Yeah a lot of people don't realize that being in the U.S without like asylum status or a green card, work visa, whatever. ... Yeah it's not illegal.
You can get in some trouble in the form of deportation and restricted from coming back.
But on the books. It's not illegal.
Thats what the magas don't get either.
"Well they shouldn't have been here illegally"
They weren't. No one is here illegally because there are no laws against it. Just regulations.
This is also why it actually is illegal to arrest them and put them in prisons or long term camps just for being undocumented.
That's kidnapping and illegal imprisonment.
Who doesn't get it? Hey you got to tell these government officials that they are wasting their time. I also heard that there's a child molester in charge of a country of not child molesters. And they are speaking truth to power but are so powerless that were actually lying.
Yeah, the only actual crime is sneaking across the border. But most people here "illegally" didn't even do that. Most undocumented immigrants didn't pay some coyote to sneak them across the US-Mexican border. Most come here completely legally through ordinary travel options and overstay their visas.
You usually document yourself when applying to USCIS for an employment authorization card.
There are people working without it but that's usually either to pay for the USCIS application fees or not starving to death while you wait for the card to arrive (took 1 year for me)
Also even "illegal" immigrants are mostly asylum. You can't wait in their country for asylum application to process while your government is trying to arrest/kill you.
Well when the laws don't work for the people, they are more likely to break them. As you say, it's understandable.
The laws and regulations that need fixed.
I knew this guy I met while helping out at a community garden and they kept having problems with school kids walking through the garden lot. Not intentionally stepping on plants but part of the path they were wearing into the ground did go through the watermelon patch.
The back of the school basically emptied out to the back of the garden lot. So kids would cut through it to get home.
This garden guy kept complaining about them. Said they were going to have to pay for a big fence.
I said. Well these kids have to walk around 3 blocks to not cut through. They aren't going to do that. And isn't it kinda rude to force them to? (Based on how worn the foot path was) I said, They've been walking through here for years.
Maybe instead of a fence. Make a path for them.
They will walk on a path if it's efficient. And then you can direct them from walking on the plants and making a dirt path that gets muddy when it rains.
Nope. Too much work.
Fence.
I still think my idea was better. Make spaces work for people. Make guidelines that work for the people . And then people won't be breaking them.
Ok. I'm thinking he might want to replace his PR team, is that you?
I would consider the creature who thought up that plan to be a degenerate. And would have to initiate them into service.
It is illegal and it is a crime and that makes doing it fucking cool and i will buy you a beer or joint or something for being that cool, and also for 'welcome, death to the state' reasons.
Most immigrants without proper documentation arrived legally and therefore haven't committed a crime, they overstayed or fell out of status, which is civil.
But people who enter or reenter the United States without permission CAN face criminal charges, specifically under 8 USC section 1325 (improper entry, a misdemeanour) and section 1326 (reentry after deportation, a felony).
The word illegal does not imply civil versus criminal you dumb fuck. Also, something being illegal does not even imply that its immoral. But hey what does anyone care about facts nowadays.
You can't yell on the internet you little bitch. And if you start insulting people don't be surprised if they insult you back. You little bitch. Give your balls a tug.
sigh, are you sure you need to be this angry? feel free to hurt yourself with that high blood pressure. seriously chill, you're the one who began insulting.
No one is illegal. period.. you can do illegal stuff, but illegal is not something you are. Not only because of civil violations/misdemeanor... but because "illegal" isn't a personal trait.
If "being" for some people is an illegal act, that is an apartheid dystopian nightmare.
and yes, I'll say the United States has immigration apartheid. immigrants have a different set of laws, courts, and punishments for crimes. that's a form of apartheid.
If an undocumented is caught speeding, they can get deported, while a citizen just gets a fine.
other counties are even granting immigrants voting rights, while here they are practically treated as subhuman cheap labor.
In the US, government agents will issue an arrest warrant if you get a traffic violation then fail to participate in the legal system. You have to show up in court or accept default judgement and pay the fine.
It's the same with "illegal immigration" except you go into the federal Homeland Security system where the feds are above the law, and the default judgement is "deportation", which is technically exile unless they send you back to the country you emigrated from, which they put no effort into figuring out.
Given my own experience with a brother-in-law being deprorted to a country where he cannot legally work, this sounds like a euphemism. We participated in the legal system, lawyers and all.
civil violation, should we jail people who parked illegally? rather than a fine? should you get deported if you park in the wrong place? Should parking violations be part of people's criminal history?
imagine being unemployable due to a parking violation.
civil violation ≠ crime, and doesn't make someone illegal
someone cannot be illegal, they can do illegal stuff but you cannot be illegal.
I never said anything about jail. Just that being undocumented is in fact illegal. The rest is just you projecting your morals onto a simple statement of fact.
It's shocking how the mental capabilities lemmy users is so painfully low that they're literally incapable of digesting a simple meme like this. The fact that so many are taking it seriously is concerning.
I do find it funny that we're all up in arms about people being called illegal immigrants in the US but nobody seems to notice that MOST of the world has closed borders, maximum stay durations for non-residents, etc.
I will preface the rest of the comment with the following disclaimer: While I do believe in immigration controls, I AM NOT TRYING TO JUSTIFY ICE.
Obviously what ICE is doing is fucked up on a level of its' own and nobody should be forcefully deported without due process EVER, much less to a concentration camp in a random ass country, but at the same time, I think we can still differentiate between legal and illegal immigrants? And legally speaking, it's got nothing to do with race. The right wants you to think that latinos == illegal immigrants == criminals whereas there are plenty of white illegal immigrants (I've had a family member migrate to the US a long time ago and overstay their welcome and we're literally mayo colored) and most latinos are legal immigrants and most illegal immigrants aren't criminals either.
Either "illegal immigrants" needs to lose its negative and racial connotations, or there needs to be another term for people who are in the country illegally, but aren't actually actively committing crimes or anything, because such people will always exist, and there should be clear cut paths for residency for them, as well as humane paths to exit the country if they don't want to become permanent residents or aren't eligible for some reason. And the distinction between legal and illegal/undocumented immigrants needs to exist because... There are records about the former, they pay taxes, etc, but usually the latter don't pay taxes. They for sure don't in my country, they're hired without a contract and paid in cash. They aren't part of censuses. They don't receive benefits they should be eligible to if they were here legally.
I'm not talking about refugees either, I'm talking about people who come here for work, get paid near minimum wage for hard work that a citizen/resident would get paid at least twice as much for and the employer would have to pay taxes for. They get a raw deal themselves, they mess up the labor market for everyone else (hire an Estonian for 2000€ a month contractual monthly wage, he only gets ~1660 and you have to pay a total of 2676 (because taxes exist on both sides of the employment contract) OR hire an undocumented Ukrainian, pay him 800-1000€ and give him and 3 of his mates an apartment to live in that you pay a total of 500€ a month for). I used Ukrainians for the example not because of war refugees, but because at least before the war, I knew about more than one small-time employer using undocumented Ukrainian laborers.
There absolutely are issues that come from illegal immigration and just ignoring their existence doesn't help anyone. Instead the goal should be to help them become legal immigrants. And as much as it sucks, fully open borders would suck for any moderately wealthy country. Capitalists are gonna capitalist and if you suddenly increase a country's workforce by a huge amount, well, salaries for everyone are going down. Immigration controls are, in fact, kind of an artificial scarcity on the workforce. Obviously skilled labor from abroad is beneficial for an economy, particularly experts that are hard to train, but you also don't want to suddenly increase your workforce by 10% a year or something because of open borders. Salaries for everyone will go down FAST.
After seeing that betting site prediction about Trump mentioning Allah a second time, nothing can phase me for this year. (Maybe even until 2028 or his funeral. Whichever comes first)
Does the President get to use the Secret Service, because that seems unfair
Those were fun times …
they both are predators, but one is also an alien.
The predator in the films is also an alien, so 🤷♂️.
in the "newer' predator movie, i think there was an actual predator playing one of the characters.
True
I'm not entirely convinced Trump is from this planet as well.
the other is crossbred with a pumpkin or umpa lumpa
https://avp.fandom.com/wiki/Predalien_(caste)
Let's just call them immigrants or undocumented. "Illegal" just makes them sound like rapists and murderers.
also, being undocumented isn't illegal. existing isn't a crime.
Yeah a lot of people don't realize that being in the U.S without like asylum status or a green card, work visa, whatever. ... Yeah it's not illegal.
You can get in some trouble in the form of deportation and restricted from coming back.
But on the books. It's not illegal.
Thats what the magas don't get either. "Well they shouldn't have been here illegally"
They weren't. No one is here illegally because there are no laws against it. Just regulations.
This is also why it actually is illegal to arrest them and put them in prisons or long term camps just for being undocumented. That's kidnapping and illegal imprisonment.
shithole country
Who doesn't get it? Hey you got to tell these government officials that they are wasting their time. I also heard that there's a child molester in charge of a country of not child molesters. And they are speaking truth to power but are so powerless that were actually lying.
I am so confused.
We are talking about undocumented immigrants and foreigners in the U.S.
Why would you want anyone to immigrate to this country? Trump is just going to rape them
Yeah, the only actual crime is sneaking across the border. But most people here "illegally" didn't even do that. Most undocumented immigrants didn't pay some coyote to sneak them across the US-Mexican border. Most come here completely legally through ordinary travel options and overstay their visas.
No offense, but if you don't detain them then how can you document them properly?
They document themselves.
If they don't, well. Who cares ?
Most places won't hire undocumented. That actually is illegal.
If they commit crimes they get arrested and deported.
If they aren't committing crimes then why do I care if they are here or not?
They can't get food stamps or unemployment. They don't drain any resource.
Most undocumented people here in the U.S are here for family reasons. Asylum. Or sometimes work related. Not nefarious reasons.
If they are criminals then they are illegal and police should nab them. Send to prison or deport.
If we made it easier to self document and allowed to stay, more people would register.
People document themselves when registering visa, if they don't do or stay longer than permitted it is violation, duh. Is it needed an explanation?
Immigrant here, asylum specifically.
You usually document yourself when applying to USCIS for an employment authorization card.
There are people working without it but that's usually either to pay for the USCIS application fees or not starving to death while you wait for the card to arrive (took 1 year for me)
Also even "illegal" immigrants are mostly asylum. You can't wait in their country for asylum application to process while your government is trying to arrest/kill you.
It still a violation of immigration rule no offense. But knowing how muslim countries treating minority the situation is understandable
Well when the laws don't work for the people, they are more likely to break them. As you say, it's understandable.
The laws and regulations that need fixed.
I knew this guy I met while helping out at a community garden and they kept having problems with school kids walking through the garden lot. Not intentionally stepping on plants but part of the path they were wearing into the ground did go through the watermelon patch.
The back of the school basically emptied out to the back of the garden lot. So kids would cut through it to get home.
This garden guy kept complaining about them. Said they were going to have to pay for a big fence.
I said. Well these kids have to walk around 3 blocks to not cut through. They aren't going to do that. And isn't it kinda rude to force them to? (Based on how worn the foot path was) I said, They've been walking through here for years.
Maybe instead of a fence. Make a path for them. They will walk on a path if it's efficient. And then you can direct them from walking on the plants and making a dirt path that gets muddy when it rains.
Nope. Too much work. Fence.
I still think my idea was better. Make spaces work for people. Make guidelines that work for the people . And then people won't be breaking them.
No, I say it's understandable because lunatics in muslim countries tend to kill minority. How can your analogy relevant in this discussion?
Also, being an alien is not any sort of wrong. People going through the formal authorised pipelines are also aliens.
Somehow people have heard the term "illegal alien" and have decided that they can drop the word "illegal" and retain the same meaning.
I'm an alien
I'm a legal alien
I'm an Englishman in New York
yhea, is just a way to signal the world that they're are a racist prick that will only improve the world after their funeral.
Ok. I'm thinking he might want to replace his PR team, is that you? I would consider the creature who thought up that plan to be a degenerate. And would have to initiate them into service.
It is illegal and it is a crime and that makes doing it fucking cool and i will buy you a beer or joint or something for being that cool, and also for 'welcome, death to the state' reasons.
but, it isn't, it's a civil violation. not a criminal one. so no beer for me 😔
It's more complicated than that.
Most immigrants without proper documentation arrived legally and therefore haven't committed a crime, they overstayed or fell out of status, which is civil.
But people who enter or reenter the United States without permission CAN face criminal charges, specifically under 8 USC section 1325 (improper entry, a misdemeanour) and section 1326 (reentry after deportation, a felony).
Yes it is. Holy fuck.
nope, it's a civil violation, not a crime.
but what do Americans care about facts.
The word illegal does not imply civil versus criminal you dumb fuck. Also, something being illegal does not even imply that its immoral. But hey what does anyone care about facts nowadays.
Dude, please, seriously, chill.
I do not wish to go down to your level and start yelling like a toddler who shat my pants.
You can't yell on the internet you little bitch. And if you start insulting people don't be surprised if they insult you back. You little bitch. Give your balls a tug.
sigh, are you sure you need to be this angry? feel free to hurt yourself with that high blood pressure. seriously chill, you're the one who began insulting.
No one is illegal. period.. you can do illegal stuff, but illegal is not something you are. Not only because of civil violations/misdemeanor... but because "illegal" isn't a personal trait.
If "being" for some people is an illegal act, that is an apartheid dystopian nightmare.
and yes, I'll say the United States has immigration apartheid. immigrants have a different set of laws, courts, and punishments for crimes. that's a form of apartheid.
If an undocumented is caught speeding, they can get deported, while a citizen just gets a fine.
other counties are even granting immigrants voting rights, while here they are practically treated as subhuman cheap labor.
Well, you're an illegal driver.
It's like a parking ticket. Is everyone who had a traffic violation now an illegal person?
In the US, government agents will issue an arrest warrant if you get a traffic violation then fail to participate in the legal system. You have to show up in court or accept default judgement and pay the fine.
It's the same with "illegal immigration" except you go into the federal Homeland Security system where the feds are above the law, and the default judgement is "deportation", which is technically exile unless they send you back to the country you emigrated from, which they put no effort into figuring out.
"fail to participate in the legal system"
Given my own experience with a brother-in-law being deprorted to a country where he cannot legally work, this sounds like a euphemism. We participated in the legal system, lawyers and all.
American immigration system is dystopian as fuck.
Oh a parking ticket, like you get when you're parking illegally? https://portal.311.nyc.gov/article/?kanumber=KA-01986
civil violation, should we jail people who parked illegally? rather than a fine? should you get deported if you park in the wrong place? Should parking violations be part of people's criminal history?
imagine being unemployable due to a parking violation.
civil violation ≠ crime, and doesn't make someone illegal
someone cannot be illegal, they can do illegal stuff but you cannot be illegal.
Existing isn't a crime.
I never said anything about jail. Just that being undocumented is in fact illegal. The rest is just you projecting your morals onto a simple statement of fact.
"Being" isnt a crime. again, civil violation doesn't make you a criminal.
and it is quite racist to declare immigrants who committed no crimes as "being" illegal.
Yes, exactly like that. The act is illegal. Not the person. It's not even a felony for heavens sake.
Right so you would agree that being undocumented is in fact illegal?
Yes, breaking the law is illegal. Do you understand that doesn't make the person illegal or even a felon?
"Illegal alien" but it's Irene from rupauls drag race doing a line of coke off a twink's dick in a Seattle bar bathroom (/j, I don't know her)
It actually doesn't. That's your own bias showing through.
Nah it's a thing, we're making a conscious effort to not label human beings existence as "illegal."
No one is illegal on stolen land.
I get that, but "illegal" doesn't make anyone sound like a rapist or a murderer either.
Wish ya werent so fuckin awkward, bud
Well, I suggest you let that one marinate, bud
Pull yer finger outta yer ass
Fuck you Reilly! Your mom shot cum across the room, killed my Siamese fighting fish! Threw off the ph balance in its aquarium!
Fuck you, Shoresy!
GIVE YER BALLS A TUG YA TIT FUCKER
The meme drag pedophiles so hard, you barely notice that it dehumanizes refugees to the same degree.
I agree, this is basically an attack at many individuals.
Atleast, the meme mentions "sex offenders" which is more accurate than pedophilia.
the only funny bit is the movie reference. that idea as a concept is dystopian as fuck
Would it be in bad taste if I, an american citizen since birth, dressed up as mexican and helped?
Every participating undocumented immigrant can enlist the help of a US citizen in a Phone A Friend style team up.
Yes, but entertaining, so we'll allow it.
Just leave your ID at home and pretend you don't know English. What are they gonna do, background check you?
say somthimg bad about trump automaticlly revokes your citzenship thanks to peter "pervert" thiel
Only if you wear an authentic charro outfit.
you mean everyday workers hunting those masked ICE pedos ?
how do we donate toward making this real ?
Sorry but we ran it past a focus group and it turns out Predators hunting Aliens drives more engagement. We tried 🤷🏻
It's shocking how the mental capabilities lemmy users is so painfully low that they're literally incapable of digesting a simple meme like this. The fact that so many are taking it seriously is concerning.
Microbiom health, your welcome
Nazi Holocaust supporters share this type of stupidity..
I'm not currently a Nazi Holocaust supporter but I'm thinking about picking up some literature. Could you please lead me to your area's facilities.
I'd help too.
Still less dystopian than what the government's actually doing lol
I'd rather watch kids falling off of bikes
And itll be violent enough it can count as a naturalization process!
Love it but let's just call them immigrants?
It wouldn't be a reference to the film then. I don't think it's meant to be disparaging.
Wouldn't it still check out?
I recall the term "illegal aliens" so I believe "alien" broadly refers to non-citizens legal or not.
Predators vs Illegal Aliens? Lol
I do find it funny that we're all up in arms about people being called illegal immigrants in the US but nobody seems to notice that MOST of the world has closed borders, maximum stay durations for non-residents, etc.
I will preface the rest of the comment with the following disclaimer: While I do believe in immigration controls, I AM NOT TRYING TO JUSTIFY ICE.
Obviously what ICE is doing is fucked up on a level of its' own and nobody should be forcefully deported without due process EVER, much less to a concentration camp in a random ass country, but at the same time, I think we can still differentiate between legal and illegal immigrants? And legally speaking, it's got nothing to do with race. The right wants you to think that latinos == illegal immigrants == criminals whereas there are plenty of white illegal immigrants (I've had a family member migrate to the US a long time ago and overstay their welcome and we're literally mayo colored) and most latinos are legal immigrants and most illegal immigrants aren't criminals either.
Either "illegal immigrants" needs to lose its negative and racial connotations, or there needs to be another term for people who are in the country illegally, but aren't actually actively committing crimes or anything, because such people will always exist, and there should be clear cut paths for residency for them, as well as humane paths to exit the country if they don't want to become permanent residents or aren't eligible for some reason. And the distinction between legal and illegal/undocumented immigrants needs to exist because... There are records about the former, they pay taxes, etc, but usually the latter don't pay taxes. They for sure don't in my country, they're hired without a contract and paid in cash. They aren't part of censuses. They don't receive benefits they should be eligible to if they were here legally.
I'm not talking about refugees either, I'm talking about people who come here for work, get paid near minimum wage for hard work that a citizen/resident would get paid at least twice as much for and the employer would have to pay taxes for. They get a raw deal themselves, they mess up the labor market for everyone else (hire an Estonian for 2000€ a month contractual monthly wage, he only gets ~1660 and you have to pay a total of 2676 (because taxes exist on both sides of the employment contract) OR hire an undocumented Ukrainian, pay him 800-1000€ and give him and 3 of his mates an apartment to live in that you pay a total of 500€ a month for). I used Ukrainians for the example not because of war refugees, but because at least before the war, I knew about more than one small-time employer using undocumented Ukrainian laborers.
There absolutely are issues that come from illegal immigration and just ignoring their existence doesn't help anyone. Instead the goal should be to help them become legal immigrants. And as much as it sucks, fully open borders would suck for any moderately wealthy country. Capitalists are gonna capitalist and if you suddenly increase a country's workforce by a huge amount, well, salaries for everyone are going down. Immigration controls are, in fact, kind of an artificial scarcity on the workforce. Obviously skilled labor from abroad is beneficial for an economy, particularly experts that are hard to train, but you also don't want to suddenly increase your workforce by 10% a year or something because of open borders. Salaries for everyone will go down FAST.
Damn, that would be aces.
Let's let them start in DC.
I've heard ICE described as a method by which the unemployed might persecute those who still held jobs.
After seeing that betting site prediction about Trump mentioning Allah a second time, nothing can phase me for this year. (Maybe even until 2028 or his funeral. Whichever comes first)
Can't wait 😊
I love how that picture is almost exactly like Anakin from Attack of the Clones saying, “ I don’t think the system works.”
“ET, phone home…”