Sorry everyone, I opened a new branch off the 2003 release while I was researching some of the bugs in the legacy code. That wasn't supposed to get merged in...
yep, the bug triggers when a political party overflows its buffer. The funny thing is, the system still catches the error and spams the logs with FATAL error messages, but the system has been throwing them for so long and seems to still be chugging along so we kind of ignore them. One of the original devs made a comment about how someone should fix it right before leaving the team. Anyway, the effect tends to accumulate, so if you deploy it to prod and don't fix it, eventually you get... this.
Trying, I'm stuck on a bridge with some of the seniors right now. One of them wants to "just push through and see what happens" and roll forward with the change, the other one disapproves but clearly has no idea what else to do. Nobody seems to want to even propose a plan because then they'd be on the hook for it, so we just keep going back and forth and not. ending. the call.
It's related. All over the codebase different devs have put in catches for it, but often as not instead of handling it they just wrap it in a new warning, dump it to the log, and move on. Dwight wanted to decouple those modules, correctly, but he didn't know how because the reason they're coupled in the first place is because we didn't handle this problem correctly in the initial design, so he slapped a warning on it and called it good enough. Every once in a while some hotshot dev comes in with a proposal that exploits it (and introduces tons of technical debt that we don't see because we don't measure it) and because it looks good for the shareholders the PR gets approved and merged. If they're lucky then they get promoted out of development, or occasionally fired, but in either case the problem in the code gets exacerbated and never really fixed.
This just further confirms that the world simulation actually did break from the y2k bug. We fixed the bug in here, but no one fixed the simulation. The cascade failure has just been spreading out of control since then. Now we have recursion errors! The sim tried to restart but it's all corrupt lol.
I think the root problem lies in some of the really gnarly, pre-1.0 code that we are afraid to touch because it might break something, that's why it keeps cropping up even though we keep slapping patches pell-mell on top of it. It just happened to pop out pretty bad in 03.
This is why I've been arguing against rebase merges. If we aren't super careful with older branches, we end up with messes like this.
Maybe just squash and merge in the future?
I don't know, this whole situation could have been avoided if people would just check with the team before merging stuff. I think people see revisions from old releases so they just merge them because they "worked before" so they should work now. It doesn't work for the current userbase, frankly it didn't work all that well for most users back when it was released the first time. Just merging any old crap straight into main without reading it so they can brag about how many PRs they close.
As usual, policy and procedures without properly defined controls burn us.
Honestly, why did we even go through that whole re-org after the WW2 outage if we're not actually going to adhere to our own policies?
TV wise, providers still fight hard for Friends and Seinfeld. I still see teenagers slapping on Nirvana shirts. My clothes from back then still fit and are intact and a kid at my kids school asked me where I got my clothes because they wanted some just like them.
they didn't fit for many years and then I lost a bunch of weight
I'm in the same boat!
I now regret throwing out my size L or XL Simpsons t-shirts from the 90s as I'm likely to be able to fit them again some time this year or next after having ballooned all the way up to 7XL or 8XL at my most humongous lol
OK, but no more than stuff from other decades. Are you really claiming that there have been waves of retro focused content to the same degree as 80s dance parties, 80s aesthetic revival games and music, etc for the 90s? Kool and the Gang's "celebration" is in every animated film and advert, it doesn't mean the 70s retro scene is a cultural tour de force that is going strong and infiltrating every cultural touchstone. (god fucking damnit, that song came out in 1980 IDFK, provide your own example of an overused 70s song)
well nothing ever fucking left, it's called object permanence. Stoners have put posters of Pink Floyd's "Dark Side of The Moon" and pretentious assholes* have listened to Bach since they existed. "Retro waves" are when these things become more significant than their usual levels of cultural impact and human ritual.
I think in some respects, the 'decade' culture breaks had a run from 1910 to early 90s, and less so now.
Before radio and television, culture just didn't change fast and far enough to really get that sort of clear delineation going.
Then with radio and television, cultural content spread instantly, but broadcast nature had relatively small number of people curating the media everyone got. So folks had a very common frame of reference. Broadly speaking each decade had pretty clear cultural features, but at any time the previous and current decades felt credibly 'modern'.
In the late 2000s, while the 90s were still 'current', streaming basically started to break the 'everyone gets the same stuff' experience of broadcast media. So meme's would crop up and provide some of it, but nowadays the bulk of online experience varies much more person to person minimizing that common frame of reference. So for example, Weird Al has stated that it's much harder to identify good songs to do than back in the broadcast era, since things are more splintered now.
Or maybe it's something about no one accepting the genx and millenials getting 'old'. In the 80s, the 60s were the 'oldies', and the closest we've come since then is to dare to call the 70s 'classic'.
I'd say the retro styled games tend to actually target the 90s, which was the peak of pixel art capability before people started doing the 3D stuff. They don't usually target 90s 3D (because it sucked) though you do have examples like DUSK replicating that Quake I ascetic. Undertale could credibly be considered 80s looking, but most of the retro games would at least need Genesis or SNES to credibly look like they do.
80s was all about strong colors and synthetic music, but by the 90s culture had largely gotten over it and sure, you can recognize 90s hair at a glance still, but day to day clothes and music are, stylistically, persisting, at least insofar as specific styles are persisting among the mix of many many things.
2003? Ok, peeps, in about 13 years time there's going to be an issue at a zoo. DO NOT LET ANYONE KILL HARAMBE!
We must not go on that timeline again!!!
It's decent. Not having Ted and Janitor means we won't get all those incredible throwaway scenes and downbeats which really elevate the original run from good to great.
It's not. That was the 90s, early 2000s were full of just super trashy looks and women acting dumb due to overt misogyny being a cornerstone of most popular media at the time.
Yup, it's still good, most of the OG staff (both voice and writing) is back except of course for the dead people. The changed voices are Dale, Ted Wassonassong, Kahn, and we'll see about John Redcorn (passed after next season was already recorded, iirc, so season 16 is the first since his death..I think). The animation is more modern because the old techniques are now long dead. They did not address Luanne and Lucky, but I hope they will in S15. And they have already been renewed for S16 and S17, S15 is already in the can awaiting release this year. 15ish years (in the show) have passed since S13 ended.
It’s worth noting that the actor for John Redcorn didn’t just pass, he was murdered in a hate crime by a white supremacist and then the Texas cops buried the case.
Sigfredo Ceja Alvarez, the man who shot him, had his pre-trial last month and has a new court date (which I just tried to find but couldn't yet) is set for the future, so the case is going forward.
Well "hate crimes" in texas isn't a separate charge, it'd be tacked on if the prosecution feels they can prove it, but he's charged with 1st degree murder.
Except we invaded Iraq with years of preparation and a decade-long no-fly zone to chip away at them. We are going into this one with a pants around our ankles.
It's gonna be another Iraq/Afghanistan because it's meant to be. Oil, military industrial complex, oil, conservatives know and are ok with an oil invasion. I live in KY. Trump can do no wrong in the moron belt.
"Almost 20 years after the end of the original series, Malcolm now lives a happy life with his daughter Leah and girlfriend Tristan, having distanced himself from his birth family. He is forced to bring them into the family's chaos when his parents Hal and Lois demand his presence for their 40th wedding anniversary party." source
Sorry everyone, I opened a new branch off the
2003release while I was researching some of the bugs in the legacy code. That wasn't supposed to get merged in...But you made it worse!
yep, the bug triggers when a political party overflows its buffer. The funny thing is, the system still catches the error and spams the logs with
FATALerror messages, but the system has been throwing them for so long and seems to still be chugging along so we kind of ignore them. One of the original devs made a comment about how someone should fix it right before leaving the team. Anyway, the effect tends to accumulate, so if you deploy it to prod and don't fix it, eventually you get... this.My bad.
Fix it Fix it Fix it Fix it!
(I tried to find the Futurama meme of that, but my phone said No)
Trying, I'm stuck on a bridge with some of the seniors right now. One of them wants to "just push through and see what happens" and roll forward with the change, the other one disapproves but clearly has no idea what else to do. Nobody seems to want to even propose a plan because then they'd be on the hook for it, so we just keep going back and forth and not. ending. the call.
wait, this is the log Dwight wrote that keeps spamming "military industrial complex"?
It's related. All over the codebase different devs have put in catches for it, but often as not instead of handling it they just wrap it in a new warning, dump it to the log, and move on. Dwight wanted to decouple those modules, correctly, but he didn't know how because the reason they're coupled in the first place is because we didn't handle this problem correctly in the initial design, so he slapped a warning on it and called it good enough. Every once in a while some hotshot dev comes in with a proposal that exploits it (and introduces tons of technical debt that we don't see because we don't measure it) and because it looks good for the shareholders the PR gets approved and merged. If they're lucky then they get promoted out of development, or occasionally fired, but in either case the problem in the code gets exacerbated and never really fixed.
https://gifs.cackhanded.net/invader-zim/the-nightmare-begins/worse-or-better.gif
This just further confirms that the world simulation actually did break from the y2k bug. We fixed the bug in here, but no one fixed the simulation. The cascade failure has just been spreading out of control since then. Now we have recursion errors! The sim tried to restart but it's all corrupt lol.
I think the root problem lies in some of the really gnarly, pre-1.0 code that we are afraid to touch because it might break something, that's why it keeps cropping up even though we keep slapping patches pell-mell on top of it. It just happened to pop out pretty bad in 03.
Ugh, just tell me you didn't pull
maininto your working branch again, instead of rebasing. We talked about this.This is why I've been arguing against rebase merges. If we aren't super careful with older branches, we end up with messes like this. Maybe just squash and merge in the future?
I don't know, this whole situation could have been avoided if people would just check with the team before merging stuff. I think people see revisions from old releases so they just merge them because they "worked before" so they should work now. It doesn't work for the current userbase, frankly it didn't work all that well for most users back when it was released the first time. Just merging any old crap straight into main without reading it so they can brag about how many PRs they close.
As usual, policy and procedures without properly defined controls burn us. Honestly, why did we even go through that whole re-org after the WW2 outage if we're not actually going to adhere to our own policies?
Jumanji was released 7 years ago. Both times!
Wow jeeze. Time really is cyclical. Let's go forward until dinosaurs are back.
We are working on this. See global warming
we are likely to hit a new carboniferous period.
It's going to suck for us, but rule for plants... and musically.
Hell yeah, another distortion and harsh sax enjoyer
Birds: yay wings saving us once again
We're working toward the series finale of Dinosaurs.
20 year retro rule strikes again.
RIP 90s retro, you didn't even get to exist because of the fucking 80s overstaying their already tired ass dead eyed bullshit
90s just never really left.
TV wise, providers still fight hard for Friends and Seinfeld. I still see teenagers slapping on Nirvana shirts. My clothes from back then still fit and are intact and a kid at my kids school asked me where I got my clothes because they wanted some just like them.
#SubtleBrag
#FormerNaturist?
Well, they didn't fit for many years and then I lost a bunch of weight and could wear them again, so they just mostly survived a closet..
I'm in the same boat!
I now regret throwing out my size L or XL Simpsons t-shirts from the 90s as I'm likely to be able to fit them again some time this year or next after having ballooned all the way up to 7XL or 8XL at my most humongous lol
OK, but no more than stuff from other decades. Are you really claiming that there have been waves of retro focused content to the same degree as 80s dance parties, 80s aesthetic revival games and music, etc for the 90s? Kool and the Gang's "celebration" is in every animated film and advert, it doesn't mean the 70s retro scene is a cultural tour de force that is going strong and infiltrating every cultural touchstone. (god fucking damnit, that song came out in 1980 IDFK, provide your own example of an overused 70s song)
I think they are claiming there are no waves because it doesn't need it, the 90s never really left
well nothing ever fucking left, it's called object permanence. Stoners have put posters of Pink Floyd's "Dark Side of The Moon" and pretentious assholes* have listened to Bach since they existed. "Retro waves" are when these things become more significant than their usual levels of cultural impact and human ritual.
*I include myself in this group, Bach kicks ass.
Do you know why Mozart killed all his chickens?
Because they all went “BACH BACH, BACH BACH!”
Thank you, I’ll be here all week!
baroque for life my brother, it never really left, now it lives on every progrock band and 80s videogame composer
If we're doing 2000s nostalgia, I guess hip hugger bell bottoms and translucent plastic is gonna be trendy?
Judging by my teenager’s friends, it’s back
low rise pants or see through electronics?
Low rise pants and translucent plastic accessories
I think in some respects, the 'decade' culture breaks had a run from 1910 to early 90s, and less so now.
Before radio and television, culture just didn't change fast and far enough to really get that sort of clear delineation going.
Then with radio and television, cultural content spread instantly, but broadcast nature had relatively small number of people curating the media everyone got. So folks had a very common frame of reference. Broadly speaking each decade had pretty clear cultural features, but at any time the previous and current decades felt credibly 'modern'.
In the late 2000s, while the 90s were still 'current', streaming basically started to break the 'everyone gets the same stuff' experience of broadcast media. So meme's would crop up and provide some of it, but nowadays the bulk of online experience varies much more person to person minimizing that common frame of reference. So for example, Weird Al has stated that it's much harder to identify good songs to do than back in the broadcast era, since things are more splintered now.
Or maybe it's something about no one accepting the genx and millenials getting 'old'. In the 80s, the 60s were the 'oldies', and the closest we've come since then is to dare to call the 70s 'classic'.
I'd say the retro styled games tend to actually target the 90s, which was the peak of pixel art capability before people started doing the 3D stuff. They don't usually target 90s 3D (because it sucked) though you do have examples like DUSK replicating that Quake I ascetic. Undertale could credibly be considered 80s looking, but most of the retro games would at least need Genesis or SNES to credibly look like they do.
80s was all about strong colors and synthetic music, but by the 90s culture had largely gotten over it and sure, you can recognize 90s hair at a glance still, but day to day clothes and music are, stylistically, persisting, at least insofar as specific styles are persisting among the mix of many many things.
That's all fine. Just as long as parachute pants don't come back.
You know what time it is...
the dream of the 90s is alive in portland
Except this time around we are rounding up people and putting them in camps.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guantanamo_Bay_Naval_Base (among others)
Except this time around we are rounding up
peopleAmericans and immigrants and putting them in camps.Always have been
Pokémon FireRed and LeafGreen just released
*re-released
Yes, please! That's all I need...
2003? Ok, peeps, in about 13 years time there's going to be an issue at a zoo. DO NOT LET ANYONE KILL HARAMBE!
We must not go on that timeline again!!!
Diablo II also!
Whats my age again?
I said I was the cops
Well I guess this is growing up
...There's new episodes of Scrubs? 😳
and it's good
Raises the pirate flag furiously
Yo ho
It's decent. Not having Ted and Janitor means we won't get all those incredible throwaway scenes and downbeats which really elevate the original run from good to great.
Not having Ted is an upgrade
Are Metallica gonna release a godawful album with shit production quality?
did they ever stop?
No they are going to sue someone.
...Are they involved in that big IP lawsuit against the ai companies?
Napster BAD
You'd think they would have something to say about AI.
Just missing
Heroin chics are also back via ozempic from a bit earlier
Wait is this heroin chic? I would think she is
too curvynot skinny enough for that.If I can't see her ribcage it's not heroin chic.
It's not. That was the 90s, early 2000s were full of just super trashy looks and women acting dumb due to overt misogyny being a cornerstone of most popular media at the time.
Sabrina Carpenter tho
Me, in my infinite wisdom, seeing "Blender" and thinking to myself "Why is there no mention of 3D graphics anywhere?"
So, corporate is relying on AI for creativity and as such, the only option remaining is to reboot old successes.
don't blame analog slop on serverside bubble slop
They were already doing that before AI.
Wait there’s new King of the Hill?
Yup, it's still good, most of the OG staff (both voice and writing) is back except of course for the dead people. The changed voices are Dale, Ted Wassonassong, Kahn, and we'll see about John Redcorn (passed after next season was already recorded, iirc, so season 16 is the first since his death..I think). The animation is more modern because the old techniques are now long dead. They did not address Luanne and Lucky, but I hope they will in S15. And they have already been renewed for S16 and S17, S15 is already in the can awaiting release this year. 15ish years (in the show) have passed since S13 ended.
I recommend it.
It’s worth noting that the actor for John Redcorn didn’t just pass, he was murdered in a hate crime by a white supremacist and then the Texas cops buried the case.
Sigfredo Ceja Alvarez, the man who shot him, had his pre-trial last month and has a new court date (which I just tried to find but couldn't yet) is set for the future, so the case is going forward.
Thanks seemingly to the guys celebrity status. Otherwise it would have likely stayed buried.
For manslaughter or hate crimes?
Well "hate crimes" in texas isn't a separate charge, it'd be tacked on if the prosecution feels they can prove it, but he's charged with 1st degree murder.
Wait are you saying they actually aged the characters 15 years? So Bobby is grown up?
Yeah, he is head chef at a restaraunt in (iirc) Dallas.
Wow that’s nuts. I might have to check that out.
It's actually good. Do it.
Here’s the trailer!
https://youtu.be/GleTI7jDWOs
Yep, Hank and Peggy move back to modern Arlen after a long time working for Strickland abroad. By all accounts its still good!
Yo. It's legit the best thing released in the past year.
President George Bush the 3rd
And Buffy is in talks.
Except we invaded Iraq with years of preparation and a decade-long no-fly zone to chip away at them. We are going into this one with a pants around our ankles.
It's gonna be another Iraq/Afghanistan because it's meant to be. Oil, military industrial complex, oil, conservatives know and are ok with an oil invasion. I live in KY. Trump can do no wrong in the moron belt.
Iraq and Afghanistan were planned wars with lots of preparation and competent leadership. This is going to be something else entirely.
First time as tragedy, second time as farce
just a shitty corporate reboot of 2003
Hey, did you see that episode of South Park a few months ago? Super funny.
I can't do this all on my own...
I gotta buy some Apple stocks
Thanks for reminding me I sold AAPL . . . in 2006.
And the new KOTH episodes fucking slap.
I was on the verge of discovering Linkin Park and having my life change forever.
How would you reboot MITM?
Is everyone old or you just recast everyone? Either way I can’t see it working. That or they use AI which would also be terrible.
"Almost 20 years after the end of the original series, Malcolm now lives a happy life with his daughter Leah and girlfriend Tristan, having distanced himself from his birth family. He is forced to bring them into the family's chaos when his parents Hal and Lois demand his presence for their 40th wedding anniversary party." source
and it is only a miniseries, 4 episodes long, more like a TV reunion special than a reboot
It's only 4 episodes and includes the original cast members showing Malcom as an adult.
It's a different Dewey, sadly. I think the original kid quit acting
23 years after 2003...
At least in 2003, more people knew where to use apostrophes in their sentences.