Spyke
lemmy.ca

Owning a cybertruck is an indication the driver is a Nazi. It was always an indicator of very poor taste, but now it marks you as a Nazi. Don’t bother trying to change my mind. I know it, my cat knows it, the mould in that tupperware I keep putting off opening in the far reaches of my fridge knows it.

No excuses now, and no bumper stickers will dissuade me. It’s been long enough, sell the thing or start sieg heiling.

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my cat knows it

See, that's what we call an appeal to authority

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protistreply
mander.xyz

Very early on, I think there were some well-meaning people who were really excited about it. The idea of an all-electric truck was brand new, and the promise was huge. It unfortunately wasn't until after many Cybertruck preorders had been secured that Elon plainly revealed his true colors, and then after it was delivered that people found out it was a piece of garbage

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lemmy.world

Idk, the first cyber trucks delivered nov 30 2023.

His takeover of Twitter was 2022, with plenty of bright red flags The "pedo guy" thing was 2019 All of his COVID violations were extremely public in 2020 and 2021

I think you'd have to be living under a rock to be completely unaware of what he was by the time preorders were locked in

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It's just a convenient loophole for fascists to pretend they're not fascists.

"Oh no I gave them a fully refundable $100 to pre-order it, guess I'm locked into giving this seig heiling, election interfering, pedophilic elite illegal immigrant $100k."

There's a bunch of defenders in this very thread.

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FishFacereply
piefed.social

None of those amount to Nazism. You know what does? Throwing out a couple of Hitler salutes. But that didn't happen until later.

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lemmy.world

Strong disagree. Buying Twitter to amplify the voices of Nazis is pretty straightforwardly an act of a Nazi

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FishFacereply
piefed.social

Ok, I agree that if musk's objective in buying twitter was to amplify nazi voices, that confirms him as a nazi.

Do you have convincing proof that that was his objective? Convincing enough that some random guy buying a car who "doesn't care about politics" would immediately believe he's a nazi? I don't think so.

He stated his aim was to remove barriers to free speech. People disagree over what speech should be protected as a matter of principle, so our hypothetical buyer may very well have thought that that was a good idea.

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The point is, each additional step adds uncertainty:

  1. Musk is highly likely to be a Nazi because
  2. he very likely bought Twitter in order to promote Nazis, which we know because
  3. after the acquisition, it's very likely that his actions have been to promote Nazis, which we know because
  4. after the acquisition, the accounts we know have been promoted are right and far-right

In reverse order:

  1. What if there are other actions in support of left-wing views our analysis has missed? What if the motivation was a belief that left-wing views were generally not being suppressed as much as right-wing views? (An easy belief to acquire, because the far-right are more violent than the far-left, so more often fall foul of rules against promotion of violence)
  2. What if these far-right groups are horrible, but not actually Nazis?
  3. What if Musk bought Twitter for other reasons, even though the actual effect has been promoting far-right/Nazis?

Let me be very clear: it is abundantly obvious that Musk is a Nazi. I am not trying to convince you that he isn't. I'm not trying to convince you that there was no reason to think he was a horrible shitstain in 2023; there absolutely was. But you and others in this thread are conflating convincing evidence with incontrovertible evidence. That's just a failure of empathy; people are unconvinced by convincing evidence all the damn time.

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LillyPipreply
lemmy.ca

Yeah, true. But we’re like several years past that now. If you could afford one of those sins against the design gods, you could afford to take the L by now.

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I bet a lot of the cucks that preordered and bought them are financed to the absolute max and can’t afford to sell it now.

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They couldn't tell from the look of the thing? When he first unveiled it, I thought it he was trying to make some sort of joke. Legitimately thought he was trying to prank people! The design is atrocious!

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nik9000reply
programming.dev

Every time I see one I think, "that's so ugly it's almost cute." I just love janky crap.

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LillyPipreply
lemmy.ca

Janky can be great if not ‘designed’ by and supporting Nazis.

Love me the 70s Gremlin.

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No excuses now

I believe this.

At the same time, they'll get what's coming to them. They bought a shitty cybertruck that will break down and has shitty resell value.

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… It’s been long enough, sell the thing or start sieg heiling.

Or at least sieg selling… AMIRIGHT? 😅

I’m really hoping to pick one up cheap and make the monster-truck-DeLorean-time-machine of my dreams reality 🤓 But I’m only going up to $3.50 USD… gotta’ crash the whole CyberShmuck™ economy in the process 🤑

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sh.itjust.works

Yeah. I flip them off every time.

I never flip anyone off. Never honk. Never do much of anything...

But I flip Nazi's off every time.

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I too, flip these car/trucks over anytime I see them. They aren't going anywhere upside down.

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lemmy.world

No excuses now, and no bumper stickers will dissuade me. It’s been long enough, sell the thing or start sieg heiling.

Hard to sell them when the only potential buyer market is people you want to avoid at all cost or a used car place that will buy it for an insulting fraction of it's value.

And buying a replacement in this economy? We can judge new buyers all day long, we can judge people with 200k salaries that keep them, but there's lot of folks are stuck with a car that no one will buy; and maybe their situation isn't so great either.mmaybe they got laid off, had to take a big salary cut to keep living, can't afford a new car, and because they can charge the car for free at work they have extra money for food.

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LillyPipreply
lemmy.ca

No sympathy.

e: do you seriously expect me to care about your bad investment when my car (that I love and baby) is worth less than $5,000? Scrap yards exist. Your bad decision is worth more in parts than my home. And I am currently having to fight to keep my fucking car.

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lemmy.world

Edit I kind of skimmed the part where you said cyber trucks owners are Nazis. By that I mean, I read it is as Tesla owners are Nazis. Yeah, anyone who bought a Tesla in the last 5 years is probably a piece of garbage human or is an unfortunate result of a failed education. Which also makes selling them for good price a whole lot harder. The bumper stickers are a bandaid people use to make them selves feel a tiny it better, and a little extra hope their tires won't get slashed.


People bought into the marketing hype pre-2020, and it was pretty much the only viable full EV in North America due to the charge network. A lot of people got them with good intentions for the environment.

Most people take out loans to buy new cars. When you sell or scrap a car the loan doesn't go away. If you have 30k left on a loan, scrap the car for 10k - you'll be left with a 20k loan and no car.

Regardless of a car's financial worth, having a functional car is worth a lot more.

What your asking people to do is about as financially crazy as if someone told you to sell your car for $500, spend a thousand into maintance, and then go to buy a new one the leftover cash. In other words - blow a sizable chunk of your own money because the owner of the car company is a shit person. Who does that help? Musk already got his money, reselling the car does jack shit to him and completely fucks over the seller.

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lemmy.world

And I say fuck that way of thinking.

It was largely the democratic side of people that pushed for green energy and to stop polluting with gas cars. People listened, found Teslas were a great EV option and now the same people are telling Tesla owners they are Nazis for owning one.

It's getting stabbed in the back by the people you supported because some rich guy is a piece of shit.

And truthfully I don't own a Tesla, its my trans sister that has to deal with harassment and people telling her "they can't accept her as a woman because she's own a Tesla". Fuck them and their exclusive "inclusivity" club.

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they can't accept her as a woman because she's own a Tesla

That’s fucked up. Being anti-Trans is far more unacceptable than being pro-Tesla.

I think an incorrect presumption made is that Tesla owners are always well off enough to replace them with sufficient motivation, rather than having seen it as an investment.

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sh.itjust.works

this is not an endorsement of Musk or of Tesla or of cybertruck drivers - but this is a Very Online take. My boss' husband drives a cybertruck, he doesn't know what tiktok is, he doesn't know what a meme is nor does he understand them when he sees them (he asks who it's a photo of), the only news he consumes is in regards to logistics and supply chain and a little bit of the stock market.

I imagine he has as much understanding of why people hate elon musk as to I do as to why people love Sidney Crosby and hate Alexander Ovechkin - two people I had never heard of or know nothing about before googling "hockey players people love and hate."

I won't even remember their names in 5 minutes. I imagine a fair amount of cybertruck owners are like that.

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LillyPipreply
lemmy.ca

I guess that’s fair, though my 89 year old dad who’s also not terminally online knows this, so I have a hard time with excuses now.

Much as it sucks, if I see your boss’s husband driving that crime against fingers, I’m still gonna see him as a Nazi. Maybe someone should tell him, and show him the video.

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sh.itjust.works

random people on the street flip him off, and some people have thrown stuff at him. He thinks they're weirdos and it's kinda funny. 🤷‍♂️

also I'm not going to tell the bosses husband people think he's a nazi. I'm going to take my pay and enjoy my weekends and vacations.

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LillyPipreply
lemmy.ca

Hey man, you’re under no obligation to tell him, nor to defend him.

So stop defending him.

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You understand the situation now. Continuing to stay "stop defending him" means you just want to cling to your black and white categorisation, and don't want to hear anyone question it.

I don't live in the US - very few people here are actual Nazis and cybertrucks aren't road legal. But people are still buying model 3s and Ys.

I wouldn't do that when the CEO has outed himself as a nazi but I'm also not so immature as to think everyone who'll buy a product and ignore the shit the company owner does is a fucking nazi, because that's insane.

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It's not a "Very Online" take, it's a "paying any modicum of attention" take. Willful ignorance is not a valid excuse for anything, and if your boss truly thinks of Elon Musk (the richest man in the world who has bought elections and media platforms and every American's social security number) the same way that you think of some random hockey player, then your boss is being willfully ignorant. It's giving "i'M nOt pOLiTiCaL", which we all know is just cowardese for "conservative".

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Have you read or watched a review of the cybertruck? I have, it did not say it was shit.

In fact the main reason I watched was to see whether they addressed the elephant in the room of how it looks like a stretch dumpster. They did not.

The hard-line anti-cybertruck stuff is absolutely not universal, same as the anti-musk stuff.

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If he's that out of the loop on news, the poor bastard probably doesn't even realize he dies in a fire locked inside it every time he drives.

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Does your boss's husband know what a hitler salute is?

Probably, because they drive a cybertruck.

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Gathorallreply
lemmy.world

God damn they better never give you any responsibility because you're the most gullible person I've ever known. Your boss just doesn't want to tell you he's a fascist.

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sh.itjust.works

there's no need to make it personal to me, I'm just telling you about a guy I know.

I think its very reasonable in America that one wouldn't be exposed to specific anti-Musk language if one didn't engage with social media or news.

I think this is a case of

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explodiclereply
sh.itjust.works

You're telling us about a guy you know who you seem to believe.

It isn't reasonable to not engage with any news whatsoever while living in America. And crazy to extend that much benefit of the doubt.

He knows.

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I mean you'll have to take my word for it I guess.

I volunteer for an organization that promotes fiction penned by women and minority communities, we have a guy on the board who used to be a software engineer in the 70s–90s before he retired, he doesn't know the first thing about social media. Struggles to remember the name of Facebook which is the only one he's used.

My father in law wrote software for both JPL and government oceanography equipment, and is a big fan of Musk's SpaceX work and vehemently against his political stuff, saying "he needs to dump that political stuff and get back to work!" frequently.

In my experience, people are complicated and immune to a lot of online pigeonholing, no matter how insistent online voices (mine included) are about that - there is a break between online discourse and real life day to day humdrum quotidian lived experience

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threereply
lemmy.zip

I saw a very obviously trans person driving one the other day. Asked them if they were taking themselves to the camps or if they were into it rough.

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lemmy.zip

I've seen one many times driving to work, or home from family visits (on the same road) and I always make sure they see my finger flying out the window. The last time I saw them, they were having an argument, and I choose to believe they were arguing over something to the tune of:

"I HATE RIDING IN THIS THING, WE ALWAYS GET FLIPPED OFF"

"IDK WHAT TO TELL YOU, IT WAS A GREAT INVESTMENT"

Even if that's not it, seeing people be miserable in a cybercuck makes me happy on the inside.

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lemmy.world

I heard a comedian a while back talking about how her husband gives people a thumbs down instead of flipping them off in road rage situations and it pisses people off so much more, so I’ve been doing that to cybertrucks. I love it.

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Now I need a big thumbs-up… like, carnival lollipop sized emoji prop, but with The Elon’s face blended into the thumb 😎

Oh! Finally a reason to try Grök… 50/50 all the other fingers end up being CSAM 🫣

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lemmy.world

Man that phrasing is so close to being entirely not what you meant.....I hope.

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I mean… it was a sarcastic riff on the individual who said something about flipping off families in cyber trucks 😌

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DicJacobusreply
lemmy.world

Bruce Willis, Steve Carrell, William Shatner, Nick Nolte Avril Lavigne, Eugene Levy , Omid Djalili.

OTH really was just some random animated movie that was stacked with huge talents doing voiceover.

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Damn, thank you. We're snowed in AF here in Jersey (New), and I needed a good family flick, the kids are shit at helping me pick.

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TehWorldreply
lemmy.world

A lot of animated movies have super star studded voiceovers. The pay is pretty good for these actors and they don’t have to spend hours on makeup and wardrobe. They show up in regular clothes, talk into a mic for a couple hours then go home and cash a fat check. Vastly easier than actual acting roles.

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This movie was surprisingly good, I took a woman to see it in the theater when it came out, and fifteen years later we were still quoting it at each other.

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lemmy.world

I'm near SpaceX in CA and see plenty of men in them because SpaceX purchased a bunch for company cars when Tesla couldn't sell them.

Also it's really weird to see like, 8 of them in one place.

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I live in Austin, and I probably see 1-3 Cybertrucks per day. I used to feel deep vicarious shame for them, but that's slowly transformed into speechless incredulity

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DataCrimereply
lemmy.dbzer0.com

Now I need 2 so I can do a space shuttle wrap job! We should set up a GoFundMe or something to make as many dumb cyber trucks as possible 😅

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DataCrimereply
lemmy.dbzer0.com

Oh! 3 in a row; human centipede style, Drumph up front, Elon in the middle, and either Miller or Bondi bringing up the caboose 😎

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There's no way they wouldn't take the opportunity to put a woman in last position to catch the most shit.

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lemmy.world

Of course not. What kind of man would want to see his family burned with him in a fiery death trap?

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The kind that thinks the Cybertruck is a good use of money in the first place?

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I was mistaken in my assumption. Figured the Tesla would have an obvious clear way to escape quickly without power in an emergency but no.

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Uristreply
leminal.space

Teslas are especially unsafe, and often lock people inside when they fail. This is because Tesla is run by one of the dumbest men who ever lived.

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skisnowreply
lemmy.ca

yes but actually no. There's a hidden pull cord under the bottom mat of the "map pocket" that you have to remove, along with whatever else you were storing in there at the time. That's assuming the cord hasn't fallen out of reach inside the door or otherwise become inaccessible during an accident, of course.

The owner's manual section on "how to open the door if there's no power" spans 4 pages (viewed on mobile) and has 3 diagrams to illustrate the steps.

(incidentally, opening the frunk with no power is a separate page with ten steps and begins, "To open the powered frunk when Cybertruck has no power, you need a power source that provides between 9V and 16.5V"... it's like they're trying to be shit.)

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MinFapperreply
startrek.website

Or any vehicle with an internal combustion engine, because those burn way more often.

But their fires aren't reported on as much because it doesn't cause as much ragebait engagement.

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EV fires make the news because fire departments often struggle to put them out.

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Cantaloupereply
lemmy.fedioasis.cc

It ain't just ragebait, Lithium battery fires burn much hotter and are way harder to deal with. All it takes is one cell to be damaged to cause a chain reaction. We gotta have better types of batteries first, and we're getting there. New batteries exist, they are cheaper, and safer but they are bulkier.

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Pretty much all Chinese EVs use LFP batteries. You can hammer a nail into one and it'll just stare at you like you're some kind of dumbass.

Western made ones use NCA or NCM batteries because of range anxiety. But those ones are armored AF so good luck doing any significant damage to them. And I suspect they'll also switch to LFP within the next decade or so anyway.

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Every cybertruck I see where I live has some company logo or wrap on it. It's great advertising -- it lets me know never to hire that company for anything.

The most hilarious one is for a company that does waterproofing. Like yes, I'm going to hire a waterproofing company that just spent $100K on a vehicle that can't go through a car wash.

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lemmy.world

What starts with c- and ends in -uck?

::: spoiler spoiler


Cybertruck :::

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The other night i rallied a group of also drunk strangers outside a bar i just left to berrate a douche bag in a cyber truck until he left. It’s always one guy alone

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lemmy.world

Leaving all the downsides of the Cybertruck aside - the fact that it's built by a fucking nazi, the fact that it can turn in to a death trap, the fact that the build quality is shit...

Who the fuck buys a hideous, hideous car like this..? Who suffers from such poor taste that they think a piece of junk that looks like it was designed by a five-year-old is something worth spending money on, let alone so much?

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dev_nullreply
lemmy.ml

I don't know, I think it looks cool.

Completely impractical, shitty car built by a Nazi that nobody should even consider buying. But in terms of looks alone I like it. I'd gladly drive one in, e.g. a video game (if the look wasn't associated with Musk, unfortunately it's tainted now), or watch a movie where it's the weird vehicle the superhero uses.

Why would you build a car looking like that in the real world I have no idea, but it looks cool.

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glorkonreply
lemmy.world

It looks cool? Well, we have completely different ideas of cool looks, apparently... I think this car looks cool.

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It's obviously subjective. To me this car just looks like a generic expensive car. Looks the same like every other car.

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I hate the cybertruck, but I think it’s chassis modularity is really neat, they just cut a predefined line in the chassis, then drop in a replacement section, although I’m not sure if I should trust the glue they use to fuse them, even after seeing how it happens in JerryRigEverything’s video on it.

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mat davereply
lemmy.ml

I'm not defending the Cybertruck, but I used to think the same thing about the Honda Insight. It looks much nicer now, but that was after a huge toning down of toddler design.

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That may be true, but in case of the Cybertruck, I doubt that there is any lipstick you can put on that particular pig that can somehow turn it into something I would even remotely consider buying.

I mean, I'm European, I can't buy the fricking thing anyway, but I am also rather glad that I'm spared from ever seeing it in the wild.

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Cybercucks buy these shitty vehicles for the same reason they do anything - to own the libs. That's the only point of it.

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lemmy.world

A surprising amount of students at my uni have cybertruck.

No fucking clue.

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I don't see them down here either as they fail basic standards for street legality

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MrVilliamreply
sh.itjust.works

Sounds like her lawyer was terrible if she got stuck with that chudmobile.

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Or it was her ex-husband's most prized possession and her lawyer is actually an absolute unit.

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Chudmobile 🤣

I’m seeing like the long 90’s Batmobile but like a cheesy lake paddle boat version… maybe a Pontiac Aztec?

The CyberSuck is like an El Camino and a DeLorien had a kid who grew up in Ft. Lauderdale doing bath salts and roids.

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A whole family driving any truck would be difficult since there's only room for one person on the drivers seat.

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Older pickups had a bench seat so could seat 3. Then there are the crew cabs who can seat 6.

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Everyone gets lost talking about this thing. Purchasing and driving a poorly-engineered or aesthetically-questionable vehicle isn't the primary problem. That's not unique. There have always been shitty vehicles.

People who drive these gave $80,000 to empower the Nazis. The fact that they're shitboxes just underscores that conspicuous consumption and the support and affiliation for and with Fascism are the entire point.

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piefed.social

There is only one in my city and it's parked in a church parking lot every Sunday.

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Only place it won’t get vandalized 😇

I love the endless contradictions of … [political content redacted]

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Sadly this doesn't hold true for red states. I've seen multiple people putting their children at risk by ferrying them around in a vehicle that makes the Ford Pinto look safe.

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IndiBronyreply
lemmy.world

These people don't seem to get that if you're buying pretty much anything for yourself, you aren't winning.

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Let's not pretend that this is a unique issue with cybertrucks.

Every day at work it's nothing but single dudes riding their pavement princesses. My Model 3 has seen more family time and off-roading time than these things.

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This is why most cybertruck drivers believe divorce and restraining orders should be illegal, and why it should be legal to hit their wives.

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Maybe I can get one cheap/busted to pull the drivetrain out for a project car...

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This weekend I saw a "wrapped" yellow ClusterTruck parked at a local funeral home. I've never wanted to be THAT disrespectful before.

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It was that way even when the cybertruck came out. Early tesla users, maybe, but we knew he was a weirdo cunt who came from apartheid money even then.

You want an electric truck, get a rivian. You wanna drive a nazi flag, get any type of tesla.

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Ya know I'm aware they are basically the inbred cousin of the old Avalanche trucks that is to say an SUV with a slight bed but I feel like a single cab cyber truck would look better and be more functional.

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lemmy.world

I never understood this weird hate boner that Reddit and Lemmy users have for cybertrucks specifically. It can't be a moral position because they're fine with regular Teslas, just not this one. It also can't be about the ugly design because they're fine with other ugly cars.

The thing is that I've seen a few of these out in the wild, and they're almost always driven either by Indian tech bros or white finance bros. I've never seen any right wing types drive these like so many people here seem to think. In fact, the right wing types have this weird vendetta against all electric cars and they intentionally go for the gas guzzling pickup trucks. Which this hate boner even more baffling. It's like people are mad for the sake of it.

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People don't hate on other Tesla vehicles as much because there is plausible deniability of the being bought before Elon went mask off Nazi. The cyber truck was announced after he gave everyone good reason to not support him.

The design is not only ugly, it's also dangerous, hard to maintain and repair, (and I believe the repair work must be done by Tesla mechanics) , fragile, and very distinct. Other ugly cars are ugly yes, but they aren't nearly as eye catching as the mobile refrigerators.

Indian tech bros and white finance bros can be right wing too.

Yeah many right wingers hate electric vehicles. Which highlights why it was such a bad idea for Elon to be so openly a Nazi. He pissed off the people that want electric vehicles, and sided with people that hate them.

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TRockreply
feddit.dk

Cybertruck has quite a lot of issues. It will for an example never be approved safetywise in Europe

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With mods, it has been approved in the Czech Republic. Yes, our DOT is a joke and now even run by the Motorist party. A guy is offering to import one, apply the mods (front licence plate holder, amber rear blinkers, slight smoothing of edges) and get it registered.

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lemmy.world

Okay, but it's rarely hated for that. The hate fests always revolve around this weird assumption that this car is driven exclusively by incels and MAGA types, but that's simply not true. Like sure its ugly and a bad product, but it's not exactly unique in that aspect there's a lot of other cars like that.

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Gathorallreply
lemmy.world

You had to be a MAGA type to ever buy one so that's a fair assumption. Or such a willingly ignorant drooling idiot you deserve to be hated for choosing to exist in that state as well.

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I'm willing to bet that it's the latter almost every time. MAGA's hatred for electric cars and sustainability is truly unhinged.

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Yeah i get that, and I agree with you that the majority of owners definitely aren't MAGA, as you said they hate elected cars.

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It’s a truck that isn’t even waterproof. What a stupid machine.

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