New: Bombshell report says Trump promised to pardon his entire staff
Donald Trump has promised to pardon his White House staffers, reported the Wall Street Journal’s Josh Dawsey in an exclusive report on Friday.
Dawsey, the veteran DC reporter, cited “people who have heard his comments” in the bombshell report revealing that Trump is asking his staff to operate with a sense of impunity.
“I’ll pardon everyone who has come within 200 feet of the Oval,” Trump reportedly told staffers “in a recent meeting to laughs.”
https://www.mediaite.com/politics/new-bombshell-report-says-trump-promised-to-pardon-his-entire-staff/Open linkView original on lemmy.world666
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It’s just a joke, bro! Unless…
Y'all are the actual government of an entire country. You shouldn't be making fucking jokes in the first place especially when it pertains to the law. And if this was a joke, it's not even a very good one.
The Donvict operates this way, testing the waters to see how far he can go and see what might stick.
my kid reverts to "im just joking" when they know they fucked up, and they are 8. is the potus an 8yo?
That’s not fair. 8 year olds aren’t nearly this dumb.
Doesn’t he say he’s the same person he was when he was 4 and proud of it?
7, but yes, he's said that he's the same person he was in first grade.
I personally believe him on this one.
mine is
Trump has no sense of humor, he doesn't know how to joke
It’s not absolute.
It's not like he's blanket pardoned over a thousand hard criminals that attacked federal officers and property or anything. I'm sure this is nothing.
The leaders of a first world nation are no different from YouTube clown shows.
in december when both houses are returned to sanity the work of overturning pardons one by one will start
there will be no safe place for these people
I'll believe it when I see it. Maybe if you manage to primary candidates that have a spine and will actually do this.
(But yes, everyone should vote blue in general midterms, because the electoral system is cooked and the alternative is messed up beyond words. Especially those who believe Dems are just pretending to oppose fascism or sometjing - the more the Dems win, the more their bluff gets called. And one can say: "Okay, we voted blue and blue won. Now what?")
Lol out loud
There is a pretty significant chance that Trump won't keep his word.
And that's if he doesn't just die before he has a chance to.
Generally speaking, you want to pardon your Capos because you don't want them ratting on you.
You say this as if trump thinks things through.
Hows that Iran situation going? Oh, he declaired absolute victory? How very odd, and also factually untrue.
He's been at this racket for a long while.
Everyone on the inside is making a ton of money.
If they’re pardoned they can’t hide behind the fifth, especially if he issues the blanket pardons like he’s threatening.
Might make for some interesting TV. And you KNOW those dumbfucks would then somehow screw up their testimony, subjecting them to perjury charges…
They can if they don't fear a contempt charge. Quite a few seem happy enough to entirely ignore subpoenas
Yeah but on the other hand, if they are pardoned then the 5th doesn't apply to them and they can face charges for not answering questions.
I’d love it if the media would stop reporting that Trump doing the worst fucking thing imaginable is a “bombshell.”
But this is a bombshell, though? Would be the worst scandal of any other administration.
Every single day would be the worst scandal of any other administration.
Literally.
“Bombshell Report: Trump tells his staff no one will be getting a pardon.”
Now there’s a headline I didn’t see coming.
“bombs’ hell” created by US & Israeli unprovoked aerial bombing attacks in Middle East
Openly manipulating markets and now betting sites for personal gain. They have already embezzled billions. Crypto scams up the wazzo.
The grift knows no end.
And citizens are supposed to pay taxes to support these criminals?
I guess if they do they feel represented by them, isn't that their whole thing?
Well, true Americans, not the woke American left or antifa /s
They can't be pardoned if people get upset enough and remove them
A pardon doesn't magically suspend physics, that's for sure.
Bullet goes in, bullet goes out. You can't explain that
If impeachment goes to trial in the Senate and it looks like it might not go well for him, he will make sure everyone is pardoned before he is removed from office.
republicans will make a show of it but ultimately they won't vote to remove him. They're complicit and they're absolutely wallowing in the fact that they can do whatever they want as long as they convince everyone it was his idea.
What are the odds of people getting "upset enough" about this, but not about putting your shitter full of top secret documents and getting away with it scot-free?
The interesting thing about child rape, is that it activates the completely unhinged QAnon-esque people, who actually do commit violence with glee. Though I disagree with them on many things, we just happen to be aligned on "child rape=bad". That crime creates a visceral reaction that "stealing and selling state secrets" doesn't quite emit.
So I feel like Epstein is the one thing that could actually get through to many in MAGA cult.
Too bad the majority will find a way to justify it rather than admit they supported everything they hated. Calling it now, "Trump had to rape those kids, how else could he have gotten in with those people to take them down?"
As long as it's talking or writing about it people will find a way to justify it or just ignore it for sure.
It'd be a different thing altogether if some VHS tape of him and a crying child happened to appear. That'd turn all but the most vehemently ghoulish people against even him. There'd be no coming back from that. Some might say deepfake this and that but it'd still have an impact.
Probably why some survivors/witnesses simply disappeared. Probably why Melania did her little stunt the other day. Probably why Maxwell is still breathing, too. If someone stashed some tapes it would've been her. She had too much to lose. Nobody is truly untouchable when state actors are involved.
It'll always be a game of percentages. There will always be some amount of hardcore cult members, but as worse and worse things come to light, the new info will pick off sections of MAGA one piece at a time. We can debate percentages, but I think a critical mass of MAGA would leave if they had crystal clear proof of Trump raping children.
One source I'm using is The Necessary Conversation youtube podcast, and while it's just two data points, it give the regular person a really good insight into the cult.
Okay, but do QAnon folks associate child rape with Trump or his administration? A tiny majority maybe, but most are still mainlining the Kool-Aid.
Most Christians are vehemently opposed to many things approved of in the Bible, but it doesn't seem to bother them much.
That would require the repubilcan party to have a spine, and they gave that up a decade ago to better lick trumps "boots"
He could do something really funny and have a heart attack before pardoning anyone.
You had me at heart attack
They would have a weekend at Bernie's before they would let the public know.
As soon as he kicks the bucket there will be a massive power vacuum and everyone will change their policies to align with Vance. Nightmare scenario tbh, I hope he lives til the day he goes lame duck.
It’s almost like they’re criminals or something.
The response to this needs to be a resounding, "LOL, no," from whatever administration comes next. The constitution gives the President the power of the pardon? Well, if gives Congress power of the purse, but we let him ignore that. The Supreme Court will intercede? One of them is married to a J6er, another one is openly taking bribes, and ar least three of them committed perjury when they told Congress said they wouldn't overturn precedent. Our country can't continue without accountability.
I guess a future president could fix it with more pardons. Make a list of people who if they receive mob justice from, the mob are instant pardoned. Might at least get the SC to rein in pardon power.
Because for me it's not really about the people in the administration. Yeah, they suck and should be sent to the Hague. But there have been so many people that have bought pardons from the administration and they are the worst of the worst. Talking people who robbed and killed the elderly, some of the biggest con men and fraudsters. So damn many, they don't even ever make the news.
I've been thinking about this a lot, but the problem is that the President can only pardon federal crimes, so if a mob drags Steven Miller from his house in California and kills him, the President can't do anything to intervene. However, I'm pretty sure that the President could pardon crimes committed in D.C., and the Supreme Court has basically said the President can't be held accountable for crimes committed in office, so in theory, a future President could order agents to take Miller into custody, bring him to D.C., and execute him. He could then pardon everyone involved and no one could be held accountable.
Considering that the SC has basically given the President king powers, the president could make an executive order that any place that domiciles those people on that list is considered federal property while they are there. The current admin has argued more absurd things then that in court already.
How is this a "bombshell"? Like really? Was this not assumed? Hell we don't even know if this shit is technically illegal, immoral yes completely.
The bombshell is: His staff, despite interacting with the guy daily, believed him, I guess...
Well why not? He likely will throw pardons around (it likely makes him hard to abuse the system). At this point they kinda have to go for broke, they are "all in" so to speak.
Has he ever kept a promise, even accidentally?
To help out his friends and sycophants? Yes? I mean he pardoned those Jan 6 people already, and they did not even directly work for him.
Didn’t they though?
I still want SOMEBODY in his corrupt regime to end up in prison.
Sorry best we can seem to do is the collapse of the american empire.
Just feed it into my veins!
It's not illegal, unfortunately.
Promises like his tax returns, the Epstein Files, payments to contractors, payments to rally organizers, that kind of a promise? Or the promises to stay faithful to his 3 wives, of which he cheated on the prior one with the future one.
Thwump has never understood the definition of the word "promise".
Its the same vibe as that one kid in school saying "swear on my life on my LIFE that means if Im lying ill actually die i swear on my MOMS LIFE too im super serious"
That's quite literally not a way out for these traitors. That will just give the individual states easily winnable cases against anyone that accepts a pardon.
If the non-fascists take back Congress, we can change the current laws & simply extradite the rest of them to the Hague. And we've now seen how fast the federal government can move when it wants to.
At the very least, these traitors are going to be fighting civil lawsuits until they die.
Big "if" right there...
yeah agreed. I keep circling around the fact that our government is completely captured across every branch and party, and the interests that have it captured care nothing about Americans, or are hostile and just using us. The 2 political parties dictate the outcome for primaries, so they will never let an honest actor win a national primary unless a secret-decent person manages to sneak through their net, which seems unlikely given the grooming process politicians need to go through before they get any real power. Mamdani won because mayoral races arent as hard to enter and get funded as federal races are. But he did it despite the dems massive efforts to backstab his campaign into oblivion. Can that scale nationally? Seems hard to beleive. Bernie's candidacy and the outcome of his suing the DNC showed us that they can hand pick whoever they want at any time and the primary system is not legally binding, and need not be fair or impartial. Its not really an election.. Only the general election is.
https://observer.com/2017/05/dnc-lawsuit-presidential-primaries-bernie-sanders-supporters/
So whats inevitable now : Social programs and free speech/protests will inevitably be removed. I cant see a midterm win by dems leading to a turnaround in our national descent into fascism. Its really just a matter of time until some sort of revolution happens, and the centrists are just playing for time in an utterly doomed system. We're in a dead zombie democracy that was a watered down version of democracy even when it was alive.
How do pardons work on war crimes?
Trump has previously pardoned at least one guy convicted of warcrimes in US courts. So I assume pardons work just fine, for that purpose.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/dec/27/eddie-gallagher-trump-navy-seal-iraq
Well that's fucked up.
But does a US President even have the right to send US citizens to The Hague? I imagine not, since the US is not a signatory.
If there is no legal US framework, then sending them to The Hague against their will would presumably literally be a crime under US law. In principle, US President can't just kidnap people.
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lol, this made me laugh in the most depressing manner.
Oh, don't worry. Gdub signed the Hague Invasion Act back in 2002, so we already have a legal justification to invade the Hague if they get uppity and checks notes hold these evil fucks accountable for their crimes.
The trick is to be pardoned by a war criminal.
When you start pardoning everyone... When you start operating so much outside of the law that this becomes SOP....
...You gotta stop and really question if what you're doing is actually right or not.
And this guy is the PRESIDENT? Damn man. For shame.
I know the US has had an extremely troubled history and is constantly making costly ethical mistakes. But... This is just like... An exceptionally dark time for the USA. And that's saying something.
Like, for real. What's the exit plan here? What's the actual outcome of this gonna be? How bad is this gonna get? And how do we, as people, overcome this?
All black pills and cynicism aside, this has got to stop, and the only way it's going to, is with leadership with power. What type of leader is going to be the spearhead for the step forwards?
Biden already set precedent by pardoning his entire administration to prevent malicious prosecutions from this one. Motivation may have been different, but that doesn't really change that he just promised to do the same thing Biden did.
Trump weaponised the DOJ. Trump is a war criminal. Trump would pardon his illegal deeds regardless if Biden used that power, however, the former president had to pardon unless continuous prosecution seems like a fun everyday activity.
Trump will say he does what Biden did, but he is a living sack of human garbage so his comments mean nothing. By that logic Biden could've removed democracy too, as Trump started his first term.
He will pardon anyone whose useful to him, regardless of the crimes. I'm exhausted trying to get people to understand just how destructive and dangerous it is for him to be in power. None of it matters. He's gonna get away with it all because too many people believe, for no good fucking reason, that something will stop him so the don't have to act.
He will pardon everyone who can afford it.
Trading favours and being un service to him is payment though.
Ok hold, that's fine let him do that. Now what the next president should do just assassinate them and then pardon the assassins. Since it seems that we can do whatever the fuck we want with the pardons now.
You know, you always have the power to void any pardons from Trump (create a new law). But that would require you lot to grow some balls which I don't see happening.
So what. He promises a lot of things he doesn't deliver. Staffers know that best of anyone.
They should, but so many still get caught out thinking they were special and that surely after 79 years, they'd be the person Trump didn't screw over
I'm not sure they are thinking that. I bet they think they are the one person who can somehow ride the wave that it trump and find a way off it and still win. Like how a golddigger is hoping the guy will die soon. I mean, while hw is a grifter, he is a sloppy one. So the people around him end up recieving plenty of the spoiles of his grifting (points to stock market data right before trump does something that affects it greatly). So even if he does turn on them, they usualy come out rather rich.
Why do they need assurances that they'd get pardons?
This is the guy that claimed anyone taking the Fifth was guilty, now promising pardons?
Mamdani is safe!
Until you disappoint him somehow and he ignores your legal peril, like last time
His pardon means nothing in the Hague.
The Hague means nothing without extradition.
The US government and the entire US Armed Forces would have to be in complete collapse for that to happen without enormous bloodshed.
Unfortunately America wouldn’t let an American appear at The Hague. Like I’m sure they’d send special forces to recover them before that.
America does, and always has, done only what serves America. Biggest threat to world peace for like half their existence.
Gdub signed the Hague Invasion Act back in 2002, so we've already got laws on the books to do it.
I did not know that. So that confirms my armchair theory 😂.
Those laws can be rescinded by Congress, just like any others.
And Congress can impeach the president. Just because they can doesn't mean they will or have any desire to, unfortunately.
It's cute you think we wouldn't send the military to stop it. Gdub signed the Hague Invasion Act back in 2002
okay then we just [redacted] them lol.
More corruption. And Americans continue to do nothing .
I think most Americans are apathetic about issues that don't effect our lifestyles. We don't necessarily like the actions of our country as a whole, but we limit our outrage to the internet and the ballot box.
Too bad the ballot box won’t be much of an option for you, but most won’t even notice given how many don’t bother to vote.
BOMBSHELL!!!!!!!
This is why I don't want bondi being investigated right now. I can wait 3 years.
They could have stopped Trump from running if they cared.
The system allows it, real democracies don't rely on people's good faith
It's funny they still refer to this kind of shit as a bombshell. Must be a real small bomb for the zero reaction or consequences we've seen thus far.
Accepting a pardon is an admittance of guilt. The courts might feel differently, but I think this is close enough to count.So since Anthony Fauci accepted a preemptive pardon from Biden, you believe Anthony Fauci is guilty?
(Your guilt admittance claim is untrue)
This was something I heard before but your comment drove me to look into it. I thought it was precedent but I was wrong. Absolutely wrong.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burdick_v._United_States
It is official and private, even if we all hear about it on the evening news.
As your article says, Ford falsely claimed it. So I can imagine it is a widespread misconception.
Here’s a thought: he does that and the next admin simply broadcasts all of their locations 24/7 and let the people sort it out. Or give them the option of rejecting their pardons and taking their medicine via the judicial system. I can think of a bunch of creative legal ways we could get around them if Dems are willing to play ball.
They wouldn’t need a pardon if they were not committing crimes.
I know why he did it but I really wish Biden hadn’t pardoned his son. Sets a precedent that the right will use.
Are war crimes pardonable?
are war crimes enforced period? I mean there's been what 2 small countries prosecuted for war crimes since WW2, and a couple of world leaders walking around with arrest warrants on their heads that don't really seem to be affected by it anyway.
Yes.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/dec/27/eddie-gallagher-trump-navy-seal-iraq
Do we have to accept the pardons made by a criminal? I'm sure the complicit figures in government will abide by it but I don't think they shoyld get off scot-free because of a pardon. They shouldn't be valid.
25th
To any staffer doing illegal stuff on this empty promise: he didn't say he'll do it for free, remember to put away some cash to purchase one when needed
Would be a shame if he died before he could do that from a heart attack or something.
You have to be charged first morons
Didn't Biden preemptively pardon his family to prevent them from being heckled by this maniac?
Cant the president undo that shit if he wants to?
The president can do whatever he wants to if he has a friendly enough Congress and Supreme Court.
Did Bidens staff ever go to jail for blatant lying to commit genocide?
The Wall Street Journal should learn to take a joke
The President of the United States of America should take his job seriously. The WSJ is just doing something called "reporting".