F*ck Windows: move to Fedora or Ubuntu
Today, lovely Windows 11 installed an update. And since then I don't have internet access because Microslop Wincrap 11 can somehow magically no longer connect to the DNS server - to any DNS server. No other device in my network has the same issue. I've been bugfixing for over an hour and haven't found a solution. setting the DNS manually, resetting the network adapter, flushed all DNS entries (I used the commandline tool on Windows!). nothing works.
I don't have ANY more patience with W11!
I already tried Linux. I'm using Ubuntu Server for hosting Nextcloud and Fedora just to play around.
Do you prefer Fedora or Ubuntu? I have an old Thinkpad...
(And no, I will not go down the rabbit hole of Arch ;-) At least not for now.)
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Highly recommend Fedora over Ubuntu.
Ubuntu Server and Desktop has some dumb defaults that look measly next to Windows, but still annoying next to Fedora.
Fedora also generally has more solid documentation without a bunch of LTS slag threads with outdated answers.
Bazzite on my gaming machine, Bluefin on my other machines. Both are Fedora Atomic based (meaning read-only kernel). Secure, stable, amazing. Apps are installed via Flatpak, and cli tools using Homebrew.
I've been a full time Linux user for 25ish years now. I'm currently happy here, but have tried most of them
I had a great experience with Fedora on my thinkpad, it's almost as if they're made for each other. It's basically the testing version for Redhat. If you want something more stable and still enterprisey, Rocky Linux or Almalinux are both basically RHEL rebranded.
I've abandoned Ubuntu, even though it was what I started on and used for over a decade. Canonical is kind of like the Microsoft of linux right now, a bit hostile toward the rest of the community, but still an acceptable choice. I would recommend Linux Mint instead, though.
Keep in mind that the look and feel you'll experience is all the desktop environment, so if you don't like it, trying using a different one instead of looking at a new distro. I highly recommend using a few live USBs of what you want you try before installing to get a feel for what you like.
Fedora. Better than Ubuntu in pretty much every regard.
Debian for the overwhelming majority of everything. With KDE, I don't do gnome.
My thinkpads both run arch, you may want to look at endeavouros for a simple approach to arch.
This is the answer. Debian is rock solid.
The update last month somehow both moved every single file I have back into one drive (I've had to remove them and turn off one drive multiple times now) and then a few hours later delete EVERYTHING. Windows help said there was no options, once it's gone it's gone.
Thankfully I had just backed everything up recently. I had been meaning to dual boot this computer for awhile all I just installed Mint and haven't looked back. Screw windows.
For a new user - Ubuntu LTS. In a few years move to Debian.
Not Ubuntu. Mint or Fedora.
You like Gnome (how everything looks in Ubuntu)? Use Fedroa Workstation, or use Mint and install Gnome yourself.
This is only my opinion. After all, this is your computer; do what you want.
Yeah. I'm in a phase between Ubuntu and mint but moving on with my change over. Ubuntu is trying to commercialize the platform. I can sniff that a mile away. Mint is basically the open source version of Ubuntu.
I'd recommend Linux Mint Xfce. It's the closest to an "it just works" situation while being open to tinker and quick to respond, this last part as the micro delays from Linux Mint Cinammon for most things being what pushed me away from Windows in the first place.
Both Mint versions are made by the same people and found in the same site.
Also, note that LMint installs many Ubuntu components, but supports Flatpak apps out-of-the-box, but not Snap.
Also maybe a niche case but since the source of your irritation is connection, I think it's worth mentioning:
If you use a certain VPN whose widget is for Debian/Ubuntu only in this family of distros coughcoughprotoncoughcough, please take the time to learn how to use the WireGuard integration from the VPN instead. The widget version if installed on Mint is way too prone to breaking, being a matter of when, and not if it will break. And WireGuard instead I have yet to see breaking on its own.
I am a Debian man myself for servers. I don't want any Canonical bullshit to break mid LTS.
While I am still running win 10 I am undecided which desktop to switch to. CachyOS and Fedora are the front runners but man do I hate Gnome.
Debian for everything.
You don't have to use Gnome on Cachy or Fedora. Fedora has spins for nearly every DE, and Cachy also has an option for nearly every DE on install.
I'm not a big fan of Gnome on Fedora either. Everything is just so big and needs so much space. CachyOS is a tad to new for my taste for using it as a daily driver.
Another vote for Fedora KDE. But I'll add get the atomic version (Kinoite).
why not fedora KDE? it is a full edition now and a really smooth experience
CatchyOS being bleeding edge has actually alleviated a lot of my complaints with Ubuntu/Fedora. Sometimes I really want that brand new shiny thing. And so far I haven't had too many issues with Catchy breaking. Granted I only run it on my testing laptop not my main machine.
Plenty of good KDE distros out there. And it's often possible to install KDE on a Gnome-default system.
Don't know about CatchyOS or Fedora, but on Ubuntu, the command was
sudo apt install KDE-full... then just restart and it boots into KDE no problem.(Yes, I know Kubuntu exists. But Kubuntu didn't support ZFS on root during install, while mainline Ubuntu did. So I suffered through using Gnome just long enough to open a terminal and type in that command, followed by
reboot.)I use cachyOS with kde plasma on wayland right now and would recommend.
Debian is perfectly good on the desktop too
I didn’t want to program shit; I don’t care about command line; I love a good gui and didn’t want to fuck with finicky drivers. Moving to Ubuntu from Windows allowed me to continue to use my mostly browser-based computing existence without having to learn to use a new tool. I may not use Arch but one less Windows victim must be a step in a better direction.
Fedora, mainly because ubuntu is putting ai into it's release in the coming months. Which is fine if you're visually impaired, but afaict that's not why they're putting it in.
I'll be switching to Cachy once I'm forced to switch.
and sorry for the ragebait. I'm just a little bit frustrated and had to write it down
I have been on Fedora since 33 or 34, and quite like it. I will say that I have had upgrade woes twice though. I set up Nextcloud on Ubuntu using snaps about 10 years ago, and it's still kicking, although it goes down every time it decides it's going to update itself. Win 11 at work: Randomly, half our fleet stopped loading Teams chats last week, and six machines lost their UEFI boot entries today. Big fan.
Mint all the way for me. Mint's based on Ubuntu unless you're adventurous and choose LMDE which is based on Debian instead (Ubuntu is also based on Debian, so it cuts out the middleman.)
And the Cinnamon desktop, which is the default, is very Windows-like and native to Mint. Perfect for refugees. I was one when my Win 7 SSD died and I thought that that was a perfect time to switch.
I can't speak to Fedora (I still haven't forgiven Red Hat for what they did to CentOS), but Mint has honest-to-goodness old-school forums where you can ask for help if you get stuck.
Edit: typo
I’ve been pointing newbies to LMDE for ages now. Standard Mint is okay, but with the underlying Ubuntu changes, I’ve found it can teach those new to Linux some unconventional habits and it seems like LMDE just sticks a bit closer to what I would consider to be the “base level” introduction to Linux without being too manual.
If those are the only two options, I'd go Fedora.
But honestly I'm trying really hard not to distro shame anyone - whatever gets you off windows is a win imo. I don't want to end up like that grounds keeper willy meme about the scottish.
Ubuntu and Fedora are both great choices.
I will also recommend OpenSUSE Leap (NOT tumbleweed as it's a rolling release vs long term support model) and Linux Mint.
Give mint a try just to start. It's ubu-based, super polished and great for a first distro. That being said, don't think Linux doesn't have those update/dependency hell horror stories. If you go into it with realistic expectations, you'll have a great time with it.
Depends on distro, really.
Stick with a stable LTS branch of a well-established distro, and you're very unlikely to ever see issues after updating something.
Fedora all the way.
I moved to Fedora a few years ago. Spent a week or two orienting myself, like going to a new town and not knowing how to get around. So glad I did. I choose when and what to update.
Not perfect though, it lost keyboard connection yesterday. Reboot fixed it.
what made you decide to use Fedora and not Ubuntu. Or Linux Mint?
Not the original guy, but I went to Fedora (Silverblue) first, because I heard so much about Ubuntu being shit and basically slightly less corpo infested Windows. I had Fedora recommended to me by a person I know + privacy guides recommends it I think.
I just wanted a simple distro that is seen as privacy respecting for anyone who didn't want to go into the deep end of Tails OS and the like.
Silverblue is atomic, which is typically advertised as "Noob-proof" since you can't really touch the OS and system files itself. But I like to tinker a little and found it frustrating to work around, so I ended up going with regular Fedora Plasma KDE. Been a year or almost 2 now and it's been great. My biggest "normal" issue was bluetooth and touchpad issues. Bluetooth issue was caused by not doing a full power cycle after a kernel update, and touchpad was randomly disabling itself in settings for some reason... The other issues were needing specific software for class purposes like VirtualBox (signing keys and shit for virtualization ig) or coding apps (had to start it in terminal).
Wifi blew up once and tried to troubleshoot to no avail, a reboot or two later and it fixed itself 🙏
Over the decades, I've tried Ubuntu, mint, arch, fedora in that order. I would rate my experiences arch > fedora > mint > Ubuntu.
Endeavor os would be my first recommendation, Cachyos then fedora. If you want that classic windows 7 experience and very solid support, I recommend mint. If you need the latest drivers endeavor.
Obviously, the best solution is to just move to Linux, yes.
But...
I have the exact same issue occasionally on my Windows gaming PC. The only way to resolve it is to restart the computer and restart the internet router at the same time. Restarting either one alone isn't enough.
(Yes, it's mind-boggling that the router needs to be restarted, given that all my other devices (phones, Linux PC) can still access the internet through that same router just fine. But that's what works.)
I 🎮 on Bazzite
Wait till you learn about Distrobox and Distroshelf.
Make a Fedora and Ubuntu box to install
.rpmand.debapps to your Bazzite host, when you need to install things not available asflatpakorhomebrew. Since layering apps withrpm-ostreecan get messy/ugly.Have all three. 🤯
For various ways to install apps on an atomic image based OS:
Also checkout Project Bluefin and Aurora.
It is some years since I ran Fedora. Ubuntu is still predominant at work. But I run Debian on my ThinkPad and all my laptops for many years. I think this ThinkPad is my third laptop that I have installed Debian on: they don't last forever. Before that, I was running Mint. They all run well, so there's not much to choose between them, from my perspective. Neither Fedora nor Ubuntu would be a bad choice.
I’ve generally found that while there is almost always package equality between deb and rpm distros, when there isn’t I’m more likely to find a deb. I’d recommend Mint for you, followed by Debian Stable.
So far I've only tried Pop!_OS and Mint, and I much much much prefer Pop!. I even got my wife to start using it.
Edit: Pop!_OS is also Ubuntu based.
I didn't really like Mint at all.
Delete and reinstall your nic. Check your firewall. Test connectivity over port 53 to your dns server.
If you have any 3rd party software that messes with dns, disable or remove it.
I’ve just installed Fedora on my older plex server that was previously running a very old version of macOS, I really like it. My past experience has been with Ubuntu and other Debian-based distros, but I really like Fedora. For one, dnf is much friendlier than apt, and I far prefer Flatpak to Snaps. BTRFS has some cool built-in features that you don’t get with EXT4. Overall, I really liking it.