Democrats are already preparing Trump investigations if they retake the House
They may not have the gavels yet, but House Democrats are laying the groundwork for a number of investigations into Donald Trump should they win control of Congress in November.
Rep. Robert Garcia, D-Calif. — who’s set to chair the House Oversight Committee in a Democratic majority — told MS NOW that his team is “already preparing and gearing up.”
“We’ve got a team on Epstein, we have a team on [Trump] family corruption, we have a team on DHS and ICE,” Garcia said. “Those teams are actively working on preparation, letters, research.”
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"Preparation, letters, and research." You better watch out, Trump administration. You've got some strongly worded letters COMING IN HOT. The concern that Democrats are feeling right now will be fucking PALBABLE from coast to coast.
They’re going to ask you pointed question but you won’t have to provide serious answers. Then… you will be free to go.
Get ready to be SLAMMED
Schumer has got his signature look loaded.
Shit, those glasses are at DEFCON 2!!!!
yeah, he has the same pair in a slightly redder plastic that are the defcon 1 (strenly worded letter) glasses. We are pretty far from that now though.
That guy is such a ridiculous joke.
i know you'd rather keep trump in power
do nothing you will have your wish
What?
All the jaundiced takes aside, this is what they should be doing right now.
Seriously, it feels like people think Dems should be building an oubliette right now. The process of rooting out and punishing corruption/incompetence starts with investigations (if you don't have absolute power) - so they'd better be damn ready to hit the ground running
The problem was nearly four years of "this time we're really gonna get Trump" in the context of the J6 investigation, the documents he hoarded in his bathroom, etc, and not a damn thing actually happened. The man is white and wealthy and we had four years to see what white and wealthy gets you - teflon skin apparently.
So it's a little bit hard to imagine dems coming out hard enough to secure consequences of any kind for him. I'm hopeful, sure, and I'm glad they are planning. What I lack faith in is the effectiveness of the plans.
There was a lot getting lined up, and then the fucker got re-elected. I'm pretty sure he would have faced consequences if he wasn't president.
He's spent his entire second term dismantling the nation, probably in part to try to make sure it doesn't actually have the ability to punish him.
He’d already secured his wins when McConnell gave home the Supreme Court and shit loads of lower court appointments. (Eileen Cannon especially).
Now it’s even worse.
I think a big problem is people saying "the Dems" like politicians, the party, fundraisers, and everyone else are in lockstep.
That's how it used to work, but we quit that shit over a year ago. For good reason. A giant organization controlling everything is the antithesis of the Democratic party.
But yeah, we can't afford to pull another Biden where day 1 we "start to discuss if we should investigate if it's time to worry about ____".
New congress is 7 months away, and they've got midterms and 2 months of vacation between now and then.
We don't have as much time as people think, we absolutely should have shit ready.
An oubliette is where you put someone to forget about them, and these shitheels should be remembered forever as cautionary tales, both on what can happen if you get too casual about letting corrupt fucks into positions of power, and on what can happen to you if you're a corrupt fuck and you try to fuck around too corruptly and get caught with your dick in the cookie jar.
I hope it is Kevin McCallister who prepped the cookie jar. Probably a blender disguised as such.
The D is for Data center. Be careful which democrat you chose.
Whenever there's a real socialist, vote for them. If there isn't, maybe it's time for a career in politics.
I do, I do. I like social safety net and fair wages for all.
I think everyone agrees, we just don't have faith that it'll bear fruit. There's been someone in the party doing this since Trump won his first primary, but they've always been stopped at some level by ANY degree of opposition, from thinly veiled foot dragging to blatant corruption.
Shouldn't they be gearing up to make Trump serve appropriate sentencing for the crimes he's already been convicted of? Hasn't he been convicted of enough felonies to serve a life sentence?
What they should be doing is clearing the party of establishment aipac pieces of shit, because the voters won't let it go this time just because they don't want Trump.
I mean, I'd love that. I don't know enough procedure to say whether that's an actual option for them. Someone should at least be pointedly asking them to do so.
Maybe prosecute for the myriad of blatantly illegal shit that's already public knowledge, then investigate the rest once he's already in prison?
We're going to be investigating this fucker's crimes for the next 50 years.
In other words, dont Merrick garland it.
If and when we take back the power that’s being gerrymandered out of our grasp currently, we’ll begin investigating his actions and ultimately applaud ourselves when we confirm what is already very, very obvious. He might be dead of natural causes but at least we investigated. Meanwhile, every one suffering the wrath of his ego and the cruelty of his minions just needs to sit tight and trust the process.
Nah Robert, fuck you and your plans. Fuck your party and your committees. You’re useless sacks of shit who’ve squandered power in the past and will squander it again once (if) you take it back while the innocent suffer and die at the hands of this regime. Too little, too late. I hope history records for posterity that the ineptitude of the Democrats, while not equal to the crimes of MAGA, is like modern day Chamberlains. Ya fucked around and the rest of us have to be the ones who found out.
Great, laying the groundwork for 10 years worth of beuarecratic foot dragging. The dems suck at doing this sort of thing.
Just wait for the Mueller report guys. Trust me. Justice takes time.
-teenage me explaining my intentions to work on homework before locking myself in a room with my Xbox to play halo all night
Yeeee hawwwee
Trump investigations? That's it?
How bout a fucking tribunal for Hegseth?
How about establishing a Robinhood reimbursement committee.
Start there.
Didn't trump already get convicted for a bunch of stuff? Doesn't seem like he received any sentencing. I'd say start there and throw his ass in prison.
They had nearly a decade to do ANYTHING about Trump, the Epstein files, etc. nothing is going to functionally change because these people are complicit. Enough of them on both sides are also compromised and implicated or simply bribed.
The same song and dance they’ve been putting on for decades. “Oh we can’t do anything unless we control the house and the Senate! Just wait till we’re in charge! We’re gonna fix everything” And then comes the infighting, lack policy, and eventual capitulating to corporate interests.
What makes you think they’re gonna do anything about any of the shit now?
They also can’t do anything about it even if they wanted to. You need a 2/3 majority in the Senate to convict.
You do realize that the Epstein files potentially implicate many people in high positions?
You do realize that performing investigations and to all of these people and also removing them from Congress would likely lead to new people getting elected and therefore moving closer to the 2/3 majority needed to impeach?
There are things that can be done other than whining about we don’t have the votes in the Senate. They’ve had a decade of Trumps bullshit and Bidens stalling and failing do anything about it. And your argument is they don’t have votes in the Senate?
is there no way to implicate and remove those who are also involved in high levels of government?
How can you only argument for a solution be weight for decades until there’s 2/3 majority to impeach? What kind of defeatist attitude is this?
There needs to be political will to cleanse the government Of these sick perverted corporate backed corrupt politicians, no matter what party or state they come from.
Enforced by who? They can literally ignore subpoenas without consequences.
Yeah, I'd really like to hear what the plan is to un-fuck everything if they retake Congress. And Jesus tittyfucking Christ, stop focusing only on Trump. There's a whole horde of gouls pulling the strings behind him, and they need to be stopped. Trump is just a pedophile figurehead.
There is no plan ,there never has been, they’re not gonna fix shit.
Just like anarchists then.
Much questioning takes place. Much time is wasted. Many strong statements issued. Democrats fail to make real change or prevent the situation from worsening.
Nothing happens.
Another opportunity? The last time you fucking clowns did absolutely nothing.
Which proceedings did you watch?
We saw what happened when they tried to ignore MAGA during the Biden administration - they came roaring back, far worse than ever.
Any plan for the future MUST start with purging MAGA from our government and society. MAGA and it's prototypes have been fucking up forward progress in this nation for decades, and it is time to deal with them once and for all.
We all have our Progressive Priorities, mine are Campaign Finance Reform, Universal Health Care, College Loan Forgiveness, Free College/ Vocational Training, and a National Educational Curriculum, with a strong emphasis on Critical Thinking Skills. Others value things like Child Care, Family Leave, etc., all valid. But we'll never even get to have discussions about any of those things, as long as MAGA is causing deliberate chaos and mayhem as an opposition strategy.
We are at a crossroads in America, and MAGA understands that they need to crush and purge Democrats so they can steal EVERYTHING. Dems have to meet that head on with STRONGER, RIGHTEOUS energy, so we can save America.
Then we can talk about moving forward with a progressive agenda. We have a Civil War to win first.
There are only a handful of democrats. The rest are there for show.
You need a double line break to force a new line.
At a point when do we stop saying they are not true democrats, and instead realize this is the truth of the democratic party?
Thanks, miss those all the time
They had four years
They had 10 years really. If they took the Russian thing seriously, they would’ve prevented Facebook from providing Russian propaganda to the masses during election season to the tune of billions of dollars.. they instead, invested in Facebook and enjoyed the gains on all of this
26 years really, If they would have slowed down the consolidation of power in media empires…. And prevented an administration from cozying up to Fox News to advocate for torturing prisoners. The marriage of politicians and media has been going wrong my whole life: they don’t care they abuse it too.
Bill Fucking Clinton accelerated the consolidation of media empires and drove it towards partisan propaganda.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telecommunications_Act_of_1996
One of the worst pieces of legislation passed in our country's history.
Yeah, I forgot about the telecommunications act 1996. I was just a young lad, but they started doing cuss words on TV.
Trump specifically should have been in prison for blatant crimes well before he ever even ran the first time in 2000. It was already public knowledge by the time i was in high school in the 00's. And thats what i, a stupid kid not in NYC knew.
Agreed
Biden and the neoliberals had four years, and they did what anyone with a brain predicted.
Which included Biden naming a DNC chair in 2021 that would rig the 2024 primary, which also happened.
But because Republicans won the 2024 election, DNC voting members got to pick their own chair in 2025.
Blaming the current chair for what happened 2021 thru 2024 with the party makes as much sense as blaming Obama in 09 for what GW did 04-08...
I'm not trying to be a dick, it's just very hard to explain such a basic concept in a way that doesn't come off condescendingly.
So as to appear to be doing something?
Why investigate Trump at this point? Go after everyone around him with state charges. There are a bunch of criminals around him. Right now they are not afraid of doing crimes for the orange man.
It is hard to go after a federal official for state crime. They have a lot of immunity around official acts. And for good reason. Imagine a right wing state criminalizing something based on their agenda, then prosecuting Democratic officials to enact a nationwide right wing agenda based on those laws. It would be chaos.
Just focus on not deporting all of us or making us all into slaves. That would be a positive.
I got stopped by a cop on my way to my home after a long ass day of challenging work. Now, after not being murdered by that cop, I drive an extra few Miles to evade the location where that cop always parks.
C'mon! What the fuck! OK so he didn't punch me or kill me this time. What about tomorrow? Should I always drive at 25mph everywhere just to make sure that cop doesn't stop me?
They stopped me because I forgot my little registration sticker.....wrong! Nobody can pick out a registration sticker that quick. They just saw my brown face and wanted an easy stop.
But yeah, how about the cops not murdering me in public? I would gladly vote for that.
I'm a notorious procrastinator (I'm doing it right now), but the second I get that new sticker, I lick my finger and wipe it over the old sticker, wipe it dry with an old fast food napkin from the floor of my disgusting vehicle, and slap that new sticker on.
I can't imagine how dumb I'd feel if I got a $180 ticket for a sticker that I got days ago, and literally takes 3 seconds to apply.
You want to blame the hue of your skin, but if he sits there regularly, you passed him plenty of times, and he didn't touch you until your sticker expired. I get your frustration dawg, but they can, and do look for those stickers. This was on you.
Nope. I passed and he followed. Accelerated quickly behind me, figured a way to stop me, stopped me.
That’s your bar? Stop hitting me? That’s like battered person syndrome or something.
I want Equity. It’s a revolution so wild that Mao would be uncomfortable or I’d rather continue to accelerate.
All you are asking for is less abuse. I’m cool. Kill me or take me (back) to prison. I’m not interested in being exploited.
Also I was being cynical in my sarcastic comment.
I'll believe it when I see it.
Virtually everyone in this administration should be arrested.
How about prepared to throw him in jail in an immigrant detention center indefinitely while we take 10 years to bring up charges? Good enough for a random Iraqi but not the president?
Investigations like they had last time that went nowhere? More pre election preformative bullshit. How anyone could still support them is baffling as fuck
Maybe we should go ahead and treat Trump the way he's treated the American citizenry? Particularly immigrant or marginalized groups? Tell me again why an investigation is necessary?
Because "he started it!" belongs in the schoolyard, not the federal government
That's crazy, how many deportations were held in civil courts again? Also, in what kind of court was Trump found guilty of sexual misconduct/assault?
I'll give you one guess.
Are you implying that people go to civil court without investigating anything? I'm not sure what your point is.
The overwhelming majority of deportations we're seeing from the Trump admin are carried out through civil courts. You know, the ones where people are being sent to concentration camps or countries they don't belong in. Donald Trump was held civilly liable of sexual misconduct and assault through a civil court. It's what the right wing trogs constantly cite as a reason why they don't accept the charges.
What I'm declaring is that if a civil court is good enough to upend someone's life without due process then Donald Trump should go straight to fucking jail — no?
So you believe that since trump abused the legal system, we should legitimize that by abusing it to punish him. That's what I thought you were saying. No. We're better than trump. This is childish eye for an eye bullshit that has no place in civil society.
What the hell do you mean, better than Trump? We don't need to prove that Trump should be in jail, he was held liable for sexual assault and is mentioned in the unredacted Epstein Files over a million times.
He's been investigated. Israel bought the govt for him and now it's all 'whoops, dropped another bomb on brown people again.. butterfingers haha!'. Meanwhile people like you are trying to claim we should take the fucking high road while people are fucking dying.
No this is not childish eye for an eye bullshit. This is a fucking reckoning a long time in the making, long before this term.
...in a lawsuit, with a completely different burden of proof than a criminal trial. Nobody's proven he should be in jail for that to the standards that criminal charges require.
And he hasn't been tried for it. He should be. But he hasn't. I'm not willing to advocate for ignoring the process simply because I don't like the guy.
The only thing he's actually been convicted of are the NYS felonies. And he should be in jail for those. But this attitude of 'throw the book at him and to hell with the legal system' is absolutely childish eye for an eye bullshit. That's banana Republic shit. That's how MAGA thinks. Do you want to act like MAGA?
People like me are trying to claim that you don't defeat trump by becoming trump.
If they want to be trusted again they should investigate Bidens ignoring of the Leahy laws as well. we need to be a nation of laws again and that means going after everyone who breaks the law whether they are in your party or in office or not.
Everyone of every party who has supported this genocide belongs impeached, in shackles, and in jail. Our standing laws say so.
I completely agree, but I want to emphasize something. That "AS WELL" is putting in a lot of work in this sentence man...
You are insane if you think Trump will see any repercussions. At all.
You're the problem. Politicians are lazy and greedy. If you tell them that you expect them to ignore us, and we'll accept it, then that's what they'll do, and go back to their favorite pastime, insider trading.
Tell them that you expect them to punish all of MAGA, or they will suffer the same fate. They are either on our side or they aren't, and we're keeping track.
That's what you should be posting. Not cowardly excuses.
Trump is 100% going to pardon himself. And I have little confidence that the courts will stop him. They will talk about history and tradition when it suits them, but I can totally see them making an exception for yet another unprecedented action.
Even if Trump doesn't pardon himself, the next asshole will pardon him to "help heal the rift between two camps".
No president, ever, has been held accountable for various corruptions and war crimes.
You can't pardon yourself. No president had done it, there is no precedent, we don't have to accept it because a monster like Trump says so. Period.
And if he does manage to take away all options for punishing him? He will spawn dozens of assassins who will be gunning for him at every moment for the rest of his life. He will have to fear snipers, poison, inside jobs, rpgs, bombs, etc. every minute of his life, which will be terrifying for a coward like him. And hopefully, someone will succeed.
No president has done it and it certainly was not the intent of the pardon power. But it is not explicitly forbidden. Hopefully if he tries it it gets ruled against, but after SCOTUS made that horrible ruling about presidential immunity I have little confidence.
Trump getting away with a pardon and then getting assassinated is, in my mind, one of the worst scenarios. It martyrs him in the eyes of his cult. At the same time, it sets out legal precedent for a future fascist/authoritarian to pardon themselves for misdeeds in office. He's an old man anyway and won't last much longer. Let's hope it does not come to pass.
There's no such thing as a MAGA Martyr. They are Sociopaths by definition, so they don't care about anyone else beyond their basic utility. Once they're dead, their utility ends, and they are forgotten about.
They tried to make a martyr out of Charlie Kirk, and it has already ended. They bring him up now and then, but mostly just to disparage Ds for "celebrating" his death. They don't really miss Kirk. Even his wife has moved on.
Look into Schmuck Schumer, too. He only cares about Israel and Insider Trading, so it wouldn't surprise me at all if he was MAGA bought. He couldn't have been less effective if he was working for MAGA.
what kills me about Schumer et al is that i was always taught that dual loyalty is an antisemitic trope because it's founded on essentialism. The idea that someone might hold a loyalty to another country over their own based on their ethnicity is an unjust assumption, and it hurts American Jews (and their communities, and by extension yourself, as a member of their community) because as a group they really just want to get by, same as anyone else. They are our neighbors and our friends, and they want whats good for their homeland just like you and me. Jewish Americans are just Americans who happen to be Jewish.
But it seems like everyone in the ruling class has decided that actually dual loyalty is part of being Jewish, and that actually you're the antisemitic one for pointing it out, and that furthermore antizionist jews are antisemitic for their unjewish behavior.
I'll believe it when I see it
The orange utan has full immunity, courtesy of the corrupt SCOTUS. The dems should just stop the gesticulating already.
Just vote for us one more time bro, please bro, we’ll totally investigate the high crimes of DC insiders bro just more votes bro just this one more time PLZ!!!
I actually lol at “actively working on…letters”
They’re bought and sold. They’ll investigate nothing. No one will be prosecuted. We can call this maneuver the Obama Forward Look. During the OFL, the Democrats will probably pass one symbolic bill that seems like something good but is in reality a handjob under the desk of corporate America. The light of the USA will dim further.
Most of the world would be better off without it.
True but, also rogue nuclear state USA with declining everything not good for the world. There was probably a better way to decouple than this.
What? They don't do anything when given the power. This is how we ended up with this mess. Unless a civil war breaks our at midterms when Trump reveals his hand, they won't have the opportunity to do nothing again.
This should take the form of a continuous, publicly accessible investigation that only continues rather than is summarised when they retake the House.
But it isn’t and won’t be.
It will be a well put, tightly and succinctly presented, work of art of an argument for an additional impeachment and unrealised conviction in the Senate. Just like the Jan 6 Committee.
They should instead be throwing themselves into the gears of govt., but they will take the long term, conventionally optimal strategy of letting the Republicans make their mistakes.
America is so, so frustrating in the face of obvious corruption and incipient fascism.
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What Democrats could do is fundraise to change an ICE detention facility into a Trump Hotel, a high security jail to put Trump while we have the probable cause of some conviction, deny him bail like he has countless immigrants and have him investigated and tried for his crimes. As a luxury we can serve sparkling Dilley concentration camp water too.
We've got that, it's called Guantanamo Bay. That's where all the MAGA All-Stars should be.
Oh, yah. I just envision Jeffries and Schumer going all out prosecuting Trump and the Republicans. Yup, it'll definitely happen, like right away, about 10 minutes after hell freezes over.
It's long past time for the MAGA comedy act of Schmuck & Jeffries to get the hook, and be dragged off stage. They couldn't have done a worse job if they'd been paid by MAGA, and I'm not convinced they weren't. They should be deeply investigated for corruption.
When the Dems take back the House and Senate, these two cowardly weaklings absolutely cannot remain in charge. They were responsible for the revival of MAGA during the Biden administration, and that is absolutely unforgivable.
It is outrageous that these two losers are STILL in charge, after everything they HAVEN'T DONE. They should already be totally out of office. If they remain in charge after the Midterms, then MAGA will win the 2028 Presidential Election.
IMPEACH EVERYBODY!
Does anyone have that "well that just happened" blog meme? I can't find it lol
Are they going to do it differently next time?
If you told me you are a bagel last week, I'd be an absolute idiot to think that was all you've eaten in a week
Yet you seem to think if you hear about 100s of people doing 1 thing, it means that is all all of those people are doing...
Some people are really only capable of one single task at a time, the problem is those people don't understand how unique they are, and they assume everyone else is the same.
Shit man, I'm preparing for dozens of things constantly, and I'm acutely aware of 10x the things I can't do shit to prepare for. But I'm still cognizant they're probable situations I may have to deal with.
I’m sure the Democrats would do something if their voters ever held them to account 🤣🤣🤣 thankfully they have you guys to do this shit all the time
🤣🤣 that’s a lot of words to hallucinate a reality where the Democrats haven’t been investigating Trump for the last 10 years. Kind of undermine the judicial stronghold and the lack of enforcement the dems would face. Inappropriate optimism strikes again. And you turned it into a self glazing too 🤣🤣🤣
Democrats plan on doing something pointless and wasting everybody's time. What else is new?
Just fucking impeach the goddamn bastard. If you don't have enough members to do that then you failed as a party to get people to vote for you because of your bullshit centrism.
Maybe a dozen of them. No one else.