Fox viewers probably do view him as woke, because he's critical of trump and openly supports Democrats. Or maybe they ignore him because it breaks their narrative.
There can't be a free market with a monopoly on violence by definition of the word "monopoly," yet a free market requires the enforcement of basic rules ("no stealing" being the most obvious). Conclusion: "Free market" is a contradiction.
How so? Under state governance businesses are forced to pay a certain entity for security (policing) and other services through taxes on pain of loss of property. This is a monopoly on essential services enforced by violence, basically the most anti-free market thing ever.
Okay devil's advocate over, serious argument here: The monopoly on violence, by definition, comes with the ability to make and enforce various rules for the operation of the market. This is tax codes, zoning laws, labor laws, tariffs, environment protection laws, IP law, etc. The ideal of the perfect free market requires that these rules to be minimalist and "fair," but that's impossible to achieve because nobody can objectively decide which rules are necessary and fair and which are not. Therefore it's always going to be possible to argue that such and such isn't a true free market because this or that rule stifles competition, ultimately tying back into the point that a true free market can't be subject to arbitrary rules and therefore is incompatible with the monopoly on violence. The two senses of "free" are identical here.
I still think that you are being overly literal for an argument ("There is no such thing as a free market") that doesn't actually get you anywhere. If free markets don't exist, then personal freedom doesn't exist for the exact same reasons. But to get there, you have to rely on the idea that "you can argue" without examining whether those arguments have any merit. Nobody takes "free" to mean "absolute freedom". It's always relative. This is a silly semantic argu... oh. This is silly. Damn it. Why didn't anyone stop me.
I still think that you are being overly literal for an argument ("There is no such thing as a free market") that doesn't actually get you anywhere.
It does. Whenever you criticize capitalism or the free market, you invariably get a bunch of "free market enthusiasts" arguing that the problem is too much regulation and too little free market. Any time the "free market" produces brutally exploitative living conditions and colluding oligopolies, the claim is always the same: "This is corporatism, not capitalism. Government interference in the market did this. We should make the market freer." This is the idea behind the comment I was originally replying to, and my argument is a response to it. Since a free market is the capitalism equivalent of a unicorn, "this isn't a true free market" type arguments are basically all No True Scotsman fallacies. I'm shutting down a common counterargument to criticism of capitalism.
If free markets don't exist, then personal freedom doesn't exist for the exact same reasons.
Yeah true; both "true" free markets and "complete" (only constrained by the Harm Rule) personal freedom are models with varying degrees of accuracy depending on the situation. Thinking of a situation as described by a free market is like ignoring air resistance; it's not a useless abstraction, but ultimately it's still an abstraction and should be treated as such.
It’s been a while since I saw it. Wasn’t it mainly Mexican cartels? Either way, he was a cop, so I’d give it a 95+% chance.
Also his wife checks some boxes.
::: spoiler Spoiler
they arrived to gun him and his partner down.
:::
That isn't to say he'd knowingly be allied with outright Neo-Nazis, but it doesn't mean his character wouldn't be a MAGA fascist.
Also, the only reason he got into conflict with the Neo-Nazis was because of Walter and the meth. Hank was DEA, his only real concern was arresting the makers of the blue meth.
Fox news is trying to make people think that higher gas prices are actually not a big deal and it just a temporary inconvenience so they support US-Irael war on Iran. If some people read this and think "yeah, higher gas prices is something we had to live with" and the go and vote R on November, that's a win for them
As Trump says, the total annihilation of global economy will make America (actually just the oil companies) a lot of money! Some trickle down to rich shareholders (if they only own oil companies).
I’m with you, I can’t really comprehend the underlying message of this.
I’m leaning towards him being pro-war because this is the price they must pay to maintain American capitalism, but then other commenters seem to have read it differently
Well he also said "Our prices are rising because of Putin’s actions,” “There isn’t enough supply. And the bottom line is if we want lower gas prices we need to have more oil supply right now.”
So still could be read either way of: support the oil war efforts or this is how fairmarket works
Hank! No! You can't criticize capitalism! That's WOKE Hank! Don't do it! Hank!!!
For context, he said this in 2022 when gas prices spiked due to Putin invading Ukraine.
https://www.the-independent.com/arts-entertainment/tv/news/breaking-bad-dean-norris-gas-prices-b2106477.html
Fox viewers probably do view him as woke, because he's critical of trump and openly supports Democrats. Or maybe they ignore him because it breaks their narrative.
But... I don't love capitalism. Capitalism fuckin' sucks.
Then you can complain about the price of gas!
It's not high enough! We need to stop subsidizing it!
Where do I get a celebrating about the price of gas pass? People always give me shit about it.
And yet you partake in modern civilization. Curious!
SMAE! I guess we have to not STFU, since...checks ntoes...breaking bad actor says so.
SMAE: Shake My Arse Even, for when SMH just isn't quite right
As you wish.
Is there actually a free market somewhere, or is it massive money printing followed by bailouts for the rich everywhere in the world?
There can't be a free market with a monopoly on violence by definition of the word "monopoly," yet a free market requires the enforcement of basic rules ("no stealing" being the most obvious). Conclusion: "Free market" is a contradiction.
First point doesn't hold together. You're relying on the reader conflating senses of "free".
How so? Under state governance businesses are forced to pay a certain entity for security (policing) and other services through taxes on pain of loss of property. This is a monopoly on essential services enforced by violence, basically the most anti-free market thing ever.
Okay devil's advocate over, serious argument here: The monopoly on violence, by definition, comes with the ability to make and enforce various rules for the operation of the market. This is tax codes, zoning laws, labor laws, tariffs, environment protection laws, IP law, etc. The ideal of the perfect free market requires that these rules to be minimalist and "fair," but that's impossible to achieve because nobody can objectively decide which rules are necessary and fair and which are not. Therefore it's always going to be possible to argue that such and such isn't a true free market because this or that rule stifles competition, ultimately tying back into the point that a true free market can't be subject to arbitrary rules and therefore is incompatible with the monopoly on violence. The two senses of "free" are identical here.
I still think that you are being overly literal for an argument ("There is no such thing as a free market") that doesn't actually get you anywhere. If free markets don't exist, then personal freedom doesn't exist for the exact same reasons. But to get there, you have to rely on the idea that "you can argue" without examining whether those arguments have any merit. Nobody takes "free" to mean "absolute freedom". It's always relative. This is a silly semantic argu... oh. This is silly. Damn it. Why didn't anyone stop me.
It does. Whenever you criticize capitalism or the free market, you invariably get a bunch of "free market enthusiasts" arguing that the problem is too much regulation and too little free market. Any time the "free market" produces brutally exploitative living conditions and colluding oligopolies, the claim is always the same: "This is corporatism, not capitalism. Government interference in the market did this. We should make the market freer." This is the idea behind the comment I was originally replying to, and my argument is a response to it. Since a free market is the capitalism equivalent of a unicorn, "this isn't a true free market" type arguments are basically all No True Scotsman fallacies. I'm shutting down a common counterargument to criticism of capitalism.
Yeah true; both "true" free markets and "complete" (only constrained by the Harm Rule) personal freedom are models with varying degrees of accuracy depending on the situation. Thinking of a situation as described by a free market is like ignoring air resistance; it's not a useless abstraction, but ultimately it's still an abstraction and should be treated as such.
Which is funny, his character would be MAGA af.
Would he? He was up against a neo-Nazi group who was working with Walt until his dying breath.
It’s been a while since I saw it. Wasn’t it mainly Mexican cartels? Either way, he was a cop, so I’d give it a 95+% chance. Also his wife checks some boxes.
They're minerals!! Marie
He was after the neo-Nazis because he was DEA and the Nazis were making meth lol. It had nothing to do with them being neo-Nazis.
right but consider his stance on mexicans and drug addicts. not much of empath
I can't remember him saying anything against Mexicans, did he? I know He loved his partner?
Pretty sure he called Spanish “bean speak”
Damn thats racist af
Oh damn, wow. That's bad.
Definitely would have voted for trump in 2016 though
Everyone that voted for Trump in 2016 voted for him in 2024 too.
I know a few who didn't. But whatever
Tbf he wasn't aware of the Neo-Nazi group until
::: spoiler Spoiler they arrived to gun him and his partner down. :::
That isn't to say he'd knowingly be allied with outright Neo-Nazis, but it doesn't mean his character wouldn't be a MAGA fascist.
Also, the only reason he got into conflict with the Neo-Nazis was because of Walter and the meth. Hank was DEA, his only real concern was arresting the makers of the blue meth.
That's a good point.
This was 2022. Full context in the article
https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/tv/news/breaking-bad-dean-norris-gas-prices-b2106477.html
No wonder Uncle Jack killed him. He's based.
Faux news thinks this is an endorsement of higher gas prices 🙄
On Fox News? What is happening?
Fox news is trying to make people think that higher gas prices are actually not a big deal and it just a temporary inconvenience so they support US-Irael war on Iran. If some people read this and think "yeah, higher gas prices is something we had to live with" and the go and vote R on November, that's a win for them
As Trump says, the total annihilation of global economy will make America (actually just the oil companies) a lot of money! Some trickle down to rich shareholders (if they only own oil companies).
That's so bass ackwards! It's more fucked up than a football bat.
americans complaining about gas prices will never be not funny
He's not wrong.
I didn't take Hank for a comrade. 🫡
Based Hank
Dean "sex gifs" Norris
I've seen him in a couple films outside ‘BB’, and both were also cop roles. Apparently it's a known thing with him:
But...but...my freedom..
based
Not sure if a dig against capitalism, or just STFU slaves!
I’m with you, I can’t really comprehend the underlying message of this.
I’m leaning towards him being pro-war because this is the price they must pay to maintain American capitalism, but then other commenters seem to have read it differently
Well he also said "Our prices are rising because of Putin’s actions,” “There isn’t enough supply. And the bottom line is if we want lower gas prices we need to have more oil supply right now.”
So still could be read either way of: support the oil war efforts or this is how fairmarket works
Made fun of small business owners iirc. I like the man.
But the American dream says I just have to hustle enough to be able to afford these prices