Spyke
kikureply
feddit.org

Apparently that's something that Bill Gates is an expert in...

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lemmy.world

And yet not a single person involved is being persecuted, bizarre...

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MAGAts would have to admit they were at the very least wrong (if not complicit) for that, and we all know that ain't happening.

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MrSmithreply
lemmy.world

It's crazy to me that people still think law in the US equally applies to everyone, and are in shock every time they see that it doesn't.

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We’re not in shock, we’re increasingly dejected and occasionally it builds up enough to make us scream for a minute before worse news mutes us again.

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prolereply
lemmy.blahaj.zone

persecuted

I think the word you're looking for is "prosecuted"

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sh.itjust.works

Not prosecuted, but it's caused royals to lose their title, for example. And it's still going.

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lemmy.world

Well yeah. He was the fall guy, and it's WAY easier to suicide someone when they're inside your prison.

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You don't like his tone, but it's very important those two people went to prison. Should more people be in prison? Absolutely.

We're in a worse situation than that now. There was some rule of law when those two went to prison. They likely wouldn't go today. They weren't just some "faces"; they were the primary people responsible for the crimes.

The murderers of Renee Good and Alex Pretti aren't in jail.

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FishFacereply
piefed.social

So, "yes a single person". Also Ghislaine was prosecuted. Glad we're on the same page there.

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lemmy.world

And just like Epstein, she's getting all kinds of special treatments. Not nearly as egregious as Epstein got, but there's still way too much preferential handling of her food and accomodations.

But awesome, you're up to 2 people charged in a massive conspiracy to rape children. Cool cool cool cool cool.

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I am sure the only reason Maxwell hasn't russuicided like epstein is she has compromising information that would be released on her death. Epstein probably had that too until the president and his pals talked to Israeli intelligence and cut a deal with them. Maxwell likely has her own people, as if this is some Robert Ludlum novel.

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lemmy.world

So you'd agree then that no single person that really matters has been prosecuted then? Because the OP was slightly mistaken that no single person was charged. But hey, they got the 2 faces and none of the people facilitating or buying the services for the rich and powerful, so the rape gang can keep on keeping on.

But yeah, you got'em!

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No I think it's very important that Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell, two child sex traffickers, former also a child sexual abuser, were convicted and imprisoned. They were not the "two faces", they were facilitating (and in Epstein's case, partaking in) the illegal, immoral acts we're talking about.

You don't know if the rape gang carried on. You've got no evidence for it. That doesn't mean it didn't happen, but it's just wrong to say without evidence.

Saying it contributes to a world where it's normal to just accuse people of shit. It doesn't only blow onto the wealthy and the powerful who you think are bad - the giant paedophile conspiracy theory which you're subscribing to helped elect Trump. It never mattered that Trump was mentioned in the files - it never mattered what was true because people like the OP, people like you, chat a load of shit and think it's ok. You can do better.

That is why I care about it. So no, I didn't got'em, because you don't get it.

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lemmy.world

This is the second most autistic conversation I've had today. Please allow me to rephrase the conversation till now.

" No one was arrested"

" One person was arrested"

"ONLY one person was arrested because they're specifically NOT arresting anybody else. This is what we're complaining about"

" So you agree one person was arrested?"

Like yes, we agree with you about the unimportant point that a nonzero amount of people were arrested, which specifically was NOT what OP meant, ya silly literalist.

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FishFacereply
piefed.social

I think it's important to be truthful, and I also think it's important that Epstein and Maxwell were both sent to jail.

And I think it's even more important to push back against statements that are made not for their truth but just for their vibes, and the idea that calling out their lack of truth is somehow an opposition to the vibe. You can just say something true that expresses your feelings adequately, and it doesn't contribute to an environment where truth doesn't matter.

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See, that's where I disagree. I think we should take that time that we're using to self-police people on our side and their language, and then spend that time beating the shit out of Nazis. Verbally, of course.

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Because he has blackmail on the president, not because he was a child trafficker. He got like a could weeks of community service for that one... By the guy who later became a member of PEDOnald's cabinet

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sh.itjust.works

The dude that took that email was on his work computer at Harvard! Fucking wild.

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People do be like that, esp. back then. It somehow ties in with the whole "I got nothing to hide (and don't you dare sniffing around)" attitude.

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Not necessarily: the university just provides an email server, it doesn't mean that the email can only be checked while on the premises.

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lemmy.ml

Entire intelligence agencies will try to hack into your communications to ensure that cat does not resembles supreme commander. At the same time ignoring that dude which paid 5 bucks in taxes, has private island and absolutely not sus traffic from all over the world.

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lemmy.world

They had hard evidence of the Epstein classes crimes for DECADES.

At this point it should be self evident that the global intelligence community — likely including the agencies responsible for CSAM — are corrupt to their core and all compromised by the Epstein class of lawless billionaire psychopaths. It's highly likely Epstein and Trump's entire pedo sex trafficking ring was created by American/Israeli intelligence orgs to extort and blackmail globally, considering Ghislaine Maxwells dad was so high up that every living Israeli PM attended his funeral; some giving speeches alluding to his espionage.

Just like the police, these secret police exist to protect and defend capital. Capital IS "national security". They don't give a shit about laws, morality, democracy, or any of the other virtue signals Hollywood et al perpetuate. If they did, they wouldn't have ignored the evidence about hundreds of billionaire pedophiles, for DECADES.

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Serinusreply
lemmy.world

the agencies responsible for CSAM — are corrupt to their core

No. They mostly do good work. I don't believe the people going to the island were generally passing around large amounts of CSAM sourced publicly, like forums or Reddit.

I'm so tired of people just taking the vibes they want from words and ignoring the meaning of full sentences. It's a form of illiteracy.

I get that we're angry.

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If our most top secret entities are corrupted by pedophiles — have enabled and protected pedophiles for decades — what are the chances that other high-profile secretive targets, like the agencies that deal with CSAM, are not?

We're talking about a tool that has been proposed for client-side scanning of every computer. You really think these people wouldn't plan to get involved to ensure their own devices are excluded, or any logs that relate to them never get passed onto other law enforcement?

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lemmy.ca

Mitch Webber's original email to him was essentially "yeah you're golden, fuck as many minors as you like, just bring them to another state first". And he still seems to have kept his job at (checks notes) an antisemitism group.

...what would happen if one were to transport a minor for sex — or transport oneself with the intent to have sex with a minor — into a state in which the age of consent is below eighteen (assuming the minor is above the age of consent in the given state)? And your intuition was right. The answer is that there is no violation of law.”

Let's be clear: everyone has a right to be represented by a lawyer in court, and we shouldn't judge lawyers for defending rapists because they're literally their job. But that's not what's happening here; this is him actively helping Epstein figure out the best way to rape children.

https://jewishpostandnews.ca/uncategorized/antisemitism-group-keeps-board-member-who-emailed-epstein-on-the-legality-of-transporting-minors-for-sex/

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Skullgridreply
lemmy.world

he still seems to have kept his job at (checks notes) an antisemitism group.

to be clear, this is a group for prevention of antisemitism and not a group who aims to be antisemitic, right?

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andros_rexreply
lemmy.world

“Antisemitism” has been redefined to mean opposition to the genocide of Palestinians.

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Skullgridreply
lemmy.world

well, don't stoop to their level. innocent jews still exist.

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rumbareply
lemmy.zip

innocent jews still exist.

Absolutely, and I'd say even the majority. Sadly, the non-innocent ones have just devalued the definition of antisemitism so harshly that it cannot be used anymore without the assumption of bad connotation. I would recommend coming up with a new, more specific term that can't be used as a genocide shield.

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Indeed, and the word doesn't fit anyway. Arabs are a semetic peoples. Bigotry takes many forms, but idk if hating a country's actions would fit into any of them in an honest definition. It's not xenophobia to oppose the actions of a government, I don't know what type of bigotry would even be close.

Because opposing official actions of a country, is not bigotry. Opposing the actions of a people, is not bigotry under any reasonable definition unless you are opposing it because of whom they are.

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andros_rexreply
lemmy.world

It’s just fucked that in a time where Nick Fuentes is getting mainstream airtime, organizations which claim to fight antisemitism are often more concerned with justifying Gaza.

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there are people like Ben Shapiro that are on the same side as those bastards while emphasizing the "JUDEO" part of "JUDEO-Christian values" which , btw, is a term that has been engineered specifically to exclude islam out of the group of "Abrahamic religions", and/or to shove jews into the same bucket as the majority when "christian values" would be used instead.

it's fucking dog whistles all the way down.

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skisnowreply
lemmy.ca

Ostensibly, yes. As far as I can tell from their entry in influencewatch they also do something called "pro-Israel legal advocacy", but I don't know what that is. Either way it's not a great look having Epstein's consigliere on board.

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Israel is pretty antisemitic. They kill lots of semitic arabs. And pro-israel groups tend to condone or excuse all that semite-killing, which is pretty antisemitic.

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Legal advocacy for Israel is likely very dark stuff, to name a few possibilities here, the new anti protest laws states passed around 2018 deserve mention along with their campaigns to turn the opposition to big money and Israel into domestic terrorists. They have laws on the tamer end that cancel the bill of rights and make it against the law to support the boycott movement. Some just for state contracts, but some go farther, either way it's punishing 1st amendment protected activity.

The advocacy can be connected to their pursuit of critics under accusations of supporting terrorism and financing, and advocacy can be pressuring prosecutors, politicians, judges, the media, etc. to take the position that there is a terror angle. At which point they could take all of their assets, arrest everyone tangentially involved, seize those tangential peoples' assets, get them all fired, could file rico to boot, private or public and expand it out further with a friendly judge.[

There are also new laws from around 2018 that illegalize protest. These were orchestrated by fossil fuel companies in response to oil project protests and the like mostly. A lot of the more shitholier states passed them. Some, I think AZ might be one, it was reported in the Intercept I could find it, make organizers responsible for anything and everything that happens at a protest. There was a lot more to them than that. Impeding critical infrastructure is like a serious felony if not domestic terrorism with it. Chaining yourself to an oil pipeline under construction could see you in prison for life with all of your assets stolen and those of everyone you have any connection to basically. Being told to leave an area and not doing it immediately, or being accused of not doing it, is a serious felony if not terror. They are a further repudiation of the 1st amendment.

So an Israel protest they could have their own guy punch someone, the organizers could be charged, and face ruinous 100k fines and the like if I recall. It is just built for agents of the groups being accused to create and incident and destroy the organizers, and others involved in the protest. Or blocking a road, crossing the street could get you accused of blocking it and you are a terrorist or at the least a person facing 30 years in prison or whatever and hundreds of thousands in fines.

I am not sure if the greenpeace rico kangaroo court ruling used these new laws in north dakota, but that is sort of how it will play out. Basically going forward you can't have any established group sponsor or even endorse a protest.

Even if the charges don't stick it's ruinous to be charged and they know that, and the Israeli superfans are as vicious and capricious as they come, pleasuring in their impunity as the chosen people (of the US Government,) that are above law and given absolute power over American politics. A notion only we dispute.

https://theintercept.com/2019/08/19/oil-lobby-pipeline-protests/ Same issue different article than I read, search engines don't try to find what you ask anymore they give you one close, maybe, from the publication you are asking. Problem started for me in 2021 before that it worked I could find any article with knowledge from memory.

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From the about dialog:

“What is this?

You're browsing Epstein's email inbox.

The Jmail Suite is an interactive archive of Jeffrey Epstein's emails, documents, photos, and more. Data compiled from the House Oversight Committee, Department of Justice, and DDoSecrets releases.”

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nord.pub

It's probably what has surprised me the most about all this, how much has happened on free hosted email accounts.

I guess it means that privacy from human eyes (i.e. not automated scanning) is pretty good. Or Google/Yahoo is in on a conspiracy but I can't imagine regular operations staff being made aware of it.

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Doesn’t have to be regular ops staff. Might be that some accounts are flagged as exempt because they’re too rich and special. Someone gets a list of those accounts and just plug it in somewhere.

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lemmy.world

It's highly likely that Epstein and Trumps entire operation was created with the support and cooperation of American and Israeli "intelligence" orgs. Basically, the intelligence agencies are compromised by billionaire pedophiles. They exist to protect and defend the capital of the billionaire pedophiles. In capitalism, the profits of the billionaire class IS "national security".

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It is certain, we know this was Israeli intelligence, the CIA had to be involved, through action or inaction, this is their reason for being, preventing politicians and business leaders from being blackmailed by foreign leaders. This is the kind of thing that would justify extreme prejudice with foreign agents that were blackmailing politicians, and would've been if...

If what? Why was the CIA complicit in what could only be described as an unforgivable betrayal of the United States. Did Israeli intelligence first compromise the CIA chief, then use that to compromise everyone else? It would've had to be a number of higher ups in the CIA however, and the FBI. There are a number of people that could've dropped a dime on this but didn't apparently, so there was a structure in place to dissuade anyone from not going along with this Betrayal.

Obviously some would've been true believers, and all in those positions chosen to not have high minded ideals but to defer to authority and the chain of command.

But the CIA and FBI directors, and other deputies at a minimum, were complicit through action or inaction that is without question, and the CIA director is absolutely culpable directly. Maybe Hoover's old blackmail file?

That's it. There was a rumour about that too, Hoover's blackmail being stolen by some shady group, it was in a robert ludlum novel, which I didn't read, in that they killed him, when he was old already, making it look natural, and used the blackmail file for nefarious purposes. In Ludlum's books it's usually some nazi aligned industrialists. Not far off the mark.

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Do however keep in mind that the entire intent here seemed to be the creation of blackmail, it's not just banality of evil but also ol Jeffy making sure that the dark desires of his marks was properly documented for mossad or whoever he was being funded by. He wasn't worried about being caught by the state, he was an actor of the state.

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It's the reason there's so many pictures of Epstein photobombing near celebrities. And the celebrities knew it.

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Typo aside, that's a wild claim. He's not using any drivers with BLObs? Show me the hardware, please.

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Epstein was an Israeli government asset. He knew he would be protected. He didn't need opsec.

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lemmy.sdf.org

I’ve been hearing that, but only from random comments here and there. Is there an authoritative article somewhere?

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lemmy.ml

you heard wrong. Epstein had extensive connections to Israel, much more than he had with Russia.

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lemmy.world

Sufficently advanced hubris is indistiguishable from incompetence.

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Sigh.

*looks around for the STOLEN stamp..* pretty sure I’ve put that somewhere around here.

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lemmy.world

The fact that all these communications were pulled from GMail and presumably known to law enforcement for years shows its not signal.

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xorolloreply
leminal.space

Email is never private. The protocol is not secure. You have to add an encryption layer on top to get that, and it's annoying to manage.

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The point I'm making is Gmail is in the cloud and the feds got all the logs. Encryption is one way to protect email. Another is use a server in another jurisdiction. But neither is comparable to Signal.

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titanicxreply
lemmy.zip

Why does everyone keep saying Gmail? Did no one read his email address? It clearly says Yahoo....

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Epstein had other email addresses like [email protected]. It largely doesn't matter other than it being kind of stupid to be using a US based cloud email server when the warrants come in.

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It's like that saying about owing the bank money, if it's small amounts, you have a problem, if tens of billions, it's the bank's problem.

So it goes for being an Israeli honeypot entrapping politicians and swells into raping children and other perversions (and tax evasion,) on camera. You catch one of them doing it is your problem if caught. If you catch a critical mass of them doing it, on camera, it's their problem.

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Complete arrogance about ever getting caught because you have blackmail on everyone is the signal of the rich.

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lemmy.world

That quote could mean a lot of things /s

It reminds me of my coke dealer

Me: drugs? Him: drugs.

Then I swing by. Say what you will about hard drugs least I’m not out looking for teenagers. What do you even talk to teenager about, even coked out. School?

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Me: drugs? Him: drugs.

To be fair, that's simultaneously specific enough that there's no risk of miscommunication AND vague enough that it's of absolutely no use to any narcs spying on your correspondence 😘👌 😄

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lemmy.world

This looks more like he's discussing defenses to his case with his lawyer.

Look at the e-mail that Epstein replied to, it seems to be specifically related to discussing his case. This appears to be from his lawyer

Remember, though, that sex trafficking is inapplicable in your case. As I wrote in my August 11 memo, "In Epstein's case, (1) he never transported any girl across state lines, and (2) he never traveled with the intent of soliciting prostitution from underage girls. (Because section 2423(b) is essentially an 'attempt' statute, it requires specific intent of wrongdoing. See, e.g., United States v. Sims, 428 F.3d 945, 959-60 (10th Cir. 2005).)

Then the e-mail in the OP is sent.

It's gross, but my initial reading was that he's creating a plan to travel and is trying to dodge laws. However, in reading the full context, it seems more like they're talking about his cases.

e: as discovered below, this e-mail is from August 2006, he was arrested 1 month before this, so this e-mail is almost certainly about his case and not about trying to find loopholes to do more crimes.

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hectorreply
lemmy.today

You can't say Epstein didn't do those things. Prosecutors saying those things covering for themselves is the least reliable source in the world. As if there was nothing they could do even if they knew, which how could they know?

All bullshit. They knew, or should've known. Acosta knew, bailed him out of state charges by getting them to defer to the feds then giving him a sweetheart deal. The only information they looked at was the stuff they couldn't ignore because the Miami Herald.

The only reason any of this stopped was because the Miami Herald's dogged reporting and the brave victims that brought this all to light. Prosecutors deserve less than zero credit, they covered for these politically connected rapists every step of the way.

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FauxLivingreply
lemmy.world

I have no idea what you're even responding to, did you reply to the wrong comment?

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hectorreply
lemmy.today

Sorry I didn't make clear I was refuting the text you quoted from the material, the "you" being the author of that. The prosecutors and other establishment types are the last ones to trust on Epstein as their careers were made or broken on covering or crossing.

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Oh yeah, the whole case was intentionally bungled for reasons that seem more obvious now.

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Money is the surest way to get impunity, but not the only way. You could also become a cop.

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lemmy.ca

Sure, but you’re not an agent of the state and are more likely to be arrested for your cat videos than Epstein was about pedophilia.

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This is absolutely disgusting. But I'll repeat what I already said under a similar post:

And once again it’s not about Trump, though I’m sure he’s in it with no less disgusting communications, pictures, maybe even moving pictures.

We already know that Jeffrey was a horrible human being.

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Is the boot partition on a separate drive because the unencrypted partition would somehow reveal information about the drive that could be used to analyze the encrypted portions?

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naoreply
sh.itjust.works

Someone could install something on the unencrypted boot partition to leak the key next time it gets used

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Would this not apply even if the unencrypted boot partition is on another physical drive? You still have to enter the passphrase into the prompt at boot. Wouldn't a compromised boot partition be able to access the passphrase in memory at that time, and use that to access the key?

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naoreply
sh.itjust.works

It would, but I assumed the idea was to have the external drive with you at all times so no one could tamper with it. Otherwise I don't see the benefit, a permanently connected external drive may as well be internal.

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lemmy.ml

Or rather the feds that are reading data on these email servers are on their side so they have nothing to fear.

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In an alternate universe, we would now be reading the ChatGPT prompts that Epstein typed and would be absolutely horrified at the depravity unfolding. Imagine the guy without the restraint of having to talk to actual humans.

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piefed.social

I still don't think you should fuck kids even if your disks are encrypted

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Indeed, that was Epstein's whole thing, he kidded a lot of people. He liked to kid around with politicians, royals, billionaires, executives. All the Ivy league swells.

And boy did those swells love to be kidded. Mandleson of the labour party in the UK just a couple of years back was unapologetic about his undying love for Epstein when asked about his sincere concern and well wishes to Epstein just in the last number of years, and he told reporters if they didn't like it they could "go fuck themselves."

But that's not a one off, the people partying with him really liked him, not just for shielding their assets with tax avoidance, which was epstein's official thing. They all kidded around together and had a grand time. Not a single one has faced a real consequence yet either.

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lemmy.world

To be fair. (Ewww that sounds so gross in this context) But that email was from 2006. Like... The first iPhone came out in 2006.

You just sent emails back then... The tech to monitor said emails wasn't there yet. At least not in the way we have it now.

All I'm saying is that back in 2006 I can see this happening.

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skisnowreply
lemmy.ca

The tech to monitor said emails wasn’t there yet.

LOL wut. email has always been the least secure medium going. If anything email is probably more secure now than it was in 2006. The only reason anyone in 2006 would think it was guaranteed privacy is if they just didn't know anything about email.

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Back around the 2000s when these executive type people, and rich, or government official did get caught for something, and rare though it was it still happened more often back then, it always seemed to include dumbass emails those people sent. I think the Enron guys were sending emails openly criming and scamming for instance.

It's that they were too arrogant to think anyone would dare to look and do anything about it. They were mostly right then but more right now. Worst case scenario now they have to make an ill founded investment in a company a fixer/lawyer tells them about, that money is lost, and travels through layers of shell companies and llc's, and ends up in accounts controlled by the president, and the relevent prosecutors and cops.

I'm not even joking I guarentee the corruption is that widespread now, it is basically a political machine from the robber baron days.

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lemmy.world

In 2006, email monitoring was nowhere near what it is today. Filters existed, but they were largely keyword and pattern based, think regex and spam signatures. There was no large scale semantic analysis, no contextual language understanding, and no practical NLP capable of inferring intent. Compute and storage constraints alone made deep inspection of email bodies impractical at scale. Most enforcement relied on metadata headers, IPs, sender reputation, not true content comprehension. Comparing 2006 capabilities to modern transformer based language analysis is simply ahistorical.

But yes Gmail is so much more secure now. You know, Gmail as in Google Mail, the largest marketing firm in existence, capable of serving personalized advertisements simply by scanning the contents of your email.

Your confidence is directly proportional to how incredibly wrong you are.

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skisnowreply
lemmy.ca

Oh wow you were almost interesting but then you decided to close by being a raging dickhead for absolutely no good reason. Touch grass.

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You literally started your comment with "lol wut"?

My condensation is quite warranted. I simply addressed your misplaced confidence and you didn't like it. I have absolutely no responsibility to be nice to you.

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These people don't give a shit about age of consent, and can act with impunity as long as their targets are vulnerable or poor. I was abused as a kid and my abuser said "as long as you don't die or go missing nobody will care" and that's basically true.

Most sex tourism happens in the global south, particularly in Asia, because that's where more poor people are.

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These people don't give a shit about age of consent

I mean, thats what abuse is all about. Its everyone that's prone to it; they abused just about everyone adult women, teens and children. It also checks out that all of the individuals that where either adults or teenagers where poor.

They have basically enabled involuntary non-consentual prostitution, and no one is batting an eye. We really live in a world where the elite can be excused of their heinous crimes.

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Ex Nummisreply
lemmy.world

Epstein famously flew them to his Island on his Lolita express. There was no law enforcement there as it was all private. That's one way to flaunt international laws.

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That it is illegal and morally repugnant is the point per se. It's what they can get away with and brag about to their rich buddies and face no consequences as opposed to poor folks.

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pawb.social

I don't really think that's completely correct tbh. For some people it will for sure be that way, but there are lots of people who are very aroused by kids specifically, not just the thrill of getting away with a crime

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The subset of people who act on those abhorrent drives because of powerplay facilitated by wealth (or other power imbalances) is larger than those that act on it because their inherrent need but lack the means: the former contains people who would otherwise never considered such transgressions. If I'm not making much sense perhaps I can try to formulate it like this: the minimum age someone considers acceptable decreases with each million they accumulate, starting with some base age. That base age might or might not be already below what is socially or legally accepted.

Power corrupts. Becoming extremely wealth is becoming mentally ill (or the other way around) and it's time people see it like that instead of a fucking virtue.

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the former contains people who would otherwise never considered such transgressions

That's a pretty bold claim - what's your basis for saying that?

I think I broadly understand your point and generally agree with you, just trying to understand your position

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