still have to hit my 40hrs and fuck working in the evenings. I'd rather just get up and do it so I can get on with the rest of my life so 6am it is.
Same for high school. I was one of the furthest-out kids so we started super early. I would later be in an AP class that required I get to school on my own by class start at 07:15. We finished at 14:30, but those of us in band kept going for a while. Then any other clubs/activities. When I did theater, I'd get to school around 7am and not leave until 11-12 hours later.
Where I grew up in the States, the elementary, middle schools and high schools shared a transportation department. Because of this school start times were staggered as buses would pick up highschool students and drop off at school, then make runs to pick up the elementary and middle schools, again staggering to accommodate different start times.
This meant that students at any of the schools could get dropped off anywhere from 25 minutes early to just before classes started (from 7:30-9:00am.) The end of the day was also staggered, with school getting out between 2:30-3:30.
now see the weekend is a fair point because the typical person does usually have those. The OP though is a bit niche. Granted if your childless with a dog your sleep in time will still be limited. Although you can't take care of kids for 10 mins and then go back to sleep for two hours.
This lol Ive been getting up at 5 since I was 18 and at this point (unless ive like stayed up until 2 for some reason) my body wakes me up at 4:50 every day, work day or no. I'm just used to it 🤷♂️
im in a bit of no mans land. im a late nighter by nature but yeah the work world has had me up early (um for me 6am is the ealiest I can handle) but when away from it I slowly over time go back to my nature but it does take awhile.
I'm on track to retire in my mid-30s due to not having the expenses that my co-workers with kids do, and I don't have to do a damn thing before or after work I'm just sitting on a couch drinking a beer and watching anime when I get home. I'm 2 miles from work and don't have to be there until 10 but that's not necessarily the norm.
I got my good paying job at 24 and saved most of my money, but as a single person I spent $20k/yr total cost of living while living in a room in someone's basement and a lot of that was just takeout and beer honestly.
I'm sorry but if you've been in the workforce for 10 years and are ready to retire soon you're either doing some really bad math, are a prodigy making 7 figures since the age of 24, inherited money from someone else, or are planning to live off beer in someone's basement for the next 50 years
In investments, if your investments earn 7%/yr which is a fair bit less than you can make off a basic index fund on average you have 4% to live on and 3% for inflation and your money lasts forever.
My wife and I wake up at ~6:30am to get our daughter on her bus. We are not morning people, in fact we are quite emphatically night people. Left to our own devices, we will sleep more like 1am-9am. We knew this when we had our kid, and we figured that our circadian rhythms would naturally adjust to the baby's.
They did not. It's been six years since I had what felt to me like a "normal" sleep schedule.
I love my daughter, she's my reason for living, I wouldn't trade her for anything, not by a long shot.
But nobody should fuck around with parenting, and nobody should have to be convinced to do it, let alone coerced. The very idea of someone doing this without 100% wanting to do it sounds like just about the worst kind of hell I can imagine, for both parent and offspring.
Heh, my cat does the same to my parents when they visit.
Not to me though. My cat knows I ain't gonna get up and feed him until I'm awake. He will wait patiently and judge silently. Loud meowing only works on my parents.
LoL, you think it’s 8am! Here school starts at 8:30, and kids need a stupidly long time to get ready! Our usual wake up time is 7:15am, but it is not too uncommon that our kid wakes us up just before the alarm.
12-15 years of helping them go to school, then 10 years of helping them avoid terrible life choices when they are most prone to making them and least likely to listen to you, then 5-10 years of worrying about their career and finances and then you can finally start everything again with your grandchildren. Yay!
As someone with 2 kids and wasn't the biggest fans of kids all O can say is we kind of trained them to sleep in lol. With that said school is the worst part... im up by 6:45am during the week, but once they are gone i go back to bed for an hour or get some stuff done before my 9am job. Also weekends and summer they sleep till like 9am which is ok in my book!
In elementary school, they have these things called school busses. And once they hit Middle School, they want to take transit, because that's what all their friends do.
Well, you luckily do not have to, if you dont want to.
Thats like, your choice, man.
I'm a very late night person, and do work around the clock. Haven't ever done 9-5 work. Having kids does not make that easy, but thats my choice, once again. Pushing 40 years I wouldnt be able to go through it again with small kids. My wife just had to get a few dogs though. Same things as with small kids..
Yeah I have to conclude that I live in a simulation after reading the Finn's comment. Because the only explanation for them saying this is that I live in a simulation that occasionally needs to recalibrate itself to what I find believable. They are saying that most practically-toddlers in Finland are just as responsible as adults if not more so.
That's not at all unusual in Finland. I walked alone to daycare before I even started pre-school - granted it was at the end of the street I lived on.
The City of Helsinki encourages children to walk or bike to school. It is quite safe and several studies have shown that the daily exercise improves school performance. Children with a disability can apply for special school transportation.
My mom usually woke me up since she was already awake anyway but if she didn't I would've just used an alarm. I knew how to get dressed and make myself a bowl of cereal at that age and I don't need to pack a lunch because it gets served at the school for free.
Old American here. My mom got us all up and made us breakfast, because she didn't want us eating what we could make by ourselves--cereal was only for the weekends. After that, we were on our own to get dressed and get out the door. Starting in the first grade when I was still five for a couple of months, I walked to school with my older brother and sister till they went to a different school, and we all walked with kids from the neighborhood. No one walked alone.
So, while I could have gotten up, made cereal, and gotten myself to school starting in first grade, I'm glad I didn't need to. Because my mom loved me.
Mom making breakfast ended when I started high school, but I was the last of four kids, and she was more than done with all of it by then.
If my mom hadn't made us breakfast, my sister probably would have, she loved doing that stuff. She also had her first kid when she was 22, and then had two more.
I made my son breakfast (never cereal, always a hot breakfast) every school-day morning through 10th grade, when he said he wanted to do it himself. I didn't mind doing it, but I've always been a morning person.
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They have to be there at 8am, sometimes even 7 in some cities. Also, babies keep you awake all night.
Wait until this guy learns about having a job
Ah, the joys of having a flexible work schedule...
I too have flexible work schedule but I don't feel like working untill 7pm which is why I wake up at 6am.
Yeah I can flex all the time I want but I still have to hit my 40hrs and fuck working in the evenings. I'd rather just get up and do it so I can get on with the rest of my life so 6am it is.
There are millions of third shift employees that keep the world running while you people sleep.
8AM? School must start very late where you live. Classes started at 7:45 for me, so wakeup time would've been more like 6:30.
My bus arrived at 6:15am. We had to get up even earlier here.
At that point, why even go to sleep?
Same for high school. I was one of the furthest-out kids so we started super early. I would later be in an AP class that required I get to school on my own by class start at 07:15. We finished at 14:30, but those of us in band kept going for a while. Then any other clubs/activities. When I did theater, I'd get to school around 7am and not leave until 11-12 hours later.
Luxury!
Really? Where do you live? In the UK schools run from 9am-3.30pm.
Germany. Started at 7:45 and ended anywhere from 1PM to 4PM.
Worst I've had in Germany was 7:50 AM to 5:30 PM, that was fun.
G8 was a great idea with no drawbacks whatsoever.
Brutal.
Where I grew up in the States, the elementary, middle schools and high schools shared a transportation department. Because of this school start times were staggered as buses would pick up highschool students and drop off at school, then make runs to pick up the elementary and middle schools, again staggering to accommodate different start times.
This meant that students at any of the schools could get dropped off anywhere from 25 minutes early to just before classes started (from 7:30-9:00am.) The end of the day was also staggered, with school getting out between 2:30-3:30.
8AM? You’re not the kid, you’re getting 6AM so you can get that kid(s) dressed, fed, washed, etc.
this one falls flat. most people have to wake up before 8 to go to work regardless of marital status or kids.
Not on the weekend. I get 2 sleep-ins a week and I wouldn't trade them for anything
now see the weekend is a fair point because the typical person does usually have those. The OP though is a bit niche. Granted if your childless with a dog your sleep in time will still be limited. Although you can't take care of kids for 10 mins and then go back to sleep for two hours.
This lol Ive been getting up at 5 since I was 18 and at this point (unless ive like stayed up until 2 for some reason) my body wakes me up at 4:50 every day, work day or no. I'm just used to it 🤷♂️
im in a bit of no mans land. im a late nighter by nature but yeah the work world has had me up early (um for me 6am is the ealiest I can handle) but when away from it I slowly over time go back to my nature but it does take awhile.
I don't. My work schedule is flexible, I have a five-minute commute, and I can sleep and wake up pretty much whenever I want to.
yeah I don't think the average person can get that just by not having kids though.
I have the same
Ok? Did you only get your job on the condition of remaining childless? If not, it's irrelevant.
No, but I am.
Irrelevant? I wouldn't go that far, just your contribution to this discussion is.
I'm an average guy with an average job
I'm on track to retire in my mid-30s due to not having the expenses that my co-workers with kids do, and I don't have to do a damn thing before or after work I'm just sitting on a couch drinking a beer and watching anime when I get home. I'm 2 miles from work and don't have to be there until 10 but that's not necessarily the norm.
Damn, you must’ve been fortunate with job placement. Wtf. Half of my 20s was jobless, not for a lack of trying.
I got my good paying job at 24 and saved most of my money, but as a single person I spent $20k/yr total cost of living while living in a room in someone's basement and a lot of that was just takeout and beer honestly.
I'm sorry but if you've been in the workforce for 10 years and are ready to retire soon you're either doing some really bad math, are a prodigy making 7 figures since the age of 24, inherited money from someone else, or are planning to live off beer in someone's basement for the next 50 years
I think 78k was my salary back then, the stock market has done really well the last decade. $1.5 million is the amount I plan to retire with.
You retire at 35 with 1.5 Million Dollars in the bank? What?
In investments, if your investments earn 7%/yr which is a fair bit less than you can make off a basic index fund on average you have 4% to live on and 3% for inflation and your money lasts forever.
no kids here and not sure I will ever be able to afford to retire. early 50's currently.
My wife and I wake up at ~6:30am to get our daughter on her bus. We are not morning people, in fact we are quite emphatically night people. Left to our own devices, we will sleep more like 1am-9am. We knew this when we had our kid, and we figured that our circadian rhythms would naturally adjust to the baby's.
They did not. It's been six years since I had what felt to me like a "normal" sleep schedule.
I love my daughter, she's my reason for living, I wouldn't trade her for anything, not by a long shot.
But nobody should fuck around with parenting, and nobody should have to be convinced to do it, let alone coerced. The very idea of someone doing this without 100% wanting to do it sounds like just about the worst kind of hell I can imagine, for both parent and offspring.
Bruh my cats are basically alarm clocks in the morning 😹
Heh, my cat does the same to my parents when they visit.
Not to me though. My cat knows I ain't gonna get up and feed him until I'm awake. He will wait patiently and judge silently. Loud meowing only works on my parents.
Omg SAME. We taught ours to talk (using buttons) and she's such an absolute unhinged menace in the mornings
8AM is late. 6 or 5 is typical.
Jokes on you! I wake up at 5am already and 4am if I’m going fishing.
But that’s just me getting up, I don’t have kids or anyone else to get moving in the morning.
Maybe it’s jokes on me 🤷♀️
LoL, you think it’s 8am! Here school starts at 8:30, and kids need a stupidly long time to get ready! Our usual wake up time is 7:15am, but it is not too uncommon that our kid wakes us up just before the alarm.
12-15 years of helping them go to school, then 10 years of helping them avoid terrible life choices when they are most prone to making them and least likely to listen to you, then 5-10 years of worrying about their career and finances and then you can finally start everything again with your grandchildren. Yay!
Avoiding god’s toughest battles guys 😂
I did that (breakfast, going to school) by myself since I was like 5
I'm not childfree, I have a kid, but he's 22 and no longer lives with me.
But the thing is, I'm consistently woken earlier by my fucking cat than I ever was by my kid when he was little.
I just long for when they get old enough to not wake up 5:30 every morning
LPT: Marry a "morning person".
As you get older you'll probably start waking up earlier anyway. Sorry. Good luck with that.
What scares me the most about having kids is that I would have kids.
Shit, wait a minute. I never thought about that
yeah I would hate getting up that late and not having my work day done at 3pm
Jokes on you, my mum wouldn't wake up at all and yelled at me for not being on time or knowing how to prepare my own food!
.. Fuck me in retrospect that was crazy bad
No kids and looking forward to retiring in my mid-30s
As someone with 2 kids and wasn't the biggest fans of kids all O can say is we kind of trained them to sleep in lol. With that said school is the worst part... im up by 6:45am during the week, but once they are gone i go back to bed for an hour or get some stuff done before my 9am job. Also weekends and summer they sleep till like 9am which is ok in my book!
In elementary school, they have these things called school busses. And once they hit Middle School, they want to take transit, because that's what all their friends do.
Well, you luckily do not have to, if you dont want to.
Thats like, your choice, man.
I'm a very late night person, and do work around the clock. Haven't ever done 9-5 work. Having kids does not make that easy, but thats my choice, once again. Pushing 40 years I wouldnt be able to go through it again with small kids. My wife just had to get a few dogs though. Same things as with small kids..
I love how posts on this sub get absolutely ratioed.
I don't see it. Pls explain?
By 1st grade they should be capable of getting up and out without you, less you absolutely have to drive them there.
Back up. You're expecting six-year olds to wake up on time, shower, get dressed, make and eat breakfast, and get to school? All by themselves?
What the hell kind of accelerated-evolution six-year olds do you know?
Yeah I have to conclude that I live in a simulation after reading the Finn's comment. Because the only explanation for them saying this is that I live in a simulation that occasionally needs to recalibrate itself to what I find believable. They are saying that most practically-toddlers in Finland are just as responsible as adults if not more so.
That's not at all unusual in Finland. I walked alone to daycare before I even started pre-school - granted it was at the end of the street I lived on.
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Did you also do all the other stuff by yourself? I walked to school by myself, too, but I certainly didn't do all of that by myself.
My mom usually woke me up since she was already awake anyway but if she didn't I would've just used an alarm. I knew how to get dressed and make myself a bowl of cereal at that age and I don't need to pack a lunch because it gets served at the school for free.
I don't think most kids in that age bracket shower in the morning.
Sure, how many make breakfast, pack lunch, their schoolbag, and get to school on time?
My kids were doing that by age 6ish, yeah
Old American here. My mom got us all up and made us breakfast, because she didn't want us eating what we could make by ourselves--cereal was only for the weekends. After that, we were on our own to get dressed and get out the door. Starting in the first grade when I was still five for a couple of months, I walked to school with my older brother and sister till they went to a different school, and we all walked with kids from the neighborhood. No one walked alone.
So, while I could have gotten up, made cereal, and gotten myself to school starting in first grade, I'm glad I didn't need to. Because my mom loved me.
Mom making breakfast ended when I started high school, but I was the last of four kids, and she was more than done with all of it by then.
If my mom hadn't made us breakfast, my sister probably would have, she loved doing that stuff. She also had her first kid when she was 22, and then had two more.
I made my son breakfast (never cereal, always a hot breakfast) every school-day morning through 10th grade, when he said he wanted to do it himself. I didn't mind doing it, but I've always been a morning person.