I don't have a horse in the race, because Linux anything is better than the alternatives but I do think its funny that this infographic says Ubuntu has pushed malware through apt, but makes no mention of the XZ backdoor for Debian
Thank you for the sources. However, from your own source Mint appears to be fine. Ubuntu, agreed, isn't worth touching but Mint seems to remove the problems with Ubuntu.
4 If you are a desktop user who values control and simplicity — consider migrating: Linux Mint, Pop!_OS, Fedora, and Debian all offer compelling alternatives without Snap's structural issues. The migration cost is real but one-time; the ongoing friction of managing Snap on Ubuntu compounds with every package and every update.
5 If you recommend distros to others — update your recommendation: Developers who previously defaulted to "just install Ubuntu" when helping friends or onboarding team members should now give this advice more thought. Linux Mint in particular offers a nearly identical user experience to Ubuntu's classic desktop with none of the Snap-related friction.
Because it's fun. Also, it lets discussion happen about the flaws and benefits of a distro. at the end of the day very few people are super serious about it.
Yes and no. Fedora is the upstream of RHEL, and like Fedora there are both workstation and server editions. The relationship is similar to RHEL being the LTS of Fedora but not quite the same. A lot of governments and enterprises that have switched to Linux for workstations are using RHEL.
It may not be home user choice, but in enterprise CAD PLM it is. Out of all the Desktop Distros, only SUSE and RHEL were supported so you had to pick one.
I'm not even talking just home use. I actually work for Red Hat. Granted I work in the public sector so what I see might be skewed, but I rarely ever see anyone use the desktop version.
Yeah, I'm sure there are segments that only use server stuff instead of workstations. I'm on the other end I only deal with desktop, as we have IT for server Stuff
Long-term support and distro-branched tool chains are a boon to the workstation too. And all of lennarts cancer has been in support of dynamic networking changes and wifi devices; no overlap with a server, but they include that shit at every turn. So obviously they're primarily geared for laptops and servers are a target of opportunity -- and their decline in stability over 3-4 distro versions just backs that up.
Hated, the new Systemd component. It replaces sudo cursing at you and occasionally discriminates some users on the system. Once every few years it revokes your admin privileges for some bogus reasons and tells other users false log readings supposed to show that you're a danger to the system.
I'm a little hesitant to use that link, wasn't there recently something about a lot of archive websites using visitors for ddos attacks or something similar?
I’m a little hesitant to use that link, wasn’t there recently something about a lot of archive websites using visitors for ddos attacks or something similar?
The link in my comment above is to archive.org, which is a very reputable organization called The Internet Archive which has been operating since 1996 and definitely would not use its visitors' browsers for ddos attacks. Here is the wikipedia article about them.
Know the difference :)
Also, btw, while the latter is older, larger, and vastly more credible, the former uses different archiving techniques which enable them to have archives of many things which the latter doesn't. So, it does continue to also be a useful tool, albeit one of last resort.
Most large tech companies have offices in Israel. Israel positioned itself as a "high-tech nation" to a huge degree, and there's tons of engineering talent here that companies rightly want to hire and capitalize on.
Whether that makes these companies "supporters" of Israel is up to your interpretation, I guess, but it's more likely to just be the smart move without any political agenda. Not to mention that they've had offices here for years and years, well before Israel's recent wars and plummeting of their international image. At that point the company already had lots of its workforce here and closing down offices would have been a shot in the leg.
Seems like the so called "Ireland-Palestine Solidarity Campaign" blocks all IPs from Israel. Hilarious considering the number of Palestinians whose only way to connect to the internet is through Israeli ISPs... Which is either most of them or a very significant number of them. Solidarity, eh?
Yeah, perhaps they did. As it happens, I wasn't using a VPN, but I do pay for one so I tried it. VPN to Germany -> site loaded. VPN to Israel -> same error. They literally just blocked the whole country using cloudflare... The country where most of the people they claim to have solidarity with live, and where presumably they'd want their message to be heard the most. Unless, maybe, it's just a propaganda site that doesn't actually care about Palestinians and instead has some other agenda? Hmmm....
Arguably had to. For too many years Misguided us policies prevented exporting software with useful encryption, arguably blocked it entirely from opensource. Among the consequences was an encryption industry n Israel suitable for opensource
he was fun to watch, cli on an overhead. after a few years constantly signing things it becomes a time waster writing out each letter. my full signature is 23 letters. no readable letters since army. kids can't read cursive anymore.
it's still "around" but its leadership and mission have changed drastically enough since IBM's purchase of RedHat to represent something completely else from what it once did and how you probably thought of it back when you paid attention to it. i'm sure if you installed it you'd find it all very familiar for a while, but eventually you'd hit something that made you go "hey wait"
spent about a week listening to this guy talk. test day given a junk, blank x86 machine, install media and a list of services to setup with about 4 hours to complete. pro tip, learn to install rhel with no gui bloat. machine was so slow i spent half the time waiting for slow hardware, cdrom to hdd copy. checked it from his laptop. got results emailed. was relieved i somehow passed. don't remember what it cost. employer paid. knew how beforehand. some people got done hours before me. no hat
Back in the day, I left Fedora and RH-based distros in general precisely because of the racist attitude of their communities and official sites towards Latin American users, including attempts at profiling on their community support channels. I guess not much has changed since then.
there's WAY too many nazis in open source. it makes me so mad. the originators of these tools and licenses believed in making tools available for everyone so that we could be the owners. but then these fucking selfish assholes don't want anything but for themselves. they contribut to Linux, sure, but not out of any desire that Linux grow or be usable for everyone, but just out of their own desire to not pay for something and then an opportunity to weild petty power over someone.
i am so sorry you experienced that. it was not an experience anyone should have to endure.
In this case, they're referring to the old-fashioned autocratic rulers of absolute monarchies, rather than the otherwise relatively harmless figureheads that constitutional monarchies bafflingly insist on still wasting vast resources on in 2026.
hmm yeah i was asking because in the context of these protests, it's important to understand precisely what is actually protested against, just for the sake of making more efficient analysis and decisions.
i think they're talking about a leader snatching up power to make themselves an all-powerful ruler. where the power comes not from a mandate of the masses but from a wet tart throwing a sword at you absolute authority.
yup. we would prefer the power of this nation to live amongst the people rather than allow it to coagulate into a single person or position. unfortunately with what amounts to actual monarchists in control of all three branches of government, we are on the backfoot.
People think the current us administration is doing a lot of awful things to a lot of people buts it’s worse that they hold themselves above the law to do it, above the limits of their power, above the checks and balances that usually prevent authoritarianism
Among the many bad stereotypes of royalty is the blatant nepotism, self-enrichment, and total disregard for their constituents. Somehow they have no shame in accepting bribes, do not even try to hide it, and no shame using their authority to establish business “deals@ for family and friends
Yeah, people often forget that most regents were at least to some extent elected. If the nobility/rich landowners didn't want a specific regent then they were thrown out and a new one was found. Usually within the same line, though. A regent rarely had absolute power. For example Denmark has had a monarchy for over 1000 years but less than 200 of those were an actual absolute monarchy. Most of the time the regent was put in check by the nobility/landowners and the church etc.
It didn't help their cause when they coincidentally came out with the "Fascist Fedora" release, and they had to decide to stop naming their releases after types of governments.
It took me a second to get it too. It's just a joke that's worded like the caption on an old fashioned 1 panel cartoon, like Far Side.
e.g. if I'd posted a picture of a man surrounded by an angry mob, he might have commented something like "in hindsight, Greg shouldn't have sold a counterfeit Mona Lisa to ALL the museums in town."
Honestly, it's a little weird that people can't identify such obvious shitposting in a meme community. This is the second time it's happened in two weeks.
You don't understand the humor of hearing about something that seems to be a coincidence, and then hearing a separate example that is overtly terrible in the same way?
No, I don't even know what you're talking about. I've engaged in this for too long already if you're not going to explain whatever the heck you were talking about. I think you're also getting downvotes because others don't know what you're talking about either.
what are you saying, what are you talking about? it feels like you're making reference to something which seems obvious to you but the rest of us don't know what you're referring
bring attention to that people on lemmy are participating in No Kings
draw a connection between the Red Hats and RedHat
personally i'd not have made the association joke since IBM, the RedHat corporation's parent company is genuinely participatory in both the Latin/Indigenous American genocide and Israel's genocide against muslims in Palestine, Lebanon, Iran, and other nearby nations, not to mention RedHat themselves have been exploiting people's labor in North Carolina and haven't done hardly anything to help the neighboring communities around their offices in Charlotte and Ashville, but i don't expect most people shitposting about Linux on Lemmy to be keyed into the real world impacts the RedHat corporation has on my friends and neighbors
Exactly, linux mint supremacy
cough debian edition cough
Why do Linux people shit talk each other for using a different distro? It makes no sense.
Because they can't handle the templeOS supremacy
All praise temple OS the holiest of the holy.
Curse USB and networking, purge that unclean heresy from your computing! Embrace the third temple!
It's (usually) all in good fun.
Anyway, we can't talk shit to anyone except each-other. No one else understands our jargon.
yeah, and besides, we're all Hannah Montanna Linux bros. GTFO if not HML
Why can't everyone just use the distro that is right for them, which is Arch?
Or Gentoo! Or LFS! Or Slackware. Or Alpine. Or NixOS. I use Arch, by the way.
Closest thing a lot of us have to team sports
Because the ubuntu edition is just sypware (thanks canonical). Linux is great, but their are good and bad choices to be made
Can you tell me more about Canonical spyware?
Its pretty well captured through this post:
https://social.ozymandias.club/post/81365
Edit: https://www.linuxteck.com/ubuntu-trust-problem-2026/
I don't have a horse in the race, because Linux anything is better than the alternatives but I do think its funny that this infographic says Ubuntu has pushed malware through apt, but makes no mention of the XZ backdoor for Debian
That wasn't specifically Debian
it ended up in a few different repos but was caught by someone using Debian Testing
Thank you for the sources. However, from your own source Mint appears to be fine. Ubuntu, agreed, isn't worth touching but Mint seems to remove the problems with Ubuntu.
None of it seems to suggest it's spyware. I agree they do bad practices but spyware? C'mon
Also linux mint(the ububtu based one) also removes snaps and everything. How can you say anything like that about mint then?
Here I am on a knoppix mini CD thinking: cant we all just be superior like me?
Because it's fun. Also, it lets discussion happen about the flaws and benefits of a distro. at the end of the day very few people are super serious about it.
because it can be fun, you emacs user :D
just like cheering for $sportsballteam
all i want it linux mint devuan edition
On the server...? Isn't RHEL used primarily on servers?
Yes and no. Fedora is the upstream of RHEL, and like Fedora there are both workstation and server editions. The relationship is similar to RHEL being the LTS of Fedora but not quite the same. A lot of governments and enterprises that have switched to Linux for workstations are using RHEL.
Almost exclusively.
There's desktop RHEL, we used to run a CAD software on RHEL or SUSE
I know there is. It's just very seldomly used.
It may not be home user choice, but in enterprise CAD PLM it is. Out of all the Desktop Distros, only SUSE and RHEL were supported so you had to pick one.
I'm not even talking just home use. I actually work for Red Hat. Granted I work in the public sector so what I see might be skewed, but I rarely ever see anyone use the desktop version.
Yeah, I'm sure there are segments that only use server stuff instead of workstations. I'm on the other end I only deal with desktop, as we have IT for server Stuff
If that counts as use of RHEL: All workstations of our institute were running CentOS.
Long-term support and distro-branched tool chains are a boon to the workstation too. And all of lennarts cancer has been in support of dynamic networking changes and wifi devices; no overlap with a server, but they include that shit at every turn. So obviously they're primarily geared for laptops and servers are a target of opportunity -- and their decline in stability over 3-4 distro versions just backs that up.
Hatred Enterprise Linux being marketed to the US gov
They would dismantle that and would do Hatred From Scratch.
Scratch might be complex for their mental age.
Hated, the new Systemd component. It replaces sudo cursing at you and occasionally discriminates some users on the system. Once every few years it revokes your admin privileges for some bogus reasons and tells other users false log readings supposed to show that you're a danger to the system.
I could absolutely believe Hated becoming an official thing.
no you are confusing that with hatED which is the new redhat AI enabled text editor
HEL
Ah. So Ubuntu
Didn't notice the community, came here hoping for a RHEL shitpost.
Got confused when there was only RHEL shitposts.
Haha, I was quite pleasantly surprised too, expecting at least someone hopping in for RHEL shitpost!
I don't think even England wants Kings
Yeah Lizzy was ok (still monarch and all that but she was like our collective grandma) but this new one is kinda bad imo.
"You're not my real grandad" vibes
This guy?
If only Cromwell hadn't been a genocidal madman who banned Christmas and music, Britain would still be a republic today.
Revolutions tend to make things worse, even when things are already pretty bad.
He did nothing wrong
Maybe Charles III will end up like his namesake Charles I
Red Hat are well known supporters of Israel right? They literally have part of their business there
https://web.archive.org/web/20240530005438/https://www.redhat.com/en/resources/israeli-defense-forces-case-study (the original is 404 now, for some reason...)
I'm a little hesitant to use that link, wasn't there recently something about a lot of archive websites using visitors for ddos attacks or something similar?
The archive site recently caught doing ddos attacks was archive.today (which also uses the domains .fo, .is, .li, .md, .ph, and .vn). This is a site run by a pseudonymous individual since 2012. Here is the wikipedia article about them.
The link in my comment above is to archive.org, which is a very reputable organization called The Internet Archive which has been operating since 1996 and definitely would not use its visitors' browsers for ddos attacks. Here is the wikipedia article about them.
Know the difference :)
Also, btw, while the latter is older, larger, and vastly more credible, the former uses different archiving techniques which enable them to have archives of many things which the latter doesn't. So, it does continue to also be a useful tool, albeit one of last resort.
That's good to know, thanks for all the info!
Most large tech companies have offices in Israel. Israel positioned itself as a "high-tech nation" to a huge degree, and there's tons of engineering talent here that companies rightly want to hire and capitalize on.
Whether that makes these companies "supporters" of Israel is up to your interpretation, I guess, but it's more likely to just be the smart move without any political agenda. Not to mention that they've had offices here for years and years, well before Israel's recent wars and plummeting of their international image. At that point the company already had lots of its workforce here and closing down offices would have been a shot in the leg.
Yes, they work closely with the IDF. There is no doubt that they are supporters of Israel.
https://www.ipsc.ie/bds/genocide-enabler-red-hat-hides-behind-webinars-amid-mounting-boycott-campaign
Link won't open for me :/
Hmm that's strange. Vpn perhaps?
Seems like the so called "Ireland-Palestine Solidarity Campaign" blocks all IPs from Israel. Hilarious considering the number of Palestinians whose only way to connect to the internet is through Israeli ISPs... Which is either most of them or a very significant number of them. Solidarity, eh?
Yeah, if I use one it might work, but why would a site block me in the first place? It's not something a legitimate news site usually does...
I think the suggestion was that it could be blocked if you were using VPN to access it,.not that it would need a VPN.
Yeah, perhaps they did. As it happens, I wasn't using a VPN, but I do pay for one so I tried it. VPN to Germany -> site loaded. VPN to Israel -> same error. They literally just blocked the whole country using cloudflare... The country where most of the people they claim to have solidarity with live, and where presumably they'd want their message to be heard the most. Unless, maybe, it's just a propaganda site that doesn't actually care about Palestinians and instead has some other agenda? Hmmm....
Arguably had to. For too many years Misguided us policies prevented exporting software with useful encryption, arguably blocked it entirely from opensource. Among the consequences was an encryption industry n Israel suitable for opensource
Not me, I use Arch.
;)
Waka waka!
Nor me, I use OpenSUSE Tumbleweed
evil laughter
I, as a Debian boy, respect Arch as a fellow community-held distro.
checks out.
That signature is crazy, it looks like they have like ten underscores as part of their last name
he was fun to watch, cli on an overhead. after a few years constantly signing things it becomes a time waster writing out each letter. my full signature is 23 letters. no readable letters since army. kids can't read cursive anymore.
Tbf, being a certified hatred engineer sounds pretty badass, if not necessarily admirable 😁
is centos still around? jumped on ubuntu to escape rpm corruption. don't care to know anymore. shutdown -h now; not in the menu? wtf
it's still "around" but its leadership and mission have changed drastically enough since IBM's purchase of RedHat to represent something completely else from what it once did and how you probably thought of it back when you paid attention to it. i'm sure if you installed it you'd find it all very familiar for a while, but eventually you'd hit something that made you go "hey wait"
replaced an IBM mainframe with a rack of linux DB2 and app servers. they wanted a cert to keep legal happy. a week paid vacation for the cert.
Centos exists as centos stream, which serves as upstream to RHEL and is downstream from fedora. For something like old centos, theres rocky
How do you get that? Is there a quizz and do you get the hat?
some professor gave me a windup bauble walking hat.
desk junk pile
favorite wall cartoon around same cubical;
Yeah, redhat does certifications. Unfortunately you don't get a hat afaik :(
Its a ton of work, like years and years of study and tests.
maybe from scratch. i started on Slackware in 1995 and had experience. this was a week class in a hotel conference room.
spent about a week listening to this guy talk. test day given a junk, blank x86 machine, install media and a list of services to setup with about 4 hours to complete. pro tip, learn to install rhel with no gui bloat. machine was so slow i spent half the time waiting for slow hardware, cdrom to hdd copy. checked it from his laptop. got results emailed. was relieved i somehow passed. don't remember what it cost. employer paid. knew how beforehand. some people got done hours before me. no hat
scrutiny intensifies
Good thing Hatred doesn't spell Fedora
Actually the Apple falls not far from the tree. Fedora's racism is why I left RH-based distros.
An anagram of Fedora, however, is Ford EA, two awful companies.
One of which was founded by a fascist, the other mainly existing to perfect enshittification of computer games.
You can't spell Methwhore without mother
The first time I heard of red hat, all I could think of was these
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redcap
They’d be so offended if they could spell
Fun thing.
Back in the day, I left Fedora and RH-based distros in general precisely because of the racist attitude of their communities and official sites towards Latin American users, including attempts at profiling on their community support channels. I guess not much has changed since then.
there's WAY too many nazis in open source. it makes me so mad. the originators of these tools and licenses believed in making tools available for everyone so that we could be the owners. but then these fucking selfish assholes don't want anything but for themselves. they contribut to Linux, sure, but not out of any desire that Linux grow or be usable for everyone, but just out of their own desire to not pay for something and then an opportunity to weild petty power over someone.
i am so sorry you experienced that. it was not an experience anyone should have to endure.
I'm okay with this, Redhat has always sucked.
just remember redhat is also at fault for pulseaudio and systemd xD
Kanye No: Red Hat
Kanye Yes: Red Hat Linux
Red Hat / IBM have contracts with the Israeli military so yes
Nice partyhat.
What is even meant by "king"? What's the definition?
In this case, they're referring to the old-fashioned autocratic rulers of absolute monarchies, rather than the otherwise relatively harmless figureheads that constitutional monarchies bafflingly insist on still wasting vast resources on in 2026.
Ruler of a region.
hmm yeah i was asking because in the context of these protests, it's important to understand precisely what is actually protested against, just for the sake of making more efficient analysis and decisions.
i think they're talking about a leader snatching up power to make themselves an all-powerful ruler. where the power comes not from a mandate of the masses but from
a wet tart throwing a sword at youabsolute authority.hmm ok so it's about the rule of the law that people want upheld.
yup. we would prefer the power of this nation to live amongst the people rather than allow it to coagulate into a single person or position. unfortunately with what amounts to actual monarchists in control of all three branches of government, we are on the backfoot.
People think the current us administration is doing a lot of awful things to a lot of people buts it’s worse that they hold themselves above the law to do it, above the limits of their power, above the checks and balances that usually prevent authoritarianism
Among the many bad stereotypes of royalty is the blatant nepotism, self-enrichment, and total disregard for their constituents. Somehow they have no shame in accepting bribes, do not even try to hide it, and no shame using their authority to establish business “deals@ for family and friends
Leadership by patriarchal lineage.
Not necessarily. Plenty of kings were elected by the nobility.
Though their existence in the nobility was often through birth, Andorra has an elected prince from the general population.
I was speaking in the context of these protests.
yeah german had that concept by the way. it's interesting to look at history and how stuff was done in earlier times
germany at some time had a king that was elected by the 7 most influential local landlords. they met and elected a king.
Yeah, people often forget that most regents were at least to some extent elected. If the nobility/rich landowners didn't want a specific regent then they were thrown out and a new one was found. Usually within the same line, though. A regent rarely had absolute power. For example Denmark has had a monarchy for over 1000 years but less than 200 of those were an actual absolute monarchy. Most of the time the regent was put in check by the nobility/landowners and the church etc.
UK is hereditary without being patrilineal nowadays
Authoritarianism - it doesn't roll of the tongue though as you can see
Oh so you're telling me a king wrote this book? (/hj)
Looks like George Soros is handing out money again 😅
One of these days lol
Instead of wasting money on children in need he can pay me to do the protests we do for free now
oh goodie, politics in my linux feed
So this is how I find out I'm colorblind. My cat says rstisyitsixiidplxtltuxrpuzrlugkzulxlyxky
americans doing their sunday walk with edgy signs again?
I wonder how long their government can withstand this.
saw this same sign today, thought it was ridiculous! yes you can! where did the red come from?
It didn't help their cause when they coincidentally came out with the "Fascist Fedora" release, and they had to decide to stop naming their releases after types of governments.
What?
It took me a second to get it too. It's just a joke that's worded like the caption on an old fashioned 1 panel cartoon, like Far Side.
e.g. if I'd posted a picture of a man surrounded by an angry mob, he might have commented something like "in hindsight, Greg shouldn't have sold a counterfeit Mona Lisa to ALL the museums in town."
That would make a much better explanation than anything the commenter has said.
Honestly, it's a little weird that people can't identify such obvious shitposting in a meme community. This is the second time it's happened in two weeks.
What are you talking about Fascist Fedora? Everyone else seems to be having fun with the post because it is a shitpost.
You don't understand the humor of hearing about something that seems to be a coincidence, and then hearing a separate example that is overtly terrible in the same way?
No, I don't even know what you're talking about. I've engaged in this for too long already if you're not going to explain whatever the heck you were talking about. I think you're also getting downvotes because others don't know what you're talking about either.
I literally just explained it to you. I'm not being cagey. I think you must be used to not getting jokes, so I'm not sure why you're blaming me.
I would say based on the votes nobody knows what you're talking about. But yeah, go ahead and be condescending for some reason. Enjoy it I guess.
what are you saying, what are you talking about? it feels like you're making reference to something which seems obvious to you but the rest of us don't know what you're referring
Okay, I'll explain it to you, but only if you play along.
Explain to me what is the purpose of OP's post, with the protest sign at the no kings protest.
personally i'd not have made the association joke since IBM, the RedHat corporation's parent company is genuinely participatory in both the Latin/Indigenous American genocide and Israel's genocide against muslims in Palestine, Lebanon, Iran, and other nearby nations, not to mention RedHat themselves have been exploiting people's labor in North Carolina and haven't done hardly anything to help the neighboring communities around their offices in Charlotte and Ashville, but i don't expect most people shitposting about Linux on Lemmy to be keyed into the real world impacts the RedHat corporation has on my friends and neighbors