"Look guys! Here's Aladdin in a dark alley in the evening and then later he's in the open air in broad daylight and the fucking cartoonists colored his skin lighter!"
The original Aladdin story in One Thousand and One Nights is set in China (Aladdin is also Chinese), is based on a middle eastern folk tale, and was written and added to the book by a Frenchman. And then it's most recognizable incarnation (at least to a western audience) migrates the setting and characters to a fictional Arabic kingdom and gives him an American white guy voice. The character, Aladdin's, cultural identity as we know it is a little all over the place.
It is a theory to explain how genie knows about things like automobiles and 20th century movie stars. It posits that these are only anachronisms if the story is set in the past, as commonly assumed. But setting it in the far distant future eliminates the problem. It also explains the apparent "magic" in the world as remnants of a fallen high-tech civilization.
Rajah the tiger? Genetic engineered. Magic carpet? Hover tech. Buried stop signs (video game only)? Ancient relic. It's really quite surprising how well this theory fits.
I'm 100% on board with this. While the "Genie doesn't experience time the same way" theory is also plausible, why would the genie be trapped in the lamp for 10,000 years and have a problem with it at all if time means nothing to him? Also, if time means nothing to Genie, why can he 1) get duped by Aladdin, and 2) do the things that allow Jafaar to use him to do terrible things?
Also, the Merchant scene really sets a lot of this up as well. The combination hookah and coffee maker also makes French fries - potatoes didn't even make it to the Eastern hemisphere until the 1500s. The Dead Sea Tupperware, obviously, sets the date after the 1960s.
Also, there's other lamps around. The vendor talks about a lamp, while handling a clearly polished lamp, meaning that it's not the Genie lamp. In the market scene, there are lamps at a stand as Aladdin and Jasmine run off. If Genie was stuck in a brass lamp for 10,000 years, it would have been made around +/- 9,000 BCE, before brass was first created. In fact, before writing had been invented, and Genie can read and write. In English.
Finally, that the Cave of Wonders would contain much of the world's gold mined up until the Medieval period. Estimates the global mined supply, including mined in ancient China and the Americas and not likely to end up in a cave, would be an order of magnitude more than estimates of what Scrooge McDuck had in his Money Bin, and the cave seems to have more than Scrooge had. There was no shortage of gold in Agraba - especially since we see gold elsewhere in the movie. Clearly this is the bunker of a prepper who used an advanced AI system to guard it all, stockpiled billions in gold coins, and died before they could spend it all.
Additional theory element: Genie experienced 10,000 years in the lamp because Genie was on Earth the whole time. During the apocalyptic event, several ships left the earth and used advanced propulsion to explore nearby star systems for a new home. None of them looked good enough, and after traveling at close to c for what seemed like a few years, some of the ships started to return to Earth (Edit: the first Planet of the Apes movie from the 70's had this as its plot), including the seed ship the AGRABA. The city was founded by a seed ship trying to repopulate the Earth. They were gone for what seemed like a few years, but due to time dilation, the journey from Earth's perspective was closer to 9,800 years. So the advanced technology makes sense still as newer tech scavenged from the seed ship and forgotten about, like the AI tiger head guarding the cave.
And part of the reason the setting is almost never China in adaptations is that the original 1001 Nights version of the story is very much set in China in name only, with the setting being modeled after the Middle East anyway. I mean, there are two jinns, a sultan, and the sorcerer is from Morocco. And when characters are actually named, they have decidedly non-Chinese names like Mustapha.
Ok, I never thought I will type "Aladdin yaoi" in my search engine, but here we are. There are far more Aladdin x Hercules hentai than I expected, so I couldn't find where this exact screenshot is coming from.
I never played with that game, so I didn't notice it, but you are right! Gummi ship and Sora are there. It's fun that I learn about this game by researching a gay fanfic comic.
I hope you two sanitize your search histories AND your keyboards/screens/desks before your respective wives/girlfriends find this.
And wash your hands!
I love that their speech bubbes have different fonts! And none of them is PAPYRUS. High quality comic, with additional care about historicity! Now I'm interested in the full comic, I'm on it.
Afaik Tineye hasn't been updated in years. Both Google and Yandex find a bunch of images, including an image with a different background and darker-skinned Aladdin with his jacket still on, but striking the same pose.
A Palestinian friend once went on this mini rant about how Aladdin wasn't even Middle-Eastern. Al Addin (according to the friend) means "The Easterner." So Aladdin should have been Indian or Korean or something.
I mean, the origination of the story is a mess to begin with so of course it's going to misrepresent things, this comment kinda goes into the details a bit - https://lemmy.world/comment/23310329
Some of the comments here feel like the lefts version of complaining when a kids movie gets the wrong culture put into a lead role and the right complains...
Like when the right complained about the Little Mermaid.
Even though, if it were true, if he would only roam around in the castle and in the shade, he becomes paler. As a poor man living in the streets especially in such a warm region, you get pretty brown relatively fast. This accounts as true for people from this region especially, because they are basically white in skin tone. Their melatonin just rises (and that relatively quickly), because they are often in the sun. I know that, because I am turkish myself. I can be potato white but get pretty brown relatively fast when summer comes around and I am outside a lot.
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Even if it wasn't different media.
"Look guys! Here's Aladdin in a dark alley in the evening and then later he's in the open air in broad daylight and the fucking cartoonists colored his skin lighter!"
I know right
Oh, but you're forgetting that any attempt to apply basic reasoning or logic when someone is trying to paint something as racist makes you a racist...
This guy social medias
could make his blue shirt gold as well
Ahh, back when clickbait had to
scourgescour for fake things instead of just boiling 1000 gallons of water.The original Aladdin story in One Thousand and One Nights is set in China (Aladdin is also Chinese), is based on a middle eastern folk tale, and was written and added to the book by a Frenchman. And then it's most recognizable incarnation (at least to a western audience) migrates the setting and characters to a fictional Arabic kingdom and gives him an American white guy voice. The character, Aladdin's, cultural identity as we know it is a little all over the place.
Throw in the fan theory that Disney's version takes place thousands of years in the future.
Wait. What? Have not heard that one.
It is a theory to explain how genie knows about things like automobiles and 20th century movie stars. It posits that these are only anachronisms if the story is set in the past, as commonly assumed. But setting it in the far distant future eliminates the problem. It also explains the apparent "magic" in the world as remnants of a fallen high-tech civilization.
Rajah the tiger? Genetic engineered. Magic carpet? Hover tech. Buried stop signs (video game only)? Ancient relic. It's really quite surprising how well this theory fits.
I'm 100% on board with this. While the "Genie doesn't experience time the same way" theory is also plausible, why would the genie be trapped in the lamp for 10,000 years and have a problem with it at all if time means nothing to him? Also, if time means nothing to Genie, why can he 1) get duped by Aladdin, and 2) do the things that allow Jafaar to use him to do terrible things?
Also, the Merchant scene really sets a lot of this up as well. The combination hookah and coffee maker also makes French fries - potatoes didn't even make it to the Eastern hemisphere until the 1500s. The Dead Sea Tupperware, obviously, sets the date after the 1960s.
Also, there's other lamps around. The vendor talks about a lamp, while handling a clearly polished lamp, meaning that it's not the Genie lamp. In the market scene, there are lamps at a stand as Aladdin and Jasmine run off. If Genie was stuck in a brass lamp for 10,000 years, it would have been made around +/- 9,000 BCE, before brass was first created. In fact, before writing had been invented, and Genie can read and write. In English.
Finally, that the Cave of Wonders would contain much of the world's gold mined up until the Medieval period. Estimates the global mined supply, including mined in ancient China and the Americas and not likely to end up in a cave, would be an order of magnitude more than estimates of what Scrooge McDuck had in his Money Bin, and the cave seems to have more than Scrooge had. There was no shortage of gold in Agraba - especially since we see gold elsewhere in the movie. Clearly this is the bunker of a prepper who used an advanced AI system to guard it all, stockpiled billions in gold coins, and died before they could spend it all.
Additional theory element: Genie experienced 10,000 years in the lamp because Genie was on Earth the whole time. During the apocalyptic event, several ships left the earth and used advanced propulsion to explore nearby star systems for a new home. None of them looked good enough, and after traveling at close to c for what seemed like a few years, some of the ships started to return to Earth (Edit: the first Planet of the Apes movie from the 70's had this as its plot), including the seed ship the AGRABA. The city was founded by a seed ship trying to repopulate the Earth. They were gone for what seemed like a few years, but due to time dilation, the journey from Earth's perspective was closer to 9,800 years. So the advanced technology makes sense still as newer tech scavenged from the seed ship and forgotten about, like the AI tiger head guarding the cave.
I just found this article on it too:
https://www.looper.com/1495082/disney-aladdin-fan-theory-post-apocalyptic-tale-future/
Yeah.. what? Please explain, you have my full attention
An American white guy voice from the 90s
Aladdin is the most stereotypical, tv trope, radalicious, woahhhh, duuude voice
It's like one or two steps away from being a Ninja turtle.
And part of the reason the setting is almost never China in adaptations is that the original 1001 Nights version of the story is very much set in China in name only, with the setting being modeled after the Middle East anyway. I mean, there are two jinns, a sultan, and the sorcerer is from Morocco. And when characters are actually named, they have decidedly non-Chinese names like Mustapha.
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Ok, I never thought I will type "Aladdin yaoi" in my search engine, but here we are. There are far more Aladdin x Hercules hentai than I expected, so I couldn't find where this exact screenshot is coming from.
Found the original panel, can't find the whole comic.
NSFW obviously.
https://web.archive.org/web/20150607214351/http://www.imageweb.ws/media/images/3/aladdin-porn/aladdin-porn-311775.jpg
I found a version which has Goofy at the bottom and Donald is mentioned, so it's not only about these two guys but more Disney characters:
https://xxxpicss.com/xxx/hercules-gay-hercules-gay-porn-drawings-aladdin-hercules-gay-comic-porn-aladdin-hercules-gay.jpg
::: spoiler nsfw :::
The oldest upload I could find is from 2008 May: https://rule34.paheal.net/post/view/146150 This comic is old enough to buy beer in europe.
Ahh it's kingdom hearts yaoi even better
I never played with that game, so I didn't notice it, but you are right! Gummi ship and Sora are there. It's fun that I learn about this game by researching a gay fanfic comic.
From the phrasing and context, I was expecting something else when I clicked.
I hope you two sanitize your search histories AND your keyboards/screens/desks before your respective wives/girlfriends find this. And wash your hands!
Lol, do I sound like someone who speaks with irl people?
You mean like... speaking to someone in the same room? While they're looking at you? With their eyes?!
I love that their speech bubbes have different fonts! And none of them is PAPYRUS. High quality comic, with additional care about historicity! Now I'm interested in the full comic, I'm on it.
Wow, even with the image from the OP, I still didn’t expect Hercules to be darker than Aladdin.
Reverse image search?
Afaik Tineye hasn't been updated in years. Both Google and Yandex find a bunch of images, including an image with a different background and darker-skinned Aladdin with his jacket still on, but striking the same pose.
I feel like this kind of bullshit is a distraction from actual criticisms of the way the movie Aladdin depicts the Middle East.
"Where they cut off your ear
If they don’t like your face
It’s barbaric, but hey, it’s home."
For some reason they kept the "barbaric" part.
A Palestinian friend once went on this mini rant about how Aladdin wasn't even Middle-Eastern. Al Addin (according to the friend) means "The Easterner." So Aladdin should have been Indian or Korean or something.
TIL from comments here that Aladdin was originally set in China, so this is very plausible.
From my understanding Alladin is racist just in a really lazy way
I mean, the origination of the story is a mess to begin with so of course it's going to misrepresent things, this comment kinda goes into the details a bit - https://lemmy.world/comment/23310329
Gotta eat to live, gotta steal to eat, otherwise we get along 🎵
Ah yes, the two races: poor and white.
Oh so I'm mixed race.
You're a furry, doomed to be either suspiciously wealthy or flat broke
No inbetween
Wish my suspiciously wealthy phase would hurry up and get here.
God same lmao
i think the us president said that a few years ago
Source?
That's not a hair on my screen
Maybe it is a hair on your screen because I'm not seeing what you're seeing.
Yeah, I noticed that as well.
And yet it's literally a blowjob. Checkmate (/s)
"I did not have sexual relations with that demigod."
I recognize that bulge.
This reminded me of the crush I had as a kid on Jasmine and that rule34 is a thing... Fuck yeah!
Some of the comments here feel like the lefts version of complaining when a kids movie gets the wrong culture put into a lead role and the right complains... Like when the right complained about the Little Mermaid.
So by your logic, Ariel being played by a black actress is the same thing John Wayne playing an Asian person while squinting?
What? I think you may be confused as to what I wrote.
When you said 'the left' they assumed you were a right winger, stopped reading and started with the bad faith nasty arguments.
Triggered, I think is the term.
I am a socialist lol. People online are so defensive sometimes.
Some people just want to fight because social media conditions us to be outraged and angry.
lol how did the comment or know the porn movie and shot from it so quickly?
Quickly?
The post lists the date and time. Comment is relative time. That means greater than 24 hours
Anon is a cartoon expert
There were few more, non-subtle stuff too tbf.
Even though, if it were true, if he would only roam around in the castle and in the shade, he becomes paler. As a poor man living in the streets especially in such a warm region, you get pretty brown relatively fast. This accounts as true for people from this region especially, because they are basically white in skin tone. Their melatonin just rises (and that relatively quickly), because they are often in the sun. I know that, because I am turkish myself. I can be potato white but get pretty brown relatively fast when summer comes around and I am outside a lot.