New Epstein documents include a claim of an Oklahoma 'murder'
The latest release of Jeffrey Epstein documents includes an FBI report about a caller's claim of a suspicious death in Kiefer, Oklahoma, in January 2000.
The caller said a woman was found with her head "blown off" in the small town in northeast Oklahoma days after reporting to police she had been raped by Epstein and Donald Trump. The caller described the death as a murder.
The FBI report was in the nearly 30,000 new documents released by the U.S. Justice Department on Dec. 23.
https://www.oklahoman.com/story/news/2025/12/23/new-epstein-documents-include-claim-that-a-woman-was-murdered-in-oklahoma/87901733007/Open linkView original on lemmy.world656
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Oh, it's a different murder from the one Trump was implicated in a few days ago. That one was a baby born to a 13 year old rape victim and thrown into a lake. This one is a rape victim herself who reported him. You know you've picked a good President when he has too many alleged rapes and murders to keep track of.
On top of 34 convictions.
Felony convictions.
Plus that civil case where he was found to have raped another woman. And the complaints from at least one of his wives about violent rape.
I love that it has become an internet law to remind people that Mr. Trump has 34 convictions.
I call it Trump Rule 34. I'm gonna look it up to see if I coined a new phrase...
Poor guy. I would have warned him, but that was almost an hour ago and surely he's already gone blind by now.
He’s probably feckin’ dead, mate. Gonna be in the files pt.2.
People have jumped on this but it's just an anonymous tip done through an open web form. It's about as substantiated as writing on a bathroom wall.
Doesn't mean it's not true, but it's also the weakest evidenced thing in there.
I suspect the DOJ is deliberately releasing the unsubstantiated tips and other crap as a smokescreen, while also withholding anything substantial.
A functional police system will have an investigation attached to that tip off.
If you're worried about your head being blown off isn't this how you'd say it? Doesnt it line up with his ex wife and the MANY other "suicides" of victims or people involved who were going to go public? The context makes it so much more frightening.
*another anonymous tip
I hate all this bullshit (Epstein, trump, politics right now etc..) But the way I watched people pull shit out of their ass when talking about that leak. If that's the comprehension and emotional level of the average human, society is completely fucked. But honestly that was already told by the reactionary drama of COVID and 2020s issues.
Like that alone tromps the whole Epstein and American politics thing because it means people are too stupid, lol. Like literally just too stupid for society to even be a society. It's almost to the level that sometimes I wonder if it's a psyop... People being so reactionary and emotionally dumb that that they are easily discredited so that trump ends up being the "sane" one.
I think once you’ve gotten to the point that you’re considering Donald J. Trump, of all people, “sane”, you might be on the other side of the bell curve than you think.
Also, they can't tell "reactionary" from "reactive."
The poster above did say "alleged."
I also agree with the sentiment.
So far none of the major outlets have covered this story but I have seen it on a ton of smaller sites. This seems odd
The big ones are waiting to be told who the scapegoat is.
They're real though, here are the files from the justice department (2nd one is the one they're describing):
https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%208/EFTA00020517.pdf
https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%208/EFTA00025010.pdf
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https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%208/EFTA00020517.pdf
https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%208/EFTA00025010.pdf
Yours came up 404 and my first thought was they were recalled again.
Thanks, I don't know what happened there.
Yeah I know I'm just wondering why they aren't reporting this huge story even the outlets that don't like trump aren't reporting it yet
I mean there is a really simple obvious explanation. They have either been told not to or are afraid of repercussions from the administration
Repercussions? Like getting your head blown off?
I mean, Oklahoma sets that precedent
It's not an assumption that every single (major) news source is owned by a MAGA crony or is run by someone afraid of a Trump SLAPP suit or regulatory retaliation. And some, such as the New York Times, seem to be going through contortions to minimize Epstein's intelligence links
Having said that, it's inevitable that there will be crackpot claims in any high-profile case. So check it, and if it's bullshit, discard it. But also, don't assume that something's bullshit just because the person who wrote it can't write, or has other issues. Those issues might be the reason they're not intimidated when a more rational person would be. Someone like that can be a good source but a poor witness.
One of the DOJ's tactics is to flood the zone with shit. They're deliberately releasing a huge quantity of documents with all context stripped out, to make it harder for journalists and the public to make sense of them. That's not the way they're organized in the DOJ, it's malicious compliance. And the document sets are also almost certainly being deliberately filtered to make the signal/noise ratio even worse-- for example, by redacting all mentions of Trump and by adding in items mentioning Clinton, probably redacted to support false conclusions about his level of involvement.
Sure thing, but thus far these two tips haven't been meaningfully checked and corroborated.
The two most bombshell events were both tipline fodder during the height of the 2020 election, after Epstein's death and pictures of him and Trump became huge things.
So yes, by all means scour current and future documents for anything corroborating these tips, but the context makes me extremely skeptical that these two tips are real. Both accounts were held back for decades, both only coming forward during his second election run, both only coming forward implicating a nefarious Trump/Epstein event after that was already a known thing...
All I know is that I believe that person over trump any day. They could be lying, but why would they?
You wouldn't believe a person that claims to be a victim, ever? ERRRRR, wrong answer.
They might be real files, but they might just be unproven accusations.
Because it is a claim made by one single person 25 years ago, as far as we currently know. The big outlets or at least some of them probably have someone on the ground right now trying to establish whether this claims makes any sense, whether this death actually happened, whether with this specific cause of death etc etc. They know that Trump will sue them if they get even a tiny slither of facts wrong.
but they already established that this death happened
Problem is the tip was made in 2020, with no prior allegations about this woman being Epstein related, and no apparent reason why this person would have held onto this for 20 years.
So someone seeing the Trump/Epstein news and moved by the asshole running for re-election could have scanned through news stories and fabricated a Trump/Epsrein connection for a death they found.
Folks remembered that Comey led credence to the Hilary email stuff in 2016, and likely there were quite a few attempts to induce a similar event through a tip.
Actually it was claim made by a tip line caller in 2020 about a potential Epstein/Trump event in 2000.
If it was a tip submitted back on 2000, when no one was really thinking about Epstein and Trump as particularly important, controversial, nor linked, then I'd say it would be a very suspicious situation that seems unlikely to be made up.
Since it was a tip made in October 2020, and the person held on to this supposed big deal for 20 years and only bothered to call it in during the election... After Epstein/Trump was a big thing...
Real documents, but describing tips submitted during the 2020 election without apparent link to more investigative content.
Any random person can generate a tip, so a tip is a starting point for an investigation, but in and of itself should not be considered newsworthy.
I'm sure you'd have scary sounding pizzagate themed tips implicating Hilary Clinton during her run. I'm sure there were Hunter Biden laptop tips in 2020. I'm sure there were terrorist themed tips about Obama during his runs.
These weren't anonymous tips.
I never said they were anonymous. Not sure what the consequence of a known false tip might be, it's not a police report. Also not sure that the tip giver realized they weren't anonymous.
Ideally, the bigger guys would be trying to corroborate the story by other means before reporting it. Verify facts before reporting claims. Generally the purpose of journalism.
Not that I have much faith left that the big guys do journalism.
That is because it’s an FBI tip likely left by a mentally ill person. Read the whole thing.
Most of the “unredacted” stuff is of this nature. We are being played. What they did was hand America one of those archaeology digs for kids and people who don’t understand what was done are crowing about the mummy they found in the compacted sand they chipped away with their plastic chisel.
If it was a Democrat in the story, it would be the top story EVERYWHERE.
From yesterday: Trump demands DOJ release all the names of Democrats related to the Epstein investigation
(The article name has since been changed; I got it from this post)
How many major outlets aren’t owned by trump supporter?
My usuals are NPR, PBS, and NBC but I haven't seen anything from them
the last 2 depends on funding, so they might be compromised i dont know about NBC isnt it owned by comcast which is trump leaning anyways? whos the owner.
the MSM are largely trumpers/conservative owners now. they arnt reporting it, because it potentially hurts the republicans, also executives, ceos and politician both foreign and domestic.
It’ll get a small mention soon, when they’ve all decided how to Bari the lede.
Dont forget the ex-wife he pushed down the stairs because he hated him due to his affair. And then had buried on his golf course so he could claim it was a cemetery for tax purposes.
He also violently raped her while they were married.
And yanked a handful of hair out by the roots because she had recommended the scalp reduction treatment for his baldness, and it turned out to be more painful than he anticipated.
I'm noticing a pattern
Is there any kind of rape that's non-violent?
Not really, which makes the qualifier even more terrifying.
Nah, he had her buried there so he could cheat on her one last time.
She’s probably got a fuckton of the most incriminating top secret classified files with her, too
When he said he could shoot someone and get away with it....I guess he was actually telling the truth for once.
Actually twice now....
He was projecting.
* bragging
Projecting what he wants to be true, hoping everyone just accepts it. Ti's the fascist's way
There were absolutely some projectiles.
Feels like it should be easy to find a police investigation of this.
In a less corrupt world.
Sure, if one was ever done.
I don't think people get their heads blown off without some sort of investigation.
You would be amazed how many murders go almost completely uninvestigated in America.
Do some research on some of our more famous serial killers in American history,and police investigation surrounding them. What you'll find will disgust you. And that's just ones that we know about after the fact.
Especially so if the police force is tipped off that it might involve someone with lots of money.
In Oklahoma in particular.
As a background watcher of more true crime than I'd like to have watched, you're completely right. In addition, the investigations the police do are often unbelievably terrible and have at times led to decades of the wrong people in jail or under suspicion because they're racist, xenophobic, or just plain lazy and bad at their jobs.
I watched one that I found particularly sickening where they spent lots of time investigating the dad of the victim and coersing a confession out of him when the paroled, actual perpetrator left a shoe with his name on it at the scene of the crime, and the victim's young brother said that his dad didn't do it and saw someone else take his sister.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Riley_Fox
If it looks like a suicide and the victom is either poor or a minority, coroners aren't going to expend much effort. And that's just the laziness part. If the powerful are also involved, it's even worse.
It was ruled a suicide. Case closed.
(...)
Yeah, Oklahoma is a shining example of good governance and freedom from corruption, why doubt an official conclusion?
I was just stating why there was no police investigation. Of course this is sus af
It is worth noting, however, that the FBI document states the Trump/Epstein link was newly alleged as of 2020. So if you wanted an FBI agent to make a messy statement about opening an investigation into a Trump/Epstein event the same way Comey talking about Hilary email investigation in 2016, well adding a Trump/Epstein Angle to an old death from the news could do it.
That certainly sounds suspicious.
Republicans and Trumpers are now playing the 'I don't like politics/don't want to talk about it" card. They're going back to quietly supporting all this rather than openly supporting it.
That's why we have to carve a Swastika into their foreheads.
ONE. HUNNERT. NAZI. SCALPS.
Still one of my favorite movies.
The 'Ignore it and it'll go away' tactic.
And it will work, if everyone lets them.
So trump has been linked to two murders now? Surely he will face consequences /s
Putin hasnt given his right wing pundits any talking points to spin this any other way, meaning its too severe for him to twist. Putin is likely suspect in the files too.
Putin won't give a shit if he is
Putin wasn't visiting Epstein Island. If he wants young girls, he can have his pick from millions of them without leaving home. Besides, he's definitely into something far more exotic.
Based on the Republicans I've encountered, this won't change their mind. It'll be fake news, documents planted by Democrats or some shit.
https://www.fox23.com/news/local/kiefer-ok-mentioned-in-epstein-files/article_d8483262-b1fd-4f79-8322-31631887f732.html
Did they try copying and pasting?
Nothing is going to happen, except some Democrats will have to leave public life. Dear Leader is above the law. He is the law. And America seems OK with that.
the politicians will resign before they oust the billionaires, ceos and executives.
May they be replaced by people who actually give a shit about us
Fucking paywall
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Shut up. I can get only so impeachy. Oh wait the people in Congress do not actually represent me?
You can only impeach for presidential crimes (e.g. Emoluments Article I, Section 9, Clause 8). Murders will have to wait until Trump is out of office.
This is like a legal loophole I'd expect to read about in Saudi Arabia. Wtaf is wrong with the US.
You can impeach for high crimes and misdemeanors. There is no constitutional restriction of impeachment grounds to crimes that are not covered under criminal statute. For example, you could impeach someone for bribery, for example, then prosecute them for bribery after they've been removed from office. Same for treason. Same for murder.
Yes. But the key point is that you have to get the president out of office before prosecution of crimes before they were president.
It's cute that you think they won't make presidential immunity retrospective. That man will never be charged for a thing
I don't think it's true. Trump pisses ice water, but he's too spineless to get his hands dirty
I don't think the claim is that Trump/Epstein did the murder themselves, but that the murder was done by someone to cover up their rape.
If he thinks he's safe and in control, yes he would. He is absolutely controlled by his impulses and exercises zero control over them. If the external pressures that control his worst impulses were also gone and he felt safe from the judgment of society, he'd do literally anything.
January 2000, when a guy from the blue party who also happens to be in the epstein files was in charge. Both parties are the same, we are ruled by criminals.