Spyke

Oof I'm not even a sensitive person but this just made me wish this guy spontaneously explodes to shreds.

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The apple doesn't fall far from the tree.

Emerald heir Elon cultivated his entire worldview growing up in Apartheid South Africa with this guy as a dad. It should surprise no one that he's tossing out nazi salutes on national television when he feels emboldened to do so by a fascist deckhand president.

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lemmy.world

The rich just want to keep the poor at each other's throats so they don't look at them and see the real problem. I wish humanity wouldn't keep falling for this shit.

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lemmy.world

Humanity doesn't need convincing to hate the "other". A huge chunk of people are just stupid and/or emotionally immature.

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For sure, but the moneyed individuals like to stoke this up certainly know the value of keeping the working class distracted.

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Wow, it's like Peacemaker and his dad, only the son is also Peacemaker's dad.

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It’s so interesting that success isn’t measured by the well being of the citizens (ie: physical, emotional and mental health, financial and job stability/security, housing), but the color of the skin of the citizens. It’s such a dumbed down version of humanity.

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As a Native American we have been fighting against these white invaders since 1492 and we will never stop fighting.

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lemmy.world

believe it or not, there have only been white people in america for 300 years

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*European white

There were all levels of melaniated peoples here before colonization. Just none that couldn't tan. Those dark enough became the first slaves. Those light enough, covered up to keep the sun kisses at bay, and became "white". Everyone else was herded into the "Indian" label.

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Didn't White Jesus from Jerusalem magically teleport over before then?

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blujanreply
sopuli.xyz

Sorry, I googled it but nothing made sense, what is a wiling?

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feddit.uk

I seem to remember that there was a biography about Elon Musk that detailed his treatment by his father. It's not good, and I thought they were estranged for a long time.

You want to know why Elon is as fucked up as he is, you just look to this man right here.

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lemmy.world

He's said he left to get away from what was going on there and his father, but something might have stuck, or made him more susceptible to going down the bad road.

Like wtf is up with him refusing to acknowledge his daughter and dead name her and say the woke school killed his son.

Did being raised in an area with views do that, even though he tries to leave, or did he come to that entirely on his own?

Either way raised in it or not, people can change, and ultimately he has not.

Edit: also the timing with his daughter is around where things started changing outwardly more dramatically, and he's stated it was part of why he got into right wing politics.

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He was already very racist in private beforehand, and Vivian has talked about how he routinely tried to make her man up as a kid. Also all of his children were conceived using sex selective ivf.

He always had a fair bit of his dad in him. Very much the vibes of the dad who swears he'll never hit his kids like his dad did, so he just emotionally abuses them and starts to see his dad's perspective when his kids go no contact.

I think the big turn for him was his daughter being anti rich and the rise of anti rich sentiments in the modern American left. That and the lawsuits for racial discrimination in his workplaces

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aceshighreply
lemmy.world

People can be both a victim in their childhood and a perpetrator afterward. Our parents have a big impact on us, but it’s our personal responsibility to deal with the mess we inherited. Who Elon is today is entirely his own doing.

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People can be both a victim in their childhood and a perpetrator afterward.

Absolutely. At no point was I excusing Elon's actions. Those are his own.

Who Elon is today is entirely his own doing.

Disagree. He's the product of his own actions on top of his father's. With a better father he might be completely different. His father started him off with a fucked up set of morals.

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lemmy.world

The guy has all the money in the world. He can buy a big island, be happy, and be king dipshit of everything he sees. But no, he made a choice to keep being an insufferable nazi asshole to the rest of us instead.

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Baggiereply
lemmy.zip

I'm of the opinion that a lot of people if not most arguably don't really make a choice about who they are. They don't live with intentionality, they don't consider their agency, they just run on autopilot with the baseline personhood they were built with.

There's a good chance that Elon has never made a real choice in his life. He's probably one of the most pathetic people in the world.

Not to say that absolves blame, you're absolutely responsible for your own actions and lack of thinking.

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People need philosophy. I mean we all have a philosophy, but if you don't take the time to explicitly define yours, it just defaults to whatever you picked up along the way.

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titanicxreply
lemmy.zip

To many people blame the parents for what the person is as an adult. They may have influence, but they also have the ability to make their own choices. He's a fucked up guy so on his own. His father had very little to do with that.

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His father had very little to do with that.

Are you his fucking therapist? What an absurd claim to make with such certainty.

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wewbullreply
feddit.uk

It's just a coincidence they're both white supremacists then?

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You can be a white supremacist without you family, and you can break the cycle.

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Apparently on HBO Max, Season 3, Episode 22 of The Whole Story with Anderson Cooper

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This mf also believes in have as many kids as possible. Spreading his seeds in the gene pool. Hence Elon.

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You have no idea. The entire country manipulated by it.take a look at what's happening with the "xenophobia" running rampant right now. As it stands a deadline of June 30 has been set for foreigners to leave. Supposedly just the illegals, but mobs don't care.

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SailorFuzzreply
lemmy.world

sorry, adopted step-daughter. Errol Musk raised her since she was 4 years old.

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Musk's family is all pedophiles and Nazis. Like actual Nazis fleeing to Africa after the war.

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lemmy.world

Oh hey we should give this guy a platform

  • CNN fuckin apparently
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lemmy.world

Let's hope it becomes a "Sun is the best disinfectant" situation, intentionally or not.

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lemmy.world

None of these interviewers have the balls to actually press their interviewee on these topics.

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feddit.uk

Thats not the purpose of the interview, which is to shed light on the Musk background. Getting into an argument isn’t going to do that.

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lemmy.world

I wouldn't "argue" with Errol. I would just keep asking him to explain what he means in more detail.

Also, exposing Elon's father as an unapologetic racist does a lot to explain his behavior.

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He's old and close to death. I wonder what his final solution to that problem would be?

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I like the guy asking the questions and confronting this asshole, how could he keep his calm and not punch him in the face?

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wuffahreply
lemmy.world

Never interrupt an enemy while they are making a mistake.

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Just for posterity for anyone who doesn't know: the above is a real quote from Sun Tsu in his "The Art of War".

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here’s the rub on that. yes that logic normally works. but when this kind if pos “enemy” has all the money in the world, they need to be interrupted. often. and told to follow their nazi leader.

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Jo Miranreply
lemmy.ml

Why punch him in the face when the old ¢unt is punching himself in the dick on camera? Just let it happen.

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Realistically, what material impact will come from this admission? My money is on nothing at all.

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fedinsfw.app

"America in the next 20 years will become, the first time in its history, a minority white country." Paraphrased

Why is that bad, does Merica treat her minorities poorly?

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They did specify 'country'. I don't know enough American history, to argue when the country began, and when the genocide wiped out the first peoples.

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This fuck-face has a much worse interpretation. It will be worse because non-white people are primitive jungle dwelling idiots. Fuck him and fuck Elon musk.

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samus12345reply
sh.itjust.works

"America in the next 20 years will become, the first time in its history, a minority white country."

Good. The fact that anyone with a drop of "non-white" blood isn't considered white makes it inevitable anyway.

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aussie.zone

Do you have a source this is how it works in america? Isn't it based on census data where people choose how they identify?

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They’re referring to the ‘one-drop rule’, which was a real law here for way, way too long, and is still used by too many Americans as a basis to judge others.

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The way it works is vibes based on appearance. You either pass as white or you're not white.

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Clutch your pearls a little tighter, you nazi bastard, brown people exist.

Maybe you should try seeing them AS PEOPLE and maybe that would help you out a little? Or you could, you know, STFU.

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lemmy.world

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.

Declaration of Independence: A Transcription

This is what makes us American. Not our race, creed, color, religion, gender, orientation, or anything else that might divide us. We stand united in our beliefs of self-governance, equality, and the pursuit of happiness.

Elon Musk and his racist father can go straight to hell.

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Yes, and not only that, the very forefathers who signed this declaration enslaved the people it didn’t apply to for a long time after.

This bright vision of America is contrasted by the hypocrisy and failures of its leaders and citizens from then and to this day. But it is also upheld by brave people who dedicate their lives to correcting it, and the everyday citizens who participate in their government to shape that vision.

Musk’s ironic and oblivious endorsement of white colonization could be said to reflect the hypocrisy of the first colonizing immigrants to this land, and the founding fathers. But his words do not reflect their ideals as laid out in the Constitution and the Declaration. I think the first step in eliminating that hypocrisy is holding ourselves to those ideals today.

I think that while racism is an American tradition, it is not an American idea and so must be rejected out of hand. Musk may live here, and operate massive business interests intertwined with our government, and he may technically be a citizen, but he is not an American in my view.

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jatonereply
lemmy.dbzer0.com

yes, are you implying you'd prefer that americans continue that particular interpretation? or adopt the one this person is advocating for?

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quokk.au

I’m saying it’s a lie and always has been. Americans need to stop fantasising about the past. Same goes with the creepy reverence for the founding fathers.

Focus on the future and building a better world, not clinging to a past that never existed.

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quokk.au

No they should, that's exactly why they should ditch the tainted words of liars. You can strive for these things without clinging on to a rose tinted past.

Your nationalism is exactly why you are stuck struggling like his. It needs to die already.

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I was hoping to instill a moment of self reflection into you. but clearly that didnt happen.

The words / aspirations coming from a flawed group of men don't demean the nature of those aspirations. It simply means some things transcend cultures/generations. And I will note a fair number of the men involved in that whole process did aspire to them and wrote against slavery, for allowing women to vote, and other such things that align with your world view. surprise LGBTQ+ existed in the 1700s as well!

Nor do they necessarily invoke nationalism you're railing against.

You can strive for these things without clinging on to a rose tinted past.

what percisely is 'rose tinted past' about this paragraph? and which parts do you disagree with? be specific now.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.–That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.

On the one had you're 'yes of course they should aspire to the meaning of those words' and on the other your harassing an individual whose invoking them in the hope of inspiring people to actually live up to them.

Your nationalism is exactly why you are stuck struggling like his. It needs to die already.

America's*** not mine. see the distinction there?

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jatonereply
lemmy.dbzer0.com

no, it was irrelevant to their harassment of the person they were replying to. they were simultaneously attacking the person accusing them of essentially being an idiotic nationalist for literally espousing the exact same position. Trying to claim the moral higher ground for literally identical positions is fucking retarded.

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yes, and it was known from the start to be lies. lies are what makes us american. they knew “all men” meant “white and landed”. then a century later they “had” to give more equality so they sprinkle a little crack around and boom got some slave labor again.

fuck america in all its forms.

it was never a real place.

edit: if i sound pissed it’s cause i am. also remember “white” meant “not irish. not italian. not catholic. not gay.” all sorts of shit over time. musk is a completely irredeemable piece of shit.

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fedia.io

The US becoming a country with a minority of white people would mean it's healing. That's how it was at least 250 years ago.

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krashmoreply
lemmy.world

Lots of minorities voted for Trump. I wouldn't call that healing or anything approaching it.

What you're saying sounds an awful lot like "not white = good" and that's not any better than other kinds of racism, it just sounds better in our cultural moment. It's still racist though.

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No, it's non-majority-white = good.

The country's been obsessed with whiteness from its inception. There's nothing bad about white people being more exposed to non-whiteness.

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Sepporeply
sopuli.xyz

Racism isn't the answer to racism. Race amongst humans is a fucking farce propped up by people with no clue about biology or culture.

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prolereply
lemmy.blahaj.zone

"I don't see color" liberal bullshit.

The concept of race is made up, but the results of it are very real and you're a fool for ignoring that.

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Maybe this sad old guy would look at things differently if he had a little black in him, if you get what I mean 🤣

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"I'm gonna counter insane racist shit with insane racist shit, that'll totally work."

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That's one of the dumbest things I've heard someone who isn't the president say in months.

If I identify as black am I supporting black supremacy?

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Define "white" old man. Where I'm from, Africans don't count no matter how much they want to be, like Italians or Irish or anyone not Christian.

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