JUST IN: House Democrats File Bill to Form 25th Amendment Commission to Assess Trump’s Mental Fitness
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Trump is a poor white trash person's idea of a rich person.
Judging by how much the billionaires back him, I don't think that's true. The idea that billionaires are anything other than scammers and abusers like Trump is pretty obviously false. He just doesn't mask it.
He's a useful idiot. Back in the 90s when he was doing fast food commercials, he lost massive amounts of money. The appearance of bring a billionaire helped him become a billionaire again. The dude's a grifter and a puppet.
When Trump opens his mouth, you can SEE Putin's hand.
Why reach for Putin when American capital is right there?
Liberals, especially middle-class liberals who had a little economic privilege, will not question the system that privileged them.
So they reach for other explanations that vibe with the things they already believe. Evil foreigners, bad people doing capitalism wrong, maybe both conspiring together.
No he's right. Trump before becoming president likely wasn't a billionaire. Trump is gold leaf trash amongst his peers, he's the bullshitter his peers play golf with to make fun of. He's the stupid face for the real Billionaires with tens and hundreds of billions. A Tool of no pedigree, his grandpa dodged the draft and made it opening a whore house.
The billionaires don't see him as one of them.
Well he's getting the last laugh then because he's enriching himself by an obscene amount right now.
Not compared to Elon Musk, Bill Gates, MBS, Peter Thiel, Larry Ellison, Zuck, etc... Trump only now has Arnold (Bubba) Palmer Billions and it's not very liquid.
Billionaires back whoever they think can get them the most money. It really isn't any deeper than that.
Every billionaire that opens their mouth. How do you think they got all that money? Hard work and ethical business practices?
We aren't arguing with each other trying to say the same thing. You are trying to argue with me because you misread my comment twice.
Billionaires are soulless scammers. I said that pretty clearly in my original comment.
My comment was perfectly understandable and used a really common phrase. You're being a patronizing asshole despite the misunderstanding being entirely on you. I didn't make you comment.
Edit: and then you delete the entire comment chain to hide it. Is lemmy holding a clown convention today?
Are they just now catching onto and parroting memes from his first term? Lemmy needs a "the right can't meme" comm if there isn't one already.
Yeah, pretty big "2016 called and wants their Trump meme back" energy from this one.
Oh no he didn't just insult my favorite congressman!
It's not even true either. Jamie Raskin is highly intelligent, and professional, and he even kept serving while undergoing cancer treatment. He's a hero.
trump on the other hand, is trash.
Yes, I would think stupid people would think a constitutional lawyer is a smart person.
I’m not sure David Ingle is too bright, though.
I was about to complain yet again "that's not how it works", but then I looked up the text again and this is explicitly allowed. Congress can set up a commission that basically takes the place of the Cabinet for 25th Amendment purposes. So now all this talk of the 25th amendment makes a bit more sense to me.
They still need a 2/3 margin in both houses even after the commission makes their determination, because the idiot is guaranteed to contest it. But maybe there is some truth to the idea that Republicans won't vote to impeach but would vote to declare him incompetent, based on his dumb tweets
I think the chances that republicans will admit their guy is incompetent is close to 0. They will rather lock him up in the white house basement for 2 years.
As soon as he's no longer useful he'll be discarded. Right now they can push through an agenda, blame it all on him and he'll just lap it up. Any attention to him is a good thing. He's an idiot but he's managed to attract some vile, politically savvy people to his cabinet. They know what they're doing.
No, the optics here are very important. If they get rid of a sitting president during the next elections democrats will say "the last guy they nominated was so bad they had to get rid of him, you can't trust them". This damages the brand and they don't want that. They always have to project confidence and never admit mistakes. It was the same with Biden. People around him new for a very long time that he was unfit for office but were hiding it for as long as they could. Republicans will do the same but Trump doesn't have to do any debates. He just has to wave at people from a distance and sign papers.
I think they've been puppeteering him since he first took the oath in 2017. They just guide him to the decisions that they want. There may be a few original ideas, but I doubt many of them are.
Remember his father was made to think he was working https://people.com/fred-trump-family-history-dementia-donald-behavior-exclusive-8738427
Maybe the dementia will progress far enough that he’ll forget he needs to send in a letter
Stephen miller has to be too incompetent to use one of the auto Sharpies to forge the letter too don’t forget.
If I were a Republican I'd be arguing that there's no way Americans didn't already know he was incompetent when voting for him.
Yea, no backsies!
This seems like more copium and wishful thinking but it is probably more likely, but still not likely.
Somebody needs to position themselves right next to the Stalemate Resolution Button and be ready.
Yeah far easier to impeach, which requires a simple majority in the House and 2/3rds of the Senate.
The 25th Amendment is a higher bar, since it requires 2/3rds of both the House and the Senate.
Impeachment is a claim of malfeasance. 25th is a claim of simple incompetence. The standards of evidence in an impeachment are effectively similar to that of a criminal trial: guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.
The standards of evidence in a 25th amendment action are "reasonable belief".
To impeach him for, say, threatening nuclear annihilation, prosecutors would have to prove that threat was illegally beyond his authority to issue that threat. Which would be difficult, because the president does, indeed, have the power to use nuclear weapons. Congress is free to refuse to act, or to drag their feet for months before acting.
To invoke the 25th amendment, Vance merely has to say that the president is not acting reasonably.
That's the issue when you have a Republican controlled Congress. They'll never turn on the party so you're asking them to hold themselves accountable.
Oh great another 2 year circus side show.
A commission to assess?
Ffs.
Nuke us from space.
Your request for "nuke us from space" has been filed. It may take up to 15-20 years before you get a reply.
And if you follow there may
Be a tomorrow but if
The offer's shunned
You might as well be walking on the Sun
Folks, they're talking about my ballroom, and saying all that glitters is gold. . . .
I’m fairly sure it’s already been denied, properly filed in a disused lavatory with “beware of leopard” sign as is due process.
Username checks out
...after which a commission may be formed to assess whether this would be the right move. And after that, it'd probably be DOA in the senate if it gets that far.
Not good enough.
Concepts of a plan.
This "other body" is the commission they are talking about.
If we should be nuked from space for anything, it’s Trump’s insanity, not calling it out. Yesterday people complained that Democrats don’t even put up any opposition. Now we’re complaining when they begin the process of removing him from office. 🤷♂️
They're not in the process of removing him from office.
We deserve it because we have let it go on this long.
And if the Democrats were serious they would impeech him, not start a committee to evaluate. What the Democrats have done is begun to waste more time.
You know they have impeached him twice already, right?
It's the only way to be sure.
Has anyone noticed that the "both sides are the same so don't bother voting" crowd have tripled efforts since we neared another important election time frame, funny how that happens.
Especially pitching that in the face of Hungary's recent transition.
I have not noticed that, no.
Consider this your notification then
What metric are you using to measure that? Wheres your data?
Not everything is a court of law that needs data points presented on-demand.
Just start paying attention, if you notice it then you'll see it. If you don't then maybe the other commenter is wrong. But it's helpful to be aware and start noticing names.
have you ever noticed how the "have you ever noticed?" people have tripled their efforts now that the "both sides are the same so don’t bother voting” crowd have tripled their efforts?
No notes.
Nobody said anything about a court of law.
Anecdotes are worthless. You dont know that the posts have increased. It could be your perception of them increased. This kind of shit is no better than the dumbasses who reject science because it conflicts with their feelings.
At best the Democrats have been doing the ratchet effect, at worse you see no difference since they kept voting Trump appointees.
"They" as a group did not keep voting Trump appointees. Most of them didn't, but you're always going to have some throw away a meaningless vote and holdup in return for a political favor from the other side
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/senate-confirms-48-trump-nominees-at-once-after-gop-changed-the-chambers-rules
I'm not just talking about Senate but committees that come up first for appointees. So I'm hearing then they also cannot manage to keep themselves in order with their overall arching message of Resistance as well. Which is another tick against them.
Edit: Also yeah, let's not forget voting to fund ICE and DHS. Neo-liberalism isn't a compromise, it's just believing it is.
Edit 2: Oh also remember when Biden said we need Republicans as much as Democrats? They've got a huge mountain to climb in this regard to be seen as even palatable.
Nobody is going to get 100% of their members to vote a certain way, especially if their votes don't matter. This is true for any political party, even your favored one. When their votes do matter, Democrats vote consistently more progressively than the alternative.
ICE was funded by the OBBBA. All Democrats voted against it in both houses and even convinced several Republicans to vote against it to the point that Vance had to cast a tie-breaking vote.
Biden is senile. He said a bunch of crazy things, but he didn't say we need Republicans as much as Democrats. He said that we need a Republican Party that is principled and strong. It's precisely a lack of principles and backbone that resulted in the GOP's Trump takeover.
We don't need a Republican party, because Democrats do well enough as the conservative party. The fact he still believes we need another conservative party does not look good.
As for voting progressive, boy, Biden and Pelosi sure were voting progressive a lot of the time with funding police.
Look, I get it, you're apologizing for the neo-liberals being shit. But you won't convince me or many other leftists to choose a lesser evil or harm reduction or whatever false dichotomy you call come up with. Just stop.
He looks senile. He is.
Progressives want community policing. They don't want no police. You're confusing progressives with anarchists.
I'm more leftist than you are, and I've already convinced several. The key idea is that we should always do the best we can. If the choice is between bombing Iran and not bombing Iran, I choose not bombing Iran. If the choice is between sanctioning West Bank settlers and getting aid to Gaza and not doing those things, I choose the former. If the choice is between teaching Americans black history as American history and not teaching black history, I choose the former. If the choice is between helping refugees and removing their legal status after they're already in the country and deporting them, you can guess which one I'm going to choose.
While I make these choices, I convince others who aren't as progressive as me why the progressive policies that aren't yet popular make sense, so the next time around, we'll have the votes for it. In just the same way, I convince progressives who don't think through the consequences of their actions why they need to, so we have the votes not to backslide into regressive policies. I don't agree with anybody I vote for 100% of the time, but I do understand that voting for them is better than the alternative. Imagine if people who wanted equal rights for black people didn't vote for Lincoln because he said he didn't think that blacks should marry whites or go to the same schools (read the Lincoln Douglas debate transcripts).
look do you want another trump? another orban?
because this is how you end up with both. Magyar’s centre-right party secured something better than Orban. Why do you insist on enabling the worst because you can't get your ideals?
I get the urge to change things quickly, but unless you want a civil war, most positive change comes deliberately, not quickly.
"Transition"? Other than licking Israeli boots, what do you think is the major change in Hungary?
They have a fascist lite instead of full fascist? Dunno, sounds like it'll only be marginally better. Vote the lesser evil, because, apparently that's better...
Less is better than more evil, correct.
Maybe in the short term . . .
Nobody knows what the long term holds, and it's in no universe worth gambling on accelerationism when there's real immediate harm we can prevent by voting for the Democrats. At the very least, measles won't come back.
There's real immediate harm you create by voting for the Democrats under current leadership, and that's opportunity cost. You're allowing a group which is doing nothing to combat Trump and the GOP to maintain positions of power and organize resistance to them to their own benefit.
No Kings is the best you're going to get out of them, and it's nowhere near enough.
There is currently no alternative to the left of the Democrats that has a credible path to power. It is not an "immediate harm" to undermine an alternative which is not even considered a genuine threat by the establishment.
Build those alternatives, sure, but they are not going to overturn the current system overnight.
And why the left will not just support Dems blindly. Evil is still evil.
We need to live in the reality that we're getting evil either way and try to minimize harm.
Negative, I'll vote in primaries and do what I can in my limited capacities to see better candidates that aren't harmful. I won't accept less than that.
I too have also heard that less evil is better but I'm not a philosopher.
We are all Hungary; time to eat the rich.
Yes dear, we're all paid actors committed to a secret plot to keep the raw dynamism of Chuck Schumer from the levers of power. We all remember the Red Terror he unleashed when the Democrats won both houses in 2020.
Schumer is literally doing everything he can to help trump pass his agenda and prevent congressional oversight of operation epstein fury.
And he's a perfect example of a dem senator who wants everyone to stay home on election day because he's the incumbent presumptive winner.
Hey, if you're calling for people to show up to the Senate primary - and then not vote for Schumer if he wins that - I'm with you, 100%.
If you're saying we need to vote for Schumer because he's not as bad as Trump, not with you.
Spot the pocket both sides trash and direct their opinion to the dumpster. Case in point.
Spot the neo-liberal simps and be sure the dumpster is on fire first.
And the accusations of being a Trump supporter are here, folks! Get them right here! Just a small price of your soul and morals right here folks!
it's dangerous to go alone, take this!
Nazis typically get upset when you point out the swastika they're wearing.
Not with that doomer attitude
His craziness needs to stay in until December.
Why?
47 needs to go ASAP, if vance has to serve more than 50% of the remaining term then he can only run for reellection once. If 47 croaks or is removed after that point, the couch-fucker can run with some incumbant advantage twice
Isn't that exactly why we'd want him removed before December?
And why he doesn't. And since he needs to be involved in any 25th amendment action, he gets to decide whether to do it before or after January 20th.
You think anyone would vote for Vance? I think his only chance for the presidency is a heart attack or successful assassination of the pedo in chief.
The clown keeps making the circus look like a circus. Vance might bring some illusion of sanity to the MAGAts. At present, the mid-terms will be a slaughter.
Midterms.
The voters voted for Trump. They didn't vote for Vance, and never will. So that is not a very good reason for him to stay.
Because most of the populace forgets the horrors and need to be brought to the fire until close to the election so they will not vote for more Republicans.
I hear ya, but nobody is going to willingly elect JD Vance. It’s better to remove Pedonald as quickly as possible imho
Man, woman, felon, camera.
His mental fitness is being assessed constantly. They just don't care about his decline. Putin will have him as long as he think he can serve his purpose as being a useful idiot.
*Netanyahu, not Putin
Congress has the power to create a commission to exercise the power to remove a mentally unfit president from office. The biggest worry is that this would inevitably be politicized. I say, let it happen! Let it be political. Let's have an openly political "mental health commission" that will rule that being a member of the opposite political party is a mental illness. Hell, let it become a formality. It will simply be expected that the president will be removed from office after a change in Congressional control. Whenever a change in control of Congress happens, the new Congressional leadership will stuff it with political ideologues. And they'll inevitably rule a president of the opposing party to be mentally unfit. Eventually it just becomes a formality, no one even considers it unusual. We just expect the presidency to be able to flip every two years. And we giggle that it has to be done by formally declaring the previous guy to be crazy. I think this would be a good idea.
Why? Because this would effectively transform the US into a Parliamentary democracy. A simple majority in both houses of Congress would be enough to install a new president. They effectively become a Prime Minister at that point. Parliamentary democracies have proven much more resilient to strong-man dictatorial takeover. It's not as perfect a solution as amending the constitution to formally remove the office of president entirely, but it would be a decent hack to do something similar. And going to a Parliamentary system isn't a magic cure-all, but it does have quite a bit of merit. As a plus, we would have the bonus of being "that nation that regularly declares its former leaders legally crazy." And you know what? I think that works well with America's energy.
as an aussie that has a parliamentary system, and in that system has had a period where we frequently ousted the PM, it’s not that great of an idea
you want governments to be able to plan for the long term. really, even 4y is not great for long term planning because it kinda implies you need to show results before the term is up
we had a bunch of policy flip-flops during that period, which is very inefficient
i guess it doesn’t really matter if you get 2y no matter what: there’s no more after your 2y, but i think that’d lead to leaders doing a bunch of the “fuck it” last term stuff because they have no reason to make a good impression for their potential reelection
I think the US has failed to plan for the long term enough that it no longer has to 🫠
that was certainly in the back of my head the whole time… policy flip flop and lack of long term planning in modern politics is pretty much the norm anyway… but i think to encode that into a kind of standard way of operating is perhaps not a good thing… adding an extra layer that’s hard to undo before fixing the core problem is how the US got to where it is now
I totally get where you're coming from. It's hard for me not to view the US (being a recovering seppo myself) as an empire doomed to walk the path of all empires. I still really love the idea of a country based on rule of law by the consent of the governed and all that jazz. But, at some point I stopped believing the US government is even able to reform itself adequately in its current form. Too much of that apparatus is of no interest to anyone who could have a positive impact. The sheer un-coolness of local politics means only the deeply uncool get involved. To say nothing of the bad campaign finance laws!
I wish I knew enough about Australian politics to make a worthwhile comparison. For what it's worth, I think the main thing that makes a government unfit to be reformed is sheer size - your government could never be so large as the US one, so at least there I'm hopeful for positive change towards more stability. Just don't let them build empires!
But, to my knowledge, Australia has never faced the prospect of dictatorial takeover.
When an absolute monarchy works well, it can really work well. Give absolute authority to the rare person that is just, kind, determined, and with a vision? They can work miracles. But a good king is an exception rather than the rule. And the loss of freedom exists regardless of how good the king.
Having a president, does, as you note, have certain practical benefits. But giving one person independent elected authority and control of the military and bureaucracy has proven time and time again to be a recipe for authoritarian takeover. It can still happen in a parliamentary system, but it's a lot harder when the guy controlling the army can be dismissed with a simple majority vote.
I thought the benefits of parliamentary systems come from the fact that that they're more proportional. They have a balance of power going on in the fact that you can win a seat from being popular in your district, but you can also win from being popular in your party, which gives a chance to minority parties that are spread thin across the country.
Winning a district directly gives you those "maverick" politicians that don't fit into the major parties but they reflect the unique local politics. But those people can be corruptly beholden to their local industries. Winning off the party list results in members who represent their parties.
Deliciously written and insightful. Thank you!
Not bad in theory but fix gerrymandering and apportionment first
Unfortunately, they can only create that commission if the president signs it, or they have a veto-proof majority, or they send it to JD while Trump has executed Section 3 of the 25th.
That's basically saying "No u".
Gross
Old
Projection
Seriously, people have (rightly) been saying this about Trump for decades!
"We finally got him!" - The same people saying this 10 years ago.
Surely the Mueller report will save us
Jesus Christ just go for impeachment. If you can 25th, you can impeach. What a waste of time.
Is impeachment much better? He's been impeached twice already, what did that accomplish?
That's because they didnt get the 2/3 in the Senate they needed to remove him. But they need that 2/3 to 25th him... So yeah.
Plus if they 25th he can just write a letter saying he is competent and resume being president whenever he wants.
they may get 2/3 if those Republicans on the fence feel like they have a good excuse to throw him under the bus. Their insane base might still vote for them if they say "we had to he was really sick" instead of "we had to he's breaking things you don't give a fuck about"
It's politics.
Claiming Trump is crazy is much more vulnerable to rebuttals that the accusers are political and suffer from "Trump Derangement Syndrome". Some of the shittiest politics comes from chopping up video clips to make people look crazy or stupid. Or just reading transcripts. Every transcript of extemporaneous speech makes the speaker sound stupid. That's just how it natural speech works and the leeway you have in performing a transcript.
Impeachment puts the focus on the crimes he's committing and the actual damage he's doing.
Does the 25th also work to remove Schumer and Jeffries from office?
Works as well as removing a president from office. So not at all
I knew the dems would form a committee eventually. It's only a matter of time now. /s
I can't wait to read the strongly worded letter.
"We are going to file a request to create a vote in order to create a commission, that can create a petition to allow us to file the article to vote on whether or not we can impeach the seditious, blackmailed. child raping, human trafficker that sold out our country".
The rules are pretty hilarious at this point.
They REALLY WANT HIM GONE GUYS
I'd like to see ole Donny Trump wiggle out of THIS one!
Super easy. Barely an inconvenience.
Hilarious how everyone here complains they take the (slow) bureaucratic route.
This is a political party and that's how they can act.
If you want fast results, take it to the streets. Kicking him out outside of bureaucratic procedures is everyone's responsibility, not specifically the elected parties
Wow. What an uphill battle the Democrats have before them. How will they EVER be able to prove how unfit for office Trump is? Wow. A commission!
What a colossal f*cking waste of time. Just 25th him, already. You've got every damn day Trump's been in office for the last 10 years as evidence. Quit jerking off and do your jobs.
Learn how the government works if you’re gonna prescribe how it should act. The Democrats have no power to 25th him- only his hand picked cabinet can do that.
Now they DO need to be filing impeachment every time he does something wrong and just add it to the growing list and make them have to go through all of it every time. That’s all they can really do.
... nothing is ever good for people like you
People like you are easily placated by insincere token gestures.
No, I just see the bigger picture and understand how things actually work instead or some fantasy where Dems have power
The fantasy is believing anyone's vote will be changed by a commission, oh great big picture understander.
Its worked before...
What do you mean?
Commissions expose truth, people pay attention, votes can change
S.1071 - National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2026
The majority of Dems are complicit - occasionally even enthusiastic - for these atrocities.
Your hijacking the conversation and changing the context, 25th amendment is the topic
All you are doing is spamming
Yes, the Dems have not held power since 2016!
Also, I was in a coma from 21-23 and haven't checked the news.
Now your just being silly
My just being silly what?
I haven’t seen this on Reddit yet. It’s interesting to compare what’s posted on lemmy and reddid.
Another performative stunt. Dead on arrival and everyone knows it.
Would you rather they do nothing at all cause that's the other legal option they have at this moment
Vote no on literally everything, shut it all down.
I'd rather they do something with substance than just a performance. There is zero chance that this follows through and all it will do it give Trump more ammunition for the next person who questions his fitness to serve. Unless there's an actual chance that impeachment or invoking the 25th amendment might go somewhere it's just political theatre.
Like what
Until November.
You mean January 21.
he's going to ace it! it'll be the best 25th amendment commission they've ever seen! Maybe even the most they've ever seen, who knows? lots of people were saying "wow you aced it mr president"
I was just at the hipster coffee shop, and all the people were saying how Trump drew the best clocks ever.
He's already told you he's taken mental tests and done well, like Mensa level well, like they thought he cheated but he didn't well. What more could you possibly want and how the fuck do you think you are going to get it? A move like this doesn't work when you don't have the cards, and you don't have the cards dems.
As A Brit being a third party I will believe it when I see it
Also a Brit, I agree. Plus, even if the Democrats get their shit together (which they won't) and the impeachment goes ahead and doesn't go the exact same way as the other impeachments and even if he is somehow actually removed from the presidency (which is incredibly unlikely IMO), then what? He certainly won't go to jail or face any other consequences and even if he did, it still doesn't fix any of the massive, fundamental problems in the US political system that led to this situation in the first place. Russia will still be meddling with the system, Project 2025 will keep chugging forward, Fox News will still keep spewing bullshit from every available media source and someone else will just fill the vacuum.
Even if the unthinkable happened and the US somehow managed to purge every Mitch McConnell/Lindsay Graham/Ted Cruz/Peter Thiel/Elon Musk type of character out of the system (and those are just a few names off the top of my head, there are probably hundreds that would need to be removed from power/sent to prison realistically) I still don't know if that would be enough. I can't really think of many empires in history that reached this depth of corruption and decline and managed to rise back out of it.
And that's just me talking about the legal ways. By which I mean, they could impeach Trump for years, finally remove him and the MAGA base could very well just be like "fuck it" and storm the capital again or something and put him back in. Nothing would surprise me at this point TBH.
President JD Vance, and then President Mike Johnson
Bureaucratic babbel at it's finest.
".... We kept it grey" was such a powerful line though.
Wasting more funds and time. Gear up for the elections, select the proper candidates who are younger and healthier, get rid of the old shitbags and re-take the executive, administrative and judicial branches. Then prosecute the fuck out of every corrupt MAGA turd. If you clowns let them get away with it again, shame on you.
It's gonna take a lot of effort trying to get democratic socialists into office. That day that happens will be the day a blue corn moon occurs . I really hope the DSA gets a huge boost if they wanna put their place in Congress.
+1...Fully agree!
Sure let's do everything but useful stuff
What's useful stuff at this point, shooting him? At least this will force the Republicans to vote against it making it look like they have something to hide.
It always cracks me up when liberals assume this matters to anyone.
I know like his name all over the Epstein files which he actually hid 😩 turns out no one cares. Everyone’s on board to end the American experiment.
You mean that thing they’ve done for decades that their base wants? Look at how they acted with Good and Pretti, they’re not even trying to make white people comfortable anymore*; the gloves are off. They know that anyone who hates them will hate them and anyone who loves them will let them get away with pretty much anything.
*In the past they’d at least try to make white people comfortable so that said group could ignore major issues. Now they’re shooting them, too.
Yes. Shoot him.
Political power comes from the barrel of the gun, etc.
They have long stopped caring about that.
Congress doesn’t use the 25th amendment, it’s the president’s cabinet.
That is not completely accurate:
Congress can, indeed, create a commission that serves as a substitute to the cabinet for 25th amendment purposes.
Doesn't this mean that Vance would need to approve it as well?
Yes. The 25th explicitly requires the involvement of the VP.
It could be argued that the Speaker of the House could do it if the VP position were vacant, but the 25th does not explicitly consider that situation.
Then it won't happen. Vance isn't stupid, he knows he can't hold maga on his own.
I agree, he likely won't be able to hold MAGA on his own.
However, it's also likely that this is his only chance at the presidency. If he comes to that same conclusion, he may very well take his shot.
He's relatively young. I think he might think he has a shot someday.
So the prize for removing Trump is empowering Vance. Is he more or less likely to nuke Iran?
Much less.
Nobody likes Vance. He was tapped for VP because he posed no apparent threat to 47. He can't hold the MAGAt personality cult together.
He's an asshole and a piece of shit but he seems much more rational than Trump, at the very least.
Remember that the president can only serve two terms. A VP becoming president is considered to have a full term if they work two years and 1 day. So there's your metric of when you would want this to happen.
Wouldn't that still include at least 6 years and 1 day of Vance?
6 years minus a day. But that's still better than 8 years.
Seems sad that things could get to either of those points.
Nothing in here about a commission. A Congressional majority could just announce the President unfit and kick power over to the VP immediately.
Obviously, Republicans aren't going to agree with this. Obviously, JD Vance is a fucking hack who would continue the atrocities. That's why Dems needed to block the 2026 NDAA back in December when they had leverage over the Pentagon's budget. Now they've already rubber stamped the checks and there's little left to obstruct or apply leverage against.
But this just illustrates why "Forming a Commission" is bullshit. Is this really their plan for 2027? Spend a year fucking around on a vote to form a committee to research a bill to have another vote? So they can maybe hand JD Vance the keys to the White House? Assuming some dissident Fetterman tier Senator doesn't spike it while drapping himself in an Israeli flag?
Pathetic.
There certainly is, you're just not understanding what role that commission will perform. The commission is the "some other body" that Congress may provide to serve in lieu of the heads of the executive department.
No, actually, they can't. Incompetence is not an impeachable offense. They would have to hold what is effectively a criminal trial in the Senate. They would have to find him guilty of something beyond a reasonable doubt. That's the evidentiary standard they would have to meet.
With the 25th, they merely have to indicate they have lost faith in his ability to perform the job. That's it.
His tweets threatening nuclear war with Iran are not enough to impeach him. He technically has the authority to make those threats. He can't be impeached for those threats.
Those same tweets are a perfectly valid justification for removing him under the 25th.
This commission is the "some other body" that Democrats in "Congress may by law provide."
They don't need "some other body" because it already empowers Congress.
"Some other body" is quoted from the 25th Amendment, which empowers Congress not to do the same thing that the Vice President and Cabinet can do but to create "some other body" that can do what the Vice President and Cabinet can do. They could pass a law that empowers Congress to do that, but that would be less likely to pass than passing a law that empowers some committee because Congress has other things to do.
Impeachment action is limited to "Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors".
Impeachment is not permitted for simple incompetence.
Congress is only empowered to remove the president by convicting him of a criminal act. Congress does not have the power to remove the president for dementia. Dementia is not a "high crime" or "misdemeanor".
To remove the president for dementia (or simple incompetence or other non-criminal disqualification) requires the 25th amendment. The VP needs the support of either the majority of the cabinet, or a majority of "some other body" that Congress has established for the purpose.
Dems can't get anything done in Congress, so they might as well poison the MAGA well for the Midterms.
I'm pretty sure their purpose is to stall the public until the Republicans can win an election. If a wealthy person just happened to be born in a Democrat state, then that is the ticket they run on. I'd love to find out how many of them have family and friends that are all conservative.
Ah, you're one of those people who will look at any potentially positive action and say it's useless. You know how we know that? It's because you didn't mention any alternatives. Because you don't think there are any alternatives. Because you think life is pointless and we're all gonna die and nobody can do anything to stop Trump. And we all know that's not true because Trump has lost on many issues over the last year and he will continue to in the future. But you don't want us to recognize reality for what it is.
And of course it's hard to get him thrown out of the White House, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't try. Unless, of course, you want him to stay in the White House. Which, perhaps, you do.
Pretending to try is not trying.
:-/
Critical Support to Thomas Matthew Crooks for giving it the old college try.
Yes Charlie Brown, you're gonna kick that football the Dems are holding this time . . .
We can do lots to stop Trump, capitalism, and fascism. You just can't do it by supporting the Democrats.
I mean, it's moderately encouraging to see Dems doing something to fight Trump, but Congress doesn't have the authority to utilize the mechanisms in the 25th amendment to remove Trump. They can issue articles of impeachment (again), but there are too many conservative senators and representatives protecting Trump for that to be viable, either.
This bill won't go anywhere, and even if it did pass, it wouldn't have any effect.
At this point, most of the power they have is performative. They can’t actually do much of anything, but they can make noise. It’s nice to see them doing that. The only shot they have at convincing the MAGA politicians to flip is by flipping public opinion more than it already is.
Even then, I’m not sure it would matter. What are people in red states going to do? Vote for a Democrat!? The mere thought of such a thing!
If there were viable candidates available to actually promote it might happen. I know plenty of people in a red state that were talking about Sanders when he ran. Instead you have the Senate race in NC where during the primary Roy Cooper only ran on "Make Stuff Cost Less" (his actual fucking only campaign proposal at the time to lower food/grocery prices). Luckily he has updated his page with healthcare and utilities now.
That's fair, and I agree it's better to see dems doing anything, if only for the novelty of it.
This is slightly incorrect. Congress can pass a law forming a body which can then determine if the president is unable to perform their duties and invoke section 4 of the 25th amendment.
Passing such a law would almost certainly require a veto override, and even then, Congress would still need a two thirds majority of both houses to make section four stick.
This bill's primary purpose is to force Republicans to be on record that they are just fine with whatever unhinged things Trump is doing. Just like the war powers bills.
Surely the libs will kick the football this time.
Useless noise for headlines. We need to focus on voting MAGA and turn-coat dems out.
Swing that lettuce leaf. Get Hakeem Jeffries and his flexible spine to do it
and they said Idiocracy wasn't a documentary!
Also good luck getting Vance to sign off on this =|
JD is in it for power. He knows he cannot just Trump alone. He, like a most of the conservative side, is scared of what Trump Will do. This may be the push needed to get him off the couch
hopefully he cleans it first!
evaluated by who? his corrupt and loyal physicians? do more democrats
just ask him
Good
Trump, December 2025
The Independent.
How many bills do they need to file?
so getting around to thinking about it. hope committee might finally distract from all that epstein horror
I ain't looking forward to the next candidate so trump getting ousted is not much of a W.
Maybe we should welcome that though? Shouldn't we the people be able to kick out any president that isn't doing what the majority expect? Other countries seem to do this fine. Time for the USA to exercise that approach. Bring on the bad ones, we'll kick them all out.
Come on, let's at least try to be a bit proactive next time, eh? Nobody wants to go through this bullshit again.
People have rarely done proactive as a mass group. Social media has broken that trick.
If trump is removed under the 25th then Vance is potus.
The executive summary of their investigation will be ..
"What the fuck."
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Course the repugs will deny it
This just in: “Performative Democrats take performative action to try to get you to vote establishment candidates ahead of midterms.” Nothing the democrats are doing is going to stop me from voting the leftist lefty I can in my locals. period.
This is even more worthless than a strongly worded letter.
The Democrats are the minority party, there's not much more than strongly worded letter that they can do.
...out of everything this is what they choose... Wtf is wrong with usa. It's like the culture and country are all mentally ill.
What, exactly, would you have them do? Seriously, what should they do instead?
Are you on crack?
good one!
Wait a second... Did you think I was talking about you?
I replied to one of your other posts agreeing with your take on the original poster. That original poster was a twat that sounded like they have no wisdom. I was siding with you.
My mom joke was towards a totally different person.
Again, what would you have them do, specifically? Try to form an actual response this time. And don't delete it afterwards this time. Your mom would be disappointed.
My bad, I am beset by people now and jumped off the gun, sorry.
No problem! ✌️
say that to myface motherucker I dare you.
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