I complained to my mother that the new dentist hurt me. She said I was being over-dramatic. Months later, she went to him and told me that he hurt her. No acknowledgment that I'd complained of the same. Teenager, obv.
Dentistry has made quite a few leaps. When I was young fillings were metal. Now they are a putty that dries within seconds with uv light shine upon it.
I had the same for my last guard (to keep me from grinding teeth at night). The previous guard relied on a mold, which I swear loosened a filling that fell out a week or two later.
The tech is pretty amazing. They still need a drill though.
UV resin, basically, just super high resolution that makes it incredibly expensive (even the cheaper models used for quick check measurements by dentists cost $20k+ - that is, latest tech, brand new from manufacturer, before someone drops a link for a used unit from 2018 for 10 grand). But the sheer volume makes up for it, a single printer like that can be generating pure profit within a year.
Eh, I'm not sure about that. I have an Invisalign retainer and have been 3d printing for a few years now, and from the looks of it they just did a regular FDM printing of the teeth then vacuume-formed plastic over that. Having printed the same files myself (dentist was happy to give the scan to me), and seeing as the retainer has very visible layer lines on the inside (too thick for resin printing), that seems more likely.
I was thinking it had to be a resin printer. What I thought was curious was the potential for bacteria in the layer lines, I guess with this type of printer, whatever proprietary material they're using (lol), and the proper sanitation methods, it's probably not an issue.
Never trust a medical profession that hasn't changed their standard techniques since the Dark Ages. And it also explains why they didn't join medical doctors in the AMA and created their own ADA with hookers, cocaine and blackjack.
The dentist I use now is also a maxillofacial surgeon.
She discovered that my previous dentist was completely ignoring issues that would have left me toothless, lose part of my jaw, and even kill me with meningitis.
And the guy had made a TAC that clearly showed it all. Dude was laser-focused on getting just implants and more implants to rack those bucks, let tooth repair be damned.
I was lucky that the infection was kept perfectly isolated for years in a granuloma, because my freakishly high pain threshold kept me from noticing it at all.
I'm not going to a 'dentist' who just studied 'dentistry' ever again.
My kid's orthopedist had a saw that was a pizza cutter sized cutting wheel, and it stopped when it touched your skin. He demonstrated on his own hand before he started removing cast.
it stopped when it touched skin, or it didn't cut the skin?
the cast saws that I am familiar with have an oscillating motion that is small enough that skin just moves with the teeth instead of being cut by them. a saw that had sensors to know when it touched skin seems unlikely.
a saw that had sensors to know when it touched skin seems unlikely
I've never seen it in a healthcare setting, but that kind of safety mechanism is already a thing in larger saws - some pretty impressive demos on the web. Iirc it effectively destroys the machine if it goes off, but most of us would rather buy a new table saw than lose a few fingers. ...and that was the tech years ago, may well have improved since I went down that rabbit hole.
Saw stop still owns the patent afaik and has even stopped other similar techs from taking hold because the patent is so stupid generic... Iirc Bosch is one such alt that got shit canned. Last I knew saw stop was pushing for legislation to require the tech... Because they own the market.
(I am years out of date on this and going on memory... Pretty sure the legislation died)
While pulling teeth is still quite barbaric, replacing teeth uses quite a lot of modern technology. For example 3D scans and 3D printing are common tools in creating dentures these days
My dentist made impression for two front crowns and sent away to have them made. Meanwhile he made two temporary crowns in-house and glued them in. They looked and felt exactly like the ones that arrived two months later. I dunno.
Methinks I'd prefer that bacterial treatment that helps regrow teeth. Or the one that triggers the third set. Or the others I've heard of over the past few decades, that would be a cheap (mere pennies) one-time treatment, that curiously somehow never made it to market. Rather than being hozed of my wealth to give someone a bullshit job. Don't you just love the perverse incentives in this "economy"?
Still... it's very impressive, doing it the long way around, the hard way. And in our agnotologically abused state, oblivious to the suppressed cheap easy ways, it's so very very impressive, we marvel at the skilled class, and bow before them, pleading in desperation for their blessing us with salvation, as they're the one true god, of whatever it is they've anti-competitively cornered the market at.
"Wheeeeee. I'm so glad we're free, honey. What time's American Gladiators on. Are we missing it?"... <- somehow that Bill Hicks bit sprang to mind. Like akin to the "keep repeating, we are free", here we're induced to "keep repeating, we're in the future".
Yeah, have been reading about that for the last 20 years. Dentists are still just drilling and refilling holes or pulling teeth. Just like they did 200 years ago.
That's why I mentioned that they finally reached human trials. That's the last big step before they can be released. New technology needs time to go from the lab to practical use.
Dentists would rather kill a man than allow that to happen. There's too much money involved.
Dentists are the reason why they cost so much, why regular insurance doesn't cover them, and why they are exempt from the Obamacare rules like lifetime maximums.
My gf getting her wisdom teeth taken out was a super disheartening experience; the surgeon(s) she saw were super nice and did well but literally no insurance will cover it even thought it’s RECOMMENDED to get them taken out as preventative care.
Unless something very painful and dangerous is already happening most hospitals apparently won’t even take you seriously if you have state insurance and need your wisdom teeth covered.
They WONT EVEN FUCKING LET YOU GO INTO DEBT THEY JUST STRAIGHT UP SAY NO!!!!! For a 40 minute procedure that can literally save your whole jaw and all of your teeth!!!! 3000$ later and she still couldn’t get one extracted because it’s inside of her other tooth… but that STILL ISN’T a good enough reason for it to be covered by insurance, I guess it literally needs to almost kill you or make you loose a few teeth and jaw bone before most practices would consider you eligible, and it still ain’t covered because somehow it’s considered “elective surgery “.
Sorry for the rant this shit is getting me heated again to think about lol anyways ya fuck the insurance industry most dentists to the gulags etc etc
Your spleen wouldn't be very durable if it was being constantly being pressed against hard foods at around 30 psi multiple times a day for your entire life.
Not just mechanical stress, but sugars and carbohydrates in those foods feed the bacteria in the mouth, whose byproducts damage the enamel. Few people are blessed with teeth that withstand it, or mouth flora that is non-damaging, but there is no natural selection for that... Because we have dentistry, thankfully.
Unlike in the movies, doctors usually aren't trained in sonography. Sure they could figure out how to scan a prostate, but they aren't gonna go out and buy a fancy 3d ultrasound just for men over 45, and they aren't going to become, or hire, sonogram techs.
And I'd rather take a finger in the butt than have to have another fucking appointment. No pun intended, but it's one finger. Unless my doctor is Andre The Giant or E.T., I think I could handle it.
It's because it's right there and requires no special equipment to get the job done. I never really got why people freak out about a finger back there, you constantly pass fecal matter several times that thick through there. If they could fully check that a baby was ok safely with their finger they'd do it.
Look up how hip replacements are done. They use a saw, drill and hammer. Like how they hammer in the metal into the femur. You hear the metal on metal sound. Ting ting ting ting. Literally a body repair shop.
I had a tooth extracted a couple of months ago, and even though it wasn't my first rodeo (brush your teeth properly, kids), I was still amazed at how barbaric the process is. The dentist was only just short of standing on my chest so he could properly yank at it, all the while shards of exploded tooth were flying around the room.
Not as extreme, but one of my kids had to have a cavity filled. He struggles with some sensory issues, so I was staying close by to help keep him calm.
Knowing what happens and seeing your kid's tooth enamel getting drilled away are two... very different experiences. Like with you though, they were quick, clean, and precise!
First was the wisdom teeth. Still to this day unsure of if it was a result of the extraction, but immediately after she developed an abscess on her tonsils.
The abscess needed to be drained in the ER, it was so painful. And the draining was painful, too. Not like they got Novocaine there. And then she got her tonsils removed as a result.
Then last time she had an extraction, the tooth shattered below the gum line. Dentist had her for like three hours getting all the chunks out. Her jaw was sore for like a week, not only from the extraction but also from holding that damn position for so long.
Yeah..... Watching spinal surgery can be gnarly. There's a procedure to debris the spinal column before you install hardware called spinal flossing. You basically get a shop towel and wrap it around the spine and shimmy the towel like you're cleaning a bowling ball.
I saw a video of a knee implant extraction, and it was just one doctor hammering the living fuck out of the implant until he got tired and gave the hammer to the next doctor.
My dad had a recall on a hip implant so they cracked his femur open longways to get it out. Still has better mobility than pre-surgery.
Yeah, orthopedics is pretty much shop class but with more expensive tools and hardware. Bones are a lot tougher than what most people tend to think, so sometimes you just have to wack on the hardware with a big mallet to get them to release.
Yeah, it's a little stronger than reinforced concrete. Looks like they're trying to remove some old hardware that's been fixed in place by some osseointergration.
They make slide/slam hammers for this kind of work that makes it a lot easier and safer for the pt, but looks like they didn't have one, or didn't think they'd need it and didn't/forgot to prep one.
And my mechanic is less pushy than any dentist I've ever visited. They always seem to pull up some image and point to it and say see that out of focus area? Your particular insurance covers that, so your teeth will fall out next week if we don't address it right now, and youll never get laid again, you'll fail out of school and get fired from your job and be homeless. Oh - wait. You're insurance doesn't cover that? Then they wipe the grease stain from the screen and say you'll be just fine.
i have dental connections. what i understand is there are two different things to watch. there's a treatment that might be able to get your own body to grow another (final) set of teeth. theoretically humans can grow 3 sets, we stop at the second. that's in the works, sounds pretty painful. the other treatment is something that can regrow dentin or enamel or i can't remember it's been a while, but the one they'd be excited about is enamel so it's probably that? IIRC they both were coming out of South Korea, one in phase 1 trials and one still in animal trials.
this is me trying to remember off a conversation with my deceased dad's friend a couple months ago, so take it with a heaping heap of heaps of salt. my memory ain't all that great anymore.
Is it really that complicated? I was under the impression that toothpaste was mostly just a soft abrasive mixed with an antibacterial and some flavoring and scent. Basically like baking soda, which does all those things at once.
I'll keep pushing people towards the Four Thieves Vinegar Collective's Tooth Seal because it feels like the most advanced piece of preventative dental care I've seen in years.
That seems like the type of thing that would still need to be administered very carefully by an expert dentist. Look at the entire field of orthodontics or the product category of braces to see what happens when teeth grow in in the wrong number, position, or orientation. In theory, anyone can perform surgery on themselves with a scalpel they sterilize on their stove top. Very few attempt that for damn good reasons.
if you are a non-dentist, i would advise against it/. since you could do alot of damage to teeth, better of having a dentist clean it. most of the reviews on sites that sell these have customers complained it damaged thier enamel permanently, because they do it aggressively. same goes for whitening your teeth, people do it too aggressively. i almost bought one once until i saw the reviews, yikes, because you have to use a mirror to see your teeth while doing it, and might not know if that is tartar or just staining.
Could evade the eye laser with better nutrition and detoxification. There are other cymaticly cromulent technologies and techniques too, unused.
Don't get me started on mRNA. Maybe just try listening to the warnings of those who came up with it? Or the results? (We used to take products off the market that were even 100,000 times less harmful... Not to mention the various related plans afoot, not least of relevance with that, "operation lockstep". ... (Would have thought the eugenics ties of those loudest promoting it would have been sufficient reason to pause and reconsider [(or any one of dozens of other clues and red flags)], but then I underestimated how successfully the fear induced by the (as one middling insider was caught on camera years before saying) "once the terrorist thing wears off we're going to have people running scared of a disease without symptoms" plan would in interfere with our access to our considerate, critical, creative forebrains), and how successfully another mass formation [!!!} could be induced just as there was an accelerating (to tipping point) awakening to the prior one.
Dentistry, too, is merely the same as the others, in how it's held back for profit. How many times has there been an innovation in dentistry, denied in practice, in favour of painful and poisonous treatments that do not even restore tooth health. For example, if I recall correctly, there have already been over 3 different methods developed for regrowing teeth (at least one, since decades ago, cheap, safe, and it works ~ and would have all but obsoleted dentistry). Instead, the mercury industry keeps dentists crazy in the head, putting mercury in the mouths of their "patients", making them crazy in the head too, not to mention the devastation that does to the immune system...
For-profit healthcare (<- an oxymoron btw), protects itself with the maxim "A patient cured is a customer lost." (<- A sentiment more commonly chirped in prudent awareness and cautioning in decades past. ... I wonder what caused this utterance to have fallen out of such prominence. Edward Bernays springs to mind...)
The industry. It's a big club. You and I are not in the big club. They know what's good for them.
"It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends on him not understanding it." -- Upton Sinclair.
If you believe "we're living in the future", you have no idea how far we've been held back, "for profit". "For profit", too, a marketing mislead. It's "wealth extraction maximisation". Driving everyone but the best kleptarch towards total absolute destitution and beyond. Y'know we could have had [interstellar[!]] spaceships each since the 1930s, right? Follow the tech arc from Michael Faraday through to Nikola Tesla (and all the more quiet, less showy, between, and since). Even Nikola Tesla's innovations extended as far as health [~ indeed, throughout. Even his plan to power the world for free, was at frequencies etc that would be conducive to health. Cymatic cromulence. Mmmmm.]. Have you read the reports, the testimonies, or even experienced for yourself, the health benefits of, e.g., a Tesla Coil? Or any of many other energy based healing technologies? And yet, we're going to cite laser surgery, and mRNA as signs we're in the future? We're not even in the present, a century ago! In proclaiming these as signs we're in the future, we're no better than those who, in their respective times, insisted "more leaches!", or "test it on the little people".
Dig in to this topic. It may on one hand be daunting, how much can be taken from us, how much we can be held back, how much we can be deceived and made wholly obliviously ignorant [(~ "agnotology" is an eye opening field of research, even just to become aware it exists, let alone the vastness of its scope and scale of effect on the world, in abusive deployment, so long)]. But on the other hand, rejoice, at how much more headroom we truly have. :)
Things like (just off the top of my head) Lutein, Zeaxanthin, Carotines, Retinol, Creatine, and countless more are reported to have helped restore eyesight, along with many techniques, and conversely, in some cases, sudden blindness has been suspected caused by nutrient uptake blockers (including GLP1s), starvation, stress, and extreme diets. So, yes, diet very much can have a huge impact on improving or worsening sight. ... I'm struggling to comprehend where the incredulity in this could come from.
Fascinating world out there to explore, at our fingertips, still, despite efforts to censor and control narratives to protect wealth extraction maximisation, as the rules demand of the corporation, to "protect the shareholders".
Fun tip, add "ayurveda" to health/biology websearches. For just one way to get out of the corporate curated bubble, to a perspective that lets you out of "cannot see the forest for the trees".
I'm not opposed to laser eye surgery. It's just another example of an oz of prevention worth a lb of cure, and too often too soon reaching for the "cure" of a surgeon's knife (so to speak), when there are gentler, perhaps less acutely profitable, "alternative" ways, that have no monied incentive to promote.
The downvotes and replies to this have me wonder if the agnotological assault we're all under, is winning. The level of epistemology expressed... Where are we on Graham's Hierarchy of Debate with that? Mostly Adhominem? The irony, given the content already expressing in passing the awareness of "how much we can be deceived and made wholly obliviously ignorant", to have had such responses expressing such oblivion, doing the very thing. I didn't want to be that right. Maybe my fault, and I should have been more positive in what I manifested, right? Heh.
... And to think... I used to work in the agnotology industry. In "advertising or marketing" (before renouncing it when Bill Hick's saved me). I used to be one who would easily dupe people ("just doing my job"). It's oft corroborated true what they say: It's easier to fool someone than to convince them they've been fooled.
... especially with the UptonSinclairian duress... ("It's easier to get a man to understand something when his salary depends upon him not understanding it."), that we're all under, to some extents, in this perversely incentivised economy.
[Edit: Oh wait... Re-reading what that's responding to, that seems non-sequitur of some sort, since I was already lamenting the absence of curiosity and genuine (not mere rhetorically dismissive) questions.]
You never stopped to ask if those who tell you these conspiracy theories about Tesla & Co. have their own agenda. For example selling books or some useless "apparatus". And no, citing some fallacies or abusing the thesaurus doesn't make the things you say sound any smarter.
Thankyou for your response. However you're responding to a comment encouraging curiosity and questions, without any curiosity and questions, about which, I have much curiosity and many questions.
You never stopped to ask if those who tell you these conspiracy theories about Tesla & Co. have their own agenda.
What led you to this determination that I had never done that?
Is that to imply that having their own agenda means their accusations are false or something?
Maybe you missed it earlier, but the term "conspiracy theories" has already been ousted as having the effect of dissuading scrutiny [e.g. of the guilty]. Is this your intention? Or is this satire? Or is this simply the first time you've encountered the idea and had not yet entertained the possibility?
What "conspiracy theories" about "Tesla & Co"? Is that referring to the Tesla company owned by Musk? Or about Nikola Tesla?
Your opening assertion that could have been a question, is a mite muddied and confounding. Did it seem straight forward to you when you asked it? Upon re-read, have you noticed these issues I've raised? And that seems fair?
For example selling books or some useless “apparatus”.
Is this mere speculative conjecture? [Presumably] Not knowing who "tell you these conspiracy theories", you therefor also know not what else they're doing.
I know this is just an example, but, does it have to be so heavily weighted, leaning to confirm your conjecture, in how they're "useless"? Aware and intended that was a poison seed? (~ A fallacy I succumb to making often too.).
Again, wondering if you think this is of relevance... like a refutation hinges on this side criteria. This is intended merely as a invite to consider the circumstantial, right? And not as if this refutes the possibilities beyond all valid and sound consideration?
Would be nice if we could get access to the suppressed technologies. Or even if those who write books on such topics could even make their print fees back. Most who speak on this topic are not selling anything. books, useless apparatus, nor let alone the emancipatory technologies themselves. Those most likely to first encounter, I imagine would be the loudest, and thus also, the most likely to be managed opposition shills. The quiet empathic sort, tend not want the limelight, merely want the benefit to the world, and that's an easy loud contrast to look out for... who are the fevered narcissistic egos who want the attention, who loudly peddle the bombast and future-fake their way to get all the hopium hopped up in your minds. In a sea of misinformation, everybody's a shill, for sure. But that does not mean one can then evade that problematic situation by proclaiming to have found the one true truth. Experience teaches that's much much more likely a sign you've been duped, rather than have genuinely found the one true truth. Like the old saying goes "listen to those who seek the truth, run from those who claim to have found it.". Well, I'm not going to do just quite that. That'd leave those who claim to have found the truth, both in their curated echo chamber, and, risk spreading that arrogant presumption and epistemological fail to others. Like the scene in Akira: "It must be a trap." "Then why are you still going!?" "I want to find out what kind of a trap it is". All that to go the long way around to asking... Would you not want to scrutinise books on that topic, and test apparatus, rather than just dismiss it off hand in presumption to know they're bunk because presumably they're up to no good, just in it for the money or fame or whatever thing besides honest interest? [~ and not use that presumptive dismissiveness to extend to a non-sequitur adhominem character assassination and transitively dismissing whole fields of research?]
And no, citing some fallacies or abusing the thesaurus doesn’t make the things you say sound any smarter.
That's fun. It's also irrelevant. IDGAF how it makes the things I say sound. I renounced that manipulative crap 24 years ago, when I renounced my career in advertising. Much more interested in the epistemology these days, and the search for truth, and pegagogy. So, fun as that gaslighting is, in attempting to dissuade having fallacies pointed out, I'll carry on pointing out fallacies. If it stings, that's your ego, been deceiving you, keeping you from truth, preferring it's own delusional comfort. If ignorance is bliss, give me agony.
Fallacies... some noted, even in that brief 3 sentences... Ad hominem, genetic fallacy, appeal to motive, strawman, dismissal, poisoning the well, appeal to cynicism, false dilemma, and likely more yet. Any fallacies you can spot I've made? Very eager to have what's in my shadow shown to me. Would not want to be ignorantly going around as one of those messers mucking up society, deluded, thinking my thinking's sound when it's not even valid.
Was this even a concern? Like, was it implied anywhere that citing fallacies or "abusing the thesaurus" were making the things I say sound any smarter? Just wondering: why even bother with that ad-hominem arguing tone with apparent implied accusation?
When I was 14, after learning my verbal iq's only 90 (~ annoying small apperture for my 180 visual iq, trying say the pictures that say a thousand words), I made the foolish error of thinking that if I expanded my vocabulary, I'd be able to communicate my ideas better. Alas, much like how the Socratic method fails in the face of the stubbornly ignorant who refuse to even entertain and answer questions, this notion of an extended vocabulary helping communication fails in the face of those who not only do not share your vocabulary, but have no interest in expanding theirs with curiosity. Not that you were owed an explanation there, but, I thought that might help expand conception of the possibilities beyond the reactive judgemental. We've each highs and lows in our aptitude profile. Many aptitudes can be tested. Not just the three that comprise iq. Also emotional inteligence, wisdom, spiritual aptitude, interpersonal aptitude, intrapersonal aptitude, philosophical aptitude, and on and on it extends for dozens.
And further, beyond that, in general... Are you now (or even, were you, at the time) aware of the fallacies here?
And how it wasn't really on topic, dealing with the substance, and instead was derailing from the substance, on to talk about me?
Insidiously, these ad-hominem reflexes sneak up on us, pulling us down Graham's Hierarchy of Disagreement. As does mere arguing tone. Or even mere contradiction, without substantive reasoning. Just escalates the combative fear that impedes access to our more considerate, critical, creative forebrains, keeping us in "fight or flight". That dumb may work for running away from a sabre tooth tiger, but it does not help us navigate nuanced social intricacies and technological complexities. Alas, I've yet to find reliable ways in text that helps encourage and invite people to that considerate exploratory headspace, out of the induced certainties that keep us stuck making a mess obliviously, not learning. "What an opportunity to learn, once I learned to learn" -- The Man From Earth. What more am I still behind that cruel horizon, where the key that opens the box, is locked in the box? What more ways out there to help people sublimate out of the induced ignorance prison? The exploration continues on, at least for those who've begun.
And of course, merely pointing out a fallacy, or accusing of some personal trait, is no refutation, no confirmation either has the truth. We're all blind men with another piece of the elephant. Naysaying's cheap, but sharing your interpretation of the whole from your part, while almost certainly wrong, does help us get closer to the truth.
The point remains... I welcome the questions. Heh.
It's a very different feel... when starting to question again... after long time induced to arrogance and not realising it had atrophied curiosity and the questioning muscles. Shifting back from the closed "I get it", to the open "what more is there to get?". And the more new stuff learned, the easier it is to accidentally climb back up on Dunning-Kruger's certainty peak. Vigilance, the price we must eternally pay. Keep learning more yet, and it's almost inevitable to fall into impostor syndrome, as becoming aware how much more there is to learn, and starting to doubt your abilities, especially as others bring their piece of the picture, a piece you didn't have. Why didn't you have? Must be because you're of inferior capability. So goes the subconscious sabotage. At least, in those who're not so arrogant and ignorant that they can even entertain the new information. This gets much easier to do once no longer in naive realism (the cognitive condition of believing your beliefs; of believing your perceptions are true reality itself).
"Leave no stone un-turned in the search for truth." ... did I miss any?
[PS, sorry this got long, but that's very often how brandolini's law [multiplied by cunningham's law] goes, especially with a visual thinker; especially with an autistic intp on their "special interest"].
Right now, you're doing the gish gallop, intellectual signaling and apparently also something i would call "fallacy gallop". You keep trying to distract from the fact that you have zero reputable evidence for any of this mystical secret knowledge "they^TM^" allegedly suppress, by posting unrelated links and accusing others to be blind in a surprisingly eloquent way. That name dropping you do is also highly annoying, and completely unrelated to your claims about suppressed tech or knowledge.
Like, take that magic tesla healing thing. Why don't you post some evidence for that? Is it because that "evidence" happens to be some modern blogspot equivalent blog? Or some book from a known quack?
Side note: Your post would probably be a lot shorter without all that fake-intellectual glitter.
I complained to my mother that the new dentist hurt me. She said I was being over-dramatic. Months later, she went to him and told me that he hurt her. No acknowledgment that I'd complained of the same. Teenager, obv.
Dentistry has made quite a few leaps. When I was young fillings were metal. Now they are a putty that dries within seconds with uv light shine upon it.
Yup, and when I needed a new brace the dentist made a 3D scan of my teeth to have a custom one made.
I had the same for my last guard (to keep me from grinding teeth at night). The previous guard relied on a mold, which I swear loosened a filling that fell out a week or two later.
The tech is pretty amazing. They still need a drill though.
Also, braces are practically invisable now and 3d printed
I had a kid on my school bus ask me what color of braces she should get.
Some are. My kid just got some in a few months ago, look just like what I had in the 90s
That is curious. I wonder what type of 3d printer and what type of material
UV resin, basically, just super high resolution that makes it incredibly expensive (even the cheaper models used for quick check measurements by dentists cost $20k+ - that is, latest tech, brand new from manufacturer, before someone drops a link for a used unit from 2018 for 10 grand). But the sheer volume makes up for it, a single printer like that can be generating pure profit within a year.
Eh, I'm not sure about that. I have an Invisalign retainer and have been 3d printing for a few years now, and from the looks of it they just did a regular FDM printing of the teeth then vacuume-formed plastic over that. Having printed the same files myself (dentist was happy to give the scan to me), and seeing as the retainer has very visible layer lines on the inside (too thick for resin printing), that seems more likely.
Incredible, and thanks for the reply.
I was thinking it had to be a resin printer. What I thought was curious was the potential for bacteria in the layer lines, I guess with this type of printer, whatever proprietary material they're using (lol), and the proper sanitation methods, it's probably not an issue.
"SmartTrack" material tm. They're not very forthcoming about the technical details on their commercial website.
Plastic filling with ceramic particles in my case. I honestly don't know which tooth it's in anymore
Never trust a medical profession that hasn't changed their standard techniques since the Dark Ages. And it also explains why they didn't join medical doctors in the AMA and created their own ADA with hookers, cocaine and blackjack.
Look, I hate them too, but they aren't Bender. Don't hold them to a standard that's impossible.
Omg, did it just take my >20y to associate Bender with drinking on a bender? I'm so stupid.
The dentist I use now is also a maxillofacial surgeon.
She discovered that my previous dentist was completely ignoring issues that would have left me toothless, lose part of my jaw, and even kill me with meningitis.
And the guy had made a TAC that clearly showed it all. Dude was laser-focused on getting just implants and more implants to rack those bucks, let tooth repair be damned.
I was lucky that the infection was kept perfectly isolated for years in a granuloma, because my freakishly high pain threshold kept me from noticing it at all.
I'm not going to a 'dentist' who just studied 'dentistry' ever again.
Orthopedic surgeon:
*repeatedly pulls string attempting to start up a chainsaw*
My kid's orthopedist had a saw that was a pizza cutter sized cutting wheel, and it stopped when it touched your skin. He demonstrated on his own hand before he started removing cast.
it stopped when it touched skin, or it didn't cut the skin?
the cast saws that I am familiar with have an oscillating motion that is small enough that skin just moves with the teeth instead of being cut by them. a saw that had sensors to know when it touched skin seems unlikely.
That sounds correct, I think he might have explained it that way but I was too cooked by watching him use a cast saw on his bare hand to retain.
I've never seen it in a healthcare setting, but that kind of safety mechanism is already a thing in larger saws - some pretty impressive demos on the web. Iirc it effectively destroys the machine if it goes off, but most of us would rather buy a new table saw than lose a few fingers. ...and that was the tech years ago, may well have improved since I went down that rabbit hole.
Saw stop still owns the patent afaik and has even stopped other similar techs from taking hold because the patent is so stupid generic... Iirc Bosch is one such alt that got shit canned. Last I knew saw stop was pushing for legislation to require the tech... Because they own the market.
(I am years out of date on this and going on memory... Pretty sure the legislation died)
See: Literally every woodworking YouTube ever created. They're worse than Clash of Clans
This is why https://youtu.be/Bx1AiQdMQro
While pulling teeth is still quite barbaric, replacing teeth uses quite a lot of modern technology. For example 3D scans and 3D printing are common tools in creating dentures these days
My dentist does a 3d scan in the chair and has a mill onsite that generates crowns in 45 minutes.
My dentist made impression for two front crowns and sent away to have them made. Meanwhile he made two temporary crowns in-house and glued them in. They looked and felt exactly like the ones that arrived two months later. I dunno.
Jealous, mine has to send out for crowns and it takes at least a week
yeah, he's not cheap, but it's such a HUGE advantage to walk out done. One appt.
Source? I've been following the research and as far as I know it's still wild growth
Methinks I'd prefer that bacterial treatment that helps regrow teeth. Or the one that triggers the third set. Or the others I've heard of over the past few decades, that would be a cheap (mere pennies) one-time treatment, that curiously somehow never made it to market. Rather than being hozed of my wealth to give someone a bullshit job. Don't you just love the perverse incentives in this "economy"?
Still... it's very impressive, doing it the long way around, the hard way. And in our agnotologically abused state, oblivious to the suppressed cheap easy ways, it's so very very impressive, we marvel at the skilled class, and bow before them, pleading in desperation for their blessing us with salvation, as they're the one true god, of whatever it is they've anti-competitively cornered the market at.
"Wheeeeee. I'm so glad we're free, honey. What time's American Gladiators on. Are we missing it?"... <- somehow that Bill Hicks bit sprang to mind. Like akin to the "keep repeating, we are free", here we're induced to "keep repeating, we're in the future".
Well the x-rays have gotten much better. Don’t really need the lead vest anymore.
We are getting there. There are human trials for a medicine that regrows teeth and another that restores teeth.
Yeah, have been reading about that for the last 20 years. Dentists are still just drilling and refilling holes or pulling teeth. Just like they did 200 years ago.
That's why I mentioned that they finally reached human trials. That's the last big step before they can be released. New technology needs time to go from the lab to practical use.
Except the fillings aren't made from lead or something
Mercury amalgum's still the standard afaik. Or, the next alternative, iirc, is some kind of hormone disregulating plastic?
May as well be lead. Oh but lead's poisonous. Lets use cadmium. ... Is the type of crazy non-logic the mercury poisoned brain thinks is fine.
Dentists would rather kill a man than allow that to happen. There's too much money involved.
Dentists are the reason why they cost so much, why regular insurance doesn't cover them, and why they are exempt from the Obamacare rules like lifetime maximums.
https://www.opensecrets.org/federal-lobbying/industries/summary?id=H1400
https://nypan.org/about/news-and-updates/2021/12/12/i-know-how-lobbyists-make-sure-americans-dont-get-dental-carei-was-one-of-them
My gf getting her wisdom teeth taken out was a super disheartening experience; the surgeon(s) she saw were super nice and did well but literally no insurance will cover it even thought it’s RECOMMENDED to get them taken out as preventative care.
Unless something very painful and dangerous is already happening most hospitals apparently won’t even take you seriously if you have state insurance and need your wisdom teeth covered.
They WONT EVEN FUCKING LET YOU GO INTO DEBT THEY JUST STRAIGHT UP SAY NO!!!!! For a 40 minute procedure that can literally save your whole jaw and all of your teeth!!!! 3000$ later and she still couldn’t get one extracted because it’s inside of her other tooth… but that STILL ISN’T a good enough reason for it to be covered by insurance, I guess it literally needs to almost kill you or make you loose a few teeth and jaw bone before most practices would consider you eligible, and it still ain’t covered because somehow it’s considered “elective surgery “.
Sorry for the rant this shit is getting me heated again to think about lol anyways ya fuck the insurance industry most dentists to the gulags etc etc
Delicate and precise organs deserve delicate and precise treatment. Durable organs get the drill.
If you're implying teeth are so durable. Why do they need yearly attention?
My spleen has never once needed a cleaning, and it certainly does not need its own luxury insurance (that covers almost nothing).
Spleens are the organs most commonly injured in car accidents.
Notes but I am sure lots of other organs are injured in car accidents including teeth
Your spleen wouldn't be very durable if it was being constantly being pressed against hard foods at around 30 psi multiple times a day for your entire life.
Not just mechanical stress, but sugars and carbohydrates in those foods feed the bacteria in the mouth, whose byproducts damage the enamel. Few people are blessed with teeth that withstand it, or mouth flora that is non-damaging, but there is no natural selection for that... Because we have dentistry, thankfully.
They can get a 3d image of a featus by ultra sound but for some reason prostate exam is still a finger up the butt 👉
Unlike in the movies, doctors usually aren't trained in sonography. Sure they could figure out how to scan a prostate, but they aren't gonna go out and buy a fancy 3d ultrasound just for men over 45, and they aren't going to become, or hire, sonogram techs.
And I'd rather take a finger in the butt than have to have another fucking appointment. No pun intended, but it's one finger. Unless my doctor is Andre The Giant or E.T., I think I could handle it.
It's because it's right there and requires no special equipment to get the job done. I never really got why people freak out about a finger back there, you constantly pass fecal matter several times that thick through there. If they could fully check that a baby was ok safely with their finger they'd do it.
Because the fecal mater get out in a intended way, the finger is quite the opposite
Honestly, I bet an ultrasound wand being smashed into your cold gel slathered taint probably wouldn’t be much better
There's a blood test now. Maybe your doc doesn't know about it. Maybe your doc has ulterior motives.
If it's simple and it works, then why change it?
This reminds me of a lyric by good old John Prine..."We are living in the future. I'll tell you how I know. I read it in the paper, 15 years ago".
They're catching up.
Science is crazy
Mmhh getting a 403 error
Guess your healthcare agreement doesn't cover that
Same. Maybe geoblocked?
It's an article called "Human trials begin for drug that could let adults regrow teeth for the first time".
Hope it gets approved soon (if it works and if safe). Thank you
Look up how hip replacements are done. They use a saw, drill and hammer. Like how they hammer in the metal into the femur. You hear the metal on metal sound. Ting ting ting ting. Literally a body repair shop.
https://youtube.com/shorts/wMefhFfIf4U
I have some friends in orthopedics who refer to themselves as carpenters
more like framing than carpentry tho innit
Shit man I'm glad I'm not a surgeon.
Could you imagine having to take 3 or 4 trips to Home Depot while your patient is just lieing on the bed, passed out and split open?
I had a tooth extracted a couple of months ago, and even though it wasn't my first rodeo (brush your teeth properly, kids), I was still amazed at how barbaric the process is. The dentist was only just short of standing on my chest so he could properly yank at it, all the while shards of exploded tooth were flying around the room.
Fair play though, he did it quickly and cleanly.
I...I think you and I have different definitions of "cleanly". Also, please excuse me while I go and clean my teeth again!
Ever had a tooth pulled? The description does sound pretty quick and clean.
Have you checked your wisdom teeth? If they're not in order then they might need to be removed.
Mine took more than an hour to remove. It had hooked ends so that made it difficult.
I had a fucked wisdom tooth out, and as he grabbed it with the pliers I heard it crunch and collapse on itself and the dentist went "oh..."
Which isn't a noise you want to hear from a dentist, but again he did the job.
Not as extreme, but one of my kids had to have a cavity filled. He struggles with some sensory issues, so I was staying close by to help keep him calm.
Knowing what happens and seeing your kid's tooth enamel getting drilled away are two... very different experiences. Like with you though, they were quick, clean, and precise!
I had two lower front teeth removed recently. A lot of twisting action to get them out!
My wife has had some bad luck with dentists.
First was the wisdom teeth. Still to this day unsure of if it was a result of the extraction, but immediately after she developed an abscess on her tonsils.
The abscess needed to be drained in the ER, it was so painful. And the draining was painful, too. Not like they got Novocaine there. And then she got her tonsils removed as a result.
Then last time she had an extraction, the tooth shattered below the gum line. Dentist had her for like three hours getting all the chunks out. Her jaw was sore for like a week, not only from the extraction but also from holding that damn position for so long.
Wait till you hear about orthopedic surgery
Yeah..... Watching spinal surgery can be gnarly. There's a procedure to debris the spinal column before you install hardware called spinal flossing. You basically get a shop towel and wrap it around the spine and shimmy the towel like you're cleaning a bowling ball.
I saw a video of a knee implant extraction, and it was just one doctor hammering the living fuck out of the implant until he got tired and gave the hammer to the next doctor.
My dad had a recall on a hip implant so they cracked his femur open longways to get it out. Still has better mobility than pre-surgery.
Edit https://youtu.be/mJc5SBFuSHQ?is=6Y4vWxH9njZVfjH5
It wasn't an implant that got stuck just a thingy
Yeah, orthopedics is pretty much shop class but with more expensive tools and hardware. Bones are a lot tougher than what most people tend to think, so sometimes you just have to wack on the hardware with a big mallet to get them to release.
I mean it's good, right? Bones SHOULD be stronger than wood
Yeah, it's a little stronger than reinforced concrete. Looks like they're trying to remove some old hardware that's been fixed in place by some osseointergration.
They make slide/slam hammers for this kind of work that makes it a lot easier and safer for the pt, but looks like they didn't have one, or didn't think they'd need it and didn't/forgot to prep one.
Bones are wood glue
What the fuck
https://youtu.be/mJc5SBFuSHQ?is=6Y4vWxH9njZVfjH5
And my mechanic is less pushy than any dentist I've ever visited. They always seem to pull up some image and point to it and say see that out of focus area? Your particular insurance covers that, so your teeth will fall out next week if we don't address it right now, and youll never get laid again, you'll fail out of school and get fired from your job and be homeless. Oh - wait. You're insurance doesn't cover that? Then they wipe the grease stain from the screen and say you'll be just fine.
Dentists sometimes really feel like they are mouth mechanics
I hear there is that teeth re-growing biotech coming,
Been hearing that for decades now. I'll believe it when I can access it.
i have dental connections. what i understand is there are two different things to watch. there's a treatment that might be able to get your own body to grow another (final) set of teeth. theoretically humans can grow 3 sets, we stop at the second. that's in the works, sounds pretty painful. the other treatment is something that can regrow dentin or enamel or i can't remember it's been a while, but the one they'd be excited about is enamel so it's probably that? IIRC they both were coming out of South Korea, one in phase 1 trials and one still in animal trials.
this is me trying to remember off a conversation with my deceased dad's friend a couple months ago, so take it with a heaping heap of heaps of salt. my memory ain't all that great anymore.
Extra fast spinning high tech drills though iirc
so fast and powerful they'll drill right through your tooth, your skull, and into your brain!
toothpaste: so basically we're turning your mouth into a small chemical laboratory to fix some issues with basic inorganic chemistry.
Is it really that complicated? I was under the impression that toothpaste was mostly just a soft abrasive mixed with an antibacterial and some flavoring and scent. Basically like baking soda, which does all those things at once.
it's a weak base to counteract the acid from the bacteria's digestion products. that protects your teeth (which are mineralic) against acid attack.
Flouride binds to your teeth to fill in the enamel.
If it was just abrasive then your teeth would slowly wither away in the same way that everyone who uses magic erasers is destroying their home.
Orthopedics is literally just human carpentry
they have ultrasound chisels, yknow.
You want a laser in your mouth?
There are many uses for lasers in dentistry. And also other reasons (e.g. amygdalotomy).
I had a laser in my mouth about 6 months ago. They vaporized (a lot of) a frenulum rather than just cut it.
The worst bit was how they had to lift my upper lip and it was up against my nose so I couldn't breathe normally.
I'll keep pushing people towards the Four Thieves Vinegar Collective's Tooth Seal because it feels like the most advanced piece of preventative dental care I've seen in years.
when we are able to regrow our own teeth, the dentists may become obsolete
That seems like the type of thing that would still need to be administered very carefully by an expert dentist. Look at the entire field of orthodontics or the product category of braces to see what happens when teeth grow in in the wrong number, position, or orientation. In theory, anyone can perform surgery on themselves with a scalpel they sterilize on their stove top. Very few attempt that for damn good reasons.
could be
Who do you think is going to apply the teeth regrow treatment?
dunno, you?
Modern Mana technology? I knew it was fucking magic.
What about those ultrasonic cleaners for tartar? That is pretty high-tech.
if you are a non-dentist, i would advise against it/. since you could do alot of damage to teeth, better of having a dentist clean it. most of the reviews on sites that sell these have customers complained it damaged thier enamel permanently, because they do it aggressively. same goes for whitening your teeth, people do it too aggressively. i almost bought one once until i saw the reviews, yikes, because you have to use a mirror to see your teeth while doing it, and might not know if that is tartar or just staining.
Thankyou for triggering this rant from me. :)
Could evade the eye laser with better nutrition and detoxification. There are other cymaticly cromulent technologies and techniques too, unused.
Don't get me started on mRNA. Maybe just try listening to the warnings of those who came up with it? Or the results? (We used to take products off the market that were even 100,000 times less harmful... Not to mention the various related plans afoot, not least of relevance with that, "operation lockstep". ... (Would have thought the eugenics ties of those loudest promoting it would have been sufficient reason to pause and reconsider [(or any one of dozens of other clues and red flags)], but then I underestimated how successfully the fear induced by the (as one middling insider was caught on camera years before saying) "once the terrorist thing wears off we're going to have people running scared of a disease without symptoms" plan would in interfere with our access to our considerate, critical, creative forebrains), and how successfully another mass formation [!!!} could be induced just as there was an accelerating (to tipping point) awakening to the prior one.
Dentistry, too, is merely the same as the others, in how it's held back for profit. How many times has there been an innovation in dentistry, denied in practice, in favour of painful and poisonous treatments that do not even restore tooth health. For example, if I recall correctly, there have already been over 3 different methods developed for regrowing teeth (at least one, since decades ago, cheap, safe, and it works ~ and would have all but obsoleted dentistry). Instead, the mercury industry keeps dentists crazy in the head, putting mercury in the mouths of their "patients", making them crazy in the head too, not to mention the devastation that does to the immune system...
For-profit healthcare (<- an oxymoron btw), protects itself with the maxim "A patient cured is a customer lost." (<- A sentiment more commonly chirped in prudent awareness and cautioning in decades past. ... I wonder what caused this utterance to have fallen out of such prominence. Edward Bernays springs to mind...)
The industry. It's a big club. You and I are not in the big club. They know what's good for them.
"It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends on him not understanding it." -- Upton Sinclair.
If you believe "we're living in the future", you have no idea how far we've been held back, "for profit". "For profit", too, a marketing mislead. It's "wealth extraction maximisation". Driving everyone but the best kleptarch towards total absolute destitution and beyond. Y'know we could have had [interstellar[!]] spaceships each since the 1930s, right? Follow the tech arc from Michael Faraday through to Nikola Tesla (and all the more quiet, less showy, between, and since). Even Nikola Tesla's innovations extended as far as health [~ indeed, throughout. Even his plan to power the world for free, was at frequencies etc that would be conducive to health. Cymatic cromulence. Mmmmm.]. Have you read the reports, the testimonies, or even experienced for yourself, the health benefits of, e.g., a Tesla Coil? Or any of many other energy based healing technologies? And yet, we're going to cite laser surgery, and mRNA as signs we're in the future? We're not even in the present, a century ago! In proclaiming these as signs we're in the future, we're no better than those who, in their respective times, insisted "more leaches!", or "test it on the little people".
Dig in to this topic. It may on one hand be daunting, how much can be taken from us, how much we can be held back, how much we can be deceived and made wholly obliviously ignorant [(~ "agnotology" is an eye opening field of research, even just to become aware it exists, let alone the vastness of its scope and scale of effect on the world, in abusive deployment, so long)]. But on the other hand, rejoice, at how much more headroom we truly have. :)
Let me just better diet my vision back to normal lmao
Is this meme? Am I missing the joke?
Is this just incredulous scoffing?
Any genuine curiosity?
Things like (just off the top of my head) Lutein, Zeaxanthin, Carotines, Retinol, Creatine, and countless more are reported to have helped restore eyesight, along with many techniques, and conversely, in some cases, sudden blindness has been suspected caused by nutrient uptake blockers (including GLP1s), starvation, stress, and extreme diets. So, yes, diet very much can have a huge impact on improving or worsening sight. ... I'm struggling to comprehend where the incredulity in this could come from.
Fascinating world out there to explore, at our fingertips, still, despite efforts to censor and control narratives to protect wealth extraction maximisation, as the rules demand of the corporation, to "protect the shareholders".
Fun tip, add "ayurveda" to health/biology websearches. For just one way to get out of the corporate curated bubble, to a perspective that lets you out of "cannot see the forest for the trees".
I'm not opposed to laser eye surgery. It's just another example of an oz of prevention worth a lb of cure, and too often too soon reaching for the "cure" of a surgeon's knife (so to speak), when there are gentler, perhaps less acutely profitable, "alternative" ways, that have no monied incentive to promote.
What the fuck lmao
It reads like one of those skitzo manifestoes
Always fun when they find the thesaurus.
TL;DR
Tldr is that I think we found RFKjr's lemmy account.
Holy tinfoil
cromulent is a perfectly cromulent word
The downvotes and replies to this have me wonder if the agnotological assault we're all under, is winning. The level of epistemology expressed... Where are we on Graham's Hierarchy of Debate with that? Mostly Adhominem? The irony, given the content already expressing in passing the awareness of "how much we can be deceived and made wholly obliviously ignorant", to have had such responses expressing such oblivion, doing the very thing. I didn't want to be that right. Maybe my fault, and I should have been more positive in what I manifested, right? Heh.
... And to think... I used to work in the agnotology industry. In "advertising or marketing" (before renouncing it when Bill Hick's saved me). I used to be one who would easily dupe people ("just doing my job"). It's oft corroborated true what they say: It's easier to fool someone than to convince them they've been fooled.
... especially with the UptonSinclairian duress... ("It's easier to get a man to understand something when his salary depends upon him not understanding it."), that we're all under, to some extents, in this perversely incentivised economy.
Questions...? Go for it...
Lub me some curiosity and the Socratic method.
[Edit: Oh wait... Re-reading what that's responding to, that seems non-sequitur of some sort, since I was already lamenting the absence of curiosity and genuine (not mere rhetorically dismissive) questions.]
You never stopped to ask if those who tell you these conspiracy theories about Tesla & Co. have their own agenda. For example selling books or some useless "apparatus". And no, citing some fallacies or abusing the thesaurus doesn't make the things you say sound any smarter.
Thankyou for your response. However you're responding to a comment encouraging curiosity and questions, without any curiosity and questions, about which, I have much curiosity and many questions.
And further, beyond that, in general... Are you now (or even, were you, at the time) aware of the fallacies here?
And how it wasn't really on topic, dealing with the substance, and instead was derailing from the substance, on to talk about me?
Insidiously, these ad-hominem reflexes sneak up on us, pulling us down Graham's Hierarchy of Disagreement. As does mere arguing tone. Or even mere contradiction, without substantive reasoning. Just escalates the combative fear that impedes access to our more considerate, critical, creative forebrains, keeping us in "fight or flight". That dumb may work for running away from a sabre tooth tiger, but it does not help us navigate nuanced social intricacies and technological complexities. Alas, I've yet to find reliable ways in text that helps encourage and invite people to that considerate exploratory headspace, out of the induced certainties that keep us stuck making a mess obliviously, not learning. "What an opportunity to learn, once I learned to learn" -- The Man From Earth. What more am I still behind that cruel horizon, where the key that opens the box, is locked in the box? What more ways out there to help people sublimate out of the induced ignorance prison? The exploration continues on, at least for those who've begun.
And of course, merely pointing out a fallacy, or accusing of some personal trait, is no refutation, no confirmation either has the truth. We're all blind men with another piece of the elephant. Naysaying's cheap, but sharing your interpretation of the whole from your part, while almost certainly wrong, does help us get closer to the truth.
The point remains... I welcome the questions. Heh.
It's a very different feel... when starting to question again... after long time induced to arrogance and not realising it had atrophied curiosity and the questioning muscles. Shifting back from the closed "I get it", to the open "what more is there to get?". And the more new stuff learned, the easier it is to accidentally climb back up on Dunning-Kruger's certainty peak. Vigilance, the price we must eternally pay. Keep learning more yet, and it's almost inevitable to fall into impostor syndrome, as becoming aware how much more there is to learn, and starting to doubt your abilities, especially as others bring their piece of the picture, a piece you didn't have. Why didn't you have? Must be because you're of inferior capability. So goes the subconscious sabotage. At least, in those who're not so arrogant and ignorant that they can even entertain the new information. This gets much easier to do once no longer in naive realism (the cognitive condition of believing your beliefs; of believing your perceptions are true reality itself).
"Leave no stone un-turned in the search for truth." ... did I miss any?
[PS, sorry this got long, but that's very often how brandolini's law [multiplied by cunningham's law] goes, especially with a visual thinker; especially with an autistic intp on their "special interest"].
Right now, you're doing the gish gallop, intellectual signaling and apparently also something i would call "fallacy gallop". You keep trying to distract from the fact that you have zero reputable evidence for any of this mystical secret knowledge "they^TM^" allegedly suppress, by posting unrelated links and accusing others to be blind in a surprisingly eloquent way. That name dropping you do is also highly annoying, and completely unrelated to your claims about suppressed tech or knowledge.
Like, take that magic tesla healing thing. Why don't you post some evidence for that? Is it because that "evidence" happens to be some modern blogspot equivalent blog? Or some book from a known quack?
Side note: Your post would probably be a lot shorter without all that fake-intellectual glitter.