he wrote and directed the musical Hairspray and the movie Pink Flamingos. Both of which are worth it if you don't have a predisposition to hating campy, lgbtq+ or musicals.
John waters. As a young straight kid in a religious household in the south he was the first person that showed me there can be humor that involves lgbtq+ people that isn’t hateful or dismissive, followed by David Sedaris. And strangely enough it was through comedy that I first felt empathy for people I had been indoctrinated to hate. He’s definitely out there and quite honestly a lot of his stuff isn’t to my taste but he’s got some great material
Hey, my favorite coffee shop has at least two comfy chairs at each of their... Five? I think they have five locations now. Way to go dudes. Anyways I can shrimp up whenever I visit. I don't want to say they did it just for me but I am a regular and if I can't shrimp I have to go home. They are the best for looking out for me.
I still love how a movie about hackers completely made up what they thought hacker culture might look like, but instead of laughing off a bad Hollywood film hacker culture embraced this invented asthetic and hasn't really let go since
I recently watched that film for the first time and holy shit that movie has aged like fine wine and makes me nostalgic for a bygone subculture that never really existed in the first place
Playing chess against people who have read chess books is the worst... you make one move and they go "ah.. the Toledo-Salamanca opening, I can checkmate in 34 moves."
I have yet to experience that even when playing against a fide master, but talking at the board is bad form. They do however know their way in the opening and it usually ends in disaster sooner or later
I find it's best to play ridiculous moves then that don't show up in any books, you may end up in a strategically worse position but they have to work for their win now instead of just doing memorised plays. It's better to burn out, than to fade away!
It's spelled "pubes" and having a couple thousand really isn't that impressive, though showing them off at the end of a date might still get you laid...
Yeah, I have zero in my house now. I have over 1k on my ereader, in my pocket, and on my tablet. Even when I read physical books I never had this many, every time I got to a couple hundred I'd take them to Goodwill for others to enjoy. My reading list is so long, it's not like I'm likely to reread anything. Every book I reread is one other book I won't get to read before I die.
I see bookshelves like this these days it's like someone with a lot of vinyl. They're either old (old to me and I'm almost 50), or just into an old format for some reason. Nothing wrong with that, it just doesn't mean the same thing it used to.
I have a similar mentality, but I do have some that are particularly memorable that I like to return to, like Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy for example. I also have certain books which are less for reading, like the Onion's our dumb century or I have some railroad and travel books that have tons of cool pictures, but once I've read a book (especially fiction) if I dont forsee rereading it I'll pass it along to someone or donate it to free up more space on my shelf for future books. And then my e-reader has a subset of my ebook library on it, with a mix of both re-reads and to-be-reads because that 32GB of storage will easily hold thousands of ebooks so there's no stress to perfectly curate what I'm carrying with me on it
I think books are cool. Anyone who read books is a cool person and not yet lost to social media addiction. They can still be in the moment with themselves.
I had a period when I could not read a single page in a book because my mind was constantly wanting to use the phone instead. Many people are like that right now.
Sure, the guy has a ton of books in the shelves. But how many mysterious badly sorted storage boxes of books he has? Now that's the real test of character.
Also ask probing questions about how many obsolete programming books he has. It may get awkward but it has to be done.
Paper books are a carbon sink though. The carbon that is held in that paper is held there for as long as the book exists for until it's either burned or composted at which point that possibly decades old carbon gets released into the atmosphere.
Wood and wood products, if sustainably harvested and grown can be really good for the carbon budget because trees pull far more carbon in from the atmosphere while growing than they do once they're fully grown. Meanwhile computers have a comparably short lifetime and require regular hardware replacements to continue operating which consumes far more materials and expends far more carbon than books, plus computers require energy to operate which also has a carbon cost, meanwhile books have a one-time carbon cost of their production and never again
I like books but its media in a different form. It could be great or it could be trash. The book format says nothing. I'd consider someone who watches the YouTube channel Angela Collier as more educated than someone who has a bookshelf full of Danielle Steel novels.
It is really, really, really easy to engage with content on Youtube passively. That is, without really paying attention.
If a person watches Angela Collier on a side screen while playing a video game or something, and can't really recall anything she's talked about, I don't know if that really counts.
You could say that people who watch Angela corrolate with people who do pay attention, but then I'd say that people who watch Angela corrolate with people who own books.
I have bookshelves behind my desk. When I’m on video calls from my home office, I’ve gotten into the habit of using Blur or some other background filter, because people always give me that weird look when they see books in the background. And I’m not even that old....
I very much doubt that the spines are even legible (even if they were, there would be nothing to hide).
It's just that people in the field I work in mostly think books are outdated, which is of course complete nonsense, but somehow that’s how they define themselves.
Yep, unfortunately: A shocking number of people that I meet seem to think that jumping on every trend - no matter how ridiculous - is what sets them apart. But of course, that only applies to those who don’t have a clue about anything. It seems especially important to them to appear "modern," and unfortunately, they don’t even realize how ridiculous that is. You probably know the type: the kind of people who post the most superficial nonsense on LinkedIn day in and day out.
I unfortunately have to deal with people like that a lot; it’s especially widespread among executives and so-called decision-makers. They see some tech trend and get so excited about it that they think they’re the most innovative geniuses of all, just because they can type a prompt into an LLM.
It’s a real shame that so many are so unreflective. At any rate, that’s often my impression when interacting with my clients.
What field? I'm in tech and even I don't know anyone who thinks like that. Most don't make time to read but I've never heard anyone say books are outdated. Maybe as a form of LLM worship, but I don't work with those people lol
I use the presence books or an e-reader in a home as a barometer for how much have in common with the people in it. I'm not a snob about it, either. I don't care if its Harry Potter or obscure volumes of post-structural literary criticism. Just read, please.
I have lots of books and prefer physical media. I've organized them various ways, mostly by author, then by series name and book number (if applicable), then by book title.
I generally prefer mass market format because it's easier to hold, but sometimes a collectible version is too tempting or, in other cases, the mass market option simply isn't available. As a result, my library consists of a wide variety of shapes and sizes of books.
Unfortunately, for assorted reasons, most of my library is in boxes right now. Less unfortunately, I haven't been dating for a long time. However, back when I was dating and my literature was on shelves around my bedroom, sometimes I would bring a partner home and they would complain about my books not being arranged by size or, alternatively, by color.
Of course they could setup their library however they wanted, but I did feel a bit of despair every time I heard this desire for form over function.
Due to a few job losses, moves, and storage losses a while back, I lost and stopped replenishing my physical books, so most of my library is digital. Also helps since I need glasses now.
There are worrying drawbacks to digital also, like whether i might suddenly not own stuff I purchased, but so far it's been better for me.
My last three books read have been on a Kindle. I am considering dumping all my books because I can fit a whole library on the Kindle and saves so much space in the (very small) house. Have I become unfuckable?
i gave away 99% of my books outside a few reference books, I have 1000s of books on an elibary, managed on Caliber and read them on a Kobo. i can and do also use the overdrive app to read library books on my kobo. I also have a library card and visit regularly.
I have an eBook reader which I take everywhere so chances are, you don't even see it when coming to my home because it's in my jacket or backpack. I also have physical books but less than I had without ebooks.
Hmm. Maybe keeping a small library of your fav books in paper form might be nice. Then you can go grab one off the shelf to show friends and also lend them out to people who like/need that format!
Like I keep coffee + paraphernalia even though I don't drink it.
I knew I recognized him from somewhere.
I have no idea who he is, but this is my favorite quote ever, as someone who's both a goth/punk poser and works in cybersecurity.
he wrote and directed the musical Hairspray and the movie Pink Flamingos. Both of which are worth it if you don't have a predisposition to hating campy, lgbtq+ or musicals.
I'll take a look. This is the second quote from him that resonates with me prety deeply, he seems like a cool guy.
If you find his films a bit too much (which is fair), he’s also done a standup show called This Filthy World which you would probably enjoy.
If you have that predisposition you should hatewatch them
John waters. As a young straight kid in a religious household in the south he was the first person that showed me there can be humor that involves lgbtq+ people that isn’t hateful or dismissive, followed by David Sedaris. And strangely enough it was through comedy that I first felt empathy for people I had been indoctrinated to hate. He’s definitely out there and quite honestly a lot of his stuff isn’t to my taste but he’s got some great material
The ludicrously tragic? The tragically ludicrous?
https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000691/
Definitely worth knowing.
Hey, my favorite coffee shop has at least two comfy chairs at each of their... Five? I think they have five locations now. Way to go dudes. Anyways I can shrimp up whenever I visit. I don't want to say they did it just for me but I am a regular and if I can't shrimp I have to go home. They are the best for looking out for me.
What does he mean, there is no look to that. Sure there is...
I still love how a movie about hackers completely made up what they thought hacker culture might look like, but instead of laughing off a bad Hollywood film hacker culture embraced this invented asthetic and hasn't really let go since
I recently watched that film for the first time and holy shit that movie has aged like fine wine and makes me nostalgic for a bygone subculture that never really existed in the first place
If you want a movie of his that’s very accessible, I recommend Pecker. The stuff he’s most known for was just a bit too out there for my tastes.
Legend
He made the greatest No Smoking in the movie theater spots ever made.
Once I offered to buy John Waters a drink, and the bartender got offended
Edit: at the very idea that John Waters would ever be charged for a drink
Dry humping only.
Mormon style soaking?
You can soak, but no jumper.
that's why you get a friend to bounce the bed 😂
HE SAID NO JUMPER🗣️
I dunno, can't see them in a bookshelf. He didn't say anything about making reading cool, just books. "If they don't have books, don't fuck them."
I don't think digital versions count, at least not for John.
This is perfect for me as I have a lot of chess books that I never read
Playing chess against people who have read chess books is the worst... you make one move and they go "ah.. the Toledo-Salamanca opening, I can checkmate in 34 moves."
But that is my favorite way to play chess!
I just haven't actually read any books and an making up the names of moves. I hope my wife hasn't caught on (she caught on the first time didn't she)
I have yet to experience that even when playing against a fide master, but talking at the board is bad form. They do however know their way in the opening and it usually ends in disaster sooner or later
That opening is worth about a million bucks.
I find it's best to play ridiculous moves then that don't show up in any books, you may end up in a strategically worse position but they have to work for their win now instead of just doing memorised plays. It's better to burn out, than to fade away!
Heterodox style. It's the only fun way to play left
True, but I imagine a well-organized Calibre library will flood most basements, genitally speaking.
I guess they don't for me, either, because when I read or listen to a book and really, really like it, I buy a physical copy.
just virtual sex for you.
It's spelled "pubes" and having a couple thousand really isn't that impressive, though showing them off at the end of a date might still get you laid...
Some people read ebooks, especially if they're in a small apartment
Or are poor and have to obtain them creatively™
Can confirm lol
Soulseek FTW!
Yeah, I have zero in my house now. I have over 1k on my ereader, in my pocket, and on my tablet. Even when I read physical books I never had this many, every time I got to a couple hundred I'd take them to Goodwill for others to enjoy. My reading list is so long, it's not like I'm likely to reread anything. Every book I reread is one other book I won't get to read before I die.
I see bookshelves like this these days it's like someone with a lot of vinyl. They're either old (old to me and I'm almost 50), or just into an old format for some reason. Nothing wrong with that, it just doesn't mean the same thing it used to.
I have a similar mentality, but I do have some that are particularly memorable that I like to return to, like Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy for example. I also have certain books which are less for reading, like the Onion's our dumb century or I have some railroad and travel books that have tons of cool pictures, but once I've read a book (especially fiction) if I dont forsee rereading it I'll pass it along to someone or donate it to free up more space on my shelf for future books. And then my e-reader has a subset of my ebook library on it, with a mix of both re-reads and to-be-reads because that 32GB of storage will easily hold thousands of ebooks so there's no stress to perfectly curate what I'm carrying with me on it
So my steam library isn't enough hur?
It better be at least 51% visual novels
Visual "novels"
Most of them are probably closer to novellas by word count, that's a good point.
I have the core rules book, investigator manual, and keeper manual for the Call of Cthulhu TTRPG, does that count?
It counts double.
Looks at hot accountant.
"QuickBooks"
Close enough?
QuickBooks is for when you’re getting fucked by the IRS.
So, for everybody.
Does manga count?
If i go to someones house and they have a manga shelf my clothes are coming off pronto. Assuming all parties consent, that is.
I'll count it
what if all my books are on the compooter
Cyber sex
That's a name I've not heard in a long time.
A/s/l?
Eh, i rent i dont own. Which means i move every few years. Also i have a library card, so i dont own very many books at all. I still read alot tho.
Sorry, you have to do your sex at the library.
What are we sorry for? I thought I enjoyed the library before....
Exclusively the library. Hey, I don't make the terms and conditions on the library cards.
Having sex with hookers is still having sex. Book up or no sex!
I think books are cool. Anyone who read books is a cool person and not yet lost to social media addiction. They can still be in the moment with themselves.
I had a period when I could not read a single page in a book because my mind was constantly wanting to use the phone instead. Many people are like that right now.
Only fuck people who make an expensive signal like Jay Gatsby.
Hahahahaaa
My books are on my phone…
So you can fuck wherever then. Nice.
Yeah, and I am certain you don't have "Poor" by K O'Sullivan
No, I read for fun and that doesn’t look like a book I’d have fun reading
Sure, the guy has a ton of books in the shelves. But how many mysterious badly sorted storage boxes of books he has? Now that's the real test of character.
Also ask probing questions about how many obsolete programming books he has. It may get awkward but it has to be done.
My friends have an Estonian book that teaches fortran 77 and BASIC if I remember correctly. It's a truly wondrous tome.
Fun fact: ebooks are better for the environment than paper books.
Paper books are a carbon sink though. The carbon that is held in that paper is held there for as long as the book exists for until it's either burned or composted at which point that possibly decades old carbon gets released into the atmosphere.
Wood and wood products, if sustainably harvested and grown can be really good for the carbon budget because trees pull far more carbon in from the atmosphere while growing than they do once they're fully grown. Meanwhile computers have a comparably short lifetime and require regular hardware replacements to continue operating which consumes far more materials and expends far more carbon than books, plus computers require energy to operate which also has a carbon cost, meanwhile books have a one-time carbon cost of their production and never again
Sorry John, I only have physical copies of books with pretty pictures on them.
I like books but its media in a different form. It could be great or it could be trash. The book format says nothing. I'd consider someone who watches the YouTube channel Angela Collier as more educated than someone who has a bookshelf full of Danielle Steel novels.
sure, but the point is if they don't have any books at all
the former person would and should have books
Someone with no books but watches Angela Collier is more educated than a person with a bookshelf of Danielle Steele.
You know, I'm not so sure I agree, actually.
It is really, really, really easy to engage with content on Youtube passively. That is, without really paying attention.
If a person watches Angela Collier on a side screen while playing a video game or something, and can't really recall anything she's talked about, I don't know if that really counts.
You could say that people who watch Angela corrolate with people who do pay attention, but then I'd say that people who watch Angela corrolate with people who own books.
If you go home with someone and they dont have shoe laces, don't fuck them.
If no books, a well worn library card is a sexy substitute.
That person will have books, they will be overdue.
I have bookshelves behind my desk. When I’m on video calls from my home office, I’ve gotten into the habit of using Blur or some other background filter, because people always give me that weird look when they see books in the background. And I’m not even that old....
Could it be that the titles / authors of those books are at issue as opposed to the fact that there are books?
I very much doubt that the spines are even legible (even if they were, there would be nothing to hide).
It's just that people in the field I work in mostly think books are outdated, which is of course complete nonsense, but somehow that’s how they define themselves.
No offense, but the people in your field sound like legit wackos lol
Next they'll be saying public education is outdated.
Yep, unfortunately: A shocking number of people that I meet seem to think that jumping on every trend - no matter how ridiculous - is what sets them apart. But of course, that only applies to those who don’t have a clue about anything. It seems especially important to them to appear "modern," and unfortunately, they don’t even realize how ridiculous that is. You probably know the type: the kind of people who post the most superficial nonsense on LinkedIn day in and day out.
I unfortunately have to deal with people like that a lot; it’s especially widespread among executives and so-called decision-makers. They see some tech trend and get so excited about it that they think they’re the most innovative geniuses of all, just because they can type a prompt into an LLM.
It’s a real shame that so many are so unreflective. At any rate, that’s often my impression when interacting with my clients.
I cant recall the name of the sage, but I do recall the quote.
Dumb people be dumb.
What field? I'm in tech and even I don't know anyone who thinks like that. Most don't make time to read but I've never heard anyone say books are outdated. Maybe as a form of LLM worship, but I don't work with those people lol
I also get weird looks in professional zooms with my signed copy of Morning Glory Milking farm in the background
Bold of you to assume their co-workers can read.
What if they're hot
Give them a signed copy of the Kama Sutra, signed by me.
Take them to the library
Keep your condoms behind the books, impress me
But I can't afford to keep books! They take up a lot of space that requires large rooms with shelves and shit. I can't even afford a decent apartment!
What if I show you my Chinese e-reader with my digital collection of pirated books instead? You like Terry Pratchett?
Boox. Absolutely fascinating for pirated books and comics.
I use the presence books or an e-reader in a home as a barometer for how much have in common with the people in it. I'm not a snob about it, either. I don't care if its Harry Potter or obscure volumes of post-structural literary criticism. Just read, please.
I have lots of books and prefer physical media. I've organized them various ways, mostly by author, then by series name and book number (if applicable), then by book title.
I generally prefer mass market format because it's easier to hold, but sometimes a collectible version is too tempting or, in other cases, the mass market option simply isn't available. As a result, my library consists of a wide variety of shapes and sizes of books.
Unfortunately, for assorted reasons, most of my library is in boxes right now. Less unfortunately, I haven't been dating for a long time. However, back when I was dating and my literature was on shelves around my bedroom, sometimes I would bring a partner home and they would complain about my books not being arranged by size or, alternatively, by color.
Of course they could setup their library however they wanted, but I did feel a bit of despair every time I heard this desire for form over function.
Arranging by size or color is the worst. Mine are arranged by topic/category
I read a shit ton of books. I don't care if they're on a screen or in my hands.
Coldness of the word cool isnt my thing. Im more into bloom.
I noticed that my attention span is obliterated.
Only certain types of books can grab me now and it's lower on my list. I don't doom scroll tiktok but I just watch a lot of random YT content.
It's sad because at the end of the year I used to be able to say I've read X. Now it's just following up on random garbage.
I definitely should be reading more and taking the time to read more!
Due to a few job losses, moves, and storage losses a while back, I lost and stopped replenishing my physical books, so most of my library is digital. Also helps since I need glasses now.
There are worrying drawbacks to digital also, like whether i might suddenly not own stuff I purchased, but so far it's been better for me.
There are plugins available for Callibre to remove DRM from ebooks if you want to hedge against Amazon or whomever pulling the rug on you
In suburbia, books are ornaments and rarely read. They are just there to get laid.
Like obviously, how could I possibly fuck someone's books if they don't have any??!
Well it's kinda hard to fuck the books when they don't exist, so yeah that makes sense
I have books.
But do you have fuck?
About thirty or forty per shelf.
Says the man that hasn’t moved homes a lot.
Fuck them book boxes. All hail the public library where you most importantly give the book back!
I live in baltimore and see john waters all the time, he'd f*** any handsome thing with a penis book or not. He's winked sexually at me several times.
No homo, but i like attention so flirting is ok bro.
I would be honored as a straight man to be hit on by Waters
8 drinks in, stinking like booze, with his old clammy hands. Ok, im signing you up for epsteins island 2 electric bugaloo
My last three books read have been on a Kindle. I am considering dumping all my books because I can fit a whole library on the Kindle and saves so much space in the (very small) house. Have I become unfuckable?
If you buy your books on amazon too, yes.
You guys buy your books? Haven't you heard of anna's archive?
May I remind you of the first rule of (lib) genesis.
No.
Yes
I love books. They just have so many words. Just nonstop words.
Honestly, a bookshelf tells you a lot. Even one messy little stack of books is a green flag.
I love old books.
I wish there were more spaces where I could have a comfy chair, a beer and an old tome.
ok boomer
i gave away 99% of my books outside a few reference books, I have 1000s of books on an elibary, managed on Caliber and read them on a Kobo. i can and do also use the overdrive app to read library books on my kobo. I also have a library card and visit regularly.
He can live in a memorial room to dead trees
Welcome to the new dark ages.
I have an eBook reader which I take everywhere so chances are, you don't even see it when coming to my home because it's in my jacket or backpack. I also have physical books but less than I had without ebooks.
well what if one can't read books, they have to listen to Audiobooks?
Hmm. Maybe keeping a small library of your fav books in paper form might be nice. Then you can go grab one off the shelf to show friends and also lend them out to people who like/need that format!
Like I keep coffee + paraphernalia even though I don't drink it.
Then talk about what you've been listening to on the date
They're about due for a comeback
Oh man… but if we let all the people who don’t have books just fuck each other instead of us… isn’t that how we get Idiocracy / this timeline?
Books over sex? Nah fam, you can keep that deal
I agree with this.
"No. Your kindle doesn't count! You don't own any of that shit."
Jailbreak, Anna's, calibre.
Shush.