Trump reacts to dead service members by boasting he got a 'great deal' for their lives
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Normally this would end a Presidency within days of making remarks like that.
Nothing about this is normal.
Don't let them normalize this shit.
Join the next general strike or you'll be the next victim he can brag about or blame you for being a terrorist.
I'll join the general strike that lasts for more than a day
You'll need to settle for 2 hours on a random Saturday
Don’t forget to bring your memeable sign! Remember, protesting is about showing what a clever and good person you are! I hope you have great weather for your parade!
Make sure you stay in your designated out of the way corner and clean up after yourselves so that people don't even know you were there!
I mean, join the one that lasts a day, too.
They shouldn’t call them that. It’s just a walk out. Maybe it’s OK to call it a dress rehearsal or practice run but the point would be to test community support mechanisms and get the word out, not to “put the corpos on notice” or lend virtue to someone’s extra personal day. The truth is it’s not much of a stress test if it’s just 1 day. Also it’s crying wolf. General strikes should damage the economy and an extra snow day just doesn’t. It fails that goal even if it feels nice to say they participated in a “general strike.”
But the more insidious problem is one of logistics, tactics, and reserves.
With protests, there’s often rotating participation so overall support/resource/attention burnout isn’t a brick wall issue. People generally know how many protest days they have to give up front and using them up just means they’ll need to be replaced by another protestor. The point is showing up if you can.
But “1-day general strikes” steal actual person-days from the real general strike (a protracted war of attrition between workers and the economy where the workers hurt themselves to hurt their enemy). Meaning, it actually helps corporations not just by dis-carding useable cards in our deck prematurely_and_ revealing to the opponent our possible hands, it also subtracts drawable cards from our reserves since each of those person-days eventually must be borne by mutual support networks later on.
“1-day General Strikes” are not general strikes!
People are strengthened by working together and organizing community action at any scale, not weakened.
I agree, but they should be active days, to get people plugged in, motivated, and should not be confused with general strike especially since a bunch of people already mistake general strikes as “boycotting work.” But everything I read says that’s a mistake, because those people end up scabs since they were allowed to think it was another paid holiday.
Maybe local labor unions (who broadly supported the general strike) and community organizations know more about the situation and appropriate response there than either of us 🤷♂️
Yeah those old heads are the ones whose stuff I’ve been reading. But general strike vets are not the ones spinning up these 1-day strikes AFAIK. Feel free to share though.
Most I’ve seen are college students sharing motivational posters Grok made them for the 1-day general strike they wanted to have the Friday before spring break. They’re hyper localized and largely meaningless campus-level social events, not adding stable nodes to the resistance network. (But I’m sure there are others more mindful than that.)
My complaint is simply that my peers don’t try harder to understand the fucking assignment, or ask the experienced, before they Leroy Jenkins.
No.
Organized community action that accomplishes nothing emboldens fascists who increasingly realize you pose no threat to them.
Sure, but if the only "working together" is to just whine "I don't like this", that's not really worth the effort is it?
Strength for the people is only really useful when it's used to act.
One atrocity can dissolve a government. But one atrocity every day can keep even the most hated and incompetent leader in power for a long time. While we‘re busy processing what has happened yesterday he already committed another unforgivable crime. And it goes on and on and on. He simply overwhelms the people with atrocities to the point everyone fights their own battle and debates which of the many crimes is worse and needs to be addressed.
That's been his style of political discourse forthis entire run. It's a neverending fountain of shit with some of it sticking to the wall.
The head of the snake, and whatnot...
He still had vets and current military vote for him. After. He called them suckers and losers.
That info didn't make it into their NewsMax/Facebook filter bubble. Even if it did manage to slip through via a relative or a coworker, it would have been too late, "fake news" or about those other people.
Exactly. People really underestimate the conservative
newsbubble.If you still support someone after they call you a sucker and loser, they might be right about you being a sucker....
maybe he was onto something
Yeah Trump has amiably shown what political commentators have said for decades, the US-system is too easily exploited by the executive concentrating power and removing the safeguards other countries have in their setups.
The only way to stop it from normalizing is by stopping it from happening. People can't negate the normalizing process by sheer will.
Resist and unsubscribe, if everyone did what they could, might be more effective.
Also, go tax exempt.
Even black mirror author ran out of ideas, and the onion articles seems like ordinary life now.
Surely another protest and a strongly worded letter will set him right.
People over there should skip the "maybe he'll blame me as a terrorist" fear, he's doing that anyway, and just jump right to the action of clean-up. French-style.
Can you point to more than a single instance where when a controversy ended a presidency?
It was already normalized.
What's not normal is that this guy doesn't pretend to care about the people he gets killed. It's fairly normal otherwise, but there is an aesthetic difference, and since America is full of aesthetes the difference seems very large indeed.
In other words, we're in the "so rude, no lube" era.
Nowhere is this made more apparent than in Schumer's statement about the war. He is basically saying "I would've gotten on board with bombing Iran, but you have to shmooze me first!".
Fuck that draft dodger. He should send his kid to die over there.
No he should go there in person.
ICE Apes should be dispatched to assist our Freedom Fighters in Iran. Put them right up front, where the action is. They love that shit.
Send in...the Gravy Seals.
With meal team 6 at the head!
"You ever fired a blaster at a living target?"
"Hahaha! All the time! I was the top womp rat hunter in my unit."
"No, I mean a sentient being. Something that could shoot back."
"No, I guess I never have."
"You must be joking. How long has it been since you graduated?"
"Over a year."
"What have you been doing all this time, looking the other way?"
-Jedi Outcast Stormtrooper/Officer conversation
JK2 Jedi Outcast was criminally underrated.
Same same.
What a fucking piece of shit
"We expect casualties with something like this," [Donald Trump] said. "We have three, but we expect casualties - but in the end it's going to be a great deal for the world."
So, follow me on this. Iraq’s population was actually initially happy saddam had been deposed. And that turned into a $16T, 15 year, million life quagmire. And Iraq is still a weak, uncooperative country. I can’t imagine taking over Iran, a country that hates us and accepts its leadership, with weapons systems orders of magnitude greater in number, and far more modern equipment.
There can be no good deal for the world. I feel like I’m listening to a car salesman, but he’s the president. He’s literally bribing the military industrial complex to keep himself in power post-term and selling it as a good thing. Uuuuugh.
That's all this asshole ever was and ever will be, really. Guy made shitty real estate deals as a nepobaby failson and had a very big mouth. That's pretty much all he is.
Most of the people in NYC, and probably most of the people on the Eastern seaboard, tended to know who he was even by the early 90s. If they paid even the least bit of attention. But that stupid gameshow and that dumb book gave a whole lot of idiots the idea that he was really something more and somehow worthy of giving any power.
This is it, 100% perfect. He was the poster boy for the blowhard business loser. By the early 90s, the NY times was reporting on investigations into money laundering schemes with Russian Oligarchs/mobsters.
His bank was Deutsche Bank, which was dubbed "the world's dirtiest bank" when investigations showed that their customers included corrupt business executives, dictators, terrorists, cartels, etc. He was traveling in rough circles by then, and it was well-known. His FBI file must have filled an entire cabinet, and that was in the early 90s.
So imagine Comey's and the FBI's reaction, years later, when this known criminal was getting closer and closer to the White House, and they see all that's going on with Russia and such? Trump has always characterized their investigations into him as spying, but they were doing exactly what they were supposed to do - investigate threats to national security.
He bankrupted a casino TWICE.
Well if your goal is laundering money and not making a profit, it makes sense. Usually you do both at the same time though because casinos basically print money. Which just proves even more how stupid he is honestly.
Accepts their leadership with a gun to their head you mean?
Some yes, some no. They’re still a theocracy by popular decision, in spite of changing demographics. Last I checked, 60% happy, 40% unhappy
Not like the theocracy isn't the fault of the US too.
Iran democratically elected Mohammad Mosaddegh who wanted to nationalize Iran's own oil. In response the CIA and MI6 instigated a coup, installing Shah Reza Pahlavi, who then so much terrorized his own people that they had to rally behind religious extremist Ruhollah Khomeini to get rid of the Shah...
He's always taken advantage of greedy people. Its his super power, and he's got plenty of greedy people in America. The greedy people are okay with it because its what they would do if they had as much power as Trump.
Is there a betting pool on his Executive Order for a Draft? When there is, I got January 2027, right after the election, and after Christmas. You don't want this being the topic of discussion during the family get-togethers. Surprise them in the New Year.
Also, lots of loopholes for wealthy kids.
How Americans aren't storming the white house or Mar A Lago at this point with a bunch of guns is beyond me.
I'm not trying to be demeaning, this isn't a rhetorical question. Seriously, what sort of logistical miracle would it take for this? America is fucking huge and that would take organization and I have no ideas.
I'm beyond hope for peaceful OR violent change. The only future I'm seeing is collapse and the subsequent corporate cyberpunk nightmare that will devour what remains.
They had no problem on jan 6.
Well the president organized an insurrection.
They had someone plan the date for them. The DNC won't even plan something more than brunch.
What America needs is a leader to fight the government. Someone like Mark Kelly
I think we will see many middling nations appear after America breaks up, eventually resulting in all the smaller ones getting gobbled up. Mexico, Canada, New York, and California would probably be rival nations after awhile.
First, small groups of armed militias need to form at a local level. Then they would need to communicate and organize to travel on a certain date and just show up.
Are you recommending that all of the disgruntled Magas commit suicide by secret service?
Armed man shot and killed after entering Mar-a-Lago secure perimeter, Secret Service says
precisely that. krasnov won't learn his lesson unless you die at him. so go do that maybe.
They still think the same strategy that supposedly helped Obama to beat Mitt Romney ("they go low, we go high") will also beat Trump.
I was told this was what they needed guns for
Hey, all you American servicemen. All you ICE thugs, and everyone else with a gun who's doing stuff because this guy is telling you to do stuff. Note how he thinks of you. Why are you risking your life for him, again?
I mean, I probably know why you ICE thugs are doing it - you get to go beat up and kill brown people, something you've always wanted to do. But you're also cowards, so maybe consider that angle. He'll sacrifice you in a heartbeat.
Well now the servicemen get to beatup brown people too.
He's a narcissistic psychopath. That means his brain is literally incapable of processing empathy, let alone understanding it.
...and lately, he's a narcissistic psychopath with dementia.
How a PTSD-tormented vet hasn't plugged this cunt yet is beyond me. He's said at least a dozen things in the last 10 years that would justify it. I mean he let the fact that there were Russian bounties on US service members go completely unanswered. Nevermind the repugnant things he says about them, he lets them be the target of headhunting sociopaths because he's too much of a fucking pussy to say a single word against Putin.
Signing up for military service under Trump is insane in the membrane.
Remember when undercover agents suddenly started dying left and right after he "stored" the country's top secret files in his Mar-a-Lago bathroom? Absolutely insane that there are still so many active military and vets supporting this waddling liability.
lost track on how many MAGAs attempted to murder him already. I think 3 attempts so far.
but they are MAGA, so not the most competent or smart people
I suspect that a fair number of Iranians will be joining ICE, and be deporting Trump from this mortal coil not long after.
The bounty thing was never confirmed. That's why Biden didn't do anything about it either.
"If they needed to die to distract people from the Epstein files, so be it."
JFC… 😯
Christ, what a fucking asshole.
Reminds me of Futurama:
I've heard that Zapp was meant to be a spoof of William Shatner/Kirk but he really shares so many unfortunate characteristics with Trump. He even has the crappy taste! "Leela, it's real velour!"
I remember watching TV shows and the president is often portrayed as a good person that would rather risk classified tech falling into the hands of enemies just to save the one remaining service member on the sinking ship/submarine...
Then you look at IRL and rewatch that scene and its just so silly lmao, completely unrealistic.
(I think it was Designated Survivor that I remember that scene from)
IF ONLY we get those benevolent fictional presidents IRL
Service members that voted Trump, do you get it yet?
Not a service member, but Trump told you he only likes winners.
The people that died, well, they are losers like PoW John McCain.
So service members that voted for Trump will think he still likes them, until they are KIA (at which point, they no longer care).
"Empathy is a sin." crowd continues to show who they are.
Being declared a terrorist in current america is the highest honor
The entire country is terrorists, you’re a terrorist nation
I'm a romanian but I get your point haha
I can't say "Fuck this guy" enough.
I'll second that. Fuck this guy!
I have to laugh because I know this won't phase his base.
Why is this waste of life still existing?
Because someone didn't get a decent scope and a proper target rifle.
Americans hate brown people so much more than him
reporters need to follow up on specifics of this "deal"
It involved big macs and fries
how the actual fuck are americans not rioting yet? Holy fuck...
So much for that second amendment against tyranny.
Does anyone know where they were? Sadly, I've got family over there
Possibly Kuwait
Thanks, I appreciate it
He is the center of everyone's universe in his mind
And the media just keeps calling him "bold" and "decisive."
bag of onions for the widows+ a package of trump steaks+ free degree of your choice from trump university.
the art of the deal... you get money and meaningless death ! I get to keep my Israel sponsors happy
I mean we already knew he's a soulless monster, so...
Hell is too good for him
I was always taught that lives such as mine being spent was an inevitable part of my profession. However, lives are not meant to be wasted like this.
Lives are the God Emperor's currency, and that currency should be spent wisely.
Donald Trump, however, is not the God Emperor. He is, in fact, a wastrel, a coward, a liar, and a cheat. He is a literal heretic, a figurative abomination, and a blight on the human race.
Coming his fat ass and Barron up asap!
These “Trump Acts Like Trump” headlines are a lot better than the “Trump Does A New Crazy Thing” or “Trump Just Started A War He Promised For 15 Years That He Wouldn’t!!” headlines.
I am very grateful that he is, at 80 years old, too old to be constantly fucking insane 24/7 anymore. Clearly, he needs to take a break every once in a while.
So do I.
To a narc everyone else is just thing to be used and discarded.
Of course he did. No reason to debate this here; we all know this is abominable and he is a monster.
Can we chat about how a malignant narcissist who is willing to commit atrocities and has apparently decided he’s going to hell anyhow (and has become kinda obsessed with that) has access to the largest nuclear arsenal on earth? With the walls closing in?
They've been saying the same about Ukrainian soldiers and nobody cared
That's not quite that what the said.
Not the phrasing I would have chosen, but it sounds like he means "a great deal of good" as in "We've done a great deal to help."
With that said, any President has to weigh the costs and benefits in lives of military action - it would be crude to explicitly say that some number of soldiers' lives is a favorable exchange for a military objective, but it's essential to do that math in private.
Boot polish is toxic, but you do you.
Not sure why you’re bending over backwards to extend such grace to trump. He called them suckers and losers in his first term, and it should be obvious he means a deal as in extracting wealth by way of invasion. Mostly for oil companies but surely for trump personally as well. Have you been paying any attention for the past 10 years?
You must be buff as hell with all those mental gymnastics.
If he didn't refer to every single foreign policy interaction ever as a "deal" you might be on to something. But you're not.
This war is going to get the best "ratings"
He fancies himself a great businessman; a deal maker. There is no chance he meant a great deal of good for the world.
I'm with you on this. Trump is human garbage, and his war with Iran is a terrible decision, but the idea that we sometimes have to trade lives for the greater good (whether or not we agree that the trade is worth it in this particular instance) is not new. Outrage is better spent on the war itself, not his stupid choice of words.