Hold on, are the years listed for The Matrix and Dune right? Isn't Dune like thousands of years in the future? Like so far in the future humanity has forgotten where Earth even is.
Dune is like 10,000 years past the Butlerian Jihad which is supposed to be an existential war against AI and humans that leaves Earth unrecognizable. Even generously that's still not even close to this millenia
I've noticed a lot of carried over themes in 40k, with the cautionary tale of rogue AI making computers untrusted and stuff like that. What I didn't expect is how much the 1962 Lawrence of Arabia movie seemed to influence the first Dune book. That might be a stretch since the movie came out just a year before he started releasing Dune content, but a lot of that fit.
I mean... Lawrence of Arabia was a real person and his story was quite well known. Written into a biographical account in 1926.
It's not a far stretch to think Herbert was inspired by those stories as well as those of the desert rats and fighting forces in the Africa campaigns of WW2, Conrad's heart of darkness and well... Yeah everything in human history up to that point.
Yeah that would roughly align with the early days of the DAoT in 40k. But I'm pretty sure I'm Dune Earth is effectively destroyed and then turned into an international park, isn't it?
EDIT: that might be from the Dune Encyclopedia rather than Dune itself, idk.
The Humans in Zion think it's closer to 2199, but they don't know about the cycle of The One.
In his cave speech just before the rave, Morpheus says they've been fighting the Machines for 100 years. There are people in Zion old enough that that might be accurate for the cycle they're on.
The Architect says this will be the sixth time they destroy Zion. The Machines being machines are likely consistent in their timeline, which would mean that the cycle of The One takes about 100 years to resolve each time.
So the year is at least 2699, but likely later than that when you take into account the earlier, failed, versions of the Matrix before they figured out The One cycle.
In Matrix the uprisal of the robots happens around the year 2000. I remember a scene though where Morpheus explains to Neo something like "You think the year is 1999, but it's more likely we write the year 2199. We don't know it exactly to be honest".
V for Vendetta in 2038 is eerily similar to what's happening right now. The UK is slowly turning into a surveillance state with all of the biometric scans and digital ID that the government is trying to organize. Oh, and don't forget those facial recognition cameras that are popping up in public places throughout England and Wales.
Well the thing is, a lot of the stuff the current UK government are doing wasn't actually on the manifesto. Even the people who voted for them had no idea this would happen.
Tbf, that's been a thing for a long time now. Still feel much freer living here than the US.
But if we're giving it a generous timeline of accumulating effects, then yeah I'd say 2038 is probably accurate for when the other shoe finally drops lol
Democracy in the UK is already kind of dying. At this point the UK government is just doing whatever they want (such as laws which weren't on the manifesto) and completely ignoring the people when they petition against it.
Yeah, the first book is the year 10191 after the founding of the navigators guild. There isn't good (canon) information as to just how far away the founding is from now, but they already had FTL travel by then. The guild just made it safe; they were just raw dogging foldspace before then.
That's a really weird way to use graphs. The data being presented is really just a timeline, I don't quite understand the thought process that led to presenting this as a horizontal bar graph. There is no second dimension here, so you don't need a two-dimensional graph.
I remember everyone making memes about passing Back to the Future. It was so fun cuz it was the 2010s. I don't think anyone made jokes about passing Blade Runner's date, 2019 wasn't a good year to make jokes.
Joe / Not Sure was in the pod 500 years. So it's after most treks: Enterprise 2150s, Strange New Worlds 2250s, Disco 2250s + 3190s, TOS 2260s, TNG/DS9/Voy 2360s and 70s, Lower Decks / Prodogy 2380s, Academy 3195.
Wikipedia has Zardoz in 2293. I'd say it got mixed up with Star Trek for 2263, except there isn't quite anything set then yet, with TOS starting in 2266 and SNW only up to 2261 or 62 so far.
I think we're hovering around The Running Man, with a game show host running things and using blood sports to keep the masses distracted; but we are certainly working hard to get to Soylent Green. Once we finish destroying the environment, agriculture fails, and we have to turn cannibal to survive.
Why can't I be in the 5th element timeline? This one is whack. I mean, who even thought it up? Moron gets elected by morons and then proceeds to fuck up every possible thing imaginable. And the morons still cheer! Whack...
Book of the New Sun blowin them all out of the water, so far off the charts you'd need a movie theater screen to display it, at "i dunno, a bajillion?"
Hold on, are the years listed for The Matrix and Dune right? Isn't Dune like thousands of years in the future? Like so far in the future humanity has forgotten where Earth even is.
Yeah the Matrix isn't right unless there's some obscure comic that clarifies the "closer to 2199, no one knows for sure" line.
Dune is supposed to be like the year 10,000 or something?
They also left off Idiocracy's date, which was 2505 according to the newspaper.
Dune is like 10,000 years past the Butlerian Jihad which is supposed to be an existential war against AI and humans that leaves Earth unrecognizable. Even generously that's still not even close to this millenia
Sam Altman would beg to differ.
Trying to speed run that apocalypse so he can beat climate change
Not to mention the race against the bursting bubble and the health of the enabler in chief.
No. The Butlerian Jihad is somewhere around 10,000 AD, the first book is somewhere around 20k~25k AD.
Also, in my headcannon Dune and 40k are the same universe and the story of Paul Atreades is how the god emperor came to be.
I was only off by 10,000 years!
I've noticed a lot of carried over themes in 40k, with the cautionary tale of rogue AI making computers untrusted and stuff like that. What I didn't expect is how much the 1962 Lawrence of Arabia movie seemed to influence the first Dune book. That might be a stretch since the movie came out just a year before he started releasing Dune content, but a lot of that fit.
I mean... Lawrence of Arabia was a real person and his story was quite well known. Written into a biographical account in 1926.
It's not a far stretch to think Herbert was inspired by those stories as well as those of the desert rats and fighting forces in the Africa campaigns of WW2, Conrad's heart of darkness and well... Yeah everything in human history up to that point.
Yeah that would roughly align with the early days of the DAoT in 40k. But I'm pretty sure I'm Dune Earth is effectively destroyed and then turned into an international park, isn't it?
EDIT: that might be from the Dune Encyclopedia rather than Dune itself, idk.
The Humans in Zion think it's closer to 2199, but they don't know about the cycle of The One.
In his cave speech just before the rave, Morpheus says they've been fighting the Machines for 100 years. There are people in Zion old enough that that might be accurate for the cycle they're on.
The Architect says this will be the sixth time they destroy Zion. The Machines being machines are likely consistent in their timeline, which would mean that the cycle of The One takes about 100 years to resolve each time.
So the year is at least 2699, but likely later than that when you take into account the earlier, failed, versions of the Matrix before they figured out The One cycle.
In Matrix the uprisal of the robots happens around the year 2000. I remember a scene though where Morpheus explains to Neo something like "You think the year is 1999, but it's more likely we write the year 2199. We don't know it exactly to be honest".
So this could actually be true
Oh so is that where the 2505 for Dune came from?
A most trustworthy source.
Sorry, actually to the newspaper in the movie. And I guess it was actually a magazine.
Amazing how it got everything else so close, but kept archaic news mediums that aren't even relevant today.
Newspaper written by who in the movie cuz I presumed idddiotsss! :D see ‘twas jokes :)
(simplified, was giving in-universe joke response)
Dune is minimum 20k AD. When people say "Dune takes place in the year 10,000", that's 10k years after an event that took place at least after 10k AD.
Yes but Paul knows who Hitler is for some reason
Future fiction loves bringing up contemporary (to the reader) figures and events. Star trek is obsessed with it.
Which makes sense since its just social commentary in space
idk we know egyptian pharaohs it's not that hard to imagine that he will be remembered, especially among politicians and history buffs
There's some weird appearances of contemporary art too. Pretty sure Vincent van Gogh works appear in chapterhouse.
This graph sucks. 2084 is listed twice but at different lengths.
2084 is a leap year dummy.
There's also no Mad Max.
What kind of apocalyptic list doesn't include any Mad Max?
One of the 2084s is also believed to be 2142 though it's not mentioned in the movie. But 2142 is the best guess anyone has for AI.
why is this a bar graph lmao
So you can see how many years long a bar is.
Ok, but why a bar graph??
I think the UK is on track for 2038 V for Vendetta.
We can only but hope! But not keen on how soon after we'll open a portal to hell. . Liberate me. .
Hey we've got children of men before thatand I reckon there's a not terrible shout of some of the things coming true there.
If we end up with the birth rate issues of Children of Men in the US, we'll end up with Handmaid's Tale instead of cool one shot battle scenes
Woooooooo 🎭
V for Vendetta in 2038 is eerily similar to what's happening right now. The UK is slowly turning into a surveillance state with all of the biometric scans and digital ID that the government is trying to organize. Oh, and don't forget those facial recognition cameras that are popping up in public places throughout England and Wales.
https://bigbrotherwatch.org.uk/campaigns/stop-facial-recognition
Did they choose 2038 because of the Unix date issue?
It would be a very weird coincidence, but I think the 2038 regime is mostly an internet-born conspiracy theory.
Also they predicted conservatives would be the ones implementing this oppressive government while shouting about God and immigrants pretty well.
Well the thing is, a lot of the stuff the current UK government are doing wasn't actually on the manifesto. Even the people who voted for them had no idea this would happen.
Yeah I’m going to start to try and figure outta which camera these are and just stealing and destroying them.
Tbf, that's been a thing for a long time now. Still feel much freer living here than the US.
But if we're giving it a generous timeline of accumulating effects, then yeah I'd say 2038 is probably accurate for when the other shoe finally drops lol
Democracy in the UK is already kind of dying. At this point the UK government is just doing whatever they want (such as laws which weren't on the manifesto) and completely ignoring the people when they petition against it.
Dune starts in the 10,000s.
10,000 after the founding of the guild. There's at least another 10,000 before that.
Oh wow, I had forgotten that. Time for a re-read.
Yeah you're WAAAAAAAAY off with Dune.
Add a zero and it's about right.
Yeah, the first book is the year 10191 after the founding of the navigators guild. There isn't good (canon) information as to just how far away the founding is from now, but they already had FTL travel by then. The guild just made it safe; they were just raw dogging foldspace before then.
I feel it’s more like this:
Ah, the US of A version
That's a really weird way to use graphs. The data being presented is really just a timeline, I don't quite understand the thought process that led to presenting this as a horizontal bar graph. There is no second dimension here, so you don't need a two-dimensional graph.
Dune is far more distant
(At this point Taco Bell will be fine dining by Demolition Man times)
I remember everyone making memes about passing Back to the Future. It was so fun cuz it was the 2010s. I don't think anyone made jokes about passing Blade Runner's date, 2019 wasn't a good year to make jokes.
Imagine if they all took place in the same universe. What an insane timeline that would be
Where's Futurama?
Well, at least I can stop buying condoms soon!
Stop putting them over your head! You're not howie mandell! That's why your brain hurts. It needs oxygen.
So we're ahead of schedule at Idiocracy
Less than six years until I finally learn how to use the three seashells!
This graph is missing Johnny Mnemonic at 2021
This is also missint Orwells Nineteen Eighty-Four. I forget what year that was though
I bet it was somewhere in 2010s
That's not even close to right for Dune. What garbage.
17776 has started
Where's my damn free nanite-made granola bars then??
metropolis takes place in 2026
Laughs in Warhammer 40k
Y'all acting like I'll let that happen.
I don't think Idiocracy would take place after Star Trek. Before, maybe.
Joe / Not Sure was in the pod 500 years. So it's after most treks: Enterprise 2150s, Strange New Worlds 2250s, Disco 2250s + 3190s, TOS 2260s, TNG/DS9/Voy 2360s and 70s, Lower Decks / Prodogy 2380s, Academy 3195.
I'm just saying the society that creates Starfleet wouldn't go down that path.
Wikipedia has Zardoz in 2293. I'd say it got mixed up with Star Trek for 2263, except there isn't quite anything set then yet, with TOS starting in 2266 and SNW only up to 2261 or 62 so far.
Oh boy we're almost to 12 Monkeyyyysss!!
When is Star Trek?
Yeah, but why is Star Trek?
Fuck it, let's just combine children of men and soylent green.
Soylent... Men?
Children of Green ?
in ad 2101, war was beginning
https://xkcd.com/887/
Only one more year until male pregnancy (Children of Men).
We had male pregnancy 32 years ago (Junior)
I think we're hovering around The Running Man, with a game show host running things and using blood sports to keep the masses distracted; but we are certainly working hard to get to Soylent Green. Once we finish destroying the environment, agriculture fails, and we have to turn cannibal to survive.
Come onnn, 12 Monkeys 🤞
Why can't I be in the 5th element timeline? This one is whack. I mean, who even thought it up? Moron gets elected by morons and then proceeds to fuck up every possible thing imaginable. And the morons still cheer! Whack...
No I'm on the earth?
I need to learn how to use the three seashells!
Oh no...I'll be alive for event horizon
Book of the New Sun blowin them all out of the water, so far off the charts you'd need a movie theater screen to display it, at "i dunno, a bajillion?"
Should add the Busted song where we live underwater
6 years until demolition man? I’ll take that
Affordability is a hoax. We're gonna make food great again! Soylent Green!
Idiocracy was like 2400 or 2500.
How is this a mildly interestin post rather than a shitpost? (I don't mean that in a bad way, I'm genuinely curious)