I will die on this hill..
Were judged by are actions and what we did in life. Dieing does not make you a better person.
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View original on lemmy.caWere judged by are actions and what we did in life. Dieing does not make you a better person.
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I will speak ill of the dead, I will speak frankly about the life they lived and if they or their family or their supporters are ashamed of it then that speaks more of their values than me speaking about their misdeeds. I get not focusing on someone's failings but not remembering someone for their intentional actions is a disservice to their legacy and our future history.
If they're ashamed of his legacy then why didn't he or they try to right his wrongs?
I'll speak ill of anyone living or dead. Dumb concept
If they were a piece of shit while alive they don't deserve anything else.
Who even came up with this 'don't speak ill of the dead' bullshit? If someone was an awful person, then they were an awful person and everybody should criticize them for it if they want to.
What does them being dead change? The family will be sad? Well boo hoo, should have cut ties with the fucker when he was sentencing innocent children to death. Pretty sure their families are even sadder.
I think it's more of a "don't hold onto hatred" kinda thing. They're dead, so let it go for your own sake, as well as those grieving. It doesn't help anyone
I don't think it applies to public figures though... At least not if their family isn't around. Hell, I think it's just fine to celebrate the world becoming a better place
I don't let hatred build up in myself, but I sure as hell have felt hope when I see some monsters have gone
I've always heard it as don't speak ill of the dead at the funeral. Or wake or what have you I guess. Certainly it's never been forever.
It’s because when you’re dead you can’t defend yourself.
But mostly it’s to protect the feelings of the living.
I think it works on a small scale when people who knew the asshole are still mourning, but breaks down when we're talking about public figures who affect policy.
Also if they were demonstrably an enemy to human decency imo
Many years ago my parents had a neighbor. He was a nice guy but annoying as all hell at times, so much so that my mom purposely avoided him at the pool. If she saw him she'd go out of her way to walk around to the side of the pool and be sure to not get in the water when he was in there. She spent months not being able to say 1 remotely decent thing about him.
Then he died unexpectedly of a heart attack. And suddenly he was the nicest person she knew, always so friendly and loved chatting with him, etc etc. I straight up called her out on it.
Nobody cares about the living. We make up for it by fucking their corpses into paste.
That's one way to show respect.
From my understanding, it's more of a tradition, or a rule of thumb, than a capital offense.
Kind of a way of saying well: that's that.
I don't think you're supposed to white wash assholes, just don't marinate in it now that it's less important.
Of course, you don't denigrate yourself or others for the dead, but carrying their water would be real dumb too.
I stick to talking about positive things they've done.
For instance, Lindsey Graham died.
Everyone liked that
I wouldn't have a problem not speaking ill of dead conservatives if it weren't for the fact that conservatives think "41%" is the height of comedy
Conservative politicians speak ill of masses of dead innocent civilians.
What does that mean?
I don't think it applies to politicians. Nobody asks folks to spare Hitler of criticism because he's dead.
Well, he did kill Hitler.
If they were a bad person I will wholeheartedly speak whatever the fuck I want and whenever the fuck I want.
Yeah, it's not like Republicans said horrible things about the people Ice shot, or trans people, or the kids at Sandy Hook.
...it's not like Trump called the war dead losers.
Trump also said some heinous things about a postmortem Rob Reiner.
I'm banned from r/politics. I mean politics.world I guess, sorry forgot where I was for a second.
Same, for the statement "They say good things happen in threes."
i blocked the instance since the account in the previous(now defunct instance) was banned for calling out zionist efforts undermining universities here. also DBZERO for some reason, i almost never interact with that instance by im crossbanned from it, and they gave a BS reason(i never was told what i did wrong)
Check out their mod logs, super sus bans involving anti Zionist left and right. Reads like a reddit mod log tbh. Petulant loser mods.
they call it "trolling whataboutism, multiple communities simulateneous with no record of an incident. they just someone was participating in one comm dbzero dint like and decided to crossban pre-emptively.
pitiless and disrespectful people deserve neither pity nor respect
I have a collection of small bottles of rum each dedicated to celebrating the death of a terrible person, I have also drawn up a list of good restaurants to celebrate further a few days later.
I bought fireworks for the big one.
Would it kill you to use spell check?
Alas spell check wouldn't fix the were or the are. When I see this I give them the benefit of the doubt and assume English is their second language. Still drives me insane though.
When learning a second language you usually learn it by reading and writing it, whilst you usually learn writing your native language long after you learned speaking it. These types of mistakes are characteristic for someone that learned a language by speaking it first.
Someone that learned English as a 2nd language would never write "are" instead of "our", that's a mistake that can only happen if you learned writing the language long after you learned speaking it
My first language is English. I just never excelled at it as a I have dyslexia. But 28% of Americans do read at Lv1 or lower. There is no reason to shame someone on literacy.
Hmmm, interesting point.
I'm a context before accuracy person. If I can understand what they're saying and their point, I'll let minor things go. I will go back and reedit my own mistakes though, over and over, because I can't stand myself doing it. But I'm here for the discussion, not the grammar and spelling grading.
This is a rather natural conclusion once you realize all grammar rules are decided by some committee somewhere. They're not some law of nature. That being said, it also pains me greatly to find mistakes in my own text.
Grammar only truly matters if not following a particular rule can actually cause miscommunication. Doesn't happen often in common conversation though. Just laws and board game rules.
First week on the internet, eh?
Catholicism unironically teaches this, and you can even skip the charity part.
He called for nuking Iran. Let er rip
“You shouldn’t speak ill of the dead” doesn’t say anything about morality, so the second person’s point is irrelevant and wouldn’t be considered a gotcha by the MAGA guy
Yeah I think the mods might be disabled, as not technically wrong, just functionally and morally stupid, regarding the death of renowned evil shit-person Sen.
Sorry turns out scotus ruled senators can be animatronics
That saying generally applies to people you know, not so much famous people.