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lemmy.world

“Public discourse increasingly attributes the challenges faced by the middle and lower classes to the actions and influence of wealthy corporate executives,” the fusion center memo says.

God, they’re soooo close…

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iocasereply
lemmy.zip

That's the executives job, is to be the public face you blame when in reality they're just the generals and colonels appointed by the shareholders.

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Yes. They’re already disposable by design. CEOs with controlling stake are rare precisely because appointing majority stakeholders to run the company forfeits the advantage of liability encapsulation.

There are exceptions, of course, such as founders retained for their institutional knowledge and track record, but these are generally exclusive to younger corporations.

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In general, it would be a massive win for any military to take out their opponent's generals or other command structure personnel

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lemmy.ca

They only call it a class war when poor people fight back.

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sh.itjust.works

This might seem tangentially unrelatied, but I remember a conversation from earlier this week where a group of coworkers started talking about Taylor Swift and her upcoming marriage

Steeped in internet culture, I thought it was common knowledge that she is a narcissistic piece of shit, and that her marriage is at best a cynical ploy to stay relevant and at worst a sincere emotional attempt to conform to the standards of feminity. The consensus in my community is also that Kelsey is absolutely not into her at all, is probably cheating on her already, and the marriage is doomed, and G*d have mercy on the soul of whatever child is born from that union if it ever receives one.

So I blurt out, "I wonder what the odds are on her divorcing?"

And everyone stopped talking to stare at me, like, "What an awful thing to say," before continuing to talk, unaware that the conversation they were having was the result of millions of dollars worth of PR, and very much like Taylor Swift is a highly relatable human being and not a scarecrow stuffed with currency.

So it's not a class war yet, more like an unresisted occupation of zombieland.

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sh.itjust.works

I'd look at you weird too.

One, you sound far more invested in it than they are and they are probably just passing time talking about it.

Two, you're making a lot of assumptions about a relationship you're not in and have zero intimate knowledge of. Even if that were true it sounds like you are again, way too invested in it.

You can be against capitalism and all that as it is without looking cynically on absolutely everything, especially something so fundamentally unimportant as a celebrity marriage. Jmho.

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sh.itjust.works

Talking about the phony lives of billionaires like they're your friends: normal

Pointing out that the rich are not normal: weird

This is exactly the problem I'm talking about.

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If you're crazy and rich, you're called, "eccentric". I hope some lifelong schizophrenic homeless guy wins the biggest lottery ever known to man. From crazy to eccentric overnight

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sh.itjust.works

A corrupt system operates with the consent of the oppressed. We are all each other's jailers.

Free your mind, coppertop.

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sh.itjust.works

Or stop acting like a weirdo obsessed with something nonsensical.

How about how we don't have proper healthcare because of billionaires, continued subsistence of Israel, etc? Who gives a flying fuck about some dumb wedding?

You'd get further with your goals if you learned to talk like a rational person. I would bet you feel great though about how smart you are and how dumb everyone else is though which might be the more important thing to you.

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You're not seeing the whole war.

We don't tax billionaires because they are Wise and Good People, otherwise they wouldn't be rich!

Until billionaires are seen as the mentally ill individuals they are, they will continue to take over governments, benefit themselves, and send us to early deaths to grow their wealth.

And yet here you are arguing with someone on your side so the Taylor Swift can continue to be America's Sweetheart unmolested. Doesn't that make you a little bit curious about underlying social and psycological gears that run the machine?

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I've lost so many "left leaning" friends talking about politics instead of "insert show name here". We are going to hurtle ourselves into another Holocaust

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Warren Buffett even said that the rich were waging war on the poor back in 2013. Even then he said the rich were already winning

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lemmy.ml

Cops warn CEO bodyguards that Luigi Mangione Fever corporate f*cking greed could spark class war.

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And politicians legalizing their own corruption while working for lobbyists and against the best interests of their constituents

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feddit.org

"Spark" class war?
Some people exploiting and killing the less fortunate among us for decades is not an already ongoing class war then. Alright, probably because no one fights back. It has been a massacre from one side so far.

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feddit.nl

Spark?

Pretty sure he's a symptom of something that's been ongoing for a very long time now.

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infosec.pub

The police later told me the pilot light might have gone out letting out a little bit of gas. That gas could have slowly filled the condo. 1700 square feet with high ceilings. for days and days.

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lemmy.world

Can't believe I never saw that as anything other than something to move to the plot along. Great movie.

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lemmy.world

How dare those unwashed plebes fight back in the class war we've been fighting against them since forever?

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To be fair, when a pig is disobedient, the farmer is mad too. That's just how the elite class sees working people.

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fedia.io

“Public discourse increasingly attributes the challenges faced by the middle and lower classes to the actions and influence of wealthy corporate executives,” the fusion center memo says.

Because a lot of them are caused by the influence of wealthy corporate executives. They're legally bound to bring in profits for shareholders, but that doesn't mean they have to do it by being scumbag human beings, lesser than insects.

By warning corporate security outfits of the danger posed by average Americans who blame their problems on the actions of corporate executives, the report effectively dedicates public resources to securing a private system that has made the few extremely wealthy at the expense of the many.

What do they mean "effectively"??

This IS dedicating public resources to ensuring the safety of the wealthy view, and is metaphorically and literally at the expense of the many.

The “Quarterly Executive Threat Watch” bulletin warned corporate bodyguards to switch up the daily routines of execs, limit information on public engagements, and remove bosses’ personal information from the web. The report says bosses should “remain vigilant of lone offenders with personal grievances.”

“Following the fatal shooting of UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson and the current political climate, there is a heightened threat environment surrounding corporate executives,” the report says. “Online glorification of the murder of Brian Thompson and calls for violence are still apparent and further create a risk for a lone offender attack.”

Honestly, I don't think it's wrong to let these scumbags who chose money over humanity live in constant paranoia that the one of the many they've screwed over will eventually come out to get them.

If they wanted to live normal lives, they could have chosen a different, more ethical path.

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lemmy.world

Love how these public servants who have no obligation protect us yet are writing up reports for these particular individuals.

Abolish the police.

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Abolish the police Rewrite western society. Because that’s really what it comes down to if we’re gonna go that route. It’s like an endgame Jenga tower that no one wants to make the next move on and yet everyone wants to complain about how it ended up.

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lemmy.zip

As they say, every accusation is a confession. The cops would do it. They would go shoot health care CEOs if they got fucked the way many Americans get fucked every day.

They know the health care CEOs are evil pieces of shit, but they don't give a fuck as long as they don't get fucked over personally... Otherwise, the advice would be, "Tell your bosses to stop being evil pieces of shit, FFS."

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The cops would do it. They would go shoot health care CEOs

Cops will never be on the people's side in any situation. The one cop who entered Uvalde did it because his wife and kid were there. And the cops let him go in while holding back the parents of all the other kids, many of which were killed. Thats US cops in a nutshell-- every time, every situation.

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piefed.social

its why police and fire fighters have pay and pensions like its the 70's still while teachers do not. its funny to watch old shows and movies that talk about. on a police mans salary. back in the day when their pay was typical of workers pay.

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lemmy.ca

Are you speaking of US teachers? Because western Canada here the teachers are paid quite well and have a pension.

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yes. it can be decent here or not and does have a pension but the police and fire blow it out of the water.

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That’s why they get cushy six figure jobs with Cadillac benefits, untouchable union representation and paid training with no education and often through nepotism. It keeps them divorced from the reality of the majority

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lemmy.world

It’s not Luigi Mangione fever it’s the consequences of the rampant legalization of political corruption and pedophile parasite classes criminal behavior. It’s called accountability

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lemmy.ml

The struggle has always been and will always be vertical, between the haves and the have-nots. Do not let them divide us horizontally based on political affiliation, identity, race, or religion, it is a trap. While people are busy infighting, they fail to look up. Divide and conquer remains the oldest trick in the book.

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reddthat.com

“challenges faced by the middle and lower classes”

Who's creating these challenges? Maybe don't start shit if you don't want to deal with the consequences.

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Warren Buffett said in 2013 that he rich were waging a war on the poor in the US and that the rich were winning

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feddit.online

Oh please, class war started a long time ago, and it had nothing to do with weegee.

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Class war has not started, it's been one sided forever. The other side has been distracted by race wars in order to not fight back.

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fedia.io

Sure, that's why we're getting paid as much as CEOs.

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lemmy.world

They didn’t say we were winning a war, just that it already started.

And by “already started” that means the rich have been abusing us through professional and legal exercises, as well as undermining us through propaganda, long before Luigi came along. The war’s been on-going for ages, even if members of the working class only recently realized it.

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Warren Buffett is on record in 2013 stating that the rich were waging a war on the poor and that the rich were winning

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lemmy.zip

good. i hope every millionaire-billionaire-trillionaire is kept awake at night out of fear.

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lemmy.dbzer0.com

Eh, you can "earn" a million dollars ethically. Let's keep anger focussed on the correct class'

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Epstein was a millionaire too rather than a billionaire.

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Sanguinereply
lemmy.dbzer0.com

I can't believe I have to come out here defending the wealthy, but literally no one is talking about eating millionaires; you lowered the bar too low.

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lemmy.world

You think we should keep Epstein--a millionaire--out of it when talking about the Epstein class?

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No, don't be dense. Black and white thinking all around. Yet again needing to teach some of you about spectrums and some bonus content on intersection analysis.

Idk much about Epstein's net worth, but let's assume you are correct that he was just a millionaire (I don't know any millionaires that cold afford private islands, jets, massive ranches, etc... So if he was a "millionaire" I assume that figure was closer to one billion than it was to 999k). On the wealth scale of whether he would be an entree at the proverbial eat the rich cafe, he may have only been an appetizer, but when you also consider how he weilded power and influence he very quickly moves towards the main course.

To prove my point that you are already looking at these people on a spectrum and considering their whole of existence, let's look at Valves Gabe Newell. He is a billionaire, owns private yachts, the works, on the wealth scale, for sure he qualifies but when you do other intersection analysis you find you kind of need a different category to put him in. It just doesn't intuitively feel right to put him in the same basket as bezos and the rest.

To make my initial point fair, there are certainly some millionaires that deserve to be on the shit list, your example about Epstein if literally true is a good one, but the blanket, all millionaires is a non starter. There are entirely too many people that can make that kind of money without sacrificing any sense of their morals.

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lemmy.dbzer0.com

If CEO's are allowed to bleed poor people dry, why not the other way around? If you bring pain and misery, illness and death onto others, maybe you deserve the same.

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Aulireply

Cause people are lazy and like it easy.

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Citizens united ruling was over 20 years ago. Luigi was on the front lines of an ongoing conflict.

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Dodge vs Ford, which is even worse than Citizens United was enacted in 1919.

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discuss.tchncs.de

Surprising that the plebs refuse to just lay down and starve.

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Don't worry about it, you'll be fine. Feel free to lower your guard and relax. Especially in public. You'll be totally safe.

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lemmy.ca

The billionaires squeezing the populous tighter and tighter caused the class war. Luigi is just one of the matches that will light the flame, if they continue to squeeze tighter.

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1789 France? The folks that are not in the upper class, should remove their stupid thin blue line flag BS, because the police are going to take it out on the middle and lower classes. US history offers plenty of examples.

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There's basically no activity for the last month and a half or so. Either this was also a bit of a fad or the site's being manually maintained and its creator has things happening in their personal life that's keeping them away from it.

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This is the police trying to suck up to CEOs for a lucrative collaboration. The good old "you protect us we protect you" deal.

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Americans don't have the stones for it. They are like caged chickens, boasting about descending from mighty dinosaurs.

There is no safer country for CEO than USA.

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lemmy.dbzer0.com

Internalize that financial pressure is violence being done to you, by a group of people, intentionally

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lemmy.world

The class war doesn't need a spark. It has been going on for hundreds, if not thousands, of years. Except usually most people pretended to ignore it and didn't participate. Now it's [once again] getting really difficult to ignore it, so there's little choice but to participate.

Standard societal cycle of the elite class enjoying some 200 years of comfortable life, then going too far and getting pushed back. Though as time goes on, each cycle seems to be shorter. Maybe some time in the future it'll be gone entirely?

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I don't see that happening until you can consistently get future generations to think about and continue enforcing a fair society. A good habit built by their parents may get passed on to their kids, but then the kids need to keep passing it on. Easier said than done on a person to person level. Even harder on a societal level.

Good people don't tend to push back until you push them too far.

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It won't happen. I thought at first it might become a trend, but the sentiment has come and passed.

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We're fucking fed up with the passive violence they fuck us with every single fucking day.

Repeal Dodge vs Ford, repeal citizens united

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Oh. So it's not the corporate boot on the collective throat of the citizenry that pushed us here? It was Luigi all the time? I'm starting to think that all the media is owned by billionaires!

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No, it'll be AI that does this.

I mean, two nice things are welcome, though. I'm okay if we do both. I just don't have hope in it happening.

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Honestly, Brian Thompson couldn't afford to go to the same schools as Luigi Mangione.

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The modern internet unfortunately is not kind to this type of sentiment. Does anyone have links to on-the-ground footage of events like the one where the pic in the article was taken?

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They're a bit late, aren't they? Os everyone waiting until the police have managed to get themselves sorted out satisfactory, so the games can begin?

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Hang happened yet don't see it happening.

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Delusional. American business and leadership ideology causes the class war. And I'm sure a class war will be used to further fuck up humanity for those already in power. The same as ever, nothing gets done happens if it doesn't benefit them.

Americans citizens, the regular average human being here, are like toddlers caged in a play pen with toys, unaware of the reality of the adults around them that control their world. And they take pride in it. Same probably goes for other nations.... It's all the same evil. Mainstream or street. Legal or illegal. It's all the same game just scaled differently.

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lemmy.zip

"Everything is fucked, no one cares"

Fuck off doomer. Do something or get the fuck out of the way.

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Says the person who's top level comment has -20 at the moment. No one here thinks I'm the unstable one. Nice try though!

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