Unless, things get so fucked that it results in multiple landslide elections for the opposing party. If they had a supermajority in every branch, they could practically rewrite it all from scratch.
That was my bad, I got it in my head that we were talking about fixing the fuck ups. You're right, trust will take time, but I think everyone will be willing to at least give us a chance once the orange one is gone.
No they won't. He was in once and then gone. But he came back and so much worse. He has demonstrated that not only is there enough appetite among the voting populace for his brand of hate and violence, but that our institutions are woefully incapable of protecting their own country let alone the fucking world. Prior to that I'm sure most of the world would have thought straight up kidnapping a "democratically" elected world leader and a full on unprovoked war (in all but name) would be impossible. But here we are. Anything short of an actual uprising or revolution won't be sufficient on their own. I'd bet good money we don't have a chance at seeing a return to the position and soft power we held for at least half a century.
The Orange one has demonstrated how useless the system is at dealing with him. It doesn't matter what the next guy says, everyone has seen that the guy after that can just blatantly ignore the rules again, tear up and ignore agreements, and nothing will stop him.
That's the real problem. The promises and signed agreements of America mean nothing now. I don't know how you fix that without some serious structural changes and some way of proving those changes will be actually enforced.
The US needs to look inward and figure out how to reconstruct itself, or it needs to balkanize and let the theocratic feudal states and the oligarchic surveillance states destroy themselves and their populations in their own ways.
The existing political system is shot top to bottom, complete regulatory capture, corrupted judiciary, masked secret police black bagging and executing people on the street, wasted idiots in charge of state, defense, and health...
USA needs to stop worrying about how to impress the girl at the club and think about how to stop hurting themselves and others before they even think about relationships again.
Just in the last year the US has systematically threatened and insulted every country in the world, and most world leaders individually (except NK, RU, IR, of course). And the US is still making things worse for the entire planet, proudly and defiantly. And the next president will continue this way of behaving because ALL US PRESIDENTS do now.
Asking this question is like a bully asking the kid to forgive him while continuing to punch him.
What? I’m literally asking what the next leader should do to start improving the situation, not asking anyone’s forgiveness. If you can’t name one actual concrete thing, just admit it.
Your belief that one man, "the president" (or any one person) can do something that big is in itself part of the problem. Your democracy is flawed so you need to fix that first instead of thinking you need some superman that will just "do something".
It's like bulldozing a house and then ask what the bulldozer can do to "fix things".
I’m actually with you - I don’t believe any one president can just wave a magic wand and do away with regulatory capture forever. I’m not sure what I said specifically that made you think I put that all on the president.
However it would be equally fallacious to say he can do nothing. It is still a very relevant question, which no one seems to want to answer: what CAN the next president DO to restore trust? Not necessarily restore it ALL but begin to heal the situation? No colorful metaphors. Actual actions that are within the power of the office. This is a real question.
Well, for anyone curious about history, the answer is "very little" because it does no longer depend on the president, but on the whole country. Or so I see it.
And it becomes fairyland quickly because so many things that would have to happen are not going to happen without the whole country stepping up and behind a new power.
That's why the American president in this manner is quite worthless. But to answer your question, the thing s/he could do would be just that, unify the country behind a morally good idea. Anything else just won't change what we think about the usa for the better.
So, unify the country behind a new democratic system. Then give it a decade or two!
That is something Americans don't really understand. Trump has pushed the envelope but he isn't as much of an outlier as many Americans would like to believe. His incompetence and arrogance make it easy to see how awful he is but his agenda is the regular American agenda with some more guardrails removed. They don't seem to notice that their Senate, Congress and Supreme Court have mainly supported him with exceedingly little pushback.
The biggest difference between Trump and his predecessors is that Trump is not pretending.
Regan, Bush, Clinton, the other Bush, Obama, Biden, they all bomb whoever they want, kill whoever they want, support Israel's genocidal policy, interfere in another country elections, ... all those bad things that Trump are not hiding.
For the rest of the world it's business as usual but this time not behind closed doors.
I think the difference was that before other countries would see themselves as allies and thus as part of the West. NATO is just one of many alliances that went beyond just pretending.
Now Trump threatened all of this. Take over Canada? Get back the Panama Canal? "Rescue" Greenland? Get out of NATO? Suddenly it becomes clear that it was a mistake to trust the US so much and that the same rules should count for them as anyone else.
i'm no expert in global politics so take this with a grain of salt but i would not say trusting US was a "mistake". there are tons(*) of trustworthy Americans out there. and every alliance always comes with some amount of risk but it's just how we humans work.
(* - yes I mean tons, plural, I'm pretty sure it's at least few tons :D)
A complete overhaul of the electoral process that allowed fascists to gain complete control.
A complete overhaul of the society that became so sick that they willingly put the fascists there. Twice.
A complete overhaul of the elittest pedophile bi/trillionaire class that has unfettered control over every branch of state and federal government and meddles in foreign affairs across the globe.
In short: The USA would need to be torn down and rebuilt.
Gaining trust starts with accountability. People who have abused their position of power need appropriate punishment and be made to pay for the damage they have done.
We have taken a "let's just move on" strategy too often in the past. The American people aren't going to buy it this time.
As far as trust for America the country is concerned, holding guilty parties accountable will help that too, but mostly what it will take is time.
US citizen living abroad. Not going to happen in one presidential term and the US has probably permanently fucked itself in terms of special currency/status/soft power ever getting back to the level it was.
The Trump preaidencies aren't a radical break from the past, he's just an unveiling of it's darkest, ugliest, impulses and the logical conclusion of its ideals.
Maybe European mainstream leaders can convince themselves to get back into bed with US imperialism, as we benefit from it so much, but US in the eyes of the people never recovered post Iraq II, and across the whole world the US is now primarily seen as the demagogic bully that it is.
The US must learn to get along with its neighbours and treat other nations and people with respect.
Even if a completely sane, smart, and wonderful president were elected, and every country loved them, why would they trust us? We are always one crazy election away from... well, this.
New Nuremberg trials for all in, and allies propping up, the former regime
Transparent audit of everything trump broke and real-time checklist of process to restore critical needs, prioritizing human lives.
A lasting and appropriate punishment for trump himself
Recovering the funds to do all of the above from trump and complicit billionaires in the private sector - starting with musk for his own crimes against humanity.
A job corp to employ all of the AI layoffs, similar to the New Deal's Civilian Conservation Corps. Needs a healthy vetting to avoid left over trump chuds
Expand the Supreme Court
End Citizens United
All trump appointees, in all positions, are removed from offices immediately. If not convicted in new Nuremberg trials, they can still reapply for positions and be consists as any other
The demolished east wing will be rebuilt as a simple building and used as a museum to the attrocities that trump committed and the people and institutions that enabled him. An artist will be commissioned to design a pitch black facade, perhaps in the shape of the old building. It should look out of place and awkward, and stand forever as a sort of black eye on America. To show how the nation was injured and not cover it up. There will be legislation to perpetually fund the museum and make admission free to all.
The future will require a simple understanding - there was not an equivalency here, no two valid sides. The was objective wrong and right. No more pretending
Trump-appointed Supreme Court judges can be removed by a single person. They need to be at the right place at the right time and have a good kit and aim. While this could physically undo the appointments, it would decrease the trust in the country's safety, as all assasinations do.
Considering we have concentration camps and death squad paramilitary police forces that have on record conducted what are effectively summary executions… decreasing trust in the country’s safety would simply be a course correction of public perception.
There are legislative bodies that exist precisely for changing such laws. Make an exceptional law that is valid for only this one time use and then hire new judges, some of which are allowed to be among the ones fired.
Do you mean within the US or trust internationally?
The rest of the world has begrudgingly let the US dominate world commerce, culture, and morality. Now they're realizing how much of their own identity they've given away, and are struggling to recover from it. Critically, even if the US ever gets their shit together again, nobody else wants to go back to the same relationship they had. We've been forced out of an abusive relationship, and now we're free.
And here I am, stuck living in the one country in the world that's only getting closer to the US: Israel. I pray that by the end of the next decade or three, when the dust settles, we'll be closer to Europe instead, as we've been in the past. But that seems practically impossible.
Sigh maybe I'll move to Europe. I'd probably fit in better culturally.
Interesting. My stock pixel keyboard has ℅ as an alternate long press to %. In SwiftKey, the alternate is ‰ while c/o seems to be nowhere to be found. I didn't know I had either available as long press q from the main keyboard group is just % and nothing else (some keys have multiple alternates, like long press x shows $ but also has ¢£₹¥€, for example)
Yeah, that's true. Although, not by much.
I remember that in 1990's there was still plenty of distrust towards them, as they were seen as nazis. Nobody wanted Germany to become strong. The 1990's began 45 years after WWII had ended, and while the trust had been almost recovered, it was still not intact. I'm not sure if it's even now: Germany is the biggest reason we didn't support Ukraine militarily as much as needed back in spring 2022. They wanted cheap gas and were ready to accept horrors in the name of political realism. It's hard at least for me to not see a connection between that cynicism and what the same cynicism led to in 1920's and 1930's.
I lived in Germany from '83 to '94, and while there were certainly individuals who didn't trust them (my grandfather's cousin in Denmark certainly didn't), they had long since earned the trust of other countries' governments by that point.
If there were an actual way to give all rural areas to Russia, sure, let them see how wonderful the totalitarian government they so desperately want would be to live under.
To fix it quickly you are going to have to abuse your power immediately like Republicans have. But you are also going to need at minimum a majority in the house and Senate, preferably a supermajority which I doubt that happens.
Prosecute traitors immediately.
Immediately expand the supreme court
Help install safeguards so this never happens again. Like for presidential nominess for secretary of defense or education. Only select people who work in that field and with knowledge of the job can nominate people for consideration and the president can only hire those nominated
Yep wanting to hold these fucks accountable and using extreme measures to make sure this never happens again is a problem. Lmao you sound like a conservative simp
It's like it is not even trump the problem in the long run, but 50%+ of senators etc who just let an insane person burn down the whole country lol. Greek drama for sure.
Sorry for the wall of text, but I've been thinking a lot about what we would have to do to redeem America in the eyes of its citizens, the world, and history. In order to do that, MAGA must be fully crushed, and purged from our government and society. Nothing less is acceptable.
First of all, MAGA must be dealt with as the ongoing National Security Threat that it genuinely is. They are responsible for a violent Insurrection, and the theft of hundreds of classified documents, as well as breath-taking corruption, that they don't even bother to hide. They are a treasonous organization that must be treated like the Nazis or the KKK, and essentially prohibited from existing. Their leaders should be arrested and imprisoned for their crimes.
In addition, the election fraud from the 2024 election must be exposed, and the Trump administration declared invalid. That will roll back ALL EOs, legislation, appointments, SCOTUS decisions, etc. It will be like the second Trump administration didn't exist.
And that includes his Pardons, which are all criminal cover ups. ALL Trump pardons are invalid, and those criminals have to return to serve out their sentences. Anyone who doesn't voluntarily surrender, will be charged with escape, and get another decade attached to their sentence with no time off for good behavior or parole. Every pardon will be investigated, and anyone found to have paid a bribe of any kind, will get additional charges, as well as anyone who facilitated the payments, such as family members, accountants, lawyers, politicians, etc.
Anyone involved in the January 6 insurrection will be declared prohibited from holding public office, per the 14th Amendment, Section 3. Anyone who amplified the Big Lie that the 2020 election was stolen, the primary motivation of the Insurrection, is complicit, and is prohibited from public office. If you EVER said that Trump won the 2020 election, and/or the Democrats stole it, then you were an active participant in the Insurrection, and you can't hold office. If you are in a debate, and you are asked who won the 2020 election, and you say Trump, you are instantly disqualified. If you were instrumental in planning or organizing the Insurrection, then it's life in prison.
That includes every single person who spoke at the rally just before the Insurrection. Remember that video of them all in the backstage tent before the rally? Every single one of those people should serve life prison sentences. They were laughing and partying, as they honestly thought they were launching a violent attack that would result in the deaths of numerous politicians, including the VP, and the end of our democratic government, so they could install Trump as dictator for life. The very top leaders should be publicly executed.
With all those MAGAs instantly out of office due to 14A, and MAGAs not allowed to ever hold office, it will take a while for whatever new conservative party organizes (the Republicans were just the larval stage of MAGA, so they're dead, too), and starts to run candidates that qualify under 14A/S3, and anti-MAGA laws. That gives the Dems the opportunity to pass all sorts of legislation to get America on a decent moral path into the future. Part of it will be laws that codify certain rights that conservatives have tried to suppress, like reproductive rights, immigrant rights, workers rights, etc.
And we have to pass strong anti-corruption laws, and that starts by changing the way we treat wealth in this country. Sociopathic Oligarchs have untreated OCD Hoarding syndrome, which manifests as financial hoarding, and it is become bad enough that it is having serious detrimemtal impacts on the majority of the citizens of the WORLD. We can't do anything about it in other countries, but we can certainly change things on America.
If someone was hoarding cats, or rusty old appliances, etc, to the point that it was affecting the lifestyles and property values of their neighbors, the authorities would step in and end it. We need to do that with financial hoarders. We need to confiscate their hoards, and redistribute it. Just like all those cats need to find nice families, we can find better uses for that Sociopathic Oligarch money.
The wealthy think we serve them, and we have to make them understand that they keep their wealth at the pleasure of the people, and the minute that wealth is not serving the people, it will be entirely confiscated, and the Sociopathic Oligarch will be imprisoned. Further, their family will be prevented from accessing public assistance, scholarships, etc. They will be officially destitute.
Sociopathic Oligarchs who have already egregiously violated the public trust (Trump, of course, Musk, Theil, Ellison, Bezos, Zuckerfuck, etc.) will have their entire hoards fully confiscated immediately, and their fortunes used to rebuild America, and provide the seed funding for social programs like free healthcare, daycare, college/trade school, UBI, etc.
Wealth will be HEAVILY taxed, not work. Workers under a certain income will pay no income tax, that will be covered by the wealthy and corporations. Anyone found to hiding wealth in offshore/ foreign banks, will have their entire hoard confiscated, and they will be imprisoned.
We will no longer fund ANYTHING for capitalists. They can pay for what they want. No more stadiums, no more tax breaks, nothing but heavy taxes on your profits, AND your personal revenue. We pay for services for the people FIRST, and whatever is leftover can be allocated to the military and such, but not one penny will ever go to billionaires or they corporations.
It is also imperative that we pass strong Campaign Finance Reform, which is the single issue from which ALL other issues flow. We must prohibit money in campaigns, and tightly regulate them regarding length, and campaign language. The kind of lies and rhetoric we heard from Trump will result in immediate disqualification from the campaign.
And to prevent this all from happening again 50 years in the future, the educational curriculum will be created and administered by the Federal government. 2+2=4, CAT spells cat in every state, we don't need 50 different curriculums. That just allows Red states to teach treasonous, racist propaganda. The new curriculum will have a strong emphasis on Critical Thinking Skills, including how to recognize and reject propaganda. It will also teach proper history, including Slavery and the Native American Genocide, with an emphasis on acknowledging those atrocities so that they can't happen again.
All of this can be done without running afoul of our laws or the Constitution, it just takes the political courage and will to do it. The American people want it, we just have to force our political representatives to do what they are told, and to do that, we have to make them fear us. If you have Dem in the House or Senate who is a cowardly weenie, vote them out in the primary, in favor of an angry reformer. Let's send a bunch of pissed off Democrats to DC to kick ass in BOTH parties.
Thanks for the compliment, but respectfully, YOU are the problem. They are politicians and are inherently lazy and greedy. If you give them permission to do nothing, that is exactly what they'll do, and they'll go back to their insider trading and grifting.
We are in unprecedented times, and require unprecedented solutions. We absolutely cannot accept the same strategy of "We've tried nothing, and we're all out of ideas."
There is no reason we have to keep doing the same failed strategies of the past. Instead of telling them that we'll accept nothing, send the message that if we take the country back from MAGA with our votes AGAIN, they better not squander it a second time, or they will suffer the same punishments as MAGA, which will be a LOT worse if we have to go through it a third round.
This is their last shot, and they better do what they are elected to do, or else.
I know it's more the general "you", but still damn. I'm doing the best I can from a deep red state and area (Missouri district 2). I do tons of various volunteer work alongside working with a local socialist group assisting in education and organizing protests. Dems are trying to get something here, but they have an incredibly hard battle if they want to beat Ann Wagner, let alone the duo of Josh "Jogs" Hawley and Eric Schmitt. Last time we had a Dem representing us was for 2 years back in the early 90s and the current one has held her job for 13 years.
Yeah, I mean YOU to mean all the people who hear what we need to do, and just immediately surrender with a resigned sigh that it will never happen. And it won't, unless we MAKE it happen.
I get your situation, I live in Central Florida, the last Democratic stronghold in the state, which is under direct attack by MAGAs. Over the next few years, they are planning to build an entirely NEW city from scratch, between Orlando and the East Coast, that will be as large as Orlando, which will greatly reduce the Democratic
How do you start a conservative city from scratch? You allow the Mormon Church to buy thousand of acres of land, including protected conservation land, and then let them build a city dedicated to their church, so they can have a West Coast capital, and an East Coast Capital.
Central Florida is about to be invaded by some of the most gullible religious weirdos on the planet.
It's surprising how many states are actually fairly evenly split, but the Right has convinced people that their vote is powerless, so they don't bother. If all those Democrats came out to vote, a few Red states would have some surprise flips. This would be a great election to do that, since the MAGAs are so depressed, many will be voting Dem, and many won't vote at all. The Dems could really crush them, and I'd love to see the MAGAs cry when they get bloodbathed even worse than they expected..
Only speaking for myself, the following are necessary, but not sufficient:
Hand him over to the International Court of Justice, along with his entire regime.
*...including Schumer and Fetterman.
Initiate prosecution of the actual criminals without fear or favor: ICE, cops, Musk, DOGE, wage-thieving employers, et cetera.
Lock up the billionaires. Don't be a lawless dictator, though, there is 110% some good, legal reason that can be found. (But shoot 'em if they resist.)
Bomb the IDF out of existence and round up illegal foreign agents (AIPAC, et al.)
I have suggestions if they want to get serious on Day 2, as well.
Exactly. There was a chance to win back trust after the orange idiots first term, but now that the US has shown it is willing to make the same stupid mistake again, no matter what the next president does, there's always the possibility of another idiot ruining everything after that. only chance is for the American people to stop being 50:50 split and take a clear stance against fascists.
Abolish lobbying and any level of secrecy for politicians
Reclaim all private property owned by anyone with more than 5 million dollars and fairly redistribute it.
Disband the CIA.
Make all documents in the government public record.
Write a new constitution listing all possible ways the government could be exploited to be reviewed anually with lifetime Incarnation and labor for violations and compounding punishment for each individual involved.
I know it'll never happen, but I'd like to add
7. All presidents will be forced to live at the poverty level after their term is over for the rest of their life. No rich friends, no stocks or businesses.
I was going to say that, but I felt it was at least slightly plausible that we might make one guy a sacrificial lamb, rather than most of the elected officials.
For sure everyone in that list should get mandatory 5 years for just being on the list. More if there's other instances.
For sure, lobbyists need to be gone period.
I don't honestly think you could rewrite the Constitution and have it be impartial in the slightest. Maybe if you pulled 100+ random Americans and put them in a room for a year with no outside contact. There's no politician that isn't bought already that should do it.
I like the energy but historically it usually gets way worse... the killing never seem to end, and if you get a death/life sentence nobody would want to be a politician. That's a known problem.
What about putting the power in the hands of everyday people? Like representative democracy?
3 while your heart is in the right place would cause so much harm to innocent people that frankly you might as well just fucking start beating people with a bat at random. You would do less harm.
5m is NOT a lot of money depending on how you cut it. Hell my family has roughly 6.3 million because of the house we all live in and have lived in for 100 years. Because it was built by my great grandfather and maintained and expanded by every generation.
Most of my family is currently loving pay check to pay check. And the rest only barely better then that. Taking away private property just based on a random amount of money owned is unreason, fucked up, and WILL get people killed due to how hard that can and will destabilize entire families.
4 is flat out retarded. Every country on fucking earth has a international division of their government. Your actively a dipshit that understands nothing if you think that's remotely a reasonable let alone even a good idea.
Better oversight? Sure, disband? Actually a bleach drinking take.
Arrest and convict everyone involved with the Epstein administration. Cede the power that was grabbed by the executive branch under that administration and create laws preventing it from happening again. Push for impeachments of three supreme court justices that have abused the shadow docket.
Restore all goverment bodies that were defunded and fed to the shredder.
Completely disband ICE, put forward some policy that benefits the country, like expanding medicare coverage and funding, maybe with some of that isreal weapons money...
Arrest every single notable trump cabinet member and media dicksuck. Then investigate everything trump touched and prosecute it all. Investigate all the tech companies. I would need to see multiple CEO level people being put in a jail cell to even begin to regain some trust. They need to regulate their fucking monopolies and enforce some anti trust and clean up their broadcast regulation. It cannot be the case that these people can go online and spread the most insane lies over and over without punishment.
Clarify their position on the world stage and if Trumps actions were contrary to that then they need to diplomatically bridge that gap. Rejoin the climate accords, rejoin nato and apologize to the world.
Then I would be open to eventually re trusting them.
It's not so much your constitution, but the fact it's not enforced. Or your Supreme Court makes up shit that's not in it, like immunity for the president. The executive needs a complete redesign. In parliamentary democracies the executive is held by a group rather than an an individual, and can be overthrown at any point in time if parliament decides it. You should look into something like that.
Within America would be pretty easy, you just have to listen to your constituent demands and acknowledge them publicly with proper respect. Like how Mamdani was literally the only candidate who wasn't shilling for Israel and actually explained his policy which people wanted.
Internationally, lol it was already down the gutter post WWII. Kind of hard to realive foreign leaders you already assasinated.
It's going to have to be a decades long process. Which is probably why it won't happen, because we'll need a consistent restraint and level headedness over multiple presidencies. Which won't happen, best case scenario is a Democrat wins the next two and then the replaced by Republican who is just going to be Trump part 2. It will never recover.
Head down to the Winchester, have a pint and let it all blow over.
In all seriousness, this is irreparable damage that will take more than a few terms to put right, that's even if you have an administration that is willing to make amends. The entirety of this administration needs purging. Every single one, from the supreme court, to the FBI, CIA...anyone with any links or support for the current leeches in power.
When France and Germany did not follow the US under G. W. Bush into Iraq in 2003, the language used did not differ significantly from the language about not following the US into the Straight of Hormuz.
Obama had SOOO MUCH to make up for and wasn't able to rehabilitate the image of the US... and then everything got EVEN WORSE!
You've been like this AT LEAST since Regan. Trump is not the cause, he is a SYMPTOM of a sickness that has festered for AT LEAST 45 years, not only in your politics but in american society.
I imagine it'll take about the same amount of time to change the american people back into a nation that can be respected instead of feared and loathed.
Trump is nothing, he's unimportant in the grand scheme of things. The real enemy is the mindset of a majority (republican or democrat) of americans.
Something every single person on Earth, especially Americans, needs to learn and make peace with this simple fact:
The American empire has fallen
Pax-Americana is permanently over
The literal best case scenario for the USA now is a postwar Germany situation. No longer a superpower, but a steady somewhat socialist state that mostly keeps to itself.
The one X factor that may give America an edge to recovery is the same X factor that enabled its success to begin with:
America is large and America is relatively geographically isolated from all other major powers
It won't happen in my lifetime because your guardrails failed at all levels, including voters. A vile president is supported by hypocrite judges, confirmed by a spineless legislature, voted in by amoral voters. 20 years ago Republicans were the "family values" party. There were issues with that, but it was a given they wouldn't threaten allies, meme themselves as Christ, celebrate war crimes, promote gambling, be pedophiles, be brazenly corrupt, etc. Then they, and their voters, shed their morals like snakes molting. Even if somehow they started acting like right and wrong were real concepts again, I won't trust them to not shed that again when it's convenient.
put current administartion in jail to a man, abolish both parties, start extensive campaign rooting out the corruption and influence of the rich from your country. 2/3 of those at least.
I've been thinking about it. It's not good enough to say "Sorry, last guy was a dipshit." Especially since the majority of people in the US think he is a dipshit right now.
I think we would need to remove said dipshit from power, and prosecute him to the fullest extent of the law. Then remove anyone who knew he was a dipshit and had responsibility to say/do something about it, and prosecute them to the fullest extent of the law where appropriate. Then find anyone that supported the dipshit in exchange for favors from the dipshit, and prosecute them to the fullest extent of the law.
After all that, then we need to get laws in place that prevent this kind of dipshittery from happening again. Specifically, we need heavy penalties for election campaign finance and ethics violations. Ranked choice voting seems like a pretty good way to prevent us from having to a choose between the two least likeable assholes in the country to lead us. Big money needs to be out of politics, remove Citizens United, remove the ability of corporations to make campaign contributions, and maybe even make campaign finances be paid out of a government fund where each a candidate gets an equal amount.
Once we've removed the dipshits, and prevented the possibility of a dipshit getting elected again, the last ingredient for this redemption recipe is time. People aren't just going to forget what has happened. We need to demonstrate consistent stability and sanity in both our foreign and domestic politics for at least a decade or two.
I don't think all of this will happen TBH. A more realistic redemption is a complete restructure of the United States, and probably a separation into a few different countries, varying in sanity from a solarpunk future state to the religious-zealot-lead redneckistan.
For Europe we will probably go back to normal trade relationship after a few terms without a MAGA.
European defense will prioritise domestic spending, which was probably the intention because we can then sell you bombs if you end up in a conflict with China.
European IT spending will also favour domestic stuff instead of American companies for a very long time, but without any upside like the arms industry.
It just won't happen. Our institutions are weak and very subject to outside influence. Everyone in the world can see it.
If our corrupt oligarchs allow an election, the next president will still have to deal with their financial power, the private electronic surveillance state they control, their overwheming control of our very corrupt court system, etc.
If the dems were interested in fixing the problem it would take focused effort over multiple terms. The dems are not interested in fixing the problem. This is just who we are as a nation-state.
The next President would need to pass a massive bill dedicated to anti- corruption laws with real criminal consequences. This includes the entire house. No more shareholders. No more felons in politics.
Then two term limits for the Congress and Senate.
Then a bill that limits executive orders, and elimination of presidential pardons.
This would change the entire way the US government has worked in 250 years.
Start by IMPRISONING those that let this happen. Every single complicit PoS politician who willingly went along with the Pedo Party in order to make money. Disgusting vile filth deserve to be on prison for the rest of their lives.
All of them jailed and all of their ill-gotten gains taken from them.
This is a downfall, you guys haven't even reached the lowest point yet. You already talk about getting back up. This is what's great about America. But the real answer is: Trump isn't alone and was openly racist, misogynistic, dumb and indecent about it all. It's the fact that he was able to even start considering a career in politics that needs to be addressed.
Showering the world with gifts and promises isn't going to change anything. If we're all just waiting for the next fucker to arrive. You have to do something far more substantial like giving up veto rights, or something stupid like that. Which would be completely idiotically desperate lost-the-war type of concessions in peace time.
The fact of the matter is that this isn't going to happen and all the world can hope for is that things calm down and the internal temsions in the country come to a conclusion the world can support.
if you look at simpsons, trump was the last person that ruined the country in that What if episode, and lisa has a hard time fixing it. what turmp has done cant be fixed by the next president, biden barely did it, but he was not unscathed. Only someone with potential another "obama, sanders" can hope for something else. DNC is currently trying to push Newsom into the role, and you all know who he supports already. Kelly maybe considering, but i havnt seen him actually saying it offiicially,.
schumer, slotkin, fetterman and like a dozen other SENATORS are all Aipac money recipients. hakeem and like the same amount are also supporting israel. also the way a GOP ruins the economy to set up for the blame of the next dem and they get be re-elected next presidency over, plus there are DNC members that are totally complicit via(purposely losing elections).
and the refusal to release details on'24 election tampering investigation. if they had continued thier attack on zohran in the media, they likely wouldve lost seats in both houses, they lay off the attack in the hopes people will forget that transgression existed. people need remember this, likewise with the Luigi's capture in 2024 which resulted in the same thing.
Probably not a lot. I remember 2009 well enough that if the events of that year are any indication, the next US president will just get a Nobel Peace Price for the achievement of not being Donald Trump.
Lol, yep. It's hilarious reading the replies here, as if every government outside of US is some ultra liberal paradise that cares a ton about what the US fascists been doing. Lula was championed for not being Bolsonaro, Magyar is championed for not being Orban. As long as the next owner of russia is not putin, stops the war and returns to the status quo of mostly terrorizing their own people - everyone will restore relations with them as if everything is perfect. It would take much less effort for the likes of US.
At least Bolsonaro didn't break the Internet with an "online safety" law that includes age verification. So much for authoritarianism being a trait of conservatism...
Round up Trump, his cabinet, and advisors and then ship them to Iran so they can face justice.
Make a heart felt apology to the world and cut the military budget in half with plans to wind down military spending completely thus eliminating US standing army.
Massively increase the amount of representatives in Congress, eliminate the Senate, triple the size of SCOTUS, remove dark money from politics, remove all insider trading by passing strict laws against it, remove the revolving door public/private regulatory capture nightmare, bring in ranked voting for all federal elections, force all politicians to only campaign on policy, hold all authority to stricter and much higher standards, ratify the equal rights amendment, create sound privacy laws, breakup all mega corps, and increase taxation beyond total worth of 10 million to 99.999999%.
Reverse all the damage and throw every pedophile in jail and sieze their assets, throw every grifter oligarch in jail and sieze their assets, every Israeli backed politician in jail for treason and sieze their assets, abolish the electoral college, install universal healthcare, install free college, abolish private equity and execute the entire trump administration for treason and crimes against humanity. This is the bare minimum
US has always acted like a villain. CIA overthrowing governments, NSA spying on EU companies/politicians with US admitting they did for "US interests" (maximizing US companies' profits by cheating the rest of us); arming terrorist groups and just causing chaos around the world or if self-interest while we have to pretend we're OK with it or they will cut of trade. They are the only western country that uses torture as official policy, doesn't think food and shelter are you human rights etc etc.
And people mostly don't care or forget very quickly. Next time elect someone who can speak full sentences and is not so blatantly corrupt, show some goodwill, and people will forget within months.
Good or evil in this case doesnt really matter. The key was consistency. America had been a world stabilizer for almost 100 years(even if the world stabilization was achived by destabilizing other nations). The world relied on that concept for global trade and the markets that brought with it.
That illusion is now shattered. The world knows its always a 4 year election cycle away from complete chaos. The trust to be earned back will take as long as it takes for humanity to forget. And it would also require us to be stable for that ammount of time. This means a minimum of the lifetimes of the people currently alive and possibly never.
But i am betting it never recovers to the same degree. America isnt the same power today as it was when it gained its place in the world. And China / europe are more powerful now than they were in the 50's. We are no longer a world leader in education, manufacturing etc. Its possible we could speed up the recovery with some political changes to the system, but i dont have much hope for it. It would require the people in power doing things agaisnt their own interests.
Act normal for 20-30 years. Other countries are not going to revert their investments and turn on their new allies immediately after Americans elect someone normal. It took a long time (way too long) for them to realize US is not their ally anymore and it will take a lot of time to convince them otherwise now.
Have two mandate periods (8 years) of normal relations under the Democrat. Then peacefully switched presidency to another president, but this time Republican, who also maintains normal relations for two mandates. So I guess 16 years of normal relations under both Democrats and Republicans? I know, too much to ask because that will never happen. Hasn't been the case for many decades.
This whole situation has moved countries away from dependency. There is no reason to ever go back to how things used to be, regardless of the level of trust.
As an outsider i feel the only viable way for america to unfuck itself is to throw the current constitution into the sea and start over from scratch, presumably resulting in multiple new countries that maybe form something like the EU (or as another person said, outright join the EU).
It's the same situation as the USSR ended in, the concept of "the USA" is falling apart at the seams and if you try to mend it back together you'll just get a heap of mismatched fabric.
The Constitution is great, it has been inspiration for every Democracy that has followed. The problem is that it relies on people following it in good faith, and we have cultivated a certain segment of our population who don't believe in good faith, because they are intrinsically bad people.
We don't have to do something about the Constitution, we have to something about the bad people who want to exploit it, as well as the weak cowards who allow it. They're just as bad.
Honestly, don’t even mention the last president publicly. Act like he never existed. Investigate him surely. Reverse any and all of his policies. But just don’t acknowledge him at all.
I didn’t say do nothing. I’m just saying don’t give that asshole the attention. Treat him publicly as though he never fucking existed. That’s how you treat a narcissist. Deplatform him.
But, it won't return our trust towards USA. That will take decades, no matter what. Dethroning Trump is a good beginning. Or beginning of a beginning. But actual permanent changes would need to take place, amd I don't really see them 8n the horizon.
Prosecute everyone and make amends to all the people the orange shithead fucked with and countries he broke agreements with. Even that's no guarantee because he's demonstrated how quickly everything goes to shit if a soulless prick gets elected.
Practically, there's little they can do to win back the USA's soft power at this point -- bridges take seconds to burn, generations to build.
A starting point would be to hold the various people from the previous administration accountable for what's gone on. That's practically impossible, as we've seen them unable to hold people like Trump accountable for a literal attempted insurrection/coup the last time he was defeated at the polls. Putting people like Hegseth in front of the Hague, to answer for his war crimes in regards to killing civilians near venezuela, for example, would be a step in regaining trust from the international community (basically "We committed international crimes, and we'll allow the international community to determine the punishment"). The USA would never do that, and has never done that historically. The democrats would never sign off on it, no matter how nazi-like the republicans may get -- and the American people, even now, view themselves as exceptional/special to the point that they feel no 'real' accountability for the shit their government is doing.
Trade relations/integrations are screwed, as every western partner of the USA now knows/sees very clearly that the USA is just "one election cycle away" from using those very integrations to attack and destabilize their "allies". The USA spent decades/generations building up that trust, it'll take decades/generations of similar effort to try and rebuild it. I don't imagine it'll happen in my life time.
Electing Trump once may've been an outlier, but Americans re-elected him even as he was being transparent in his intentions to become a dictator and to dramatically re-orient America's international position - the current administration people published project 2025, and numerous other "pro fascism" essays/books prior to the 2025 election. Vance, their VP, literally lauds people like Posobiecs work, wherein he calls for democrats to be hunted/targeted/killed. The Americans voted in favour of fucking over western allies, voted in favour of alienating the EU, Canada, Mexico, etc. They voted in favour of a guy wanting to be buddies with Putin, Kim Jong, and any other ruthless dictator he met / exchanged love letters with. They voted for a literal convicted criminal, who any person with an IQ above room temperature would realise would conduct themselves like a criminal in office -- no one is shocked that he openly takes bribes and there's overt corruption going on, because America quite explicitly voted for those things. Why would the world forgive and forget that?
To quote/paraphrase the previous person thought to be the bottom of the barrel of American leaders: "Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice.... uh... well you can't get fooled again, right?". Part of that sentiment, is that if you do it the second time, knowing how things went the last time around, you're basically accepting the result of being made a fool -- you're not getting 'fooled', but instead you are accepting your role as a fool by trusting the same untrustworthy group again, you're complicit in your poor treatment. Other countries cannot trust the states again, because we've all been shown the states is untrustworthy, and that they're intent on harming our people/countries. We cannot go back to 'trusting' the states, unless we want to do harm to our own citizens/interests.
Besides, there's still a few more years of insults and bullshit to come from the USA. We haven't even hit the bottom for this massive betrayal of western allies. It's a bit early to be pretending like they have a hope of digging themselves out of this pit, while they're still actively digging deeper.
I'd be fine with them just being a democracy. The states stuff is bullshit because if the guy younlikes overrules your state happy days but if the guy you dont then its treason and trampling states rights.
If they actually had a proportionally repestative single tranferable vote system you would see all this fringe shit fall away.
The only realistic way of the US getting back the trust of major countries is for those countries to go through the same shit and sync to the same level as the US has.
Only if there was another person like trump that was correctly jailed. Putting trump in prison is easy now, but the USA would need to become reliable at stopping fascists
Make changes to limit their own power and actually have the spine to resist both the far right and the far left. Anything seen as partisan will backfire on them - no question about it. Arresting and prosecuting the entirety of MAGA politicians, as suggested by many in this thread, is about the worst thing they could do. It would just lead to more of the same, but worse.
Can't be done by the next us president.
This is gonna be decades.
I doubt we’ll ever recover from this.
Depends. I'm sure Cascadia and ColonialUSA will make and keep friends, but the central states far less so.
It all depends how they re-organize after the country is split in 4.
Yeah, goodwill is like love, trust and a very expensive porcelain Ming vase.
Once broken, you can't go back.
Unless, things get so fucked that it results in multiple landslide elections for the opposing party. If they had a supermajority in every branch, they could practically rewrite it all from scratch.
That's still not enough. Even if you rewrite the rules, you need to show that the opposing side also supports the same rules.
Hence the end of rules-based order.
That was my bad, I got it in my head that we were talking about fixing the fuck ups. You're right, trust will take time, but I think everyone will be willing to at least give us a chance once the orange one is gone.
No they won't. He was in once and then gone. But he came back and so much worse. He has demonstrated that not only is there enough appetite among the voting populace for his brand of hate and violence, but that our institutions are woefully incapable of protecting their own country let alone the fucking world. Prior to that I'm sure most of the world would have thought straight up kidnapping a "democratically" elected world leader and a full on unprovoked war (in all but name) would be impossible. But here we are. Anything short of an actual uprising or revolution won't be sufficient on their own. I'd bet good money we don't have a chance at seeing a return to the position and soft power we held for at least half a century.
The Orange one has demonstrated how useless the system is at dealing with him. It doesn't matter what the next guy says, everyone has seen that the guy after that can just blatantly ignore the rules again, tear up and ignore agreements, and nothing will stop him.
That's the real problem. The promises and signed agreements of America mean nothing now. I don't know how you fix that without some serious structural changes and some way of proving those changes will be actually enforced.
There is no opposing party in the US
Yeah the next president would have to come from a new party is literally the first thing on my long list of what would need to be done
American Democrats can't even save the USA, way less rebuild the goodwill with the rest of the world, IMO.
It’ll take decades to make up for completely but what can the next president do to regain some trust?
The US needs to look inward and figure out how to reconstruct itself, or it needs to balkanize and let the theocratic feudal states and the oligarchic surveillance states destroy themselves and their populations in their own ways.
The existing political system is shot top to bottom, complete regulatory capture, corrupted judiciary, masked secret police black bagging and executing people on the street, wasted idiots in charge of state, defense, and health...
USA needs to stop worrying about how to impress the girl at the club and think about how to stop hurting themselves and others before they even think about relationships again.
Just in the last year the US has systematically threatened and insulted every country in the world, and most world leaders individually (except NK, RU, IR, of course). And the US is still making things worse for the entire planet, proudly and defiantly. And the next president will continue this way of behaving because ALL US PRESIDENTS do now.
Asking this question is like a bully asking the kid to forgive him while continuing to punch him.
It's kind of insulting to the other people.
What? I’m literally asking what the next leader should do to start improving the situation, not asking anyone’s forgiveness. If you can’t name one actual concrete thing, just admit it.
I wrote a paragraph about regulatory capture, the corrupt judiciary, bellicose and self-destructive foreign policy...
That’s a list of problems. I guess I just have to keep bringing you back to “what should the next president do?” You know, about them.
But if I ask you that are you going to compare me to a bully harming someone? That’s my WTF here.
Your belief that one man, "the president" (or any one person) can do something that big is in itself part of the problem. Your democracy is flawed so you need to fix that first instead of thinking you need some superman that will just "do something".
It's like bulldozing a house and then ask what the bulldozer can do to "fix things".
I’m actually with you - I don’t believe any one president can just wave a magic wand and do away with regulatory capture forever. I’m not sure what I said specifically that made you think I put that all on the president.
However it would be equally fallacious to say he can do nothing. It is still a very relevant question, which no one seems to want to answer: what CAN the next president DO to restore trust? Not necessarily restore it ALL but begin to heal the situation? No colorful metaphors. Actual actions that are within the power of the office. This is a real question.
Well, for anyone curious about history, the answer is "very little" because it does no longer depend on the president, but on the whole country. Or so I see it.
And it becomes fairyland quickly because so many things that would have to happen are not going to happen without the whole country stepping up and behind a new power.
That's why the American president in this manner is quite worthless. But to answer your question, the thing s/he could do would be just that, unify the country behind a morally good idea. Anything else just won't change what we think about the usa for the better.
So, unify the country behind a new democratic system. Then give it a decade or two!
The fact you guys are still treating Trump as a "one off" is wild.
To the rest of the world that's the image of Americans, for decades now.
That is something Americans don't really understand. Trump has pushed the envelope but he isn't as much of an outlier as many Americans would like to believe. His incompetence and arrogance make it easy to see how awful he is but his agenda is the regular American agenda with some more guardrails removed. They don't seem to notice that their Senate, Congress and Supreme Court have mainly supported him with exceedingly little pushback.
The biggest difference between Trump and his predecessors is that Trump is not pretending.
Regan, Bush, Clinton, the other Bush, Obama, Biden, they all bomb whoever they want, kill whoever they want, support Israel's genocidal policy, interfere in another country elections, ... all those bad things that Trump are not hiding.
For the rest of the world it's business as usual but this time not behind closed doors.
To trust Americans was and it is impossible.
I think the difference was that before other countries would see themselves as allies and thus as part of the West. NATO is just one of many alliances that went beyond just pretending.
Now Trump threatened all of this. Take over Canada? Get back the Panama Canal? "Rescue" Greenland? Get out of NATO? Suddenly it becomes clear that it was a mistake to trust the US so much and that the same rules should count for them as anyone else.
i'm no expert in global politics so take this with a grain of salt but i would not say trusting US was a "mistake". there are tons(*) of trustworthy Americans out there. and every alliance always comes with some amount of risk but it's just how we humans work.
(* - yes I mean tons, plural, I'm pretty sure it's at least few tons :D)
Yeah the real issue is that the country voted that in. You need to fix that first otherwise it's probably gonna keep happening.
Yeah, he's just the worst version of asshole that started with Nixon.
A complete overhaul of the electoral process that allowed fascists to gain complete control.
A complete overhaul of the society that became so sick that they willingly put the fascists there. Twice.
A complete overhaul of the elittest pedophile bi/trillionaire class that has unfettered control over every branch of state and federal government and meddles in foreign affairs across the globe.
In short: The USA would need to be torn down and rebuilt.
The silver(ish) lining is that he is actively reducing how much power that position actually has in the world. Our soft power has been demolished.
Gaining trust starts with accountability. People who have abused their position of power need appropriate punishment and be made to pay for the damage they have done.
We have taken a "let's just move on" strategy too often in the past. The American people aren't going to buy it this time.
As far as trust for America the country is concerned, holding guilty parties accountable will help that too, but mostly what it will take is time.
So... no, trust will never be gained back. /S
I'm not expecting that it will. American politicians don't have a great record in that area.
US citizen living abroad. Not going to happen in one presidential term and the US has probably permanently fucked itself in terms of special currency/status/soft power ever getting back to the level it was.
No, the age of America is over.
The Trump preaidencies aren't a radical break from the past, he's just an unveiling of it's darkest, ugliest, impulses and the logical conclusion of its ideals.
Maybe European mainstream leaders can convince themselves to get back into bed with US imperialism, as we benefit from it so much, but US in the eyes of the people never recovered post Iraq II, and across the whole world the US is now primarily seen as the demagogic bully that it is.
The US must learn to get along with its neighbours and treat other nations and people with respect.
Even if a completely sane, smart, and wonderful president were elected, and every country loved them, why would they trust us? We are always one crazy election away from... well, this.
New Nuremberg trials for all in, and allies propping up, the former regime
Transparent audit of everything trump broke and real-time checklist of process to restore critical needs, prioritizing human lives.
A lasting and appropriate punishment for trump himself
Recovering the funds to do all of the above from trump and complicit billionaires in the private sector - starting with musk for his own crimes against humanity.
A job corp to employ all of the AI layoffs, similar to the New Deal's Civilian Conservation Corps. Needs a healthy vetting to avoid left over trump chuds
Expand the Supreme Court
End Citizens United
All trump appointees, in all positions, are removed from offices immediately. If not convicted in new Nuremberg trials, they can still reapply for positions and be consists as any other
The demolished east wing will be rebuilt as a simple building and used as a museum to the attrocities that trump committed and the people and institutions that enabled him. An artist will be commissioned to design a pitch black facade, perhaps in the shape of the old building. It should look out of place and awkward, and stand forever as a sort of black eye on America. To show how the nation was injured and not cover it up. There will be legislation to perpetually fund the museum and make admission free to all.
The future will require a simple understanding - there was not an equivalency here, no two valid sides. The was objective wrong and right. No more pretending
Trump-appointed Supreme Court judges can be removed by a single person. They need to be at the right place at the right time and have a good kit and aim. While this could physically undo the appointments, it would decrease the trust in the country's safety, as all assasinations do.
Considering we have concentration camps and death squad paramilitary police forces that have on record conducted what are effectively summary executions… decreasing trust in the country’s safety would simply be a course correction of public perception.
They're not assasinating elites, are they? That's why Luigi was a bigger deal than all killings by ICE combined.
There are legislative bodies that exist precisely for changing such laws. Make an exceptional law that is valid for only this one time use and then hire new judges, some of which are allowed to be among the ones fired.
Do you mean within the US or trust internationally?
The rest of the world has begrudgingly let the US dominate world commerce, culture, and morality. Now they're realizing how much of their own identity they've given away, and are struggling to recover from it. Critically, even if the US ever gets their shit together again, nobody else wants to go back to the same relationship they had. We've been forced out of an abusive relationship, and now we're free.
And here I am, stuck living in the one country in the world that's only getting closer to the US: Israel. I pray that by the end of the next decade or three, when the dust settles, we'll be closer to Europe instead, as we've been in the past. But that seems practically impossible.
Sigh maybe I'll move to Europe. I'd probably fit in better culturally.
Ouch. Good luck man!
Simple: refrain from doing any stupid shit for half a century. Any stupid shit will kick the timer backwards 70% of the elapsed time.
(There really is no other way)
This. Trust is a function of time and commitment. Especially time. Easy to lose hard to gain
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Germany was forgiven much faster than 50 years.
Yeah, that's true. Although, not by much. I remember that in 1990's there was still plenty of distrust towards them, as they were seen as nazis. Nobody wanted Germany to become strong. The 1990's began 45 years after WWII had ended, and while the trust had been almost recovered, it was still not intact. I'm not sure if it's even now: Germany is the biggest reason we didn't support Ukraine militarily as much as needed back in spring 2022. They wanted cheap gas and were ready to accept horrors in the name of political realism. It's hard at least for me to not see a connection between that cynicism and what the same cynicism led to in 1920's and 1930's.
I lived in Germany from '83 to '94, and while there were certainly individuals who didn't trust them (my grandfather's cousin in Denmark certainly didn't), they had long since earned the trust of other countries' governments by that point.
Well, shall we split up the USA for 50 years for starters?
If there were an actual way to give all rural areas to Russia, sure, let them see how wonderful the totalitarian government they so desperately want would be to live under.
😁
To fix it quickly you are going to have to abuse your power immediately like Republicans have. But you are also going to need at minimum a majority in the house and Senate, preferably a supermajority which I doubt that happens.
Prosecute traitors immediately.
Immediately expand the supreme court
Help install safeguards so this never happens again. Like for presidential nominess for secretary of defense or education. Only select people who work in that field and with knowledge of the job can nominate people for consideration and the president can only hire those nominated
the problem is the abuse of power. you won't gain back trust by abusing power. this thinking is the reason it won't happen
Actually I don't care I want revenge
then you are part of the problem, congratulations
Yep wanting to hold these fucks accountable and using extreme measures to make sure this never happens again is a problem. Lmao you sound like a conservative simp
Ceaușescu’s end is instructive here. Trump won’t concede defeat like Orbàn.
It's like it is not even trump the problem in the long run, but 50%+ of senators etc who just let an insane person burn down the whole country lol. Greek drama for sure.
Start by rolling back every shit executive order Trump made.
Make it safe for us Canadian to go on vacation in the USA again.
Prosecute Trump's entire cabinet.
Sorry for the wall of text, but I've been thinking a lot about what we would have to do to redeem America in the eyes of its citizens, the world, and history. In order to do that, MAGA must be fully crushed, and purged from our government and society. Nothing less is acceptable.
First of all, MAGA must be dealt with as the ongoing National Security Threat that it genuinely is. They are responsible for a violent Insurrection, and the theft of hundreds of classified documents, as well as breath-taking corruption, that they don't even bother to hide. They are a treasonous organization that must be treated like the Nazis or the KKK, and essentially prohibited from existing. Their leaders should be arrested and imprisoned for their crimes.
In addition, the election fraud from the 2024 election must be exposed, and the Trump administration declared invalid. That will roll back ALL EOs, legislation, appointments, SCOTUS decisions, etc. It will be like the second Trump administration didn't exist.
And that includes his Pardons, which are all criminal cover ups. ALL Trump pardons are invalid, and those criminals have to return to serve out their sentences. Anyone who doesn't voluntarily surrender, will be charged with escape, and get another decade attached to their sentence with no time off for good behavior or parole. Every pardon will be investigated, and anyone found to have paid a bribe of any kind, will get additional charges, as well as anyone who facilitated the payments, such as family members, accountants, lawyers, politicians, etc.
Anyone involved in the January 6 insurrection will be declared prohibited from holding public office, per the 14th Amendment, Section 3. Anyone who amplified the Big Lie that the 2020 election was stolen, the primary motivation of the Insurrection, is complicit, and is prohibited from public office. If you EVER said that Trump won the 2020 election, and/or the Democrats stole it, then you were an active participant in the Insurrection, and you can't hold office. If you are in a debate, and you are asked who won the 2020 election, and you say Trump, you are instantly disqualified. If you were instrumental in planning or organizing the Insurrection, then it's life in prison.
That includes every single person who spoke at the rally just before the Insurrection. Remember that video of them all in the backstage tent before the rally? Every single one of those people should serve life prison sentences. They were laughing and partying, as they honestly thought they were launching a violent attack that would result in the deaths of numerous politicians, including the VP, and the end of our democratic government, so they could install Trump as dictator for life. The very top leaders should be publicly executed.
With all those MAGAs instantly out of office due to 14A, and MAGAs not allowed to ever hold office, it will take a while for whatever new conservative party organizes (the Republicans were just the larval stage of MAGA, so they're dead, too), and starts to run candidates that qualify under 14A/S3, and anti-MAGA laws. That gives the Dems the opportunity to pass all sorts of legislation to get America on a decent moral path into the future. Part of it will be laws that codify certain rights that conservatives have tried to suppress, like reproductive rights, immigrant rights, workers rights, etc.
And we have to pass strong anti-corruption laws, and that starts by changing the way we treat wealth in this country. Sociopathic Oligarchs have untreated OCD Hoarding syndrome, which manifests as financial hoarding, and it is become bad enough that it is having serious detrimemtal impacts on the majority of the citizens of the WORLD. We can't do anything about it in other countries, but we can certainly change things on America.
If someone was hoarding cats, or rusty old appliances, etc, to the point that it was affecting the lifestyles and property values of their neighbors, the authorities would step in and end it. We need to do that with financial hoarders. We need to confiscate their hoards, and redistribute it. Just like all those cats need to find nice families, we can find better uses for that Sociopathic Oligarch money.
The wealthy think we serve them, and we have to make them understand that they keep their wealth at the pleasure of the people, and the minute that wealth is not serving the people, it will be entirely confiscated, and the Sociopathic Oligarch will be imprisoned. Further, their family will be prevented from accessing public assistance, scholarships, etc. They will be officially destitute.
Sociopathic Oligarchs who have already egregiously violated the public trust (Trump, of course, Musk, Theil, Ellison, Bezos, Zuckerfuck, etc.) will have their entire hoards fully confiscated immediately, and their fortunes used to rebuild America, and provide the seed funding for social programs like free healthcare, daycare, college/trade school, UBI, etc.
Wealth will be HEAVILY taxed, not work. Workers under a certain income will pay no income tax, that will be covered by the wealthy and corporations. Anyone found to hiding wealth in offshore/ foreign banks, will have their entire hoard confiscated, and they will be imprisoned.
We will no longer fund ANYTHING for capitalists. They can pay for what they want. No more stadiums, no more tax breaks, nothing but heavy taxes on your profits, AND your personal revenue. We pay for services for the people FIRST, and whatever is leftover can be allocated to the military and such, but not one penny will ever go to billionaires or they corporations.
It is also imperative that we pass strong Campaign Finance Reform, which is the single issue from which ALL other issues flow. We must prohibit money in campaigns, and tightly regulate them regarding length, and campaign language. The kind of lies and rhetoric we heard from Trump will result in immediate disqualification from the campaign.
And to prevent this all from happening again 50 years in the future, the educational curriculum will be created and administered by the Federal government. 2+2=4, CAT spells cat in every state, we don't need 50 different curriculums. That just allows Red states to teach treasonous, racist propaganda. The new curriculum will have a strong emphasis on Critical Thinking Skills, including how to recognize and reject propaganda. It will also teach proper history, including Slavery and the Native American Genocide, with an emphasis on acknowledging those atrocities so that they can't happen again.
All of this can be done without running afoul of our laws or the Constitution, it just takes the political courage and will to do it. The American people want it, we just have to force our political representatives to do what they are told, and to do that, we have to make them fear us. If you have Dem in the House or Senate who is a cowardly weenie, vote them out in the primary, in favor of an angry reformer. Let's send a bunch of pissed off Democrats to DC to kick ass in BOTH parties.
This is the most thought out take I've seen and it makes me angry it won't happen
Thanks for the compliment, but respectfully, YOU are the problem. They are politicians and are inherently lazy and greedy. If you give them permission to do nothing, that is exactly what they'll do, and they'll go back to their insider trading and grifting.
We are in unprecedented times, and require unprecedented solutions. We absolutely cannot accept the same strategy of "We've tried nothing, and we're all out of ideas."
There is no reason we have to keep doing the same failed strategies of the past. Instead of telling them that we'll accept nothing, send the message that if we take the country back from MAGA with our votes AGAIN, they better not squander it a second time, or they will suffer the same punishments as MAGA, which will be a LOT worse if we have to go through it a third round.
This is their last shot, and they better do what they are elected to do, or else.
I know it's more the general "you", but still damn. I'm doing the best I can from a deep red state and area (Missouri district 2). I do tons of various volunteer work alongside working with a local socialist group assisting in education and organizing protests. Dems are trying to get something here, but they have an incredibly hard battle if they want to beat Ann Wagner, let alone the duo of Josh "Jogs" Hawley and Eric Schmitt. Last time we had a Dem representing us was for 2 years back in the early 90s and the current one has held her job for 13 years.
Yeah, I mean YOU to mean all the people who hear what we need to do, and just immediately surrender with a resigned sigh that it will never happen. And it won't, unless we MAKE it happen.
I get your situation, I live in Central Florida, the last Democratic stronghold in the state, which is under direct attack by MAGAs. Over the next few years, they are planning to build an entirely NEW city from scratch, between Orlando and the East Coast, that will be as large as Orlando, which will greatly reduce the Democratic
How do you start a conservative city from scratch? You allow the Mormon Church to buy thousand of acres of land, including protected conservation land, and then let them build a city dedicated to their church, so they can have a West Coast capital, and an East Coast Capital.
Central Florida is about to be invaded by some of the most gullible religious weirdos on the planet.
It's surprising how many states are actually fairly evenly split, but the Right has convinced people that their vote is powerless, so they don't bother. If all those Democrats came out to vote, a few Red states would have some surprise flips. This would be a great election to do that, since the MAGAs are so depressed, many will be voting Dem, and many won't vote at all. The Dems could really crush them, and I'd love to see the MAGAs cry when they get bloodbathed even worse than they expected..
Only speaking for myself, the following are necessary, but not sufficient:
I have suggestions if they want to get serious on Day 2, as well.
Next? This is gonna be a generational problem. Once trust is broken you can't buy it back.
Exactly. There was a chance to win back trust after the orange idiots first term, but now that the US has shown it is willing to make the same stupid mistake again, no matter what the next president does, there's always the possibility of another idiot ruining everything after that. only chance is for the American people to stop being 50:50 split and take a clear stance against fascists.
I know it'll never happen, but I'd like to add 7. All presidents will be forced to live at the poverty level after their term is over for the rest of their life. No rich friends, no stocks or businesses.
We'd get UBI real quick after that.
All politicians and supreme court judges, not just presidents ideally.
I was going to say that, but I felt it was at least slightly plausible that we might make one guy a sacrificial lamb, rather than most of the elected officials.
For sure everyone in that list should get mandatory 5 years for just being on the list. More if there's other instances.
For sure, lobbyists need to be gone period.
I don't honestly think you could rewrite the Constitution and have it be impartial in the slightest. Maybe if you pulled 100+ random Americans and put them in a room for a year with no outside contact. There's no politician that isn't bought already that should do it.
Oh, a revolution!
I like the energy but historically it usually gets way worse... the killing never seem to end, and if you get a death/life sentence nobody would want to be a politician. That's a known problem.
What about putting the power in the hands of everyday people? Like representative democracy?
3 while your heart is in the right place would cause so much harm to innocent people that frankly you might as well just fucking start beating people with a bat at random. You would do less harm.
5m is NOT a lot of money depending on how you cut it. Hell my family has roughly 6.3 million because of the house we all live in and have lived in for 100 years. Because it was built by my great grandfather and maintained and expanded by every generation.
Most of my family is currently loving pay check to pay check. And the rest only barely better then that. Taking away private property just based on a random amount of money owned is unreason, fucked up, and WILL get people killed due to how hard that can and will destabilize entire families.
4 is flat out retarded. Every country on fucking earth has a international division of their government. Your actively a dipshit that understands nothing if you think that's remotely a reasonable let alone even a good idea.
Better oversight? Sure, disband? Actually a bleach drinking take.
Arrest and convict everyone involved with the Epstein administration. Cede the power that was grabbed by the executive branch under that administration and create laws preventing it from happening again. Push for impeachments of three supreme court justices that have abused the shadow docket.
Restore all goverment bodies that were defunded and fed to the shredder. Completely disband ICE, put forward some policy that benefits the country, like expanding medicare coverage and funding, maybe with some of that isreal weapons money...
Arrest every single notable trump cabinet member and media dicksuck. Then investigate everything trump touched and prosecute it all. Investigate all the tech companies. I would need to see multiple CEO level people being put in a jail cell to even begin to regain some trust. They need to regulate their fucking monopolies and enforce some anti trust and clean up their broadcast regulation. It cannot be the case that these people can go online and spread the most insane lies over and over without punishment.
Clarify their position on the world stage and if Trumps actions were contrary to that then they need to diplomatically bridge that gap. Rejoin the climate accords, rejoin nato and apologize to the world.
Then I would be open to eventually re trusting them.
first they need to break up ellisons monopolys on media companies.
Fix the American government, education system, and legal system.
Thanklessly.
It won’t be fixed in one term, probably not two, maybe see it start to work a decade after they leave office.
It’s going to take years to earn back trust, but no matter what happens, America will never have the power it used to have.
A complete rewrite of the constitution. The 'American Experiment' is a failure. Start again.
Unrealistic, I know, but Trump has revealed the massive fundamental flaws in your system that was born from racism and genocide.
It's not so much your constitution, but the fact it's not enforced. Or your Supreme Court makes up shit that's not in it, like immunity for the president. The executive needs a complete redesign. In parliamentary democracies the executive is held by a group rather than an an individual, and can be overthrown at any point in time if parliament decides it. You should look into something like that.
If only they had some sort of vote of no confidence mechanism...
On a sidenote, I always thought it was funny that Americans were "proud" they had like the "oldest" constitution.
Man, it's not old, it's moldy 😂!
Within America would be pretty easy, you just have to listen to your constituent demands and acknowledge them publicly with proper respect. Like how Mamdani was literally the only candidate who wasn't shilling for Israel and actually explained his policy which people wanted.
Internationally, lol it was already down the gutter post WWII. Kind of hard to realive foreign leaders you already assasinated.
It's going to have to be a decades long process. Which is probably why it won't happen, because we'll need a consistent restraint and level headedness over multiple presidencies. Which won't happen, best case scenario is a Democrat wins the next two and then the replaced by Republican who is just going to be Trump part 2. It will never recover.
Head down to the Winchester, have a pint and let it all blow over.
In all seriousness, this is irreparable damage that will take more than a few terms to put right, that's even if you have an administration that is willing to make amends. The entirety of this administration needs purging. Every single one, from the supreme court, to the FBI, CIA...anyone with any links or support for the current leeches in power.
When France and Germany did not follow the US under G. W. Bush into Iraq in 2003, the language used did not differ significantly from the language about not following the US into the Straight of Hormuz.
Obama had SOOO MUCH to make up for and wasn't able to rehabilitate the image of the US... and then everything got EVEN WORSE!
You've been like this AT LEAST since Regan. Trump is not the cause, he is a SYMPTOM of a sickness that has festered for AT LEAST 45 years, not only in your politics but in american society.
I imagine it'll take about the same amount of time to change the american people back into a nation that can be respected instead of feared and loathed.
Trump is nothing, he's unimportant in the grand scheme of things. The real enemy is the mindset of a majority (republican or democrat) of americans.
The USA isn't the way it is because Trump is the president, Trump is president because of the way the USA is...
That sickness has festered ever since Lincoln's assassination derailed Reconstruction, and allowed Confederate humiliation to simmer for 150 years
Severe and thorough retribution.
Republicans MUST pay.
Remember maga chanting lock her up with Hilary? Time to return the favor.
Except let's not be bitches about it like they were. Let's actually do it.
No, they’ve lost it. Europe will turn to themselves and everyone else will turn to China. America’s never getting this back.
Bet a bunch will rally around Europe.
At this point, its impossible.
Something every single person on Earth, especially Americans, needs to learn and make peace with this simple fact:
The American empire has fallen
Pax-Americana is permanently over
The literal best case scenario for the USA now is a postwar Germany situation. No longer a superpower, but a steady somewhat socialist state that mostly keeps to itself.
The one X factor that may give America an edge to recovery is the same X factor that enabled its success to begin with:
America is large and America is relatively geographically isolated from all other major powers
It won't happen in my lifetime because your guardrails failed at all levels, including voters. A vile president is supported by hypocrite judges, confirmed by a spineless legislature, voted in by amoral voters. 20 years ago Republicans were the "family values" party. There were issues with that, but it was a given they wouldn't threaten allies, meme themselves as Christ, celebrate war crimes, promote gambling, be pedophiles, be brazenly corrupt, etc. Then they, and their voters, shed their morals like snakes molting. Even if somehow they started acting like right and wrong were real concepts again, I won't trust them to not shed that again when it's convenient.
As a unitedstatesian: I genuinely do not believe the trust we’ve squandered with parts of the world that (previously) didn’t mind us / considered us allies is going to be recovered in my lifetime. Our idiocy has put far too many things in motion that are going to have irrevocable consequences for the very long term. For instance: just today, the US is apparently considering suspending Spain for disrupting operation Epstein Fury, despite the fact that there is absolutely no mechanism within the NATO charter to unilaterally do that to Spain.
Yeah, the USA had the momentum after WW2, and they just lost it.
So, basically one NATO member is saying that it will not honour its commitments if Spain ever gets attacked?
And maybe this means that all official documents will have to be delivered to the Spanish by some other NATO member state?
A suspension that suspenses nothing. Hooray.
put current administartion in jail to a man, abolish both parties, start extensive campaign rooting out the corruption and influence of the rich from your country. 2/3 of those at least.
... would be a good start.
Those are things Congress or the states would need to do—the president can’t (and shouldn’t) make Constitutional amendments.
Not disagreeing but how would you make a modern constitution without pissing off alot of people who see it as a historical artifact for all time?
The constitution is a living document designed to be amended.
You don't. The US can't be fixed until the people want it to be fixed. And right now they don't.
That’s a corner Americans painted themselves into.
That would be a good start. Continue with fixing your country, and be nice to those outside your borders. Even the US cannot survive on its own.
Restore the rule of law, and make sure traitors like Trump end up behind bars. No mercy for those who had no mercy with others.
I've been thinking about it. It's not good enough to say "Sorry, last guy was a dipshit." Especially since the majority of people in the US think he is a dipshit right now.
I think we would need to remove said dipshit from power, and prosecute him to the fullest extent of the law. Then remove anyone who knew he was a dipshit and had responsibility to say/do something about it, and prosecute them to the fullest extent of the law where appropriate. Then find anyone that supported the dipshit in exchange for favors from the dipshit, and prosecute them to the fullest extent of the law.
After all that, then we need to get laws in place that prevent this kind of dipshittery from happening again. Specifically, we need heavy penalties for election campaign finance and ethics violations. Ranked choice voting seems like a pretty good way to prevent us from having to a choose between the two least likeable assholes in the country to lead us. Big money needs to be out of politics, remove Citizens United, remove the ability of corporations to make campaign contributions, and maybe even make campaign finances be paid out of a government fund where each a candidate gets an equal amount.
Once we've removed the dipshits, and prevented the possibility of a dipshit getting elected again, the last ingredient for this redemption recipe is time. People aren't just going to forget what has happened. We need to demonstrate consistent stability and sanity in both our foreign and domestic politics for at least a decade or two.
I don't think all of this will happen TBH. A more realistic redemption is a complete restructure of the United States, and probably a separation into a few different countries, varying in sanity from a solarpunk future state to the religious-zealot-lead redneckistan.
Yeah the behavior of the Democratic party makes it clear that they will take down the empire before permitting any reform.
Somehow they are always one vote short!
And they're also all in their fucking 80s.
I don't think the Democrats can't be reformed until the Republicans party is eliminated, or ranked choice voting is enacted nation-wide.
We can't take risks on more progressive candidates when a loss results in a literal child-raping Nazi getting elected instead.
This isn't a "no, you're wrong" rebuke, but a "yes, but first..." agreement.
It's always a good time to re read Letter From a Birmingham Jail.
Trust by who? Europe? China? US citizens?
For Europe we will probably go back to normal trade relationship after a few terms without a MAGA.
European defense will prioritise domestic spending, which was probably the intention because we can then sell you bombs if you end up in a conflict with China.
European IT spending will also favour domestic stuff instead of American companies for a very long time, but without any upside like the arms industry.
It just won't happen. Our institutions are weak and very subject to outside influence. Everyone in the world can see it.
If our corrupt oligarchs allow an election, the next president will still have to deal with their financial power, the private electronic surveillance state they control, their overwheming control of our very corrupt court system, etc.
If the dems were interested in fixing the problem it would take focused effort over multiple terms. The dems are not interested in fixing the problem. This is just who we are as a nation-state.
By throwing the last one under the bus. Literally.
The next President would need to pass a massive bill dedicated to anti- corruption laws with real criminal consequences. This includes the entire house. No more shareholders. No more felons in politics.
Then two term limits for the Congress and Senate.
Then a bill that limits executive orders, and elimination of presidential pardons.
This would change the entire way the US government has worked in 250 years.
You and I butt heads often, but we're in complete agreement on this.
Start by IMPRISONING those that let this happen. Every single complicit PoS politician who willingly went along with the Pedo Party in order to make money. Disgusting vile filth deserve to be on prison for the rest of their lives.
All of them jailed and all of their ill-gotten gains taken from them.
This is a downfall, you guys haven't even reached the lowest point yet. You already talk about getting back up. This is what's great about America. But the real answer is: Trump isn't alone and was openly racist, misogynistic, dumb and indecent about it all. It's the fact that he was able to even start considering a career in politics that needs to be addressed.
Showering the world with gifts and promises isn't going to change anything. If we're all just waiting for the next fucker to arrive. You have to do something far more substantial like giving up veto rights, or something stupid like that. Which would be completely idiotically desperate lost-the-war type of concessions in peace time.
The fact of the matter is that this isn't going to happen and all the world can hope for is that things calm down and the internal temsions in the country come to a conclusion the world can support.
Very well put.
if you look at simpsons, trump was the last person that ruined the country in that What if episode, and lisa has a hard time fixing it. what turmp has done cant be fixed by the next president, biden barely did it, but he was not unscathed. Only someone with potential another "obama, sanders" can hope for something else. DNC is currently trying to push Newsom into the role, and you all know who he supports already. Kelly maybe considering, but i havnt seen him actually saying it offiicially,.
schumer, slotkin, fetterman and like a dozen other SENATORS are all Aipac money recipients. hakeem and like the same amount are also supporting israel. also the way a GOP ruins the economy to set up for the blame of the next dem and they get be re-elected next presidency over, plus there are DNC members that are totally complicit via(purposely losing elections).
and the refusal to release details on'24 election tampering investigation. if they had continued thier attack on zohran in the media, they likely wouldve lost seats in both houses, they lay off the attack in the hopes people will forget that transgression existed. people need remember this, likewise with the Luigi's capture in 2024 which resulted in the same thing.
Probably not a lot. I remember 2009 well enough that if the events of that year are any indication, the next US president will just get a Nobel Peace Price for the achievement of not being Donald Trump.
Lol, yep. It's hilarious reading the replies here, as if every government outside of US is some ultra liberal paradise that cares a ton about what the US fascists been doing. Lula was championed for not being Bolsonaro, Magyar is championed for not being Orban. As long as the next owner of russia is not putin, stops the war and returns to the status quo of mostly terrorizing their own people - everyone will restore relations with them as if everything is perfect. It would take much less effort for the likes of US.
At least Bolsonaro didn't break the Internet with an "online safety" law that includes age verification. So much for authoritarianism being a trait of conservatism...
To gain back Americans' trust? Almost nothing.
To gain back other countries' trust? Quite a lot.
To actually be a good president and make the country a reasonably decent place to live? Not realistic for one presidency.
Round up Trump, his cabinet, and advisors and then ship them to Iran so they can face justice.
Make a heart felt apology to the world and cut the military budget in half with plans to wind down military spending completely thus eliminating US standing army.
Massively increase the amount of representatives in Congress, eliminate the Senate, triple the size of SCOTUS, remove dark money from politics, remove all insider trading by passing strict laws against it, remove the revolving door public/private regulatory capture nightmare, bring in ranked voting for all federal elections, force all politicians to only campaign on policy, hold all authority to stricter and much higher standards, ratify the equal rights amendment, create sound privacy laws, breakup all mega corps, and increase taxation beyond total worth of 10 million to 99.999999%.
Calling it now, it's more likely the fed will be broken up and progressive states will join the EU.
Not saying it will happen. Just that it's more likely than the US suddenly and comprehensively doing the right thing.
Yes, I don't think the US is changing in any sort of positive way anytime soon.
Joining the EU is an interested idea.
Reverse all the damage and throw every pedophile in jail and sieze their assets, throw every grifter oligarch in jail and sieze their assets, every Israeli backed politician in jail for treason and sieze their assets, abolish the electoral college, install universal healthcare, install free college, abolish private equity and execute the entire trump administration for treason and crimes against humanity. This is the bare minimum
The US isn't going to get that trust back that it had before.
Trust amongst your allies is absolutely fucked. Itll take years for you to get it back
US has always acted like a villain. CIA overthrowing governments, NSA spying on EU companies/politicians with US admitting they did for "US interests" (maximizing US companies' profits by cheating the rest of us); arming terrorist groups and just causing chaos around the world or if self-interest while we have to pretend we're OK with it or they will cut of trade. They are the only western country that uses torture as official policy, doesn't think food and shelter are you human rights etc etc.
And people mostly don't care or forget very quickly. Next time elect someone who can speak full sentences and is not so blatantly corrupt, show some goodwill, and people will forget within months.
Good or evil in this case doesnt really matter. The key was consistency. America had been a world stabilizer for almost 100 years(even if the world stabilization was achived by destabilizing other nations). The world relied on that concept for global trade and the markets that brought with it.
That illusion is now shattered. The world knows its always a 4 year election cycle away from complete chaos. The trust to be earned back will take as long as it takes for humanity to forget. And it would also require us to be stable for that ammount of time. This means a minimum of the lifetimes of the people currently alive and possibly never.
But i am betting it never recovers to the same degree. America isnt the same power today as it was when it gained its place in the world. And China / europe are more powerful now than they were in the 50's. We are no longer a world leader in education, manufacturing etc. Its possible we could speed up the recovery with some political changes to the system, but i dont have much hope for it. It would require the people in power doing things agaisnt their own interests.
Act normal for 20-30 years. Other countries are not going to revert their investments and turn on their new allies immediately after Americans elect someone normal. It took a long time (way too long) for them to realize US is not their ally anymore and it will take a lot of time to convince them otherwise now.
It all boils down to two basic principles.
Radical honesty and accountability.
That's the only way anyone builds trust.
The US never has accountability
Have two mandate periods (8 years) of normal relations under the Democrat. Then peacefully switched presidency to another president, but this time Republican, who also maintains normal relations for two mandates. So I guess 16 years of normal relations under both Democrats and Republicans? I know, too much to ask because that will never happen. Hasn't been the case for many decades.
That'd be my step 1, personally
Step 2 is proving it
Isn't that what the current one does constantly???
See step 2 is really where the meat lies
This whole situation has moved countries away from dependency. There is no reason to ever go back to how things used to be, regardless of the level of trust.
As an outsider i feel the only viable way for america to unfuck itself is to throw the current constitution into the sea and start over from scratch, presumably resulting in multiple new countries that maybe form something like the EU (or as another person said, outright join the EU).
It's the same situation as the USSR ended in, the concept of "the USA" is falling apart at the seams and if you try to mend it back together you'll just get a heap of mismatched fabric.
The Constitution is great, it has been inspiration for every Democracy that has followed. The problem is that it relies on people following it in good faith, and we have cultivated a certain segment of our population who don't believe in good faith, because they are intrinsically bad people.
We don't have to do something about the Constitution, we have to something about the bad people who want to exploit it, as well as the weak cowards who allow it. They're just as bad.
That's the catch, though. You cannot change people. Gotta work with what you got.
Just start treating people with kindness and respect and show that your word is your bond. That's it. The rest takes time, like any healing does.
...and that time is about two generations. People reproduce at around age 25, so two generations are about 50 years.
I hope other countries will heed the warning.
Honestly, don’t even mention the last president publicly. Act like he never existed. Investigate him surely. Reverse any and all of his policies. But just don’t acknowledge him at all.
That would decrease my trust. It would look like they are doing nothing to learn from their FAFO.
I didn’t say do nothing. I’m just saying don’t give that asshole the attention. Treat him publicly as though he never fucking existed. That’s how you treat a narcissist. Deplatform him.
Yeah, that's absolutely correct, I agree!
But, it won't return our trust towards USA. That will take decades, no matter what. Dethroning Trump is a good beginning. Or beginning of a beginning. But actual permanent changes would need to take place, amd I don't really see them 8n the horizon.
Just execute the oligarchy. It would help a LOT
How familiar are you with the year 1793?
IMHO it depends a lot on:
Maybe wait a few decades. Maybe Trump really has fucked It forever
Prosecute everyone and make amends to all the people the orange shithead fucked with and countries he broke agreements with. Even that's no guarantee because he's demonstrated how quickly everything goes to shit if a soulless prick gets elected.
Practically, there's little they can do to win back the USA's soft power at this point -- bridges take seconds to burn, generations to build.
A starting point would be to hold the various people from the previous administration accountable for what's gone on. That's practically impossible, as we've seen them unable to hold people like Trump accountable for a literal attempted insurrection/coup the last time he was defeated at the polls. Putting people like Hegseth in front of the Hague, to answer for his war crimes in regards to killing civilians near venezuela, for example, would be a step in regaining trust from the international community (basically "We committed international crimes, and we'll allow the international community to determine the punishment"). The USA would never do that, and has never done that historically. The democrats would never sign off on it, no matter how nazi-like the republicans may get -- and the American people, even now, view themselves as exceptional/special to the point that they feel no 'real' accountability for the shit their government is doing.
Trade relations/integrations are screwed, as every western partner of the USA now knows/sees very clearly that the USA is just "one election cycle away" from using those very integrations to attack and destabilize their "allies". The USA spent decades/generations building up that trust, it'll take decades/generations of similar effort to try and rebuild it. I don't imagine it'll happen in my life time.
Electing Trump once may've been an outlier, but Americans re-elected him even as he was being transparent in his intentions to become a dictator and to dramatically re-orient America's international position - the current administration people published project 2025, and numerous other "pro fascism" essays/books prior to the 2025 election. Vance, their VP, literally lauds people like Posobiecs work, wherein he calls for democrats to be hunted/targeted/killed. The Americans voted in favour of fucking over western allies, voted in favour of alienating the EU, Canada, Mexico, etc. They voted in favour of a guy wanting to be buddies with Putin, Kim Jong, and any other ruthless dictator he met / exchanged love letters with. They voted for a literal convicted criminal, who any person with an IQ above room temperature would realise would conduct themselves like a criminal in office -- no one is shocked that he openly takes bribes and there's overt corruption going on, because America quite explicitly voted for those things. Why would the world forgive and forget that?
To quote/paraphrase the previous person thought to be the bottom of the barrel of American leaders: "Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice.... uh... well you can't get fooled again, right?". Part of that sentiment, is that if you do it the second time, knowing how things went the last time around, you're basically accepting the result of being made a fool -- you're not getting 'fooled', but instead you are accepting your role as a fool by trusting the same untrustworthy group again, you're complicit in your poor treatment. Other countries cannot trust the states again, because we've all been shown the states is untrustworthy, and that they're intent on harming our people/countries. We cannot go back to 'trusting' the states, unless we want to do harm to our own citizens/interests.
Besides, there's still a few more years of insults and bullshit to come from the USA. We haven't even hit the bottom for this massive betrayal of western allies. It's a bit early to be pretending like they have a hope of digging themselves out of this pit, while they're still actively digging deeper.
Seize the means of production.
We had trust?
The next president will be JD Vance, and he will regain a lot of trust by implementing the 25th amendment.
He won't do that until the end of January 2027 so he can be president for 10 years.
dont think jd vance by himself will be electable, they want TRUMP, or a trump clone.
He won't be elected. The 25th Amendment allows for him to initiate a coup and finish Trump's term.
Dissolve the US and create some EU like entity.
I'd be fine with them just being a democracy. The states stuff is bullshit because if the guy younlikes overrules your state happy days but if the guy you dont then its treason and trampling states rights.
If they actually had a proportionally repestative single tranferable vote system you would see all this fringe shit fall away.
Have the US join the EU as non-voting member.
Prosecuting Trump and his cronies would be a start
The only realistic way of the US getting back the trust of major countries is for those countries to go through the same shit and sync to the same level as the US has.
Only if there was another person like trump that was correctly jailed. Putting trump in prison is easy now, but the USA would need to become reliable at stopping fascists
As a non american I can say the televised event is unecessary.
Make changes to limit their own power and actually have the spine to resist both the far right and the far left. Anything seen as partisan will backfire on them - no question about it. Arresting and prosecuting the entirety of MAGA politicians, as suggested by many in this thread, is about the worst thing they could do. It would just lead to more of the same, but worse.
It can't be done, nor was it ever done.
Why? The Catholic Church chooses whom becomes president of the District of the Roman goddess, Columbia.
Is that why there's only ever been two Catholic presidents?
They want Catholics, but that usually isn't possible unless they want it for a specific reason.
Otherwise, it's all Jesuits and/or Freemasons (the latter owned by the former) who are essentially the Superior General's yes men.