Vegans! *shakes fist*
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I just googled if almonds or ai was worse for the environment and google ai said almonds are bad.
Gemini currently answering that question
To be fair almonds, soy and a lot of stuff that we grow is AWFUL for the environment. One of the largest driving forces behind ramping up production of those plants is also veganism. Or more accurately the demand for vegan alternatives.
A lot of the key plants are some of the worse monocrops we have in terms of water use and environmental damage.
The rise of vegan alternative demand has at this point actually made it so that vegan diets are technically worse then a normal one for the environment.
A lot of those plants are also starting to cause huge problems with natural habitats all over the place. Which is rather funny when you consider that one of the main talking points vegans like to bring out is meat is murder. But the rise in inefficient monocropping has killed more animals and habitats then cattle has now.
Its just a massive cluster fuck. Monocropping is killing our land and using our drinking water. Meat is killing our land and using our drinking water. Data center is kill our land and using our drinking water.
Everything is just being scaled to infinitely no thought to actually preventing harm. All of it slowly killing everything around it till there's nothing left.
Its great! Every time a vegan tries to yell at me about eating a nice stake and how I'm killing animals. I just get to point out their diet is murdering natural pollinators all over the place killing habitats and has caused the death of more woodland, creatures, plants, insects and other things than I could ever hope to kill by just eating a nice juicy steak.
Really makes them mad
Most monocrops like soy and corn are eaten more by your steak-producing cows than by humans. Your cow has done all the killing for you.
https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/soybean-production-and-use
This is ragebait lmao
I refuse to believe anyone could spend so much time writing a comment this stupid. Has to be a bot.
https://woods.stanford.edu/news/meats-environmental-impact
Funny. Nice try. Yawn.
The almond industry is also unfathomably lethal to bees. If you care about bees, eat honey, not almonds—honey producers need their bees alive and well, while almond growers merrily slaughter them by the billions to force off season crops into existence.
Mono cropping in general has killed so many insects. It's truly absurd. The knock-on effects and damage to the habitats around farms is wild because of it. Unironically plants are murder.
Humans are really bad at not killing everything.
The majority of the plants we grow are fed to animals first which reduces the calories by over 8x. So if anyone wants to reduce their “plant murder” that’s a good place to start.
Ironically the same bees OP is lamenting about are the reason so many pollinators have died off.
Honey bees are aggressive foragers, and it's really a shame we rely on monocrops because it means we also rely on the same honey bees that are killing all our native bees and pollinators.
From Wikipedia. They're quite literally native for most of the world's population.
The post is about the US
Maybe it is, but the US is only mentioned in passing. The whole tirade about honeybees being an invasive species, however, is a very frequent occurrence on reddit as well as lemmy, where everyone seems to assume that everyone lives in North America.
Not sure why I can’t just eat neither?
Sorry, it's almonds or bees. There is no 3rd option :(
But I don't like eating bees, they're hairy and crunchy.
Then you must choose almonds, sorry no exceptions!
Some more context
I read this many years ago now which covers various metrics across the different types of milk and “milk”
https://blog.bramp.net/post/2021/04/03/alternative-milks/
Ehm... isnt that water directly ingested by either cows or men? The problem with wasting water is ruinning water that could be used by consumption. Maybe im missing something, but this sounds like a futile argument.
Idk, that water is important to save is the argument OP made, I just added context.
You're gonna get death threats.
Them almond titties dry up without enough water.
can you eat data?
You can if you're bitlocker and nobody has a yellow thumb drive.
Given that most Datacenters have not yet been built, this might be accurate for the time being.
The water consumption thing is such a meme. Power consumption? Yup. Waste heat? We got that. Pollution? I don't know but I can take a guess!
Water? Eh. Barely.
Except for the many of them being built in the fucking desert, where water access is already a huge problem.
Yea the water isint being destroyed or used up. Its getting back into the ecosystem through some way (hopefully sans pollutants)
utilization is what goes up and that takes away from people, plants and animals that need it. Basically water bandwidth.
People don't care about water. People care about local water. And they're rightfully upset when some data center just throws it into the sky.
Oh my god! Almond water usage is skyrocketing!
AI justifies killing animals.
I'm sure people don't irrigate almonds with drinking water. The comparison is kind of meaningless...
Unless they use salt water they draw from the same supply of groundwater or surface water as drinking water.
Drinking water is usually surface water or groundwater pumped from a lake/river or a drilled hole in the ground passed through a filter, an UV light to kill bacteria, and possibly some chemicals added to get the correct pH.
The limiting factor for how much drinking water you can make is how much you can pump out of the ground/lake before it dries up.
You don't know much about irrigation or farming do you? I don't know about the US but here in the EU, at least where I live, there is like a 2 magnitude difference between pumping water from a channel versus buying tap water.
Its like ploting the number of people buying food at a fast food joint and a Michelin star restaurant. While both serv food it's weird and misleading to compare it...
And why do you mention salt water? How is that a factor? Neither uses salt water.
It all still comes from the same aquifers or lakes in the end.
80% of Almonds are grown in California. Your turn.
And your point is?
In California, water is so inaccessible as tap water is where the data centers are?? If so, then OK it would makes sense to compare it.
But then California wouldn't be the top almond producer, would it now?
Your turn ;)