And yet they didn't learn a goddamn thing
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2 about to quickly realize how much of 1 and 3's tax dollars they depend on.
Exactly. Was gonna say, 2 basically has the least healthy, least educated, most poor, and most obese people of the entire country.
Good luck
Right wingers taking notes: plenty of meat for the grinder. Check.
On the other hand, their reps control the federal government and the US military, unfortunately.
Can't control much without federal funding.
okay Hunstville is an outlier. I claim Huntsville for territory 1
"But we got all dem Gravy Seals! Ain't they good for somtin'?"
Yes, and you give yourself da Beetus buying soda with the food stamps paid for by New Yorkers.
The sad part is how hard the South committed to losing. Not lost take the L and walk it off. Generational losing. Epic, century-long losing every single fucking day of every life of every redneck, cracker-ass dipshit. Systematic losing, so deeply ingrained that even when they get ahead a little bit, one fucking Yankee asswipe cons half of them out of their every last dime. And they're glad to give it up.
Roman empire levels of tragic, really.
If they could read and comprehend it better they'd be really upset.
But they can always pull themselves up by their bootstraps, right?
Nah, they can’t
They'd have to bring back slavery to even possibly make it viable
They'd also probably turn into a raiding culture
All those fat greasy doomsday prepper types love to advertise just many supplies they have stocked up. They'll be the first ones raided.
in what world are 1 and 3 fighting each other?
The imaginary world MAGA lives in where everything makes sense and runs on vibes
Yeah, they aren't, lol
I honestly think you take the bordering states of 1 and 3, and give them to 2. And the rest form a united 1.
Basically, putting 2 between a hammer and an anvil
New Mexico, Colorado, Maryland, and New Jersy are not about to join the neo-confederacy. Maybe Indiana, Ohio, and Pennsylvania if the new POTUS is a black gay trans woman from Michigan who promises to ban chikd marriage.
PA is already way too big as it is, they should split it into 3 states
Utah joins and there are constant skirmishes in the rural Colorado regions that are sympathetic until CA puts Utah under control
Honestly Utah, Wyoming, Montana, both Dakotas, Idaho, and the eastern parts of WA and OR
Hardly anyone lives in those areas though. And the cities in those states are still really blue/left.
I mean that's the case in nearly every state. Cities mostly lean blue, rural areas red
Yeah but Wyoming has like half a million people in total, the Denver metropolitan area has over 3 million alone, and plenty of the rural places are blue or not red anyway.
They’d have no chance if the left took up arms at equal rates (I know, it’s a dangerous assumption). It’s also why our congressional representation is so fucked up.
There are a lot of red states and blue states in both 1'and 3. No way Ohio joins Delaware but they're in the same group.
Well, they're saying 1 and 3 would fight 2, but that's the end of my understanding here.
we're fighting over who has to take utah
Why are they claiming Virginia? They've been leaning against all the other Southern bullshit for a while now
If conservative voters were able to comprehend the world without the lens of the stereotypes they learned in high school, they wouldn't be conservatives.
But they sat in class, ignoring the teacher, being bored and disruptive saying constantly "When are we going to use this?!" Everyday motherfucker.
Because they’re stuck thinking 150 years in the past.
Tbh, 1 gets NOVA and the rest of the state may as well be South Carolina.
Grew up in Virginia, from and currently live in South Carolina.
Nova and Hampton roads go to 1. The rest of the state goes to 2, but it is definitely not SC. SC actually has black and Latino populations, and a pretty solid chunk of blue voters. Rural Virginia has neither, and is basically east-east Tennessee.
Yeah, this is way more accurate than what I said. Fair.
Absolutely wild that the Confederate States of America was literally conquered and disbanded, and yet they were allowed to keep the flag.
That's not even the Confederate flag, is a specific battle flag of some shit battalion that obviously lost.
Yeah, I did know that. But tbh, most of the dipshits flying it don't even know that.
They can fly a dirty white dishcloth any time they want
It was the 1915, Hollywood movie 'Birth of Nation' that re-invented and restarted the whole southern states thing. One, of only a handful, of movies that year, almost the entire population of the U.S.A. watched it. This was when full length movies a medium was still new and influential.
This is the more important fact here that we absolutely and royally fucked up on
Fucking traitor scum
They're idiots if they think that any sort of civil war would be broken up like that. It'd be the interior states versus the coastal states essentially. The coastal states could just cut off all outside shipments to the interior and watch them just decay.
And there wouldn't be an all out war because the ideologies at contention here aren't readily segregated to one area of the country or the other in a stronger fashion. We're highly mixed in a lot of areas. What would happen is lots of civil unrest and let's be honest here, right wing perpetuated violence.
This.
They also think they'd be the 'majority' in this fight. And sure, they'd have a lot of land. But people... Money? No.
When Biden won, something like over 80% of the GDP broke for the Democrats.
Good luck funding a war with 20% of the money they country makes. There's counties in California that make that much probably.
I was going to say "this is yet another one of those 'land doesn't vote' maps".
They dumped a lot of conservative states like Utah, Wyoming, and Montana into group 1, but group 1 has California. That's where the people are.
My neighborhood in LA has more people than Wyoming and Montana.
Also this.
I was just going to say, "who has the GDP?" Because that's what wins a modern war.
California has like 1 in 8 of all Americans, and we're the single richest states. The south is still pretty much the same place it was after their last attempt at this war.
Problem: interior statesia has shipping via the great lakes/Ohio River and the Mississippi River. And that big ol coastline in the gulf of motherfucking Mexico. It's easier to blockade them, but they're not landlocked
It's hard to imagine us (Canada) allying with that faction. The St. Lawrence seaway would not be neutral, i expect.
Yeah and there is also the erie canal. Or there was. I dunno I don't live there. But that seems like a great place to fall victim to ferry pirates
You're right about the interior not being completely landlocked, but the Mississippi isn't as navigable as you might think. The vast majority of cargo ships (pretty much anything designed for the open ocean) isn't going to make it further north than Baton Rogue because the river is far too shallow. Baton Rogue is a fine city (New Orleans too), but they simply don't have the infrastructure to support multiple states in the middle of a war, not to mention the blockade that WOULD exist. This was even a problem both sides had to deal with during the Civil War; it's not a new development, and its not something that can be fixed without an enormous amount of money and manpower. Plus there are LOADS of hairpin turns, narrow passageways, and other complications that make operating multiple barges in any one location a nautical traffic jam exceeded only by the Evergreen/Suez fiasco.
The Great Lakes have some of the same issues, but like others have already pointed out, it's highly unlikely that Canada would just sit back and let multiple feuding parties pass by their major population centers without SOME form of intervention. Idk, they're definitely a wild card, but this argument is entirely dependent on whose side Michigan (specifically Detroit) would choose. If they choose to support the 'exterior states' then there goes your best northern interior port just like that.
Lastly, all of this is ignoring that we have aircraft and carriers now, rendering most of these considerations pointless. Even if the military itself chooses to stay out of it for whatever reason (unlikely), the existence of airpower is sure to make any future American Civil War 2 a lot more complicated, even if it's just random dudes in Cessnas dropping pipe bombs or whatever else
I doubt Texas would go along with the rest of the South for long anyway. Ignoring the left lean of the big cities, Texans have a particular attachment to the idea of independence and given the opportunity would likely throw their weight around. (They are, after all, the land that seceded from two countries in order to keep their slaves)
If the country fractures I think it would be into ~7 pieces.
1 because California
The yokels simply don't realize that all those fancy military toys they like to harp on about are designed and made in Redondo Beach at Northrop Grummen.
Skunkworks, NG, and a ton of the actual MIC is based in California.
That and a geographic fortress of the Rockies, dessert, and the plains, plus economically+ manpower + a better relationship abroad. Water would be the big choke point, but they have enough to get into desalinization if they need too.
Shit. I wonder if I should move.
i mean it's gorgeous out here when it's not on fire or raining spiders
How stable are the climate predictions? Is it far enough South to avoid the boil over the next two decades?
uh, north. we're going north.
Like hell you are. Builds wall along the Columbia
Hey. I have tacos
California fucking rules man I love it here.
Texas is the state with the 3rd most US defence spending. Virginia and Maryland are numbers 2 and 4, but you have to guess that it's headquarters there close to Washington DC and the actual manufacturing might be done elsewhere.
Sure but look at the other states surrounding Texas. They're poor as fuck.
I'm fairly sure that part of the reason the military and contractors are so spread out, that and sharing the economies that come with them.
The southerners wouldn't even survive a proper winter the north gets.
A lot of them won't survive this summer.
On no anyway
I think you're thinking of Europe lol
I do not want a civil war.
Nor do I, but history rarely cares what the Common Man™️ wants. Get connected with your local community, and get involved in local politics. It's more important now than ever before.
Yeah, it's not common for people to get involved in their communities and with local politics. There's like 30 of us in my city of a lot more than 30 that do both. If you want to influence things, you have to be extraordinary and following @[email protected]'s advice is a hell of a great start to getting there.
I think the people who call for civil war have no idea the abject horror of what they're actually asking for
If popular sovereignty (the right to vote) is denied or suppressed, there could be one.
Millions are banking on the midterms and 2028 to get out of this mess we're in... If that's taken away and it appears that the current administration will continue to rule in violation of the constitution, then the social contract is over with
West Virginia exists because they didn’t want to be apart of that bullshit, though I suspect they’ve lost their way in the last couple of generations.
I was going to say as much. WV flipped hard in 2000. But it's simple to understand - WV has always been pretty socially conservative, but was Dem because of the unions. They flipped because the Dems decided to turn on the biggest union industries in the state. The coal miner's union isn't a good base for your power when you're overtly talking about actively working to destroy the coal mining industry. To be clear about how much WV cares about coal, it's the state rock and there's a coal miner on the state seal. The libertarian bent of a lot of GOP doesn't hurt either, Montani Semper Liberi and all.
Democrats didn't "turn on" coal, they recognized that it was a collapsing industry doing immeasurable damage to the environment and it would inevitably be phased out. The union failed to account for the future and threw a tantrum about it rather than negotiate re-training or any kind of transition plan.
Not only that but the government offered retraining programs for people who lost/were going to lose their jobs due to a decline in coal. From the outside the "my pa was a coal miner, I'm a coal miner, and my son will be a coal miner" attitude made a lot of those programs not as effective as they should have been.
So they turned on coal. It is out of fashion purely because of political pressure. There's still a ton of coal in the ground and many people don't believe that carbon dioxide does anything but make plants grow faster. We're talking about a gas that is .0004 in our atmosphere. The climate predictions are always wrong. The science is not settled, modern coal plants are very clean, and it is an affordable energy source.
The science is very much settled, if anything the global warming predictions weren't alarmist enough, but I shan't waste my time and energy trying to change your mind.
Huh, maybe you're thinking of different predictions. None of the ones I'm thinking of came true at all. We still have ice at the poles. Florida isn't underwater. Not that the wind patterns aren't shifting, and yes some places are a little hotter. But not so much hotter if you remove the adjustment they did to the historical data. Where I live, although it is hot this week, the temperatures aren't abnormal and our last fifteen years have been below average temps.
While unfortunate, it's not like keeping coal is even remotely viable. So it was kinda inevitable.
Last time I drove through WV, there were confederate flags on a lot of porches.
I remember when I got my CDL and started driving OTR. I got my license about 4 months before Covid locked everything down. Once the lockdowns started it was kind of surreal. Ontario was empty. NY, Pennsylvania, Maryland and Washington, the highways were so quiet.
And then I crossed into Virginia. It was like driving through a portal. Cars and trucks everywhere. It looked like it was Black Friday sales. NO ONE gave two flying fucks about the international reality.
It really solidified my opinion on how utterly stupid Americans as a population are.
I'd have stayed home but nobody was paying my bills for me during it.
There might be a momentary advantage where 2 come out of the gate strong, as they have their stockpiles of weapons and ammo they obsess over. But they'd peter out the moment their blood pressure and cholesterol meds get depleted and the everyone else rolls their eyes and gets to down to business.
“Weapons and ammo stockpiles, you say? Hold my Spotted Cow.”
- The Midwest
10am, first day of civil war: everyone goes home for snackies and doesn't come back, citing the heat.
Covid has shown that even a mild disruption in supply chains, and things start to grind to a halt. Imagine no function shipping ports, airports, jammed airways, no trains, widespread Internet and banking app outages.
Fun/not so fun fact, the two counties in the 48 contiguous states with the most guns per capital are both in Idaho. Then comes Wyoming and Montana. Plus these states are statistically in better physical condition than the south. 2 loses in every scenario, and quickly.
2 has been losing for generations already.
Per capita concentration is one thing but what happens when factoring in total populations?
A single squad with a million guns isn't winning against a battalion with a battalion's worth of guns.
Which funny enough is exactly what they said in the civil war
At least for the first 3 years.
THE USA would not break apart like that. The red oblasts would suck Texas dry and the whole damn thing would end in a financial and economic calamity. The Blue States with their GDP would form a union and align it with Canada to create another "European Union." A civil war would not worth a single American bone, just break it apart like the Czechs and Slovaks, peacefully.
Think of the exodus from the US to Canada. Most people in the USA, 99%, just want their ordinary life.
Stay the fuck out. We don't want cowards who'd sooner run than fight nazis.
Odds are good you're much closer to D.C. than I am, get to work hero!
As of now, you're still enabling Hitler and sitting at the table with Nazis.
Yep, get defensive and belligerent rather than look at yourself. Very on-brand.
Based on behaviour to date do you seriously think the MAGAts will allow a peaceful split ?
The group who rolled the military into blue states on a bullshit pretext are going to let their cash cow go free ?
I don't think so Tim.
The biggest nuke bases are in the north. Albeit in the reddest states. But, that's a pretty big deterrent.
They don't really have a choice.
They will be slaughtered, Billy.
The only advantage they have is "Jesus", which, as we all know, is actually a disadvantage (though they are blissfully unaware).
Al, not Billy. Al Borland was the "Home Improvement" sidekick with the catchphrase "I don't think so Tim"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3d5zhv2TDag
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Home_Improvement_(TV_series)
Well, I think you're wrong, but I hope you're right. Quite frankly I'd like to see the MAGAts sorted in the way the Confederates ***should ***have been sorted.
However I don't think your equation adds up. You have a base assumption in there that the US military will swap or schism to support the blue states and I don't think it's going to work out that way. Militaries dont easily or lightly turn against their leadership - not even ones as badly treated as the Russians (and the US military are a thousand percent better treated than the Russians), and if you walk into any military base it's Fox News you'll see on every TV not CBS or ABC. The military has always primarily voted rightwing and heavily did so at the last election iirc. There are certainly veterans who are anti trump but that doesn't make them the majority.
My opinion is there will be some rebellion which will be quickly put down.
Can't prove it either way, neither of us can. So I think your version is hopium, but I hope you're right.
Well 1 has most of the nukes, money, and food, as well as a really strong natural barrier. And 3 already beat 2 for reasons that remain relevant. So yeah. 1 and 3 ally to curbstomp 2.
1 is upwind, which matters a lot for Ukraine
lol how are you holding onto the nukes, money and food?
You guys can't even fight back from the comfort of your fucking computer chairs. Get fucking real. The first sign of confrontation, everybody is just going to try to migrate out.
just keep drinking your lead water buddy...
Do you have any reason to think otherwise?
Well considering they know they have all those things they would be secure knowing they aren't worse off compared to the south,
2 lost to 3 last time,
2's states don't actually provide the most soldiers, especially if 1 and 3 group up on you.
Texas has a decent likelihood of actually telling 2 to go Fuck themselves and doing it's own thing as a 4th faction if it thinks it can become trading partners with 1 and 3 or just might free ball it like they've always go on about,
Florida would lose a lot of its appeal of being apart of the objectively worst section of this brake up and lose a lot of its power and would no longer be a playground for the rich, or worse, they just end up under they're control.
either 1 or 3 could ask Canada for help (though they would likely want to keep the states broken up for a while.)
2s state leadership doesn't take care for its inferstructure, hence me telling you to go drink lead water.
most of 2s states actually lose money, not make it. you can see this in there tax to rebates ratios, which will take a hit.
Plus all the obvious fall out from braking apart and having the awful reputation no 2 has, people will likely not side with you diplomatically.
And these are just the obvious ones, I'm sure there are more I not thinking or know about.
1 has a big chunk of the active nuclear weapon stockpile, I don't think they're a group we want to fuck with.
A civil ar in the us wouldn't look like the last. There is no front lines, it would be more similar to Rawanda. One side has been nice enough to fly a flag to let us know where they are. Pay attention
And Syria and the Balkan civil wars
They would try to take Atlanta and then their loss would have them running for the hills.
of course we'd get stuck with the Lego thieves🙄
Hey! I live in Portland and I haven't stolen anyone's Legos.
Save for Jase, but he deserved it for being a whiny little bitch. He can go have his hot lunch in the Teacher's Lounge... fucking brown-noser.
Also, I'm 38.
Oh, not in Portland, no, it's a Salem expression
Yeah I got some issues. Kentucky never seceded. It was settled by southerners who fought for the union and couldn't go home. They would be in grey, as would most of Tennessee. And Houston (bird god bless Sam Houston, shit on his enemies) would be a wonderful and welcome foothold for any anticonfederate bullshit. Utah, they'd be in red even if they were surrounded.
Also GNU Victor Willis
Shut your damn mouth. That's a psyop out of Edwards Air Force base...in California....
oh no one claims Kern County
I’ll allow it, but only if you show me the Etsy link for a ‘Bricks and Minifigs is a Fed Psyop based out of Edwards Air Force Base in California’ T-Shirt
US operates its nuclear arms across 11 states:
New Mexico: Hosts the largest stockpile of weapons at the Kirtland Underground Munitions and Maintenance Storage Complex.
Washington: Home to Naval Base Kitsap-Bangor, which houses the Pacific ballistic missile submarine fleet.
Montana: Features 150 active Minuteman III Intercontinental Ballistic Missile (ICBM) silos at Malmstrom Air Force Base.
North Dakota: Houses 150 active ICBM silos at Minot Air Force Base.
Wyoming & Colorado: F.E. Warren Air Force Base straddles both states, controlling another 150 operational ICBM silos.
Texas: Home to the Pantex Plant near Amarillo, the primary facility responsible for assembling and dismantling the U.S. nuclear arsenal.
Georgia: Base for the Atlantic ballistic missile submarine fleet at Naval Submarine Base Kings Bay.
Nevada: Nellis Air Force Base stores gravity bombs for nuclear-capable aircraft.
Missouri: Whiteman Air Force Base maintains the fleet of B-2 nuclear stealth bombers.
Louisiana: Barksdale Air Force Base is a key storage and operating hub for nuclear-capable B-52 heavy bombers.
I was going to say, there are strategic resources out there that are not at those AFBs and NBs (basically other military bases, refueling depots for example) that are, if not essential, damn important to Statesian nuclear response and deterrent. Just don't have firsthand experience so I have to go off some conversations I've had with AF pilots, and you know how they like to wind people up.
Also i had a grandfather who helped design the minuteman out at thiokol. You know if they have a decent museum near the base in Montana? I've been meaning to take the drive up to boseman. the old thiokol plant in southern utah was a trip.
I hope this guy uses this AI-made map in acting out his fantasy, because it is inaccurate AF
As much as I would want 1 to win, 3 would probably win.
2 winning is laughable. We would have sooooo many drone videos of giant MAGAs frantically waddling away from bring droned, mobility scooters set to emergency power in vain...... lots and lots of yellow in the aftermath videos.
If they were capable of learning from their mistakes they wouldn't be conservatives. Doesn't speak highly of the democrats though being unable to unseat most of them.
The Jan. 6 rioters were small business owners...but there is only so much that they can do if they teamed up for civil war. They would team up with Billionaires to kick the balls in of blue collar workers. The war would destroy state/federal institutions that license workers like nurses and doctors.
Essentially this war is about the Karens fighting to run an HVAC business with unlicensed workers. Eventually the licensed workers would be divided between those that can stand up to the mean Karens of he world vs. those that can't. Doctors, machinist, would eventually be paid by the state an o.k. wage, while HVAC and such would be run by gangsters. See Venezuela, Iran and old Chile.
"Unlicensed workers". Their final goal is enslavement or death of anyone who opposes them. Always has been, always will be.
Unfortunately, I think they won in the long run
The south will rise again...to get their welfare checks?
Not sure who is winning in this scenario.
Blacks have five times the incarceration rate than whites on average. This is not just in the red states either. Even the most progressive states have two times the incarceration rate for blacks.
Yeah, any amount of detail collapses this pre-school division. Drawing lines at State borders simplifies to the extreme how mixed up the political preferences really are. Just because its a Red district doesn't mean they all vote red, and vice-versa, etc, etc...
The meme is a good example of rage-tainment. Everybody gets their 5 minutes of rage no matter whose side they're on with this meme, and not a damn thing is added to the collective understanding. While we all get robbed and crushed.
Yeah, still at least in progressive states it’s an improvement but not prefect. At least the progressive states are trying to be better
Well here is the thing though. When I looked at the data the highest per capita was Wisconsin. Another high outlier was Michigan because of Detroit.
So it really is a mixed bag. I think this is why university professors talk about things like systemic racism.
It's because they have fewer limits on what they are willing to do.
Let's do it, seriously y'all cost more than you're worth, I will sign the petition. You're embarrassing, reds
No more money from New York and California, good luck you're too dumb to even do the math womp womp
I was going to say you're punish a bunch of left leaning people, but at this point maybe it'll kick some of those so called moderates to actually choose a side that benefits them.
Eh, the military isn't anything like it was 170 years ago. Currently Trump and his allies control the military, and I suspect they would ally with the south. I don't know, I feel like the country actually separating like that would be impossible anyways. During the civil war there would be people who still remembered the US being a loose collection of largely independent states. The US also didn't have a standing army back then. Of course communication and travel are also much easier nowadays and probably state politicians feel more allegiance to the national political parties. If it did happen, for there to be any lasting fight at all, the military bases would probably have to choose their allegiance based on their location. Which feels kinda unlikely to me, idk.
This is more like Brexit, lots of people think that they would make out better if there was war. Young guys in the far suburbs in rural areas that think they'll be running their own business if it wasn't for all the government intervention. Like in 90s Russia, gangsters with guns, and oligarchs would step in and skim off everything they could to another country.
Yeah well MY dad said that AK and HI would wipe the floor with 1 - 3 before morning coffee
oh yeah well my uncle works at Wartendo and he said that in a couple weeks we'll all get railguns mounted to our junk
Oh yeah? Well it’s pretty genius to name them railguns iykwim
Adorable; I'm betting on one, as a god fearing Westerner. Southies talk big shit, but even their shooters are gravy seals. Coincidentally, did y'all know a majority of the Armed forces are recruited West of the Mississippi? Food for thought.
California is a bigger economy than Texas, and includes a fuckton of defense contractors.
Although, to be fair, most of our manufacturing nationwide has been exported. I don't know if we actually make our materiel here in the states, still.
That's a good question. It should show up on Raytheon's or Northrop's or whatever defense contractor's audited financial documents, but I'm not sure. They'd probably try to obfuscate it but idk. I'll go read Raytheon if someone else wants to take another firm, I'm tired.
edit i fell asleep trying to read the annual report, so that's the answer i found
plus mexico can cut off all the free migrant/labors that flood the south.
Right now, the US is already experiencing reverse migration. More people are leaving the US than entering it. A lot of those people have degrees and expertise and enough wealth to afford the cost of emigration and re-naturalization in a new nation.
AKA Emigration
Despite this not being a post from Liam Neeson, I thoroughly enjoyed reading it with his voice.
Unfortunately 2 would win because they would have the backing of the entire fucking United States military with kegsbreath in control
They would view 1 and 3 as the traitors to the fascist Republic
Pretty hard to pay your army with welfare states. Also note CA has the most enlisted out of any state and would likely receive a lot of backing from Asian militaries.
Shit well that goes beyond civil war then If you're including other countries now
I mean even in the previous US civil war, Confederate ships when built in Great Britain, France fought proxy battles for the south through commerce and diplomacy, Mexico transported supplies to the south for France. Russia sent Navy ships that were to engage if Britain or France sent ships. Like, other countries absolutely get involved in civil wars one way or another.
Fortunately, they don't have the backing of the entire fucking United States military, as many tens of thousands in the military are from 1 and 3, and they will protect their families.
That's true. At that point honor to rank and superiors goes out the window
The dog catching the car...what do you do with something like NYC. Even if you win? Where do the new doctors graduate from? Nurses? Who certifies them? Same with electricians, carpenters, gasfitters, HVAC and plumbers? Those blue collar jobs would have their professional credentials destroyed, and be forced to compete with every general contractor... a race to the bottom. Sophisticated technology would stop operating after awhile, and with the loss of the supply chain and licenses/regulated manufacturing facilities nothing in the U.S.A. of substance would be built. Only those in the army would be paid. Essentially you'd get N. Korea, fascist Spain, Venezuela or an Iran, like country. Mass migration out.
Nah, historically militaries are loyal to the person signing their checks. Pretty much every state in the south but Texas is economically destitute. Private corporations would turn on the south so fast it'd snap their necks. No company would choose the market of 2 over 1 or 3, let alone both of them. California alone has enough buying power to shape regulation that's stricter than the fed.
The likely scenario would be NY and CA joining other coastal states and Chicago, and the red states glomming on to Texas and Florida, the major GDP centers of each "base." It'd be interesting to see what would happen economically there, since the red states overwhelmingly (ironically) use so much more welfare and social support programs. No judgement, I believe in social programs
I don't normally judge, but I do when people pull up the ladder.
Russia in the 1990s, Haiti, Somali, large occasional power outages. Things go on... Cities are so large that they still somewhat go on functioning; education, hospitals, public transport, local shops. Because what is there to do otherwise? Small bands of armed bandits cause most of the problems, but that never last too long, killing each other. Small regions that break off suffer the most, as resources in those locations get scarce, they get overrun constantly with armed bandits. Small communities start to protect themselves, eventually successfully, and work to re-establish relations with the larger cities.
Most people that can. leave. Wars then go on based on funding from outside interests.
history will repeat
More like 1&3 vs 2
3 because of Alaska and Hawaii
How much would Texas gas prices go up in this scenario?
Zone 1 has the most guns
I'm thinking that the Mormons in Utah would win. Isolated enough that what happens elsewhere won't be too much of a bother.
i wish the USA split like this, id even take it if 1 and 3 fused.
Honestly it would be really easy to burn the entire west to the ground, so much desert and dry forest. That's what we did to the south.
[Insert Goofy I'll fucking do it again meme]
2 things:
Yeah, and also keep Virginia, let’s make sure that the neo confederates don’t keep that state
Guys, did someone eat Maryland?
Ignorance can be corrected, stupidity is forever it would seem
I think 2 needs to remember that.
And the rest of y'all need to remember OREGON would win out versus any state. It was voted on. If we had our way, the US would be Cascadia and it would be glorious. BWAHAHA
I mean, yeah you got your butts kicked and it should have been worse! We still have to deal with BS from red welfare queen states-- learn the lesson already! >.>
They won, or were blacks treated as equals afterwards?
2 would have the population and firepower to take both. Two wins
They are also too stupid to know how stupid they are, and will make strategic decisions based on vibes and really dumb ideas.
Frankly, just cut them off from everything else, and wait. They'll be begging for help within a month. Wait a year before responding.
Florida wouldn't even be able to find Georgia on a map. What are you talking about?
Is it you, Steve?
😂😂 go back to facebook
says the guy using emojis on lemmy