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infosec.pub

That moment you're reminded that, oh yeah, this guy was a comedian back in simpler times.

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lemmy.zip

Its not even his comedic acting background.

Zelenskyy has charisma. Contrast that with a senile lunatic who almost definitely had shit his pants by this point in the interview and...

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Telodzrumreply
lemmy.world

Trump is crazy charismatic; that’s a big part of the problem. I don’t get it, but clearly tens of millions of people do, a whole fucking lot.

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lemmy.zip

He REALLY isn't. He can barely speak a coherent sentence and somehow the party of homophobia is cool with a guy who can only dance by miming a blowbang.

There are two big keys to his success and they are true of many populist leaders:

  1. His support base know they are as dumb as he is, if not dumber, and are glad they have a leader who won't use big words like "because".
  2. The vast majority of people never see him. They see a highly edited clip on tiktok or just hear that he said they should beat a trans person on Facebook and so forth.

Contrast that with someone like Big Daddy Z. "I would love to visit but we are too busy destroying it" really isn't anything new and there are countless quotes along those lines from WW2 and the like. But he has basic people skills, a great smile, and knows how to sound like a human being where "I might not always agree with you but I would totally share a drink". And it works. It belittles the opposition, reminds people of Ukraine's current accomplishments, and makes you like the guy.

That is charisma.

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Telodzrumreply
lemmy.world

They’re both charismatic and if you can’t see that you aren’t equipped to confront reality and the problems we face.

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lemmy.today

You’re getting downvoted, but you’re absolutely right. For a certain type of American, he is magnetic. It’s the same type who goes to megachurches. Those preachers are obvious charlatans to you and me, but in white trash culture, they are top-of-the-heap alpha male leaders with all the answers.

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The people for whom trump has "charisma" for have a series of mental health issues that the rest of us don't have.

tl;dr only people who are severely fucked in the head think he has charisma. The rest of us don't see it or comprehend it because we ain't fucked up in the head.

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lemmy.today

It isn't charisma, it is convenience. The convenience to be an asshole without repercussion, is what Trump promises. His backers want to become Trump.

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Telodzrumreply
lemmy.world

No my dude. It’s charisma. It’s Perón and Putin and Bonaparte. It’s not the same charisma as Obama or Mamdani, but it’s charisma nonetheless.

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Charisma at home.

Charisma for dummies.

Is this charisma? 🦋

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Other people are disagreeing, since he's not really smooth the way the term implies. But, maybe he has a different kind. Charisma is hard to define.

Trumpism predated Trump, though. He was just the first rich guy willing to openly say horrible things in the primary.

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I reckon there's correlation there, but causation is inverse of what the the parent comment suggested:

He was a pretty good (from what I've seen) comedian because he was charismatic, not charismatic because he was a comedian

Of course I personally still can't get over the penis piano playing lmao. I wish more countries had the balls to vote for someone like that.

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Senile lunatic once was middle-aged fresh president and he also used to be sharp. It is just he's senile today, and probably can be considered sharp for his age.

The only difference is that he outright lies off the screen to his people while Zelensky does not.

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He had some side splitters in his interview with Letterman as well, you know someone's witty as fuck when they can make jokes not in their native language

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lemmy.today

he sat like this in 2019, when he was threatening him if he dint "make up an investigation" into the bidens.

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abcreply

I imagine he had to unlearn the Biden years when he was dealing with actual world leaders. He clearly went in that mode to the first Trump meetings which didn't quite work.

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Victorreply
lemmy.world

I'm not even sure it was a joke. Didn't look like he was kidding at all.

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ladiciusreply
lemmy.world

Dry humour at its best. Delivery is king in comedy.

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Victorreply
lemmy.world

Right, I get all that, but I don't think he was joking about this. I don't think he or his fellow countrymen are joking about these things. I wouldn't anyway.

🤷‍♂️ What do I know though.

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boonhetreply
sopuli.xyz

Nah he would definitely joke about it, as would many of his countrymen, although obviously not all.

Gallows humour is a coping mechanism for difficult situations for a lot of people, while others of course can't stand it at all.

Personally, if I happened to be in the actual gallows, I'd be making stupid ass jokes that make everyone else wish they'd die sooner

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kurwareply
lemmy.world

If everything he said was true, and it was funny, does that contradict each other?

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I guess everyone is misunderstanding me.

I'm not saying he was joking as in saying something that wasn't true. I'm just saying he wasn't trying to be funny.

It's not a joking matter.

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Sasreply
piefed.blahaj.zone

I guess that's possible by telling a truth in a joking manner

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I think you've misunderstood. I'm not saying joking needs to be saying something false.

I'm saying he wasn't trying to be funny.

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lemmy.ca

Yes. Sometimes the truth is funny. And sometimes humor is dark.

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Yet another comment like this: I'm not saying he wasn't telling the truth. I just don't think he was trying to be funny.

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lemmy.zip

Fucking legend. More proof of my theory that comedians should govern.

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abcreply

Also treating every talk with Trump like it was a standup show is a great way to deal with the dumbass.

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lemmy.world

Once again I would like to apologize to President Zelenskyy on behalf of the 49% of my fellow voters who decided a corrupt, incompetent, demented rapist was a great idea.

Thank you for being able to roll with it while we get our #%@ s**t together.

Progressives, can you meet me on camera 3?

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nonentityreply
sh.itjust.works

⅔ of eligible US voters chose their current federal representation.

⅓ actively. ⅓ passively.

It was an indisputable majority who chose this outcome. If the US wants to argue this is not who they are, then its citizenry needs to prove it.

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lemmy.sdf.org

Although, history has shown every nation isn't that far from signing up from fascism.

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That’s just the population revealing who they truly are.

Weak communities are required for authoritarianism.

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ODGreenreply
lemmy.ca

The rest of the world is not "rolling with it", it is laughing at you, boycotting US goods and travel, and distancing themselves as best they can.

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aussie.zone

When did he say this? Is this real?

edit: Damn you're quick, 26 minutes ago

Donald Trump says he has pushed back on requests from Vladimir Putin to hold potential peace talks in Moscow.

"One of the things that I talked to [Putin] about was, where would you want to meet? And he said, ideally in Moscow," Trump said, adding that he rejected the idea as it "just doesn't work".

"But he'll meet and Zelenskyy is going to meet and something's going to happen," says Trump. "It's going to be positive."

The US president adds that he hopes a meeting with the two sides will happen "soon".

He then turns to Zelenskyy and asks: "Would you go to Moscow?"

"It's difficult, there's a lot of Ukrainian drones there," Zelenskyy jokes, to laughter from those in the room.

https://news.sky.com/story/ukraine-war-latest-negotiators-leave-for-geneva-as-kim-jong-un-honours-north-korean-martyrs-who-died-for-russia-12541713

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lemmy.world

LOL! Kudos to President Zelensky. I do not know how he can hold his composure while sitting near a fucking Russian asset.

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That's why he was a comedian before becoming president....

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lemmy.world

The cool thing about drones is they only hit enemies. Usually.

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That was a very cursed ship. Almost as cursed as HMAS Melbourne, which sunk two allied smwarships in peacetime, had a bunch of planes just fall off, and eventually was accidentally sold to PR China where they reverse engineered some of her secret systems

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Except the ones Ukraine admitted to using which were just AI-powered “kill all humans in sight” deals.

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