Banned for one downvote
Just happened to check the modlog right after it happened. Weirded me out to see my username at the top.
Because I so rarely downvote posts, I remembered the one: https://lemmy.today/post/59636388
I downvoted it because there was no context, just a list of names. No evidence. No nothing. It looks like harassment or trying to inspire a brigade.
I'd take it up with the mod but the strange callout list without context + OP's extended modlog makes them someone I don't want to DM.
In case it wasn't obvious from my post history, no I'm not a zionist and I don't defend zionists.
I even upvoted one of their recent posts! I'm gonna go take that vote back right now.
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Looks like the mod got removed from that community as a result of this
It's been a whole thing. To recap:
The post was removed for harassment then mrdown was removed as a mod.
Shortly after that the same post was made on the duplicate piefed community, ![email protected] (moderated by mrdown) by account small44. It was quickly removed for harassment and the small44 account was banned.
However, the sidebar on the piefed community still features a list of disliked users. I wonder how long that will last.
I'm sorry you're going through all of this.
Lemmy has a growing toxicity problem. More extreme users seem to be taking over as reasonable people get fed up, bullied, and leave. Even minor disagreements can get ya labeled a Nazi or fascist.
Recently I saw a post from one of the Lemmy's bigger bullies complain that even he was tired of the toxicity and thinking about leaving.
Lemmy used to feel open, diverse, and welcoming. Now many people seem determined to punish anyone who disagrees with them, which is ironic because that's the same kind of authoritarian crap they claim to oppose. Your case and what is happened to you is a perfect example of this. Even in this thread, someone called you a fascist. It's crazy!
Speaking in general, the main difference I have observed is that the "liberal" instances aka Piefed, LW and the large colonial-power-aligned instances, seem to have decided being federated with any leftist instances who challenge state-backed narratives is legally/politically problematic for them. No wonder, since leftism is becoming increasingly criminalized in the west. There has been a sustained campaign to paint anyone left of the Democrats as an "extremist" and to try to isolate us as much as possible. Previously, I'd say most of the political agitation on Lemmy came from leftists. Now, it seems to be mostly coming from anti-antifa crowd, aka the far right.
For this ban in particular though, I think this was a clear case of PTB. Wren is about as reasonable a user as I have come across on Lemmy.
Don't be sorry, I posted this more because it's funny than anything else.
Lemmy is a weird place. It's a whole lot less toxic than, say, my town facebook group, but still weird.
I do hope more people join with the understanding they can curate their feeds, and hope they see all the purity testers and trolls as oddities in an exhibit rather than the whole lemmy experience.
But yeah, super tempted to make a lemmy bingo card now.
I need more suggestions for what would go on it.
How about a list of common ban/removal reasons from the modlog. Like uncivil/civility; misogynistic/misogyny; fascist/fascism; transphobe/transphobic; liberal/liberalism; tankie/communist; you're a bot/AI/LLM; you get the gist; advertising/spam/spammer/shill; troll/bad actor/state actor; call to violence/antisocial/illegal
Those were just from the top of my head :p
Ooh good idea. One row could just be ban reasons.
Isn't that thread a violation of LW rule 1 anyways?
I seemed like a violation of something, part of why I downvoted it.
It's been removed now. Sorry it took a bit.
Looks like it's back up on another instance.
https://lemmy.today/post/59714476
Still no explanations.
Down voted out of principle
I understand, thank you.
Not even the mighty wren is immune from the tankie triad
Edit: Wait, it was on .world? Damn
I think its worth mentioning that the poster of the downvoted thread, and the mod who did the ban are the same person. Specifically banning someone to protect your own posts is abusive, malicious, and cowardly.
I figured, thanks for checking.
Was there ever any doubt?
No mod ever bans people for downvoting other people's posts. They only ban you for hurting their own personal feefees.
I accidentally vote with gestures all the time, this seems like a terrible way to deal with people. At least have a conversation first?
Yes, I accidentally vote when scrolling sometimes, especially when fur baby bumps my hand or device. I've probably voted in ways that would horrify me.
Literally
"I think murder, torture and pedophilia are bad"
*accidental downvote*
or that person could contact me and tell me it was an accidental gesture and I would unban
I downvoted you on purpose
This got me thank you.
Is it supposed to be a bannable offense to downvote a post or comment?
I blocked all the
communitiessubreddits you hold power in already. If you want to be king of shit mountain then go back to shit mountain.Why are you consistently the most miserable and abrasive person on this platform? I've never seen even a single positive thing from you. Just hate and anger. Your username really does check out, because you're always such a downer.
Why don't Palestinians simply contact the IDF after their homes were bombed to explain that... Wait they're dead, they can't.
You are acting like a fascist. What a stupid loser you are.
I'm not sure that getting banned from a PTB community on Lemmy is really comparable to genocide
mrdown bad lmao.
Because mods that autoban for stupid as fuck reasons are known to be reasonable people you can communicate with...
Already said why I didn't want to DM. You have quite the history.
The fact that you ban people for downvoting says everything anyone would ever need to know about what kind of person you are.
My first inclination involves choosing to talk to a bear first.What kind of thinskinned loser bans someone for downvoting anyway? It's amazing to me you survived this long, being so delicate and afraid of everything
Or you could just not be a twat and ban people for an arbitrary gesture.
Either/or.
Just wanna let you know ahead of time that my downvote to this comment is intentional
I accidentally downvoted this post.
Name doesn't check out
Banning for a downvote?
What I like about this group is that it shows me communities and mods I can preemptively block to avoid the displeasure of interacting with them. Thanks.
You should put the vote back, no one should get auto banned for a vote. It literally could have been a mistaken click. Say fuck those people and block them.
I've never heard of this community before today
Same here, I saw this thread, checked out the post mentioned, downvoted the unsubstantiated claims, and am now waiting for my ban.
If the mod in question happens to read this, you should learn from this, don't just post random accusations of this nature, post evidence of your accusation, including sourcing the information you reference.
By not doing this, you reduce the impact of not just your own use of the accusation, but also everyone else's.
I liked the stuff they posted. Until now.
What a fucking, thin skinned loser.
PTB.
My first ban! :)
Fuck the IOF, stop the genocide, Free Palestine!
Looks like OP has been called a fascist before and threw a fucking fit over it without ever actually engaging with the accusation: https://lemmy.today/comment/26103610
Also OP seem to think banning for downvoting IS totally reasonable (but only when it's them doing the banning): https://lemmy.today/comment/21073828
Also, literally page after page of liberal-sourced news posts. Like, an astounding amount. And you 'like Reuters". Yeah, you're not beating the lib accusations on this one, OP.
With all that said, the idea that you would downvote a post warning about fascists on Lemmy says pretty much all that needs to be said, though. You were scratched.
This is why no one takes .ml seriously but yourselves.
You cannot possibly be serious.
ML is always serious when they defend censorship
That first link shows an extended conversation between two users who disagreed respectfully. It doesn't seem to say what you think it says.
The only way the second link shows anything is if you genuinely don't understand the idea of context. There's a bit of a difference between responding to a single instance of something, and an established pattern of behavior.
You're incoherent.
Where was I called a fascist? How am I a fascist?
I never disagreed with banning for downvote bots and troll accounts. I've done it myself when I was trying to get my communities started, on the very rare occasion I found an account with tens of thousands of downvotes. I disagree with banning for one downvote.
I post leftist media. Also rocks and art. If you have a problem with anything I post, come say so. I don't ban people for arguing with me.
Easy, ml said so. That's it.
Hmm. That's not... even remotely the same thing? And seems very reasonable?
Here zionazi jimmy90 for example
https://lemmy.world/modlog?page=1&actionType=All&userId=346837
or Felis_Catus_Domesticus
https://lemmy.world/modlog?page=1&actionType=All&userId=22676495
My reason was clear i did neither accused you or being a zionist and neither defending a zionists
I stand firmly behind my belief that Zion National Park is superior to all other national parks.
This comment has been approved by Joshua Graham.
It's not unclear, it's just unreasonable.
Weird that the post isn't downvoted more...
https://lemmy.world/post/51617510
Nobody care when rightfully tankies are banned for defending or trying to burrying post about russian crimes but when it comes to zionists ton of hypocrites start crying about it. Pure hypocrisy.
Buddy it's got nothing to do with the topic and everything to do with banning someone for using one of the two basic ways of engaging with content on Lemmy.
You’re here because you banned someone for downvoting. It has absolutely nothing to do with the content of the post. Act like your post was completely empty. The title was just “.”. And then you banned someone for downvoting it. That’s why you’re here.
Please take this in the “try to be nice, always be kind” spirit in which it is intended: Your moderation policies are chasing off many potential allies. I’m assuming that you are putting in the thankless work of moderating that forum because you want to raise awareness and support around important issues- like genocide. If a bunch of pro Palestinian and anti Zionist people are telling you that they want nothing to do with a forum that is moderated in this manner, it is time for some reflection. When you’re stuck in mud, spinning your wheels faster doesn’t move you forward.
You absolute fucking child. You banned me for a downvote too lol
I will surely miss whatever the hell your community is!
Edit: this morning I see this coward has banned dozens for downvotes. I'm not sure if it's more sad or more stupid to do that. I immediately blocked his community when I was banned there, so all this coward is doing is creating an especially echoey echo chamber rather than spreading any sort of message.
So explain that in the post instead of just listing names and then instantly banning anyone who doesn't blindly accept it...
Then post a comment asking for proof .
The burden of proof is on the person asserting a claim, it's not everyone elses job to chase you for proof on the claims you make, it's your job to provide that proof unprompted
Nonono, if you post a list of names calling people zionists, you produce the proof then and there.
Easy: "Everybody who ever downvoted me is a zionist!"
The burden is on you to provide evidence for your claims, at all times, especially when making a direct accusation against another person or persons. No one should ever have to ask for the evidence. Ever.
Sad little king of a sad little hill. This the most power you have ever had in your life isn't it? Your big crowning achievement?