Spyke

It was never the avacodo toast preventing millenials from buying a house. It was the $34 Billion they each spent every year on booze.

If only they knew how to budget.

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lemmy.world

Considering half of Gen Z isn't even legal drinking age yet, this isn't too surprising.

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Plus with declining birthrates in developed countries there are probably fewer overall Gen Z people than older cohorts. So even if they drank at the same rate you could still expect the absolute amount of alcohol consumption to be lower.

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Otizreply
sopuli.xyz

By that logic it should be around 10B by now

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People in their 20s tend to buy well drinks and cheap beer unless they're independently wealthy. Older people tend to have more expensive, or at least more specific, preferences.

Raw spending doesn't mean much in isolation.

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No because the half that currently can't drink might drink twice as much

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Also, THC drinks are all over the US now and very popular. Most of my (young millennial) friends there barely drink alcohol and have swapped them with gummies and seltzers.

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"Fading", more like jumped off a cliff.

There is no safe amount of alcohol to drink.

Everyone is broke.

They watched their parents make asses of themselves while drunk, and today everyone has a video camera in their hand.

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lemmy.nz

Because they’re weak.

In all seriousness, income has stayed about the same in nominal terms, but the cost of living has gone way up even between millennials and gen z. So really income has gone down and booze is much more of a luxury.

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lemmy.world

There’s part of it but also anecdotally a lot of us are aware that alcohol in pretty much any quality has negative effects and therefore don’t drink at all. There’s a lot less pressure to drink than in expect there was for other generations, it’s pretty normal for me to meet other people who prefer not to drink.

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mkwtreply
lemmy.world

alcohol in pretty much any quality has negative effects

The key is that this guidance came out somewhere between millennial and gen z coming of age.

When I was a child the TV news would run "health" stories about how moderate amounts of red wine are good for you. It turned out those studies were funded by the alcohol industry.

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proudblondreply
lemmy.world

Man I went to a party last week, had one glass of red wine and no other alcohol, and woke up the next morning with a killer headache. I’m 42 and not much of a drinker but this kind of reaction made me think it was specifically the red wine. I ain’t doing that again for a long while, if ever.

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Delphiareply
lemmy.world

Now this is a half remembered anecdote so... pinch of salt.

But I do remeber something about some people having negative reactions to the tannins in red wine. So it might not so much be the alcohol.

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Low quality wine is much worse than its alcohol content.

Random personal anecdote: I can’t drink stout beers anymore. A single one gives me the worst hangovers. Same quantity of alcohol in other beverages doesn’t have nearly the same effects.

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Drug use, and especially problematic drug use, has low price elasticity and the US is a relatively high-income country. The cost of living is almost certainly a negligible factor in the decline of alcohol consumption.

Although most of the gains have gone to top earners, US real median household income has trended slightly upwards over time and is not "way [down]."

Moreover, high-income European countries where even fewer people are budget-constrained when it comes to drug use have also seen dramatic declines in alcohol consumption.

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Normalize it for age. How much did GenX spend at 22 vs GenZ? It could be similar, but it’s not clear. Of course old people have more disposable income once the mortgage is paid off and GenZ can’t get a mortage, just an expensive rental.

There’s a big drop off in drinking overall and it’s a good thing. Yet genZ is back on nicotine.

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lemmy.ml

Yeah, I know some Gen Z college kids, and I will attest they definitely spend significant money on alcohol. And cigarettes.

I wouldn't be surprised if the vice money is just split between alcohol, cigarettes, weed, vape carts, and adderall. So, just diluted.

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kungenreply
feddit.nu

Is illicit Adderall in the US "real"? Or are they usually pressed fakes?

I never understood why speed is/was so uncommon when I was in the US a long time ago. I was offered basically everything there, but never normal speed (without methamphetamine in it) like in Europe.

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Idk. I think people get legitimate prescriptions and sell pills, mostly. If it's not buying from someone you know who sourced them that way, idk how you'd verify it's what they say it is.

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lemmy.world

Nobody has healthcare, housing is unaffordable, we pay for everything with our tax dollars but all the profits go to corrupt pedofiles, Peter Thiel and Larry Ellison are turning the country into a mass surveillance prison for us to live in, there’s no laws for the rich, the earth is dying because the pedofile class doesn’t give a fuck about anything except doing as much evil as possible, there’s a genocide going on and 95% of American politicians are giving away unlimited amounts of our tax dollars to fund it and for the genocidal country to have universal healthcare and free college and a $400 monthly payment per child, the same politicians want to make it illegal to talk about or boycott Israel for their crimes, Trump has the nuclear codes, a secret police force is disappearing people and shooting people who are exercising their first amendment rights women’s rights are being stripped away and a lot of the boys and men are cheering…..I could go on and on but the reason is there’s nothing to celebrate

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In Germany, we have the word "schönsaufen", which means something along the line of "drinking until something or someone ugly looks pretty" and I think that's beautiful.

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Elder millennial here.

…that just about sums it up. Well done.

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what about chocolate, and smiling more. Have you tried those?

smh

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My alcohol consumption has dropped directly because of this. I use to get a six pack and a bottle of wine and go out a few times a month and now I literally can't afford any of it.

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lol this thread not realizing it's a shitpost, half of gen z have not make it to drinking age and this data could be years old

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kungenreply
feddit.nu

Stimulants like Adderall and Xanax are often misused to cope with academic and social pressures.

I never knew benzodiazepines were stimulants.

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lemmy.world

They're not? But they do help with the anxiety of academic and social pressures

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Fedizenreply
lemmy.world

It should say "Stimulants like adderal and depressents like Xanax are used to cope wiyh academic and social pressures"

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They wouldn't be broke if they weren't such lazy moochers and worked real jobs!

^/s^ ^just^ ^in^ ^case^

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On July 1, 2024, the census estimates of the number of each generation of drinking age, if I'm reading this Excel spreadsheet correctly:

Gen Z (born between 1997 and 2012, but as of 2024 the only legal drinking age was those born between 1997 and 2003): 31.3 million

Millennial (born between 1981 and 1996): 74.1 million

Gen X (born between 1965 and 1980): 65.6 million

Boomers (born between 1946 and 1964): 66.9 million

So assuming that 20-somethings have less money to spend on expensive alcohol, and recognizing that Gen Z has less than half the drinking age population as the other generations, it's not surprising for that generation to spend less on alcohol, even if their habits weren't different than the older generations.

Now, their habits actually are different, so that might stretch things further. But a better way to present the data would be adjusted per capita. And maybe looking at historical data about when prior generations were the same age.

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Excellent, I was thinking the same thing. If a graph shows that big a difference, it usually means that it is exploiting some not displayed variable to get the difference. Kids these days need to learn to spot such things.

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the theory that distinct generational behaviors can be bounded in ~15 year increments (which you display nicely above) has always seemed a bit off to me.

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Sazrukreply
lemmy.wtf

The mileage you can get out of $20 of weed is substantially more than $20 of wine, even with taxes and price inflation

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You can get 2 bottles each of which can be about 4 servings over 3 days per bottle.

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Drinking is so ingrained in human culture that people often get into it because of social pressure.
That's why it's given special treatment in comparison with drugs like weed, even though it's more dangerous.

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Binettereply
lemmy.ml

I had, until I tasted alcohol. You'd think something that ruins lives would at last had a taste that justified it.

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There's this neat life hack where you drink enough and forget all about the taste - and most of the previous night, to boot!

I don't actually drink though, tastes like shit.

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tastes more like hand sanitizer, but I like the taste of hand sanitizer so I'll drink it, but it's also too expensive

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Have you seen the price of a beer now? Each night at the pub ends up being $100+

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But it's true in gen Z outside US as well. So something like affordability is a problem globally for them.

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Millennial here. Pressure was there to drink when growing up. College everyone was boozing. You were weird if you didn't booze.

Times are different now and the pressure is off. I think this will be huge, plus weed is a way better vice. Hangover is basically zero, no long term effects with heavy use, and generally a fun time.

Rather debate the moon's creation than drag Becky out to the car again and hope she doesn't puke in my car.

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I would assume it’s because most of them are still children.

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Alcohol costs money. Middle class is dead. Probably will see a lot more people making homemade things.

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lemmy.ml

I know this is a shitpost but I've noticed that since the covid lockdown, a lot of my Gen-X friends and colleagues have quit drinking. Not a majority, but enough for me to notice. The boomers I know never slowed down...at all. Has anyone else noticed a drop in alcohol consumption within your social circles?

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ShadowZonereply
lemmy.world

GenXer here. I started drinking due to social pressure almost 30 years ago. I basically completely stopped already before covid. My wife is the same. On occasion one or two drinks when going out, but we don't have anything at home. My cousin (similar age) and her husband went completely dry.

I think it's more of an awareness of the health risks (also huge "don't drink and drive" campaigns when I was reaching drinking age), add to that if we're honest it doesn't really taste that good, enduring a hangover is nothing to look forward to and also (at least in my case) I am fed up with how our society still looks weird at people that just don't want to drink. Screw everyone who asks two or three times if someone says they want a non-alcoholic beverage or, even worse, makes stupid jokes, mostly to feel better about their own addiction.

Sorry got a bit heated at the end. My son recently reached legal drinking age, does not want to drink and is being pressured by peers to start drinking. Luckily he is mentally strong enough to tell them to go suck a duck.

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lemmy.world

Now hang on a second there. We gotta get one thing straight!

.........did the duck consent to being sucked?

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I stopped drinking when covid hit. Turns out I was a social drinker, and I never got back on the wagon.

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I've seen the opposite, and when I got my physical my doctor definitely supported that everyone has been drinking a lot more than previous. I'd say my use ticked down during lockdown but up afterwards 🤷‍♂️

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Most Gen Z-ers can't legally buy alcohol yet.
And illegal consumption doesn't make it into the statistic.

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lemmy.zip

I hate to break it to you but the oldest of gen z start turning 30 next year...

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lemmy.zip

57 actually. That's why the numbers are so high for boomers and Gen x, we have to get them to buy the booze for us.

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Noodle07reply
lemmy.world

They have to buy the booze cuz you're even poorer than them

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icelimitreply
lemmy.ml

What about the youngest? I never know where cut off is.

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I thought the cutoff was 2010, but apparently it's 2012, so the youngest are 14. Each generation spans about 15 years.

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Bingo. Yet another example of an age effect being attributed to a generational difference. I’m so tired of these horoscope-like characterizations of people

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I suspect that smoking weed has replaced a lot of drinking for much of GenZ.

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Sure a per capita (18+) comparison would be more useful than NET expenditure? It might be lower but there are too many possible variables that aren't accounted for.

For example the graph below seems to indicate younger audiences drink dramatically less beer and wine than older generations, but dramatically more Hard Seltzers than Baby Boomers.

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lemmy.world

Why doesn't this just have a combined category so we can figure out how many drink rather than what they drink

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And also, those years aren't exactly right for the generational categories. Millennials are 1980-1996, boomers are 1946-1964, etc.

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lemmy.world

IDK Im an older millenial and pretty much stopped drinking a decade ago. Never had a problem, but I just got too busy going back to school and working full time. Then I started noticing how many people I knew who were using it as a crutch to get through the week. Others were amazed when I said I couldn't remember the last time I drank. It just started to really turn me off drinking once I noticed how seemingly everyone had a terrible relationship with alcohol.

Now I drink again but not much. i buy a small box of wine to make a recipe every now and then and will drink the leftover glass or two. In the summer I feel a beer goes well with yard work but i buy a sixpack or two all summer and probably have leftovers come fall. Ocassionally I'll go out and have a beer with people. All in all maybe $100-$200 a year but probably less

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CCMan1701Areply
startrek.website

Where i live alcohol isn't available in the grocery store. So I basically stopped because I was too lazy to go too a separate store for something I didn't really need. There are sooo meny other drinks available now that taste wonderful with no alcohol.

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My mom and dad and myself and my younger brother are all alcoholics. Two of us have recovered, two of us have not.

My youngest brother is on the spectrum and refuses to touch alcohol at all because he's watched it destroy lives and steal souls.

That's how this chart plays out in my family., ymmv.

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At least some of us are, yes. Im generally considered gen Z and ive been legally allowed to drink for years

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The last gen z are nearly finished with high school. The oldest gen alpha kids are in high school. We're a year into gen beta being born.

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I've seen the line drawn a few different places, but generally Gen Z starts at around 1996-1998 or so. In any case, the oldest Gen Z have been drinking age for a while.

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Well apparently smoking is making a comeback thanks to GenZ, if we have to believe the media.

I think they get their buzz from vaping

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IIIreply
lemmy.world

Gen Z refers to the demographic cohort born roughly between 1997 and 2012. So ages 13 to 28. Seven years of data is a fine enough sample set.

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Internet and games. Stay inside sober and have fun - including chatting with possible partners - instead of going out drinking trying to get laid.

/GenX who did the drinking variant. Gen Z has it better.

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Legitimately I think it's because Gen Z and below are horribly anxious and not very social. We really fucked these kids' confidence over at every opportunity and now we're wondering why they're not going out to parties and stuff and why they're not really dating.

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Why spend on alcohol when I can buy more books, games, travel the world or join a sports club instead of damaging my own body and end up paying more with hospital bills later in life?

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Cocaine, cannabis, lack of money, and the rest having enough braincells to have a healthy and suistanable diet

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lemmy.today

tiktok and youtube thats why. that pretty much is the new alcohol. Also things GLP-1, omezpic, and WEGOVY also is a threat to alcohol industry.

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plythreply
feddit.org

GLP-1, omezpic, and WEGOVY also is a threat to alcohol industry.

Why? Do thin people not drink?

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Ozempic and the like also affect impulse control (and a whole lot of other stuff, the health effect research is technically ongoing).

So if you're on it you don't feel the desire to snack, it helps you moderate yourself, and I guess it stands to reason it would lower the impulse to drink too.

Though I'm just guessing here, take this with a grain of salt.

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When I was 19 I could barely scrape together $22 for a 30 rack of something cheap.

When I was 14 I had never tried alcohol. Obviously the 21-25 crowd might be expected to spend slightly more on alcohol (maybe?) than the 26-30 crowd. But like even if Gen Z isn't drinking (which I hear is true) I wouldn't expect them to spend a lot on booze, for a host of reasons.

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infosec.pub

Isn't it common for people to start consuming alcohol with age? I found it disgusting still at 20

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lemmy.world

Not really. Teenagers and young adults used to party a lot, and those parties used to have a lot of alcohol

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Of course not. Healthcare in the USA is a nightmare.

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The generation that won't answer their phone or door and that doesn't spend much time with friends. You don't say.

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Yeah but how was the data collected? At bars and pubs? The cost of alcohol has always been pricey but its been very expensive for gen z. We had pre-drinks before going out and then didnt spend much at the pub coz we were already on a few things. Im in my 30s now and i still do predrinks before going somewhere or i just dont drink coz im not paying $20 for a shot of gin with some tonic water

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This is just because they don't get paid enough to afford it in the first place, so it never develops as a habit.

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I spent twenty bucks on alcohol in 2024. That was the first alcohol I had purchased since 2018. Gen X here.

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Fellow GenX here. A bottle of Jameson's was $20 just 2 years ago. Now it's $30. I only ever buy it on mega sale. Can't really afford to drink it that often, so I save it for special occasions. $10 more may not sound like a lot to some but to me it's the cost of dinner for 2 nights.

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I'm surprised millennials didn't kick that habit. But it was bound to happen. Alcohol doesn't taste like something good at all.

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I'm wondering how this is calculated? Is the data tracked by IDs scanned and birthdays entered at registers?

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  • Gen Zs grew up watching all kinds of messages about drinking and driving, probably saw relatives screw up their lives with DUIs. Going out to drink isn't an attractive idea.

  • Gen Zs are the generation with the least acces to decent wages, and alcohol in restaurants and bars has become extremely expensive. Going out drinking costs way too much.

  • Weed is easily available, and far cheaper. You can easily blow $50 in a bar in one evening, while $50 can buy enough weed for a week, and you won't be waking up hungover every morning.

It's not just Gen Z, I'm an old guy, and I don't like to drink when I go out. I might have a beer with dinner, but never more than one. I'd never drink more than a couple and drive home. You can get a DUI even if you aren't feeling the effects, and I can't deal with that. I'll just drink at home.

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Can't speak for them Zoomers in the US, but my guess would be that Corona is responsible for the sharp decline. Most of GenZ reached drinking age around that time and boozing alone is by far not as fun as in a group.

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I suspect it has to do with what their primary activities are. Perhaps they're spending less time in groups and more time isolated, communicating digitally.

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Gen Z spent it all on avocado toast, so they'll have to make due with Olde English "800"

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