Israel launches attack on Iran
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Wow. Didn't see that coming. Not at all.
he needed a quick distraction from MR "dead" esptein files.
I would not be surprised if my boi Epstein is chilling out somewhere in ISrael
For any US soldier reading this thread: you are attacking another country to cover up for your pedophile president.
We need to call this the Pedophile War
I can't help having the horrible thought that Epstein is our Franz Ferdinand.
Yup. Apparently the Clintons testified in front of Congress yesterday regarding the Epstein files. That’s not high on the list headlines today.
US government protects pedophiles. Their soldiers have no option than to comply.
Yes, they do. American soldiers MUST disobey illegal orders.
This is not clearly illegal. Disobeying these orders would get you a court martial, and they will say it was legal.
It depends on the orders.
Like when they invaded vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Venezuela?
Yeah they'll totally not follow orders....
As the other comment says, these aren't illegal orders. Wrong? Obviously. I don't think there's anything that could possibly make this illegal though. The only potential argument is that only congress can declare war, but that's been pretty much fucked since the end of WWII. It's illegal for them to tell you to target civilians. It's legal for them to tell you to invade some foreign nation, for any reason.
Has Congress declared war? I thought that was the legal avenue for actions such as these.
Congress hasn't declared war in a very long time. The president was supposed to have limited power to conduct military operations, but that power has been expanded over the past century to essentially remove the need for congress to declare war.
Again, not saying this is good. I'm just saying it's probably legal.
Yeah, I understand, but I hold on to the notion that if there were representatives with a backbone, these orders would be challenged, with impeachments and other actions rightfully taken.
The land of the free pedophiles.
Weren't a bunch of analysis predicting this? The trump administration had apparently requested that Israel strike first to provide a flimsy excuse for firing their own missiles at Iran when the Ayatollah and his gang inevitably retaliates against Israel.
Israel has already stated officially that this was a joint attack with the US.
We were also predicting that israel would use their epstein blackmail to start their forever war. We were right.
You're looking at the odds after it already happened. It was like 5% yesterday.
youre supposed to notice the 80 million volume , obviously insiders were betting.. is this why people add what i've always thought were unnecessary red circles and arrows?
“Your the reason for unnecessary red circles” is actually a devastating insult.
There's two dozen pieces of information in that screenshot and you expect us to pick out the tiny one that doesn't mean anything to us?
How does that work
Republican corruption and crime, mostly.
The USA has followed up now according to Reuters
Sending all those ships to the Indian Ocean. 🤔💡
Just a lil vacation trip for our poor lil soldiers :3
Oh no a country slaughtering civilians is going to get invaded... Anyway.
I hope Iranian civilians stay safe. As for the government? Don't care.
Wait, Is Israel being finally invaded?
How is this propaganda? The iranian government literally killed thousands of students who were protesting in the streets only a few weeks ago.
Guys, guys. Chill.
Both of these countries are killing their own civilian population. But now one of them is also killing the other country's population as well. Probably soon to be joined by the other doing the same in return.
Let me just be the anarchist in the room and say fuck both of these countries. Fuck every country. We shouldn't have countries. And we especially shouldn't have countries that kill people, no matter which side of an imaginary line they're killing people on.
One of these countries is defending its civilian population against US bombs, the other is dropping them, don't both sides this shit because Iran isn't perfect.
I'm not trying to 'both sides' this shit as much as I'm trying to 'no sides' this shit.
You can't no sides when you live on the side that's dropping the bombs. The actions your words encourage within the west are the same that the most bloodthristy warhawks encourage. You are not supporting the Iranian people's struggle by opposing the state protecting them from your state.
When a zionist says that Hamas doesn't support gay rights, do you think they are trying to support gay struggles in Palestine? No they're trying to justify murdering more palestinians, just like anyone who says "Iran also bad" in this thread.
Yes, have you seen literally any time the US has gone to war anywhere in the last 80 years? We can't even invade Panama or abduct the president of Venezuela without murdering hundreds to thousands of civilians.
Truth.
Israel has murdered at least 21,000 CHILDREN over the past 30 months. To think that they have any moral standing is moronic at best, but more likely pure evil.
Yes, I'm only referencing deaths attributed to direct military action - or the IDF's direct murder of children with bullets and bombs. This is not to minimize the horror they have inflicted through genocidal policy.
...and the sky is blue. But how is this propaganda? How is invading another country, propaganda for zionists?
I think they mean that you can't fully trust the narrative about protests you read in the Western media. There is Israeli and US involvement in those protests trying to instigate regime change.
So the OP above is parroting Israeli/US propaganda by saying the protests are a justification for the latest military action.
Making a statement that minimizes state violence because it's against a state that undertakes state violence is still minimizing state violence. In this instance it is minimizing the violence of a genocidal state that is far more violent than the state it is attacking for undertaking state violence.
So Israel and the United States are going to respond by murdering the rest of them? You do know that they bomb indiscriminately correct? I just don't understand your argument here. If you're concerned about civilian deaths how could you be supportive of this. They literally bomb hospitals.
Cool your tits. I didn't say any of that.
Well in this case, Casey is literally an LLM bot so it's probably propaganda. Check their modlog.
And your source for that is CIA, right
Ever heard of Palestinians? Gaza? No?
You said they are promoting not slaughtering civilians, while they are slaughtering civilians.
Zionists are dropping bombs on their population. Iran is defending against Israel and America.
too drunk to think?"
Have you seen Gaza bro?
Hamas had it operational bases under civilian facilities such as hospitals.
Because it’s worked out great all the other times the US has done that
You'll just believe anything they tell you, huh?
They fed you propaganda for a few weeks to soften you up for the war that they were always planning. It's so fucking obvious that the "protests" were just a prelude to these strikes, and you just eat it up because you’ll just believe anything they tell you.
Yep. https://www.resistusledwarmovement.com/uploads/1/1/0/0/110020547/full_series_-_iran_hybrid_warfare_weapons_watch_compressed.pdf
https://www.resistusledwarmovement.com/uploads/1/1/0/0/110020547/full_series_-_iran_hybrid_warfare_weapons_watch_compressed.pdf
Over 100 officers were also killed by these so-called "protesters" during the riots, doesn't that strike you as odd?
The "protesters" attacked police and military targets, armed by Mossad and the CIA. In the chaos many innocent people who got drawn into the riots were also killed, and that's terrible, but the fault lays firmly at the feet of Israel and the US. They tried to instigate a color revolution, and when that failed they used it as justification for war.
And you fell for it like you always do, because you’ll just believe anything they tell you.
There's nothing revolutionary about acting on behalf of Israel and the US.
Yeah you never saw a CIA-backed coup you didn't like.
I sure have, tons of shit they do is bat shit insane but I've never fired on civilians in response.
Retitle this to say the chairman of the bored of peace started WWIII
This name fits that group perfectly
WWIII has been going on for a while, its just not really affecting north America or western Europe yet but Israel/Gaza/Iran, Yemen, Syria, Ukraine/Russia, and all the conflicts in Africa are 100% connected. Not an official definition or anything, but I'd say if a war affects 3 out of 6 inhabited continents it counts as a world war.
i’d say open sea predation by rivalling armadas on the other’s shipping supply lines and generally more a focus on interrupting the global infrastructure of the opponent would be a characteristic sign of a world war. now this is also contentious, when does an interruption count? only when it’s done through violence?
We're stopping and confiscating and blowing up ships and boats all over the globe. Seems like we're being awfully predatory at sea already.
exactly!
Fpr the record, this is not world war three, rather cold war two, the fascist boogaloo, the enemy within. Trademark.
Iran has the right to defend itself.
They can try, but they're kinda getting their ass kicked
How disgusting that you would talk about this like it's some soccer match. What an absolutely inhumane thing to write.
"inhumane"[sic]? It's a perfectly true and very human thing to write. Ever crack open a history book? Like, any history?
Am I incorrect, though?
Yes, you are. Why are you even asking?
Currently in a country with a US base, currently hearing Iran's missile blasts. Still on Iran's side
You too friend, and I hope things eventually improve without fearful leadership who see the US as the rulers of the world.
What is a Zionist and why does one thirst for blood.
A racist who hides behind their Judaism and think other peoples land is their god given birthright.
There’s plenty of Christian and secular Zionists too it’s really just settler colonialist ideology that uses supremacy and pseudoscience to justify the genocide and annexation of land from the indigenous population
also there's plenty of secular antisemitism, usually identifying itself as anti-zionist. Herzliche Grüße!
Modern day fascist. This time the "in group" is defined as Jewish Israelis.
Israel and the associated political ideology of Zionism describes the settler colonialist state that relies on pseudoscience, theology and supremisist ideology to justify the genocide and annexation of indigenous lands.
the only intellectually worthwhile post i read here so far. thanks!
Ignorance of Zionism is “the only worthwhile post?”
Ya, that tracks…
in fact i embrace it.
Ignorance isn’t something to be proud of.
That Board of Peace is working really well.
Bored*
A second FIFA peace prize should fix the situation.
It's like the USA is falling in the void.
it's an abyss thank you very much.
Sorry, it's like I had to write it down so it started to sink, I guess.
chose the wrong day to delete the Signal app
could have got some mad skillz real time Hegseth updates if you hadn't!
Orange cunt shaking his shriveled dick covered in shit form his overfilled diaper. Way to go, USA!
That first sentence is a work of art.
Americans think they wont face consequences of their actions, thats why they do this
We need to make them face consequences
GO IRAN!!!
Err, wtf is happening?
Israel and the US have begun their war on Iran with a "regime change" as the stated goal. If they succeed, Israel cements its expansionist goals and the middle east is fucked. If Iran succeeds, Israel is fucked.
There's a small chance of a stalemate and both give up and we go back to "normal" after a whole lot of death and destruction.
The entire middle east is going to be affected either way, and to a lesser extent the world as energy distribution from the gulf will be effected.
Also, don't forget, the US attempts to cancel elections due to being in the middle of a war, despite extensive historical precedent of still holding elections during wartime.
I think a "stalemate" is more likely than you suspect - the Iranian and Israeli regimes both benefit from having the other one to demonize. I suppose regime change is the ideal goal, but even just more war to galvanize support around Netanyahu in an election year in Israel is a win for him.
Regime change would probably mean the same thing that happened in Iraq or Afghanistan. The invading countries will leave a power vacuum and some extremist group is going to take advantage. In Iraq they had ISIS which required a whole new invasion to stop and in Afghanistan the Taliban is now stronger than before the US invasion.
With how much bombing the US and Israel are preparing to do, a stalemate won't come without major destruction in Israel and US bases. I'm not sure that'll be helpful for Satanyahu's campaign.
So, who profits from this?
Israel primarily, US second.
Also, Trump gets a massive distraction - which he presently critically needs with his approval ratings at the lowest level in either of his presidencies, and the lowest level for the first 100 days of a presidency in 80 years.
Uhh the middle east has been fucked for centuries. Nothing thats happening will change any of that.
American diplomacy in action.
The consciences of those honourable men and women serving their old country (the usa) must be taking a severe beating.
Drill, baby, drill...
And s*** Netanyahu along the way
why would you shit netanyahu?
Cruel dictatorship is good?
Where do we sign up to root for Iran?
Please dear god USS Gerald Ford soldiers keep shitting so the carrier is incapacitated and the US can't invade
I thought this was a pretty good summary of what is happening over there https://www.resistusledwarmovement.com/uploads/1/1/0/0/110020547/full_series_-_iran_hybrid_warfare_weapons_watch_compressed.pdf
this looks pretty biased and doesn't provide any sources for many claims. I'm not sure it's a trustworthy assessment.
Other than the historical record of regime change intervention that the us government has been doing for decades?
One can argue that the material seems to be biased when the domain is resistusledwarmovement.com
If Iran was not the country it currently is, I would condemn the attack.
Iran being the country it is, all I can say is - I doubt if this brings about any beneficial change.
There are very few examples of regimes collapsing purely due to aerial bombardment. I can recall only one example (Libya) and it had opposition in control of some cities, ready for battle with government troops (which got bombed on their way to attack the opposition)... and not much happiness resulted from it anyway.
The US and Israel bombed an elementary school and killed 40 Iranian girls are you proud of yourself?
It's their own fault for not being born someplace good. /S
Proud? Please explain because it seems you're not replying to me.
I live in Estonia, that's in North-Eastern Europe unless you know. We aren't bombing Iran and couldn't even if we wanted badly.
But our ally (Ukraine) is being bombed with weapons purchased from Iran and subsequent designs improved upon Iranian ones. I am also keenly aware that the Iranian regime has killed well over 10 000 of their own people to supress protests, and maybe as much as 30 000 (though I'm not convinced it's that high, it just seems the realistic top end of the estimates). That's a lot.
I am also aware that Donald Trump does not do humanitarian interventions, so the "current thing" is not a humanitarian intevention. It's a boring ordinary war with one ruler (a wannabe tyrant named Donald Trump) going at another ruler (an actual tyrant named Ali Khamenei) who failed to submit to his demands. There seems to be another ruler involved, a wanted war criminal called Benjamin Netanyahu seems to be cooperating with Trump. This makes it embarrassing to look at, emphasizing that the current thing has nothing to do with international law.
A humanitarian intervention arguably could have occurred on the night when the IRGC and Basij started shooting masses of people. It did not occur.
In the best case, the "current thing" could have some side benefits to the Iranian people, but those are unlikely to become realized and could be dwarved by unpredictable harms caused.
As a result of the situation explained above, I find it impossible to say any words of support to anyone involved, only criticize them all. The word "proud" implies support. So you are extremely wrong to think I'm proud about anything happening there currently, and I don't think others should be either.
Iran sells weapons to Russia because the West sanctioned Iran for opposing genocide.
Sanctions on Iran pre-date the genocide in Gaza by a long time.
I wonder what causes you to lie, when you have information available that indicates the contrary.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2025%E2%80%932026_Iranian_protests
Are you perhaps related to some group which Israel has attacked? Then I would understand the desperate need to support any tyrant, as long as they are against Israel.
If I were you, I would critically examine my news sources.
You are misinformed.
Do you actually know that war in Eastern Ukraine started in 2014? Have you read the timeline?
Yes, when a land war occurs, both sides will be shelling each other.
The casualty numbers due to Ukrainian fire (you forgot to provide casualty numbers through Russian fire - why did you forget? were they too big?) are unlikely, though, since it was a low-intensity conflict. But it was intense enough to drive 1.6 million people from their homes over time.
At some point, a ceasefire was reached, with sides agreeing to remove heavy guns and missile launchers to a distance from the line of contact. Then the ceasefire failed. At all points, Russia was supporting an army of approximately 30 000 to 40 000 soliders in Eastern Ukraine, and equipping them with everything from small arms to heavy artillery.
You mention "Putin's justification for invasion". He was already invading Ukraine in 2022. He had taken Crimea in 2014 and had been trying to take Donbas ever since, with low intensity warfare.
His true grievance was that Ukrainians had a revolution in 2014, and drove out president Viktor Yanukovich, whom Putin had friendly ties with. He responded with military force.
Please, study history. Do not let propagandists twist you around a finger. History is complicated but if you want to be adequate at politics, you must understand the topics you speak about.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_in_Donbas
I wonder which countries played roles in it becoming like that. This would be what the 4th time Israel and USA have done/attempted regime change?
I know the history. It's bitter.
70 years ago, Iran had extremely poor relations between government and parliament, but could have come through of that period without the UK + US organized coup.
The Shah could have been influenced and moderated, but nobody gave a damn.
The Islamic revolution was not the only possible outcome of the revolution to oust the Shah, but it was allowed to go that way. Nobody gave a damn.
The Iraq-Iran war could have been prevented. As it happened, it gave the ayatollahs legitimacy. They could claim to represent Iran as they were actually defending against an Iraqi invasion.
So, one act of malicious interference by the UK + US, several acts of the international community (note: of that time, with peculiarities of that time) not having any damns to give, and one act of malicious interference by the dictator of Iraq. And the various strikes and assassinations by Israel.
Hope for a rapid victory and a regime change to something not-so-obviously-shit in Iran. I hope they know what they're doing.
Not very probable I guess.
Do you think Israel/America are there to help the Iranian people? How'd that work out in Afghanistan? Iraq? Syria? Libya?
Americans will say shit like this and then wonder why the world hates them
No good outcome is possible from two brutal murdeous authoritarian regimes attacking a third.
Seems like a much better option that all parties involved in a war are brutal, murderous, authoritarian than if one of them wouldn't be. Like Ukraine.
Yeah I'm sure the regime installed by fucking Israel and the US will be so much better! 🤡
Given the US had a second carrier group move up, they think it might take a while
Utterly ignorant of every previous american attempt at regime change.
Not at all.
Germany and Japan after 1945 went pretty well. Panama 1989 wasn't too bad. Grenada, 1983. Serbia, 2000, not horrrible. USA had a big influence in South Korea getting rid of its military dictatorship in 1980s. Chile was first a bit of a shitshow, but after 1988 went a bit better.
Their Middle East meddlings have not been so great, admittedly. Defending Kuwait against Iraq went pretty well, but that's pretty much it. Iran especially went to absolute shit.
WWII is the one exceptional case of american intervention. After that you're literally scraping the bottom of the barrel. 3 of those were our puppets and the last was a tiny Carribean island.
Let's look at some of the other examplea
There's certainly more - almost every Latin american nation could be mentioned - but I think I've made my point.
Do you really think the Islamic Republic of Iran will fall like Noriega? Please. They'll have a new Supreme Ayatollah in months and there's still the entire IRGC to deal with. The Iranian people may not be as theological as their government but they are deeply nationalist. Any criticism of their government is now: "you want our schoolgirls bombed".
When evil fights evil is this.. good?
Only if you believe the Iraq or Afghanistan wars were okay (in which case you'll have to reasonably argue they were worth the millions killed, wounded and displaced in the process).
Well you're right.. seems to be same. Bad guy attacks bad guy saying to free people. A few years later thousands are dead, no one is free but some of the bad guys made good money.
I guess but i don't have all facts
Average Liberal cheering on the genocidal Israeli ethnostate.
what?
You said a silly thing.
You are seeing Israel commit genocide and are already cheering on their next genocide.
Israel and the US bombed a girls school and killed 40 girls are you proud of yourself?
No.