Tinder takes action against AI profiles by making users scan eyes for “proof of humanity”
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All they had to do was improve their facial recognition to scan all photos. Scammers would use fake photos and put their real photo (ai edited slightly) as the their last photo. This allowed them to get verified, but still scam. They don’t need more biometrics. Other apps are doing fine without your iris scans.
Yeah but then they wouldn't get to collect people's biometric data to sell to the highest bidder.
From what I've read, the "dating" meat market apps are doing horrible. I doubt they want to invest in a sinking ship, at least more than they have to.
“Let’s partner with a bot maker to prevents bots. This is not about collecting and selling user data. No, not at all” 🙄😑
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You want some fuk? Give us you biometric data!
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Well that was a quick decision to delete my account
As soon as it mentioned eye scanning I assumed Sam Altman was involved. Didn't he have that world coin thing where he scanned a bunch of eyes in impoverished countries?
IIRC altman stiffed the Brazillians who scanned their irises in his scam, never paid a dime
They give you the poison to sell you the cure.
In 6 months chatgpt 37.5 bots will now be able to recreate human irises
I didn't realize there were still real people that use Tinder. I thought it was all bots by this point.
It was a spam bot swarm a decade ago.
I checked again around 2023, then it was full of human backed fake profiles that pushed cryptocoin scams. It's called pig butchering.
Today I assume it's still pog butchering but backed by LLMs instead of people.
Pogs are back? Finally, my investment will pay off!
PogChamp
I think I was last on it pre-pandemic and, yeah, it was a bot fest. The profiles that appeared to be legit humans weren't all that impressive either.
I can't imagine going back. Unless I pivot careers to crypto scammer.
Also in Minority Report, they do the whole eye scanning thing.
What if I train a generative AI on thousands of images of iris's and start generating fake ones?
Gee I wonder where one might get a database full of iris scans?
There's gotta bee a good enough example set somewhere for research already
OpenAI is the one running this "verification". That's exactly what they'll be doing with the data
Sure, let's pretend they care about that issue. It's not about collecting user data to re-sell later, oh no
AI is not doing this all on it's own.
Where there are fake profiles, there are also real human scammers owning them. And they won't have no problem at all with buying enough real human data from somewhere.
So if tinder wanted to do such a thing for serious, they wouldn't choose such a stupid , short-sighted action.
Why are they so insistant of iris scans? What are they getting out of it?
Data to sell
make the AIs better by scanning thousands of human eyes lol
Because it's "futuristic" and fascists are obsessed with that image
No, it is because it is a unique identifier for them to collect and sell.
You know it's most likely not an either/or thing. It's most likely both.
Fascists are very obsessed with image. It's a big chunk of why the Nazis hired Hugo Voss to design the SS uniforms
Fair enough.
Could be unique like a fingerprint. Might be able to crosscheck this with other biometric data, like when a picture is taken at airports or border crossings.
Those fast track lines at the airport I recently read somewhere is supplied by a private entity, which means all those face scans are just added into a database for future surveillance.
You can say no to the face scan at those. The TSA agents don't get paid enough to try to convince you otherwise and just say "okay." The amount of people just willingly scanning their faces for whatever nefarious bullshit they want to scan faces for does not surprise me, but does cause me dismay
To keep people without eyes off their platform.
If this truly were about keeping bots off the platform, I'd predict a great improvement in how genAI renders human eyes. Either way: supposed problem not solved, but more sensitive data collected in the process. Task failed successfully.
Oh, people didn't like the idea of giving their ID to third parties? Let's move up to irreplaceable body parts. Next step: your fucking blood. Good luck declaring that one stolen when the database inevitably leaks.
That reminds me of my ex, she was willing to give her physical address and phone number to anyone who asked, but not her email address, because of security concerns.
Bro they made most of the profiles. It's profitable.
for the love of god don't fall for this
Haven't used Tinder in a few years, but I guess I won't be using it in the future. I'm not scanning my eye to use what is arguably the worst dating app.
So what's the dating scene like for bots anyway? What do they do on a first date? Do they show eachother their prompt?
They are scammers who try to manipulate you into buying worthless crypto, or blackmail you after you send "your girlfriend" intimate pictures or videos.
What stops a human running Tinder bot profiles from scanning their eyeball, getting the badge, and continuing on their merry way of running the bot?
If you can limit things to one bot per person, it will solve the problem. One bot per person is equivalent to traditional cat fishing.
I guess also they have an eye print that will identify the scammer if they're ever caught.
I guess the have to be somewhat unique like a face.
Your iris is as unique as a fingerprint.
So... Not unique
It's it easy to generate fake fingerprints though?
No thanks, I'm out
This stuff is gonna fail hard
Maybe it is finally time for open-source(ish) dating to make an impact!
(It won't. I tried it a couple years back and it is a ghost town!)
It's probably a Goldilocks zone thing where too few prevents it from working, and too many will inevitably be overrun by bots and scanners.
Oh I just watched a video on this the other day, apparently scammers (like the types who do romance scams, pretending to be a gorgeous guy, then taking all your money) are getting around this security function.
They upload all stolen pics of a gorgeous guy (probably exists for women versions too) then there's one picture of them, because they have to have one pic of themselves to get the verification tick. But that one pic is obscured, like a face on a billboard or add on a poster on a street. And then tinder verifies the whole account, regardless of the other pics. I forget, it's either bumble or hinge, I think it was bumble, deletes all the pics that don't look like you, after verification, so those were sites that block that scam.
That's an aside from ai profiles. There does need to be something to protect users from scammers. I couldn't ever speak for what the best verification option is, myself.
I watched the video yesterday! Here are links for those interested:
Something very weird is happening on Tinder (YouTube)
Something very weird is happening on Tinder (Invidious mirror)
That was really well done. Where he went through and tested the verification process, to see how far he could push it. That bit was really eye opening.
Dating apps are what broke dating. If you are using dating apps, you're doing it wrong.
Tell that to the millions of people who met long-term partners only because they used dating apps. I met mine on an app and now we have a kid together. We don't have overlapping friend groups, and although we share hobbies we didn't do them in the same areas.
I live in a tiny ass town where the only two ways people socialize with strangers is drinking and maybe gambling and even then this is not a very social area. I am a currently sober alcoholic and even if I liked gambling I don't have the money for it. Thoughts on how I can date 'correctly'?
Move.
That's basically what the rest of us did.
That's advice on the level of "Just take a small 10 million dollar loan from your father."
Laughably unserious.
You need to meet the people where they are at.
I moved recently, and nearly died as a result. It was hell. And I got lucky too. I've moved 10 times. Each move was hell. I never benefitted from moving. I just treaded water. I often moved because I had to, not because it was good, and by often I mean each time. Often one aspect would improve while another would go into the toilet. Not a single move was a pure win or a solution to anything. Fuck every trashcan out there that casually, completely mindlessly, suggests moving like moving is so easy, like it has no downsides, like moving is a solution, like moving is affordable to anyone any time, etc. Fuck that kind of "advice." Fuck every trashcan out there with this kind of "just take a small 10 million dollar loan from of father" style of advice. Or like "just learn how to code." Another trash advice. In fact 99% of all life advice is trash.
I mean.. what do you want me to tell you? I moved to a big city the moment I turned 18. I then moved a bunch of times, and then immigrated. I'm broke, bro. I still did it. I put my shit in the back of my 15+ year old volvo and moved.
Based on the downvotes, ya'll salty and hating, apparently. And refusing to take personal responsibility for your loneliness. Go outside. Visit a hackspace. Meet some furries. Have some depraved sex at a convention.
Edit: Thread full of people unable to take control of their lives and unwilling to make sacrifices for their futures.
I've moved plenty and you don't see me ever casually suggesting it to a stranger on the internet. Not once.
There is no one, no one ALIVE, who doesn't know about moving. Likely the person you suggested it to moved 5 times already and knows more about it than you. It's very possible.
Eat shit with your shit advice.
The person was asking about dating and you told them to move without knowing a damn thing about their life or preferences. It's really dumb.
Unfathomably based. Moving is a fucking nightmare 99% of the time and having a good chunk of expendable money only cuts how shitty it is down a bit, it still sucks. Especially if you’re moving far from your family and friends.
Tell me about it. Even moving to a cheaper area is usually too expensive upfront. This shit is just barely above fiefdom and fuck anyone pretending otherwise.
The ol "my life experience is universal" argument I see. I did move, everything I own fits into a backpack and a suitcase. I'm in this tiny ass town because it is where I could get a visa because I'm fleeing the US before they execute my trans ass. If I leave now we're talking flushing literally tens of thousands usd down the drain on the off chance I manage to find another way to get a visa somewhere else.
So as far as dating goes again I'd love to know what the correct way is if not apps, and I'm vetoing "risk my life" options like moving.
Ignoring being a bitch there for a second:
For what its worth, there's a lot of trans people in the furry fandom. If you can get past the cringe, you might find someone you like. And theres a lot of furries. Theres probably a fair few closer than you think
The mainstream normie apps are trash.
"Have you tried being a furry chaser" is not what I expected but I suppose it does meet my given criteria, plus it's an app so I'd say we all win this one
What a boomer-ass sounding comment. Most of my friends met their partners on Tinder or Bumble, and so did I.
For people in more rural areas, shy people, or mid-life relationship-seekers/divorcees, dating apps are the absolute most efficient way of meeting people you wouldn’t otherwise normally get to.
Bot accounts may be a problem, but not everywhere, and not for everyone.
Personally, I can’t recommend dating apps enough. Boosted my confidence, made me better at conversation, allowed me to be pickier in my choices, and found me my soul mate.
yup met my spouse on Tindahhh.
Saying dating apps are dead is a silly take, maybe Tinder is dead, but there may be a new option (bumble, hinge? IDK I have a spouse).
Not a fucking chance.
Next in AI: realistic eyes!
god damnit i was planning on re joining tinder soon. not anymore
It's gotten really, really bad, you're not missing much. It's borderline useless and all about getting you to pay out the ass for "premium features."
I miss old-school OKCupid. Fuck Match Group.
any suggestions on what to use? im getting a bit tired of not meeting people
I wish I knew. Some people like Facebook Dating, and it's still at least "free," but I've personally made it my goal to meet people in-person and, to that end, I've been (gently) rejected twice in the last few weeks. Trying to put myself out there though, which has its own thrill.
yeah maybe i should rejoin facebook. appreciate your time, and best luck. :)
Likewise!
its just full of people who are not actually looking for anyone, crazy people, people who will not answer you ever. And on top of that, there is like will be 10 men for every woman and if you dont pay you will be at the very bottom of the list, if you pay you will be competing with others who pay, except those who pay more who will still be above you.
Its miserable experience, dont do it to yourself.
Our Tinder experiences must have been very different.
Yes, men are competing in theory, but no more so than in real life. And the app literally puts you in contention with them.
The other thing is, if you’ve decided that it is in fact a competition, then the thing to remember is that those other people are also competing with you. Just don’t consider them, they’re not relevant to you.
My girlfriend had 80+ matches when I started talking to her. I had 3. And yet here we are. I’ve no doubt it was the same for the other women I met on there.
Dating on apps is the same as dating in real life. If you’re genuinely searching for someone, you need to get yourself noticed and be the best that you can be. The basics are equally important in both worlds. Be a good person, make people laugh, be interesting, be interested in them, don’t immediately be a thirsty prick, exercise, feel good about yourself, etc, etc.
Every day i had it installed i cursed that i had to even use the application, it just made me feel miserable and that i'm just cattle for the corporation, not human being searching for another.
It constantly trys to hook you into spending money and reminds you that you might be missing out if you dont with the blurred profiles of people that have liked you, which are always someone from hundreds of km away anyway or bots, but they might not be also.
And there is also that I'm neurodivergent, so it also filters me out from majority of other people > others just think fundamendally differently than me. And only people that match with me are people i'm not necessarily that interested in but would be willing to at least get to know them, but that isnt very good starting point for finding a girlfriend. I know i would have at least something to offer to others, but i'm not that good at expressing myself so I wont be given a chance or will get misunderstood because i can't express myself in right way.
Mere existence of dating applications kind of make me anxious, since it means other people will be using those instead of being open outside of them. I dont want to even use them, but i feel that i'm forced to if i want to meet people that are looking for anything.
I have also used other applications too, like badoo, hinge and even okcupid. While on tinder you get more matches than on those others, people seem to be less interested in actually talking with you.
That math ain't mathing, bud. You ever wonder what's going on with the 77 other women you didn't match with? Or are we supposed to believe they somehow never actually existed? Are hospitals lying about the number of girls born into the world? Are 90% of girls dying as children? Do women have lower standards for relationships? Is there one guy out there engaged in polygamy with all 77 women? Or are they all ugly and don't deserve love?
Conversely, why did your girlfriend have to go through 80+ guys to get to you?
Dating apps are incel factories. They have no incentive to actually match you with a mate at all, much less a soulmate. The fact that you did anyway is actually a failure-to-profit on their part, and you have successfully defied their business model and found love despite their efforts. Good for you.
Good for you doesn't imply good for everyone though, nor good for society. They are toxic hellholes, and I stand by my assertion that they are what broke dating (for almost everyone, genuinely glad they didn't get you, enjoy your life of never having to use a dating app again)
I don’t need to wonder, you can literally download your statistics, and they provide comparative results. But I would have thought the reason was obvious.
Most men literally swipe right on everyone. Most women are considerably more selective. They get more matches because chances are the guy they’ve swiped right on has already swiped right on them. That aspect is not a conspiracy.
Exactly the same as if your hot wife suddenly divorced you. There will be far more men knocking down her door than women knocking on yours.
It doesn't sound like you really have any understanding of, or concern for, what happened to the other 77 women, nor what happened to the other 79+ men your girlfriend "swiped left" on in your scenario.
And you're accusing me of using boomer logic? That's some classic boomer logic if I've ever heard it: "I got mine, fuck the rest of you, it's obvious why you all failed, you just need to work harder or lower your standards, even though I didn't, because everything just worked out flawlessly for me and I don't want to be too introspective about why in case I accidentally develop some empathy about it"
Yeah, dating apps are just fine the way they are. Nothing wrong with them at all.
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This is almost exactly the opposite of what I was saying, and it’s a very telling interpretation.
No, I have no concern for the other men I was “competing” with. Why would I? They have absolutely zero bearing on my own successes or failure. If one of them got the girl, am I supposed to be mad about it?
As I said anecdotally, the majority of my friends met their partners on an app. There is no “I got mine”. I gave advice on what worked for me. The literal basics, widely acknowledged, that apply online or off. I’m not sure what other advice I’m supposed to offer in that respect that shows I “have empathy or concern for the other 79 men” that you’ve mentioned.
I’m also not sure what you’re talking about with regards to my concern for “the other 77 women”. Who are they? People who didn’t match with me? That’s fine - if someone’s not into my profile, then that’s okay. Do I have to be concerned for them somehow? In what way?
People have their own successes on the apps. Nearly 20% of UK adults under 50 met their partner on an app. That’s current partner - not all partners. The percentage who met anyone is higher.
To be honest if this tone is a reflection of how you talk to people online, then it goes some way to explain why you might not being seeing success on dating apps, presuming that’s the case. Try not to assume the worst.
or the peen.
Proof of humanity on Tinder. That'll be the day.
The writing on the wall says this will be required to access anything on the internet. I'll go a step farther and say, DNA will be required to access the internet. Only once life would be impossible to live without access. Getting closer and closer.
Is this legal in Europe? I doubt that will fly here.
I've not used tinder anyway, I'm more the feeld kinda person but I bet this kind of thing will spread if it's successful.
Why not? What is the difference between that and other proof of authenticity through pictures?
Hey, you! Yea, you reading this.
This scan won't work on you. The app will get lost in your eyes. 😏
If it's anything like whatever eyeball tech my local DMV was using last time I had to go in for a new license, it won't work because I have to forcibly open my eyes so ludicrously far, like Gowron on meth, that I would never put that on their app.
In the context of online dating, I actually agree with implementing the same level of KYC checks that banks and credit card issuers have adopted. I also think the FTC needs to step in and break up the monopoly Match Group has created.
All of these platforms are littered with fake profiles, scammers and foreign women searching for the means to a green card. It's made them practically unusable.
A/S/L
If that's a serious question, 34/M/Bristol.
tinder is 0% of humanity by definition💀
I'll be their brown-eyed girl...
Imagine still using dating apps in 2026.
tinder is basically a hookup app.