The divide is most often made between carnivore and herbivore. "Shit" flows up, meaning all the nasty stuff an animal eats lower in the food chain, goes up and accumulates in their predators. Carnivore meat is usually more disease ridden and unhealthy for consumption. Our culture has kinda evolved to this point naturally as a protection mechanism.
It's also the reason you should avoid eating too much of bigger fish species due to heavy metals. Smaller fish don't absorb as much, but bigger fish accumulates heavy metal for each small fish they eat.
I think the point isn't about practicality, but ethics. It's less practical to eat carnivores, but is it unethical? If it's ethical to kill and eat a cow, is it also ethical to kill and eat a horse? A dog? A cat?
I had a professor who was native american, and yeah, he spoke quite honestly about how they breed the dogs for meat, and the puppy is more tender. He said his friends would always joke with him when he went back to the reservation for holidays. I can't remember the exact joke, but it was something about how he would have to dig deep into the stew because the puppy was at the bottom.
would have to dig deep into the stew because the puppy was at the bottom
I am having a hard time getting that.
If puppy is more tender, it would be because its tissue is lighter and composed more of fat and areolar tissue than muscle and dense connective tissue. Then in a stew full of meat from multiple ages of dog and what not, the puppy should be more buoyant than the dog, making it float higher.
How then, does the puppy end up at the bottom?
Some parts of my country used to eat & sell dog meat during WW2. Now not anymore, for above reasons.
I think it's perfectly clear; the line is neccessity and taste vs. friend and practicality.
Also, third-level consumers are a waste of ressources in most cases, due to metabolic inefficiencies.
And yeah, horse meat is still a thing. Moschtbrökli (some dried good parts kept in apple juice) a more or less local speciality. Quite tasty btw.
I often wonder which animals would just go extinct if we stopped farming them. And which ones would trade in a shorter life of food, shelter, safety, and health instead of being in the wild and surviving, constantly preyed on.
Animals aren't concerned with extinction and don't have committees to vote on what kind of life they should have. They just want to live.
Many would go extinct as they were bred to be killed, not to survive in nature.
I'm not sure if you were going there, but that's not an argument to not stop farming them. The intention here is to stop this cycle where hundreds of billions a year are born into a disfigured body, then live hell and suffering and misery then killed. They should go extinct and that should stop.
animal cognitive behaviourists who study the subject have not found proof that non human animals understand personal mortality. that is, they don't understand that they, themselves, might die. if you don't know that you might die, you can't meaningfully be said to want to live.
Well, Aurochs has gone extinct because of humans. Domesticated cow would likely have huge mortality rates due to inflamed udders the first few generations (things like this fix themselves fast).
Some folks say that all meat is disgusting if you haven't eaten it in a large amount of time. I definitely know there are meats, completely unseasoned, that I like and dislike. Pork is a big ugh from me.
I don't think this is true for most people. I will eat food that has meat in it if it's just going to go bad or be thrown away, but that's extremely rare and it's the same as I remember it from when I used to eat it. So probably once every 1-3 years. maybe it would be different if it was like 10+ years. Definitely with milk it is immediately obvious anything that has it and it tastes pretty gross now.
Here in the US, there was a rumor going around for a while that Taco Bell meat was horsemeat. Dunno if it was ever verified or debunked. My own opinion was just, "If it's horsemeat, then I guess horsemeat is delicious." Even if it were true, I couldn't have cared any less than I already did.
I guess just like any meat it all depends on how it's prepared. I ate horse meat I don't know 15 years ago or something like that and it was just okay it wasn't good it wasn't bad it was far too sweet with the way they prepared it. But apparently that's the way the Tongans like it.
I have been eating horse meat the past week ever since our uncle got us some. We had steaks, goulash.... But in none of those forms was it that far from beef or pork
Bought on Spain a few times. As you say, like very lean beef. Not great, but was much cheaper. I think the horses were not breed to be eaten originally
Horse meat taste quite good for the price. There's also lots of horses around, so re-using the meat when they die is much better than some farming conditions. It's a more natural cycle of life.
Horse meat taste quite good for the price. There's also lots of horses around, so re-using the meat when they die is much better than some farming conditions.
Sorry to burst your bubble, but riding horses or similar aren't consumed afterwards. Horses that are will be specially raised, basically like cattle.
Oh it's easy. You eat the ones that are bred specifically for food or licensable to hunt - generally herbivores and some omnivores. I know it can be confusing though. The easy way to tell is that if it's sold at the grocery store or restaurant then it's almost certainly a food animal. If the store also sells pets then you can always ask the staff, though live animals are generally not intended for human consumption.
I'm not even commenting on veganism. Basing any moral framework off of whatever the law currently is a bad take. Laws should be based off of morals, not the other way around. Slavery was legal, but that doesn't make it moral.
The divide is most often made between carnivore and herbivore. "Shit" flows up, meaning all the nasty stuff an animal eats lower in the food chain, goes up and accumulates in their predators. Carnivore meat is usually more disease ridden and unhealthy for consumption. Our culture has kinda evolved to this point naturally as a protection mechanism.
It's also the reason you should avoid eating too much of bigger fish species due to heavy metals. Smaller fish don't absorb as much, but bigger fish accumulates heavy metal for each small fish they eat.
I think the point isn't about practicality, but ethics. It's less practical to eat carnivores, but is it unethical? If it's ethical to kill and eat a cow, is it also ethical to kill and eat a horse? A dog? A cat?
I think you misunderstood the argument.
It's okay to eat puppies and kittens because they haven't accumulated as much 😌
I had a professor who was native american, and yeah, he spoke quite honestly about how they breed the dogs for meat, and the puppy is more tender. He said his friends would always joke with him when he went back to the reservation for holidays. I can't remember the exact joke, but it was something about how he would have to dig deep into the stew because the puppy was at the bottom.
I am having a hard time getting that.
If puppy is more tender, it would be because its tissue is lighter and composed more of fat and areolar tissue than muscle and dense connective tissue. Then in a stew full of meat from multiple ages of dog and what not, the puppy should be more buoyant than the dog, making it float higher.
How then, does the puppy end up at the bottom?
You're asking the wrong person.
Is the argument that ethics are a function of accumulation?
Some parts of my country used to eat & sell dog meat during WW2. Now not anymore, for above reasons.
I think it's perfectly clear; the line is neccessity and taste vs. friend and practicality.
Also, third-level consumers are a waste of ressources in most cases, due to metabolic inefficiencies.
And yeah, horse meat is still a thing. Moschtbrökli (some dried good parts kept in apple juice) a more or less local speciality. Quite tasty btw.
Mostly agree - if you eat meat I don't think there's a difference between eating dog and pork.
But surprisingly many people think it is unethical to kill a dog, even if it's your own dog.
lol, I can’t help but read this as “mushed broccoli” even though there’s no way that’s how it’s pronounced
"Apple juice piece"
The line is ethics and necessity.
Horse + bunny tasty, dog not.
I don't see how that's in anyway related to what I said.
They are also different colours, just as irrelevant
I'm more curious why it's Cat->dogs->another Cat->other dogs
The cat further on the right pissed in your shoes
Does that make it more yummy? If so pigeons should the rightmost animal
I hate pigeons and they hate me
You, should eat each other
No I should shit on their heads
I nearly set one on fire before. Turns out they built a nest in our chimney, bastard wasn't too happy at a fire being lit below.
Whatever they consider a nest. Stick on a rock? Best nest they've ever seen.
Yeah, less ammonia taste
I heard that branch of the tree of life taste horrible. Too much ammonia flavor
That's why the cat on the right is more edible - it dropped it's ammonia level by pissing in your boots
Good film imo, but terrible sequels.
Pretty sure all mammals are edible so I guess the line should be all the way left.
Pretty sure none should be eaten so the line should be all the way right.
I put the line horizontally so I get to eat just the bottom half.
Thanks, solomon
That is generally where most of the meat is.
Who's out here eating faces? Savages. Suck face, eat ass.
Have you considered the animals we don't eat just don't taste good? 🤷♂️
Or they were too hard to domesticate?
I often wonder which animals would just go extinct if we stopped farming them. And which ones would trade in a shorter life of food, shelter, safety, and health instead of being in the wild and surviving, constantly preyed on.
Animals aren't concerned with extinction and don't have committees to vote on what kind of life they should have. They just want to live.
Many would go extinct as they were bred to be killed, not to survive in nature. I'm not sure if you were going there, but that's not an argument to not stop farming them. The intention here is to stop this cycle where hundreds of billions a year are born into a disfigured body, then live hell and suffering and misery then killed. They should go extinct and that should stop.
Or we could treat them better
Been on a farm before, what suffering? Plenty of non factory farms exist too.
You've probably been in a nicer slaughterhouse than I.
They don't live their life in a slaughterhouse
Yes, that is the idea of slaughterhouses.
animal cognitive behaviourists who study the subject have not found proof that non human animals understand personal mortality. that is, they don't understand that they, themselves, might die. if you don't know that you might die, you can't meaningfully be said to want to live.
Hahaha, what total nonsense.
what's nonsense is making unproven claims, and premising a broader argument on those.
I'm not even making any claims that are not truisms. Just common knowledge obtained by everyone that has ever had any contact with any animal.
But you do you. I don't want to continue with this. Be well, happy holidays.
Well, Aurochs has gone extinct because of humans. Domesticated cow would likely have huge mortality rates due to inflamed udders the first few generations (things like this fix themselves fast).
Can confirm. I've tasted dog; Not that good.
Horses are excellent sausage material though.
Horses are best as cold smoked cuts imo
I like horse steak a lot. It’s somewhere between beef and venison.
Do you think most carnivores don’t taste all that great?
Haven't thought about it, as I haven't eaten many, but pigs are omnivores, and they're pretty great.
I tasted alligator a while back, and it was alright.
I’ve had alligator but only fried, so I’m not sure if that really gave me the best example
Does raw pork taste good?
Or is it the dish that tastes good, a.k.a how it's prepared and seasoned?
For example, I hate fish, but Fish'n'chips is amazing, because there's barely any taste of fish.
Some folks say that all meat is disgusting if you haven't eaten it in a large amount of time. I definitely know there are meats, completely unseasoned, that I like and dislike. Pork is a big ugh from me.
Oh, I dunno about that. Have you ever seen a vegetarian relapse? They'll murder you if you try to take it off them.
Even without seasoning, change the cut and cooking method makes a huge difference.
I don't think this is true for most people. I will eat food that has meat in it if it's just going to go bad or be thrown away, but that's extremely rare and it's the same as I remember it from when I used to eat it. So probably once every 1-3 years. maybe it would be different if it was like 10+ years. Definitely with milk it is immediately obvious anything that has it and it tastes pretty gross now.
You know there is more than 1 fish right?
No shot??
Raw pork tastes great.
Taste is probably a matter of taste
I draw the line to the right of horse, because we have bred those animals for thousands of years as food.
Thats why they taste the best.
Because PETA is a piece of shit organization that doesn't actually require or deserve that kind of consideration.
PETA is shit.
Don't let that stop you from considering empathy towards animals. Pigs shouldn't suffer because of bad representation.
Where does it say PETA?
How many dogs has Peta even eaten before making that graphic?
All im gonna say is hare/rabbit should definitely be more to the right than horse
Also, to the right of those:
www.photosynthesismbillboard.com
I’ve never had horse meat (afaik).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_horse_meat_scandal
Damn I cant believe that was 12 years ago.
Here in the US, there was a rumor going around for a while that Taco Bell meat was horsemeat. Dunno if it was ever verified or debunked. My own opinion was just, "If it's horsemeat, then I guess horsemeat is delicious." Even if it were true, I couldn't have cared any less than I already did.
It's quite good.
I guess just like any meat it all depends on how it's prepared. I ate horse meat I don't know 15 years ago or something like that and it was just okay it wasn't good it wasn't bad it was far too sweet with the way they prepared it. But apparently that's the way the Tongans like it.
I have been eating horse meat the past week ever since our uncle got us some. We had steaks, goulash.... But in none of those forms was it that far from beef or pork
There was a big scandal regarding undeclared horse meat in certain sausages in Europe, so you've might had it.
None of those are bred for meat.
Never tried dog btw, it's expensive and doesn't smell great.
Are you saying “if you are bred for this purpose the purpose is moral”?
No, I am saying the dogs bred for being meat are the best at it, the most edible.
The vegans are kinda correct here.
given the random stuff they eat, they shouldn't smell great.
French bulldogs are not obviously more delicious than English bulldogs because they use more butter.
Mostly we listen to our hearts...and stomachs...they sort of decide between themselves and let us know.
Its because there's more meat on the larger breeds
The only conclusion that can be drawn is the maker of the graph tried them and listed them based on deliciousness
Why are some cats more edible than some dogs, bit less edible than other dogs?
I'd rather not upset the natural order if my cats are going to eat me when I die.
Yet they keep killing and eating each other! When does the madness end!?
Swap horse and rabbit and put the line between them
Plenty of people have (unknowingly) eaten horse meat, yum yum.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_horse_meat_scandal
The issue was that it was advertised as beef. You can buy horse meat in France and it's good, almost like beef but with less fat.
Bought on Spain a few times. As you say, like very lean beef. Not great, but was much cheaper. I think the horses were not breed to be eaten originally
You're talking to the wrong guy, I think it's all gross.
Horse meat taste quite good for the price. There's also lots of horses around, so re-using the meat when they die is much better than some farming conditions. It's a more natural cycle of life.
Sorry to burst your bubble, but riding horses or similar aren't consumed afterwards. Horses that are will be specially raised, basically like cattle.
Depends if you are shopping at Tesco
Pretty easy, between rabbit and dog.
On what ethical basis?
Feels
Where are the delicious whales?
Why are horses more edible than rabbit?
I will continue to eat geese forever because fuck geese
Oh it's easy. You eat the ones that are bred specifically for food or licensable to hunt - generally herbivores and some omnivores. I know it can be confusing though. The easy way to tell is that if it's sold at the grocery store or restaurant then it's almost certainly a food animal. If the store also sells pets then you can always ask the staff, though live animals are generally not intended for human consumption.
"Laws provide moral order"
this is bad faith. it is not what they said, it is a strawman.
All life consumes other life to continue to live. Pretending that being picky about it is more moral is extremely arrogant.
I'm not even commenting on veganism. Basing any moral framework off of whatever the law currently is a bad take. Laws should be based off of morals, not the other way around. Slavery was legal, but that doesn't make it moral.
There are some people that have morals that should never be laws.