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Just in case anyone is not aware: This slogan is referring to collective punishment, which is a war crime. She is advocating for war crimes, shamelessly, in front of the populace.
Someone shoot that bitch. And tRump and the rest of the cunts around him.
Don't ask for her to be shot. That's unclassy and rude. Politely ask someone to Kirk her.
Get kirked
🫢why did I read that in the voice of Rick?!
“Get kiiirkt! Motherfucker! 🖕🏻🖕🏻 season 8! Rick and Morty!..” Etc.
And her husband (if there is someone that can stand her) can then start fucking someone else from the administration. So it is complete Kirking. Maybe Vance would be up for it? He seems to not care, as long as it's white.
War crimes against the people in her own country
War crimes only apply to war. For example, the use of chemical weapons is a war crime, but their use against your own population is apparently fine and dandy.
True, but I think that the point stands. Advocating for something that is a war crime, even while not at war, should be treated very seriously.
Of course it should be treated very seriously. It won't, but it should. The government threatening the people is literally what the 2nd amendment is about.
Fine and dandy
crimes against humanity
Sparkling crimes
Many things which would be war crimes if carried out by soldiers are legal if done by law enforcement against the people they're supposed to defend
Then they are crimes against humanity
Yeah, looks like I didn’t fully finish the thought in my head 😅 The seriousness of this situation cannot be overstated. It goes without saying that since taking office, the regime started their campaign of terror without hesitation, and have stepped it up by the day.
I want to clarify something that others aren't. Yes, things that would be war crimes aren't if not used in war, but this doesn't give a reason. A lot of them are to prevent mistakes in war, not because it's evil. For example, you aren't allowes to use chemicals that are often used on civilians, but it isn't because they're particularly harmful. It's because you don't know what they are until latter, so if you see it you may respond with your own chemical weapons, which may be harmful. This is just one example, but a lot of the time "war crimes" are there to prevent escalation, not because of how harmful they are. (Obviously some are because of the harm though.)
I tried to find a definition that would explain that and failed. Can you provide some source for that claim? What you refer to does seem to be a violation of warfare laws but not war crime, which is a violation of humanitarian law
holy fuck. Not even said, they made a fucking podium
To what was this a response? That people want to bring the Minnesota murderer to court?
That is the confusing thing, no one killed one of theirs. The most pain I’ve seen any of them in is when they’re unprepared for the MN winter.
They assume to be the victim at every turn, it's how they justify breaking the law and brutalizing/killing us.
Must be in response to everyone laughing at the ICE agent slipping on some, ice.
I just saw a podcast/yt vid today that had a segment on stats for how dangerous it's been for ICE since it was established. No ICE members have ever been killed or injured by immigrants.
Leading cause of death is covid-19 (perhaps unsurprising, considering all the antivax idiots who must overlap heavily), followed by cancer from 9/11. One guy died from accidentally shooting himself in the leg. The only case that even involved an immigrant is when an ICE guy died after chasing someone and had a heart attack.
https://youtu.be/NlM_H9rbwrI?t=2196
(timestamp aroud 36:30 if the link doesn't work)
They're laying the groundwork for when one of their untrained cowboys is killed by a civilian protecting themselves to justify their overblown response. Or to instill fear so it doesn't happen.
Yep. Force neighborhoods to suppress themselves.
Then we need to find and eliminate him instead
Yep.
And how would they react if protestors for Renee Good waved that slogan on a sign about ICE?
I don't understand why people would even be debating that.
if you write something out and display it, it is no different than saying it out loud. that's not debatable, that's just the way it is.
this is my take when you see the most asinine shit imaginable on the fediverse where it's mostly real flesh and blood humans. people bring their biases from getting gassed in comments sections from other places in the form of influence campaigns and then say that shit with their whole chest. i don't think this can really be fixed here on lemmy because of a variety of factors, i think the best that can be done is ensure that positive, anti-imperial, propaganda has presence that people can identify with and then get verbal confirmation of at group meetings for mutual aid or whatever
If it helps, in another post about if Renee Good's driving was a part of why she was executed, Lemmy commenters were complaining about if using Google to search online was acceptable.
It's kinda depressing honestly.
Attacking how communication is done instead of what's being communicated is a form of subversion the CIA uses to mess with foreign actors. The left and its tolerance towards others (e. g. misgendering by accident) is very susceptible to such attacks and they've let themselves be decimated on the public stage because of it.
What violence against ICE?
Doesn't matter about reality, they can respond to any thing they say, made up or not.
That's a false dichotomy: it's possible to argue about menial things AND conduct meaningful actions at the same time.
Also, the majority of Lemmy users are outside the US and have very little control over anything that has to do with US politics outside of urging Americans to get their shit together.
Its never okay to spread objectively false information. If they were directly quoting Nazis, I would be on the first plane out of here, leaving behind my family and all my property. When I first read this, my heart jumped, because I thought that's what I now I had to do.
But then I see that it isn't true. Yes, this is alarming and horrible, but do you really think it wouldn't be any more alarming if they were directly quoting Nazi slogans?
It's fucked up. No one is disagreeing with that. However, making shit up makes your argument weaker. The enemy will only have to point out that you're making it up to get people to ignore you then. This post is specifically about the made up thing. If it was about the podium then there wouldn't be an issue.
Be careful of false news that suits your narrative, it weakens our position.
That phrase has no known Nazi origin that I could find. As loath as I am to link to Reddit, there is a good write up here:
https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/1qbjtkr/is_the_phrase_one_of_ours_all_of_yours_an_old/
I'm inclined to give AskHistorians a pass. There is no community on Reddit that tries as hard as they do to moderate their way around the limitations of the platform and its management.
The verified posters tend to be millennial academics with masters or PhD's in history or closely related fields, and they take the name of the community seriously. You are there to ask a historian a question, and if none answers, then so be it.
And I agree, pushing past the obvious dog whistle to go somewhere the data doesn't lead is a way to weaken what should be a self-evidently powerful argument that the Trumpers are embracing ever-more-openly fascist positions on, well, everything.
I wholeheartedly agree.
Verified by whom?
Reddit as a whole is a consent manufacturing machine. These "verified" crap shoots, where every one of the "discussions" align with the confirmation bias of the people manufactured by people who want to curate the narrative doesn't have any credibility beyond people who are gullible or benefit from these narratives.
But you do you.
Literally have watched the typically accepted propaganda get removed quickly on that sub. Also had several conversations with mods when I was on there. Levelheaded and quite serious about their work. Literally the only sub that seemed to maintain ethics and consistency.
That being said, I’ve not been on there in a couple of years.
Verified by providing well sourced and reasoned answers. There are PhD contributors but mostly it's down to providing consistently providing context to an answer and not going off on some fringe tangent. It's easily the most heavily moderated subreddit.
"Why on reddit" comes up often and the answer has consistently (historically anyway) been that there isn't really a better long-form public outreach platform at the moment. Blogs are close don't have the same opportunity for followup questions and definitely don't have the same "drive-by" effect of just seeing it on the front page.
If you ever want to check, just dona search and set the range of dates to end before the current outrage.
Before January, I couldn't find a single use of that phrase on the internet.
But it's not some dog whistle, it's blatantly obvious what they're saying. Don't let them get it twisted up so that the only bad things are verbatim what nazis said.
Same. I did find a recent substack that acknowledges that this phrase as a reprisal war crime was not verbatim used by Nazi Germany, it was just "in the spirit" of how the Nazis did their war crimes.
https://brendonbeebe.substack.com/p/one-of-ours-all-of-yours-origins
https://www.ibtimes.co.uk/kristi-noem-dhs-podium-phrase-sparks-nazi-slogan-claimsheres-what-it-means-1770556
Yeah, except that article is incorrect. The whole thing is made up. That isn't a Nazi slogan and never was.
You didn't read it.
It's what they did
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lidice_massacre
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lidice_massacre
Good message. I agree.
However, their message is still abhorrent
Yeah, mods should probably delete the OP post imo... Its pretty bad to allow something blatantly false to spread like this. Especially looking at the upvote ratio.
Do none of you know what this is referring to? Okay, class time. Gather round, because I'm going to give you all a quick history lesson.
Oh, and you should check this out on the side. It will help with the learning.
I don't know about whether there's a connection between that slogan and the nazis, but the incident the slogan is allegedly coined from is definitely real.
The SS officer who was killed is Reinhard Heydrich, a SS officer who was high enough to be part of Hitler's inner circle. Heydrich is understood to be one of the principal architects of the Holocaust.
The village who had its male population (except for the children) wiped out as revenge for Heydrich's death is Lidice, in the modern Czech Republic.
By the way, you all should watch the movie Anthropoid. It goes over a dramatized version of the events.
And those who did survive got sent to concentration camps. Absolutely despicable behavior
Well that was fucking haunting. Ghouls
So many people in this post complaining that its misinformation because its not actually a quote because it wasnt spoken aloud or it doesnt actually come from the nazis. However. The Trump admin DID display this information WITH the intent to threaten the lives of all dissidents and almost certainly with the belief themselves that it comes from nazis, as they wholeheartedly stand on the side of nazis. This isnt misinformation, no matter how picky you want to be, and it is VERY relevant and important to share.
"This post which makes untrue claims isn't misinformation because it's heart is in the right place"
Behold: how conservatives became blindly accepting of any information as long as it fits their views
Sigh. I miss when Rage Against The Machine wasn't political.
What are you going to tell me next, that Tom Morello has a degree in political science? He should just stick to playing the guitar.
I understood that reference. Still cracks me up. What machine did he think they were raging against?
It's that home office printer, am I right?
Fuck you, I won't fill your cyan cartridge.
Rally round the paper feed. With a pocket full of clips. Ugh.
Actually, valid and more accurate to my currently greatest source of rage against (technical) machines you could know. Of all the projects I have to deal with at the moment, the one related to printers is my greatest frustration. Fuck printers, fuck printer software, fuck people using printers and fuck antiquated bureaucracy requiring so much physical paperwork still.
Hey, people are investing a lot of time to make sure CUPS works to some degree for at least some of the printers out there.
The fax machine.
The... um... the... printer... that ran out of ink? Maybe the microwave that made the plate hot, but the food is still cold?
Found Paul Ryan's lurk account
Congrats, Amerikkka! You finally managed to achieve socialism! The National kind of Socialism!
EDIT: Apparently, the joke is not evident enough so I have to explain it so I'm not called a right-winger:
There is a double reference in the comment:
I wrote "Amerikkka" with 3 K for the KKK. (First part of the joke) to call them KKK members.
Then I used National Socialism (notice the capitalized words) instead of just socialism or national socialism (without capitalized words) to reference the name nazis gave themselves, to calll them nazis.
I hope this clears it up. As people are talking about "nuance" that I seem to be lacking.
that's not socialism
Look for National Socialism. See if it checks.
Edit: Funny the amount of downvoters. Ignorance is bliss I guess.
maybe try and read a dictionary bud? sorry they downvoted you, but socialism is good, that isn't socialism
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazism
Smh. And I quote:
So you don't actually know what socialism is. If you did, you'd be the last one saying the Nazis were using the name correctly.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialism
Smh. And I quote:
To misuse names as labels contradictory to substance is a hallmark of propaganda. I don't fall for it. Just because Nazis want people to think they're just crunchy on the outside while remaining warm and caring on the inside and pick a name they think will do that for outsiders doesn't actually mean shit.
Nuance is important. Learn to look past the name.
How the fuck do you not see that you are the problem here? This was a very obvious joke about how Nazis named themselves National Socialists. How have you turned this into an argument? What the actual fuck is wrong with people on this website.
Says the one who was unable to get a joke comment in which I'm calling them "national socialist" and not just socialists to call them nazis (since the nazis called themselves national socialists and not simply socialists).
You talk about nuance and can't see that I'm specifically calling them national socialists and not just socialsts.
Ffs, have you escaped from .ml? You look ridiculous in your defense of socialism when all I did was a joke about nazism.
Edit: You shouldn't talk about nuance when you didn't get the "nuance" on the first place. Notice the capitalized letters in the first comment and not just the name. Nuance is important, so by calling it National Socialism (mind the caps) and not national socialism (mind the caps again) I'm using not the general definition of the socialism but the name nazis gave to their movement (which was, as every name, capitalized). You didn't get the joke. And that's fine. But it's not on me.
You sounded like a rightwinger who unironically confuses nazis with actual socialists, and it didn't help that you started off defending what you said for two more comments rather than admitting you were joking and accepting that of course they're different.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poe%27s_law
I can call a party "the cumfarts and beer union" and have nothing to do with either, proofs in the pudding, so to speak.
Nazis called themselves national socialists.
The magas are now openly nazist.
If you call the magas national socialists (and not simply socialists) you are calling them nazis.
The joke is way less funny when you have to explain it.
Yeah, this is the breaking point 🙄
It’s wild what they’ll put up with until you realize that they’re simply trying to pretend like it’s only the start so they don’t need to actually do anything about it yet.
They could be personally being stabbed and they’ll still say “ohhhh boy when it gets REAL bad I’m gunna be so cool and badass about this”.
Be careful, might be a few more breaking points flying over soon. 😅
The Trump administration is quoting Nazis, why am I not surprised?
Believing something that confirms your biases without scrutiny, even though it's easily determined to be false, why am I not surprised?
Hey, thanks for the information!
Y'all remember when Trump supporters danced to Rage Against the Machine? https://youtu.be/ddrFt1BHkUQ
Of course they did, they're all dumb
Most Americans are seriously dumb. The illiteracy level is insane for a western developed country, especially the riches country in the world. It could ensure all its citizens are well educated but we'll educated citizens won't vote for fascists, they won't listen to the transparent bullshit lies of fox news and co, they won't vote Republican because fuuuuck that shit.
Republicans have worked pretty much since WWII, especially starting with Reagan, to ensure the US citizens are as dumb as possible, it keeps them in power.
So Magas dancing to killing in the name of is pretty normal for them, as they have no idea what they're doing, no idea what the song is about, no idea what RATM is about.
I'd feel sad for them if they weren't so dangerous to themselves, to everyone in the US, and everyone in the world. I honestly have no idea how to solve this part, after trump and Maga is gone. How do you deprogram millions of brainwashed idiots that barely finished highschool?
Easier than you think. Just thrive. Be an example.
Oh. There's a difficult bit as well... You have to get rid of any sociopaths that start talking to them or it'll all happen again.
The phrase "One of ours, all of yours" was displayed on a podium during a Department of Homeland Security (DHS) briefing attended by Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem. While images of the podium with the slogan circulated widely on social media, Kristi Noem herself did not say the phrase aloud 12.
The slogan has been linked to Nazi Germany, specifically as a reprisal for the killing of an SS officer 45. Musician Tom Morello alleged that the "Trump admin quoted (verbatim) the slogan" 25. However, other reports indicate that Noem defended ICE agents, stating they acted in self-defense and that "criminal, illegal aliens" would be arrested while American citizens would be protected 1. Some sources suggest that the phrase has not been found in historical texts related to 20th-century history 3.
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Still. She allowed the quote to be displayed while she was making a statement.
Her sentiment is clear.
Well this is disingenuous as fuck.
"She didn't say nazi shit, she just wore a swastika on her arm. Get your facts straight!"
To be fair, I'm sure she definitely also said some Nazi shit... Just not verbatim
If you stand behind a podium and give a speech, that podium is part of it. Whether or not her mouth made those sounds, she fucking said it.
Besides, he didn't even say Noem specifically quoted it, he said the admin quoted it. That podium was decorated by the admin...
Don't get me wrong, I'm not defending liars and a$$holes. But it's not useful to misquote without sources.
AskHistorians discussion
The short version is, while the meaning/intent is fascist as hell. The attribution of the phrase is "highly unlikely".
It's not and it's a matter of time before either the second civil war or third world war happens.
The women were sent to concentration camps and most of the kids were gassed. This is literally what they mean when they say “make America great again”
I can’t find any evidence of this being an actual Nazi slogan. Searching for the phrase and filtering by results before this week turns up pretty much nothing.
(Advocating for collective punishment is obviously unacceptable either way)
Mindlessly spreading without fact-checking, bad look.
All the shit they say about their opponents, and I'm supposed to be concerned about the accuracy of a them making a perfectly plausible statement?
I don't fucking care, spread the story.
If it looks and acts like a duck it's a duck. Nazi getting called out for being a nazi and you're worried about the origin of the phrase.
Don't call me overdramatic. Holocaust 2.0 is coming.
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All of yours first, then.
Since this has been identified as misinformation by many people in the thread, please delete this post or update the title to reflect that.
Edit: I am extremely confused about the downvotes, would love to discuss the reasoning for it with someone.
Not misleading or false, and doesn't say anywhere that it was said aloud but quoted. Making those words on your podium counts as quoting.
What's misleading is that the phrase was never used by Nazis, but the content of the post says it is. That's both false and misleading
It's not misleading. The Nazis definitely did this shit.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lidice_massacre
Where does it mention the "one of ours, all of yours" quote?
Hello? Republican policy matches Nazi mass retaliation policy and you're splitting hairs over whether they used this exact form of words? On what planet is that the important part?
For people trying to decide whether to leave the country in the next 6-8 months, vs. Drop everything and evacuate now even if it means leaving a lot of stuff behind, there is a big difference between the administration directly quoting Nazi slogans vs inventing their own slogans that suggest the same behaviour but not actually yet acting on it.
Also, no matter what, it's not a Nazi slogan. That means that calling it a Nazi slogan IS objectively false. That's not splitting hairs, that's pointing out that the post is literally spreading a lie. In these times it is very important to preserve the truth, since it's so hard to find reliable info. Blurring the lines between truth and falsehood is how the administration puts people in a state of paralysis where they aren't sure what the correct reaction to things is.
It is always important not to spread objectively false information.
I hope you're right and I'm wrong, but deporting people for not being white is already happening, extrajudicial execution is already happening, disregulated millitias with no accountability is already happening, retaliation on the scale of cities and States for not supporting the leader is already happening, armed removal of foreign leaders for nakedly political reasons is already happening, threatening to invade neighbouring countries is already happening, and here you are telling me it's all fine because at least they haven't copied the Nazis by killing off a whole village yet, they've just written their message of annihilation on a podium?
You are absolutely splitting hairs while citizens are openly abducted and killed in the streets. Again, have some sense of perspective! For you it hinges on the wording?!?!?
The post says “today the Trump admin quoted the Nazi mass murder slogan”. The Trump admin did not quote a Nazi mass murder slogan. So, it’s misinformation.
They quoted a nazi mass murder policy.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lidice_massacre
https://brendonbeebe.substack.com/p/one-of-ours-all-of-yours-origins
They did, yes. So if the post had said “Trump marketing reminiscent of Nazi mass murder policy”, it would have been correct.
But it doesn’t - it used the word “slogan”, which implies it was a self-descriptor. The Nazis never used that phrase in reference to themselves, so the post is misleading.
From the substack you linked:
Again, I fully agree that that the phrase encapsulates Nazi policy quite well, I’m just disputing that it’s a “Nazi slogan”.
And you're wasting your time and effort spring hairs while ice murders citizens in the street. Of was nazi policy. Now it's republican policy. Get some perspective, for goodness' sake!
Pleas guys, learn from the Brigate Rosse. Put him in a f*cking trunk (use a chrysler pt cruiser for the occasion please) and goodnight.
We need socialism
If you click on the post image, it should take you to a permalink.
You're my hero. Thank you!
This was not a Nazi slogan.
They are despicable enough without having to lie about it.
It was a nazi modus operandi. You're splitting hairs in the face of enormity.
https://brendonbeebe.substack.com/p/one-of-ours-all-of-yours-origins
So we just have to get all of them first
Which village?
Lidice, Czech Republic, I think.
Not one person left MAGA. Half the country are just that deplorable
Crickets from MAGA
God damn, I am going to use this phrase in my next Stellaris multiplayer match
Oh, look! They are running for their lives. MAGA is done!
No more nazis, no more wars, no more genocides! All thanks to the brave instagram warriors. You did it again Americans! The rest of the world is proud of you!
You are so brave.