They’re people with a job they need to feed their families. The person who made the call wasn’t the one who made the decision.
I was a GM for a few dollar trees and had to have people kicked out for stealing toothache medicine. I know how bad toothaches can be, I understand they are homeless, but I had a job that needed to feed my family.
The world sucks not the people in it. We are all just slaves to this system we’ve built.
I'm sorry for you but I don't see how any of that has anything to do with turning a blind eye if I see someone stealing something from a dollar tree
I won't virtue signal here, I can barely wake up every day to work while masking, let alone taking care of homeless people. So kudos to you for actually trying something
He was a tough old man. He had all the patience in the world for us kids but none for adults who should know better.
His mom died in the dust bowl… from dust inhalation. Then he went to Italy to fight facists. Then came home and joined the board of health and helped develop the rabbis vaccine they could put in meat and drop from planes. He’s the reason you never had to worry about getting rabbis in America.
Try he think they’re going to take his wheelchair? Come and take it!
Oh he also had his name legally changed so he wouldn’t be named after Robert E Lee anymore. He wasn’t a fan of slavery. He also wasn’t a fan of baby boomers. Called them “the me me me generation “
Oh shit… he had a hat that said Ww2 veteran we never asked “what side”!!! This changes everything!!! At least he was working on a cure tho… joke obviously.
Spelling isn’t my strong point. I’m a salesman and a great “talker” but spelling escapes me
Jokes aside rabies (that right) is a terrible way to go. It was a bigger deal back in the day. In some countries it’s still a big worry.
(So many edits) I’m imagining now my friend Zack who was Jewish walking thru the woods “is this free meat? Well can’t let it go to waste… wait why do I feel like god has left me all the sudden”
Oh I forget the best story because I just told someone earlier today. He had to pull him out of the nursing home because he kept bullying the younger trump supporters with “ I killed the Nazis once. I can kill them again if I have to”
My dad was a trump supporter up until he died but he voted democrat those years out of respect for my mom’s father.
I swear my grandfather had the presence of dumbledore from harry potter. Like him or don’t but you can’t help but respect him.
Oh I forget the best story because I just told someone earlier today. We had to pull him out of the nursing home because he kept bullying the younger trump supporters with “ I killed the Nazis once. I can kill them again if I have to”
My dad was a trump supporter up until he died but he voted democrat those years out of respect for my mom’s father.
I swear my grandfather had the presence of dumbledore from harry potter. Like him or don’t but you can’t help but respect him.
Reminder that socialist countries like Cuba or the USSR have historically de jure and de facto guaranteed employment, with worse economic conditions and over a half century ago. Unemployment is a capitalist construct and we can do better than that.
i think we need to get rid of the mentality that work is a moral obligation.
what's the point in having exponential productivity increase if we are all still expected to work full time or starve.
we could probably just set up a 20 hour week maximum and the economy would still run. just with less profits for the 1%, but they can go fuck themselves with syphilitic cacti.
Legal filings are covered by the landlord and are significantly more expensive (numbers I am seeing for florida are hovering around $5000, but like all things legal it varies wildly). This was disgusting, but the state isn't paying out orders of magnitude more than the loss just to protect some random landlord.
She's 90 years old, it's a safe conclusion that the taxpayer was already paying for her medical care via medicare and she was already released (from jail) and the charges were dropped (as has been pointed out elsewhere in this thread). The original comment just made up the cost to farm outrage, and it's fucking ridiculous they felt the need to do that on a post about a 90 year old being evicted.
I know it's rough to see propaganda you agree with called out, but that's what's happening here. That people are reacting as though I'm devaluing or excusing this travesty, I'm not, is the reason I'm doing it - even propaganda you agree with poisons the discussion. Hell, to my eye the cost to throw an ancient woman out of her housing being so incredibly cheap should really make this story all the more disgusting, as it highlights how cheap human suffering really is.
The Romans did or at least they created the base word structures. Primus, secundus, tertius, quartus, et cetera could all be compounded with the suffix genarian to create an age bracket specific word. For example I am a secundagenarian.
"Who decided" – like most word constructions, it probably wasn't consciously decided upon by a single person but rather evolved out of existing phrases.
In this case, the Latin root nona- for ninth was extended with the -gin- / -gen- infix used for multiples of ten (viginti = 20, triginta = 30 and so on) to form the root nonaginti / nonageni for ninety / "per ninety". The infix -ari- indicates an adjective/description (nonagenarius = "having ninety"), with the suffix -an indicating a representative noun.
Together, nonagenarian refers to "someone with ninety of something" as a logical composition of existing language elements, all of which you'll find elsewhere too. It will probably have evolved naturally by people slapping on parts to describe something and others picking it up because it made sense. From there, it made its way into English as Latin words tend to.
If anything, we ought to appreciate that the "years" part of that composition is omitted, lest we would need to include something related to anni, maybe nonagenanniarian which would be even longer and more complex.
As to why people use it: Sometimes, a single descriptive noun or adjective is less ambiguous that multi-word structures. Sometimes, people want to mix up how they refer to things and use different words. Sometimes, people just want to sound erudite.
And sometimes, people pick up speech habits without much thinking about it, because they're used to people understanding it. You didn't, but congratulations: you learned a new word!
Every single assisted living facility in the United States would do the same thing. They are businesses designed to strip every last bit of wealth before we die, they do not give a shit about their residents customers.
Yeah but have you ever tried to care for aging parents outside of a retirement community, sucks all your time, money, and energy leaving nothing else for the rest of your family. End of life care is a great place to extract wealth if you're heartless. People are their most scared and vulnerable, they'll pay anything to feel normal for just a little while longer
Yes, my mother has advanced Parkinson’s and I was her primary caretaker for years before we finally had to move her into assisted living. I know very well how ill-equipped our society is for elder care.
People always talk about how it takes a village to raise a child, but we rarely talk about the village required to care for our elders.
Personally, I would rather kill myself than end up in a facility like my mom is in.
The sad part is, it’s one of the best facilities around in a very HCOL area. We pay $8000 per month just for room and board. When she needs more care that price will increase. You’d think with ~100 residents all paying at least that much that the place would be really good, right? But the staff is all paid minimum wage so they can’t hire people to provide the basic services they advertise, like transportation. The meals are all made from institutional wholesale ingredients like liquid “eggs”, frozen meat and vegetables, and red delicious apples.
My mom has been burgled by staff and ignored by caregivers while she was stuck on the toilet because the understaffing issue is so bad.
Most of the staff are great people, but the owners are making so much money that they could breed like rabbits and their great-great-grandchildren would never have to lift a finger in their lives.
Well like, what other options are there? Most retirement communities have been bought out by Atria or Life Care Services, stripped of anything that made them special and unique, then had their prices jacked way up. For elderly people they can either A) spend the money all the they could give as inheritance, and take on debt to live in the only places capable of supporting you, or B) kill yourself, give your children as much inheritance as possible and hope that you making that decision means your kids might not have to do the same when it's their turn.
The best option is not to allow corporations to buy up and run assisted living centers to maximize profit. It is apparent that the US government should also be subsidizing and highly monitoring these facilities. They should have strict requirements for activities and care, no more laissez-faire regulating.
When I was in college I had a cohort and one of my colleagues was from an Eastern European country. He was married and had a few kids. He was trying to find a good daycare and came to me very confused.
He said that daycare where he was from was free and very high quality. They had set curriculum, good food, and the government checked in weekly to make sure the facilities were run correctly. He asked why all the US daycares were run down, no curriculum, poor food, poor worker pay, and also extremely expensive.
Here is a guy from a country we would probably look down upon just flabbergasted by our shitty daycare system. It was a real eye opener for me. Needless to say it is entirely possible to improve these facilities.
I think you are right though, unless we start trying to fix these problems holding our breathe is not going to help.
I think they mean it more in the sense of "this lack of money at 93 is not the fault of the individual as there is no means for them to continue to bring in income" not "put her in the mines'
Notice the part where she said she stopped paying rent because she thought she was going to die, and later when she was offered money, said she didn't need it and would likely give away the donations and just wanted her bible..
Hmmm.
Always look up the stories behind the memes. They might not really be about what you think they are.
There's a bunch of articles with conflicting details. It does look like the facility tried a few different avenues before evicting her, but I haven’t seen a report mentioning involvement from a healthcare professional trained to handle situations like this. Every article does make it sound like that’s exactly what she needed though. It’s also entirely possible that when she said she thought she was going to die soon, she was referring to the potential mold issue she had been complaining about. I don’t think the article you linked mentions anything about that. I could be wrong though since I read a few.
There’s also this quote from another article:
Ms Fitzgerald, who was interviewed in jail while dressed in an orange jumpsuit, tearfully refuted the claims. Asked about why she would not pay the rent, the woman, who was handcuffed and appeared to have bruises up her arms, said of a housing facility employee: “She wouldn't take it, that woman blamed me for the mould.”
She added: “I paid my September rent and when she decided she was going to put me out, she wouldn't accept any rent after that.”
The truth is probably somewhere between the two accounts. But honestly, that’s beside the point. Even if the living facility's version was completely accurate, a 93 year old woman should not have ended up bruised and dragged out of her home by police just because she withheld rent for two months and refused to follow an order to vacate. Full stop.
Oh, I don't disagree with you on that. She did apparently find permanent housing and I looked all over the place for later news on her like an obit or anything, actually.. so I can only assume she's still kicking somewhere and is now 100.
Notice the part where she said she stopped paying rent because she thought she was going to die, and later when she was offered money, said she didn’t need it and would likely give away the donations and just wanted her bible…
And the full thing with context is this:
Karen Twinem, with National Church Residences, which owns the Franklin House where Fitzgerald has lived since April 2011, said Fitzgerald told the staff she held back rent for the past three months because she thought she was going to die soon.
Fitzgerald denied that claim, telling News 6 that she tried to pay October rent but was denied.
So your provided context is misleading and it shows that most people trusted you and didn't read the article for themselves.
This is the part I twigged on: "Fitzgerald denied that claim, telling News 6 that she tried to pay October rent but was denied.." the entire thing is fishy. I was witness to an almost identical event involving a relative who was nearly as old and was a passive-aggressive manipulator right up until the end. Not saying that the woman in the article was manipulative, as none of us really knows, other than the nursing home and because of HIPAA rules they can not say the real situation.
Generally, nursing homes will keep residents for as long as they can. If she was saying afterwards that she did not need donations, it speaks to the fact that she might not have been poor. This could have been, like in my own relative's situation, that the nursing home staff was at their wit's end with the resident. That she's saying she had money and they STILL wanted her out.. That's a HUGE red flag that the resident is problematic.
My own relative was caught lying repeatedly to the point where the home had to double up staff when they interacted with her because she would claim her property was being stolen or things didn't show in the mail that she claimed had arrived..(Had to call the person who was sending the item and in fact, it was still on his kitchen table waiting to be mailed..)
The final line she crossed was that she had a Medtronic pump for her pain meds and she refused to give up the bolus that she'd dose herself with. They had their own scheduling for medications and of course with that, timing is everything so there was no control.. She was put into a police car against her will and sent to her home. Was so aggro with the cops they threatened to book her for disruptive behavior. Bounced right back into a different facility that had a bit more robust drug control policy and within a few short months got busted for smoking in her room.. with a roommate in the bed next to her that was on oxygen.
That was a fiasco of spectacular proportions. The temper tantrum she had after they turfed her room and took all the cigarette lighters and matches was thermonuclear and involved no less than half a dozen policemen trying to get her sorted.
When you deal with seniors that are really old, you CAN sometimes be dealing with someone that isn't going to play nice.
Sounds like you had a pretty shitty relative. I'm still going to withhold blaming the woman while both sides have contradictory accounts so different someone is obviously lying. I don't doubt there is a chance this woman is like you say, but we don't have enough information to infer, so I prefer to wait before casting blame until we know the truth of the situation.
Which we likely will never get, but hey if it ever goes to court, maybe we'll get to find out someday.
The thing that leads me to think she might have been/is a toxic person, is that I could not find a single follow up to her story.
No family came out of the woodwork to explain her situation and defend it.. no social care workers saying they found her accommodation elsewhere.. just nothing.
Which.. is unusual for a story like this.
Not even an obituary for someone with her name that would be of the right age.
Hmmm. Red flags all over this one. Will likely never know for sure.
Notice the part where she said she stopped paying rent because she thought she was going to die, and later when she was offered money, said she didn’t need it and would likely give away the donations and just wanted her bible…
Damn you know what, in that case she totally deserved it.
Like who fucking cares? Why do you even think that's something important to mention?
Read the article, the guy you replied to cut context, the care facility said she told them that, but she claims she tried to pay rent but couldn't and that she never said that.
The most disturbing part of this is, she made it to 93, and wasn't able to pay rent. Does America have no way to pay their retired and elderly people a living wage at the end of their life?
Like, she's not even just retired, she's elderly. The "Golden years" of wearing a diaper and needing a walker, kind of elderly.
Even if the charges were dropped and she was allowed to go home, the fact that it got to the point where she was hauled off to jail in an orange jumpsuit and cuffs should not have happened. Someone should have stopped and said, "are we really going to try to send a 93 year old to jail?" And that should have been where it stopped. Because that's not something you do to a 93 year old for missing a few rent payments.
America is cracked man. Should not have gotten there. What the actual fuck.
Man, I only retired 3 years ago, for medical reasons, and with only just enough money. In that 3 years, essentially everything has doubled in cost. In another 3 years it will probably double again. So, it's pretty easy to see me being in a similar situation eventually, although at least I do own my home.
Many retired people on fixed incomes are feeling the squeeze....
I'm still working and things are getting more expensive faster than I'm getting raises. I don't own a home and doubt I ever will be able to afford it so my only retirement option is a shotgun.
Social Security was supposed to float them after the time they could make a living. That's drying up faster than water in a desert Nestle is siphoning from.
The people living in America exist solely to serve the needs and wants of the oligarchy. If you're not working to make them more entrenched, you are useless and they would really prefer you just die.
You can't be 'the richest country in the world" if 40% of your citizens are in poverty. The US "gov" is corrupt and greedy. This place truly is a shithole...
The funny thing is they keep thinking that well into their 70s living in trailer park. Led by a guy with one foot in the grave stealing billions ...for what?
That is in fact why. It only takes a moment of inattention. Even if they are 90 it's not like they move in slow motion or something. Sure, they can slow down with age, but that's not universal.
But being poor is a crime! She could have invested in crypto and gotten rich off of dumping it, but noooooo!
She had to "RrTiRe" and "EnJoY hEr wInTeR YeArS". Lazy layabout. She'll learn the value of HARDWORK once she's making license plates, and maybe then she can pull herself up by her bootstraps by investing those $2 a day and earning her keep in about- oh, say a 100 years?
People live to be 200, right? I don't know, I'm not good with numbers.
Trigger Warning: Now before anybody comments that I'm evil for this, I'm not saying I would do it, or that I condone it but that I would understand why someone would, and could totally see it becoming an issue. Especially with copycats and such.
That being said I could totally see people getting to the point of hopelessness and going out by suicide by cop, either directly going after police, or whatever mega-corp, or landlord or whatever they perceive to put them in that position. Obviously a 93 year old woman likely doesn't have the strength to pull a trigger but as this inequality issue continues to rise and more and more people are losing hope due to issues outside their control dangerous and scary things are likely to happen. Just like we never solved bullying and it led to school shootings, if we don't solve inequality, I'm afraid that mass shootings are going to go up.
What you're describing is basically how active shooters are born, including school shooters. And this is also why there are more active shooters in the US than in the next 50+ countries combined.
Inequality leads to crime. A system that exploits citizens at every step leads to active shooters. These phenomena are so well known and documented, it's physically impossible for the current and previous 10 American governments not to be and have been aware of the issue. They must have simply deemed it an acceptable cost.
Absolutely agreed. But the arms industries are worth more and have more influence than American lives. Including children. We live in the cyberpunk 2077 prequel.
You're missing the point. If everyone had a place to live comfortably, there wouldn't be the hopelessness that leads to such things. But logically as hopelessness goes up, as does crime, including major crimes. I think you came into this wanting to be mad about what I wrote, and got mad about it despite agreeing with me.
Edit: or you're a troll and intentionally taking the message wrong to start shit.
Edit 2: God damnit. I didn't consider option 3. You're either AI or too stupid to read. Because that response doesn't actually make any sense in context to what I wrote. I hope it's 1 or 2 because 3 is embarassing to me, but seemingly more likely.
But no, repression, inequality, suffering and violence are preferred because their dads said that was the right way. "My dad worked in the coal mines from the time he was 18 until he died of black lung at 52. If it was good enough for him it's good enough for me"
If I were in that position I would do the same. Either they can't evict me or I get sent to prison and I would be kept warm and fed, rather than the streets where I would probably starve or freeze to death.
They usually just release homeless people charged with petty crimes after the first hearing (24-48 hours) without bail. They can't pay fines, for commissary, phone calls, and all that; or work, so they're not profitable.
Checked my mother's facebook and sure enough she's concerned about it. If there's one thing the elderly care about it's their social security checks. She still doesn't understand who is responsible though.
Except that statement wasn't said by royalty, it's a misattributed mistranslation of a snippet from Jean-Jacques Rousseau's Confessions.
It was written 9 years before Marie Antoinette became queen and while she was still a child and had not yet traveled to France.
This is a classic case of the victors writing history. This quote has been used countless times to try to illustrate that the royalty was out of touch (which I'm neither arguing for nor against here,) however there's no evidence it was ever spoken by the Queen - indeed it wasn't attributed to her at all for many years after her death.
Maybe she did. Doesn't change the fact that using misattributed quotes tends to diminish the perception of the preceding opinion in the eyes of readers.
I think in this case the quote actually paints her in a better light the reality. You can forgive someone for being sheltered and naive, but you have to be a monster to abduct children from their families.
There was no mention of child abduction in the comment I was replying to. I was trying to underscore the point that including demonstrably false information in an opinion piece weakens the piece as a whole.
And this is why corporations can continue doing the thing they do because they can absolve responsibility through individuals.
Quit being a corporate shill, there's no way anyone is this dense unless they're doing it on purpose.
It's a nice viewpoint but it doesn't actually do anything to affect the reality of this, which is that corporations corrupt and change people to do their bidding, and distribute responsibility such that it's often not just any one person who is doing this.
For example, a corporation getting you evicted from your housing for dubious reasons. There are many many people involved in that chain, most of which are not knowingly doing direct harm, including your own government who will enforce that eviction. You have to be beyond blind to not realize this.
America has been doing mass graves frequently and for a long time.
Besides the genocide of indigenous people, there was the mishandling of COVID and the off-shored mass graves at the a Salvadorian mega-prison that Trump pays so many millions of dollars to use.
David Graber suggests in Debt: The First 5000 Years, that the way you get someone to do something truely awful to another human is to hang a debt over their head so they feel that someone else is making them do it.
If the legal system sides with landlords over our most vulnerable members of society, then it is not a legitimate vector of negotiation. What do you think people will have to do when the nonviolent option has been nullified?
I know this is a socialist sublemmy, so “preaching to the choir”, but seriously let’s please abolish rent. I think folks are ready. Rent is basically what created capitalism, right?
I’m not familiar with that particular scheme. In general, I’m against that kind of tax because you can have people with low incomes on highly valuable land, and that’s something you’d want to avoid. But maybe this is addressed by the details of the theory? I’ll check it out though.
Why are we so worried about this woman when nobody seems to be worried about the 93 year old billionaire shareholder who won't be able to manipulate global geopolitical events in their final few years? They should be allowed to extract every ounce of value from our society that they bought fair and square . If you don't like the way things are then go buy your own society. Sheesh.
I feel weird submitting this knowing that even extream sarcasm isn't as obvious as it should be here in 2025
I figure that if I get to my 80's or thereabouts, it will be time to end my life. I don't have the wealth, friendship, or health to enjoy my life at the age of deterioration. Hopefully, society will accept my choice, and offer a painless way to leave this coil.
That said, I would prefer this lady and all other people to have their twilight years to be enjoyable.
80s is too damn long. My retirement plan, same one, will be around 70 if I make it that long. Just judging by how shit it feels to be in my 40s, and I'm in pretty decent shape.
Kinda sounds like a win-win for her when you think about it. The state isn't gonna stick her in high security prison, more like minimum security, so it's basically just a retirement home but this time she doesn't have to pay rent, and under the 8th amendment, prisons in the US are required to provide medical care to inmates (it's not always the best care, but they do get it), which isn't actually the case with poorly funded or greedy retirement homes.
There comes a point when you're old enough that going to prison is actually a better alternative to retirement homes, because a retirement home will actually take your assets so you have no wealth to pass down to your kids, but a prison doesn't do that. if you go into prison as an elderly person, your house is still yours, your bank accounts are still yours, you just can't access them while you're in prison.
Minimum/Open prisons probably aren't so bad, or at least are about the same as retirement homes. Abusive prison guards hitting you? You get that from 'care' workers every day anyway, except this time you don't have to pay for it.
Worked for Churchill, nobody knew.
The nazis got some backlash and we'll never hear the end of it.
Unfortunately as an excuse to to much more horrible war crimes.
Expect a lot more of this with the BBB bill cutting 800billion from medicade. Most seniors 62% in these homes are paid for by Medicaid after all of their assets have been liquidated. These places cost 10k a month or more.
I believe her story is a bit more nuanced. She took the money she received and spent it on her self and never gave it to the facility. She actively did this because she thought she would be dead soon.
So a 93 yo starts mis-spending her rent money, endangering her housing, and the reaction isn't to start monitoring her spending, and other behaviors that might be changing as she ages, and to check her out for dementia, it's to evict her, and toss her in jail.
I’m not defending them. But I’m just informing. She received HUD payments for her rent but used them for fun. To the tune of like 60,000$. She committed fraud with the government assistance she received. It wasn’t money in her bank account.
And doesn't that just expose the underlying immorality even more? The elderly are told to spend down extra money. It's common sense. You can't take it with you. Plan as best you can, right?
Any housing provider or retirement center that can't reasonably deal with the fact that some of their oldest residents might unexpectedly run out of cash, well, I have zero respect for them. Don't open that kind of business if you aren't ready for this kind of entirely predictable scenario. It's just wrong.
This story is very confusing, and I can only assume it's not as cut and dry as this screenshot of a tweet would have us believe. Being evicted because you can't pay your rent and being evicted because you decided to stop paying your rent are genuinely two different things
You can play the centrist, but only if you throw away your morals. Even if she's refusing to pay rent, it's still simply appalling to throw her out. File a civil suit and collect the money in court or from her estate or something. After all, she's 93. If you throw her out, she will probably die. It really is that simple... Or maybe you have different values. I hope not, but some people really are that cruel.
It's impossible to make a moral argument with so little information. Again, we're presented here with a screenshot of a tweet. We have no idea what actually transpired here
Holy bootlicking batman. You already had your argument dismantled elsewhere so I won't do so myself, but what the fuck how delicious does the boot have to be for you to so persistently defend such blatant cruelty? This is "you don't know why those IDF soldiers shot children in the head" levels of apologia and you should think deep and hard about why you're doing this.
It's easy to take a black and white stance like "this is never okay," but reality is never that clear cut. What if she was exhibiting behaviors that put other residents at risk? Should the long term care facility just put up with her and risk the safety of other residents, or should they take steps to remove her? This is just one of many possibilities that are not black and white. Again, we have literally no info to go off of, and we won't because this woman's situation is protected health information.
You mean we have absolutely zero information in a situation where we're responding to a post that literally gives us some information?
If you want to speculate about theoretical violent old women, I guess you can. But even then, let's roll with it. So apparently you're saying it's possible that she's violent and if so then it would be reasonable of them to throw her to the curb. So you think it's okay if they throw her out to die, in that hypothetical. That's your values. And I'm happy to say that I don't mirror them.
My wife worked in the memory care section of a assisted living facility. She quit primarily because the sheer amount of physical abuse from the residents was taking its toll on her health and she was pregnant at that time so it was risking more than just her own life. Many people become violent once dementia starts setting in. Since they no longer have the mental faculties to handle the situation they lash out and they don't hold back. Some of these folks are surprisingly strong despite being in their 80s/90s/100s and in their heads they think they're fighting for their life, when in reality they're just refusing to take their twice daily heart medication for example, or refusing to let the nurse plug them in for their thrice weekly dialysis (which is extremely deadly if any dialysis sessions are missed)
Not the other person you're talking to, but let me take a stab.
First off, I want to point out that you ask your question as if it's difficult to answer, but it's not. If the issue really is violence, the first thing that pops into my mind is bringing in specialists that can treat or rehabilitate her, to make her safer for herself and the other residents. Failing that, they could move her to a different facility better equipped to handle violent 93 year olds. If the issue is just that she's refusing to pay but has the money, file a civil suit and have the rent taken out of her estate. If the issue is that she has no money, help her start a go fund me or whatever, so she can raise the money. Better yet, find ways to reduce or waive her rent so they she can continue to live there for free.
At no point should they consider making a 93 year old with possible mental health issues fucking homeless, and it's concerning that you're implying that that's the only option.
I know this may seem cruel but people who own property to rent it out are making a business of it. If you walk into a store and say I can't pay they aren't going to let you walk out with the merchandise its the same thing with rent. That being said having here arrested is a bridge to far in my opinion.
My grandad was told he’d have to give back his electric wheelchair due to some change in insurance.
He was like “let me know what day, so I can have the news here as your tip a 100 year old ww2 veteran out of his wheelchair”
They let him keep the chair.
i don't know even what insult i wanna use for those people. those are horrible people
Horrible "people".
My grandfather taught me never to dehumanize people.
Once you start seeing people as “less than people” things go bad quick. People are people. There’s good, bad, and ugly. But they are people.
There are subhumans. It’s ok to treat monsters less than they deserve.
Just look at what is happening in the Middle East.
Which is a very human thing to be. Animals don't operate on hatred.
We are both the best and the worst that this world has to offer.
You’ve clearly never met chihuahua. The are kept alive thru hatred alone.
That’s a joke btw. I actually agree with you.
They’re people with a job they need to feed their families. The person who made the call wasn’t the one who made the decision.
I was a GM for a few dollar trees and had to have people kicked out for stealing toothache medicine. I know how bad toothaches can be, I understand they are homeless, but I had a job that needed to feed my family.
The world sucks not the people in it. We are all just slaves to this system we’ve built.
You can make the same argument for ICE, so I won't buy it but I understand the pressure
I would just turn a blind eye if I saw someone stealing medicine
Well if it makes you feel any better I quit that job and got baker acted 4 times in a month for suicude attempts. So I guess we agree lol
My elbow will never bend right again because of that fight with the cops.
Before that I took in 6 homeless people to live with me while they got on their feet.
Have you ever held a man who drank himself to death because he was dieing of aids ? I cried the whole time to the hospital with him.
So… what exactly have you done to help the cause again? Aside from your chair sitting I mean?
Because ive helped so many people the universe won’t allow me to die. And boy howdy have I tried lots of ways. Life clings to me like a parasite.
You want to talk about ice? Have you ever sheltered an immigrant? I have.
I'm sorry for you but I don't see how any of that has anything to do with turning a blind eye if I see someone stealing something from a dollar tree
I won't virtue signal here, I can barely wake up every day to work while masking, let alone taking care of homeless people. So kudos to you for actually trying something
I just got a lot going on dude. I’m know for you’re perspective I just went off on you randomly… it isn’t you.
All I can say is “kudos to you” see how far that got me. I think I said before “how’d it work out for those saints in the Bible “
I’ve done a lot and it cost me a lot. So the best you can without losing yourself.
Sorry for my outburst. It really wasn’t personal at all. It was me.
"Just following orders."
I bet the people were like "smart alec"
I'm like "you go grandpa show them who's boss"
He was a tough old man. He had all the patience in the world for us kids but none for adults who should know better.
His mom died in the dust bowl… from dust inhalation. Then he went to Italy to fight facists. Then came home and joined the board of health and helped develop the rabbis vaccine they could put in meat and drop from planes. He’s the reason you never had to worry about getting rabbis in America.
Try he think they’re going to take his wheelchair? Come and take it!
Oh he also had his name legally changed so he wouldn’t be named after Robert E Lee anymore. He wasn’t a fan of slavery. He also wasn’t a fan of baby boomers. Called them “the me me me generation “
We have lots of rabbis in America, someone should warn the Jewish population that there's a vaccine for them! /s
(I'm pretty sure you mean "rabies" but yours is a hell of a lot funnier)
Oh shit… he had a hat that said Ww2 veteran we never asked “what side”!!! This changes everything!!! At least he was working on a cure tho… joke obviously.
Spelling isn’t my strong point. I’m a salesman and a great “talker” but spelling escapes me
Jokes aside rabies (that right) is a terrible way to go. It was a bigger deal back in the day. In some countries it’s still a big worry.
(So many edits) I’m imagining now my friend Zack who was Jewish walking thru the woods “is this free meat? Well can’t let it go to waste… wait why do I feel like god has left me all the sudden”
Rabies is absolutely horrifying...fear of water and the awful death... your Grandfather sounds absolutely badass.
I wish I could be like him. I guess I’m the dollar tree brand of him.
We all start there, it's up us to grow the beans from dollar tree to history....I made a rhyme
Big mood, ahahaha
Haha, I feel like basically every generation besides Gen X has been called this by this point, nice to know where it started though.
Your granddad's biography would be legendary!
Oh I forget the best story because I just told someone earlier today. He had to pull him out of the nursing home because he kept bullying the younger trump supporters with “ I killed the Nazis once. I can kill them again if I have to”
My dad was a trump supporter up until he died but he voted democrat those years out of respect for my mom’s father.
I swear my grandfather had the presence of dumbledore from harry potter. Like him or don’t but you can’t help but respect him.
fuck trump supporters
DONT fuck trump supporters. It reminds me of the joke “if you go over to a persons house and don’t see any books… don’t fuck them”
Same with trump stuff. I’m asexual myself but I hear sex is a strong motivator for most men.
I just ment trump supporters suck
I know. I’m just being silly lol we live in dark times my friend. I force myself to find smiles whenever I can.
Oh I forget the best story because I just told someone earlier today. We had to pull him out of the nursing home because he kept bullying the younger trump supporters with “ I killed the Nazis once. I can kill them again if I have to”
My dad was a trump supporter up until he died but he voted democrat those years out of respect for my mom’s father.
I swear my grandfather had the presence of dumbledore from harry potter. Like him or don’t but you can’t help but respect him.
"refusing to leave"
Where, specifically, did they expect her to go? Being thrown out on the streets at 93 is effectively a death sentence.
not being able to work is a death sentence in America
guess the freedom in america is the "works makes you free" variety
I saw that sentence somewhere in German.
Reminder that socialist countries like Cuba or the USSR have historically de jure and de facto guaranteed employment, with worse economic conditions and over a half century ago. Unemployment is a capitalist construct and we can do better than that.
i think we need to get rid of the mentality that work is a moral obligation.
what's the point in having exponential productivity increase if we are all still expected to work full time or starve.
we could probably just set up a 20 hour week maximum and the economy would still run. just with less profits for the 1%, but they can go fuck themselves with syphilitic cacti.
That's up for debate, but my point was about work being a guaranteed universal right, not about it being forced at gunpoint.
It's only up to debate if someone's is a capitalist bootlicker.
I'm a communist, so no, the only way to debate this isn't by being a capitalist bootlicker.
ok.
tankie bootlicker? if I'm off, please provide me a slur to use for you...
actually, besides pronouns, it would be polite to ask people for their slurs.
The cruelty is the point
State spending hundreds of thousands of dollars to chase a nonagenarian out of her home over a four figure rent check.
All so some landlord can afford another wing on the McMansion
"Hundreds of thousands of dollars" dude, absurd exaggeration doesn't help anyone. an eviction requires a single non-emergency callout, which in flordia costs around $2500 (evictions are usually categorized as property crime)
Legal filings are covered by the landlord and are significantly more expensive (numbers I am seeing for florida are hovering around $5000, but like all things legal it varies wildly). This was disgusting, but the state isn't paying out orders of magnitude more than the loss just to protect some random landlord.
Yeah it is. It's going to cost between 20 and 30k a year to keep her in a prison, and tax payers will have to pay for her medical treatment as well
She's 90 years old, it's a safe conclusion that the taxpayer was already paying for her medical care via medicare and she was already released (from jail) and the charges were dropped (as has been pointed out elsewhere in this thread). The original comment just made up the cost to farm outrage, and it's fucking ridiculous they felt the need to do that on a post about a 90 year old being evicted.
I know it's rough to see propaganda you agree with called out, but that's what's happening here. That people are reacting as though I'm devaluing or excusing this travesty, I'm not, is the reason I'm doing it - even propaganda you agree with poisons the discussion. Hell, to my eye the cost to throw an ancient woman out of her housing being so incredibly cheap should really make this story all the more disgusting, as it highlights how cheap human suffering really is.
mcmansion is crazy
It's a whole thing https://mcmansionhell.com/
Completely off topic, but had to look up what a nonagenarian is, and what a useless word. Who decided we needed such a long word to say "in their 90s"
No one made it up explicitly, it just follows the formula for the rest of the decade age words like octagenarian
Octagenarian, what a useless word. Let me know when you start looking at the sexagenarians. Oh baby!
You got a problem with it? What are you, some kind of trenagenarian?
No! I'm a teenagemutantninjaterian thank you very much!
The Romans did or at least they created the base word structures. Primus, secundus, tertius, quartus, et cetera could all be compounded with the suffix genarian to create an age bracket specific word. For example I am a secundagenarian.
Completely off topic, but had to look up what a teenager is, and what a useless word. Who decided we needed such a long word to say "in their teens"
Completely off topic, but had to look up what a typhoon is, and what a useless word. Who decided we needed such a long word to say "ocean sky-fuckery"
who's in their teens here don't you have to be 18+??? (I don't really think 18 or 19 year olds to be in their teens)
"Who decided" – like most word constructions, it probably wasn't consciously decided upon by a single person but rather evolved out of existing phrases.
In this case, the Latin root nona- for ninth was extended with the -gin- / -gen- infix used for multiples of ten (viginti = 20, triginta = 30 and so on) to form the root nonaginti / nonageni for ninety / "per ninety". The infix -ari- indicates an adjective/description (nonagenarius = "having ninety"), with the suffix -an indicating a representative noun.
Together, nonagenarian refers to "someone with ninety of something" as a logical composition of existing language elements, all of which you'll find elsewhere too. It will probably have evolved naturally by people slapping on parts to describe something and others picking it up because it made sense. From there, it made its way into English as Latin words tend to.
If anything, we ought to appreciate that the "years" part of that composition is omitted, lest we would need to include something related to anni, maybe nonagenanniarian which would be even longer and more complex.
As to why people use it: Sometimes, a single descriptive noun or adjective is less ambiguous that multi-word structures. Sometimes, people want to mix up how they refer to things and use different words. Sometimes, people just want to sound erudite.
And sometimes, people pick up speech habits without much thinking about it, because they're used to people understanding it. You didn't, but congratulations: you learned a new word!
How do you even live with yourself if you've been a part of those proceedings?
I'd bet you hear a variation of, "just following orders."
Delusion
How they live with themselves:
Every single assisted living facility in the United States would do the same thing. They are businesses designed to strip every last bit of wealth before we die, they do not give a shit about their
residentscustomers.Yeah but have you ever tried to care for aging parents outside of a retirement community, sucks all your time, money, and energy leaving nothing else for the rest of your family. End of life care is a great place to extract wealth if you're heartless. People are their most scared and vulnerable, they'll pay anything to feel normal for just a little while longer
Yes, my mother has advanced Parkinson’s and I was her primary caretaker for years before we finally had to move her into assisted living. I know very well how ill-equipped our society is for elder care.
People always talk about how it takes a village to raise a child, but we rarely talk about the village required to care for our elders.
Personally, I would rather kill myself than end up in a facility like my mom is in.
The sad part is, it’s one of the best facilities around in a very HCOL area. We pay $8000 per month just for room and board. When she needs more care that price will increase. You’d think with ~100 residents all paying at least that much that the place would be really good, right? But the staff is all paid minimum wage so they can’t hire people to provide the basic services they advertise, like transportation. The meals are all made from institutional wholesale ingredients like liquid “eggs”, frozen meat and vegetables, and red delicious apples.
My mom has been burgled by staff and ignored by caregivers while she was stuck on the toilet because the understaffing issue is so bad.
Most of the staff are great people, but the owners are making so much money that they could breed like rabbits and their great-great-grandchildren would never have to lift a finger in their lives.
Well like, what other options are there? Most retirement communities have been bought out by Atria or Life Care Services, stripped of anything that made them special and unique, then had their prices jacked way up. For elderly people they can either A) spend the money all the they could give as inheritance, and take on debt to live in the only places capable of supporting you, or B) kill yourself, give your children as much inheritance as possible and hope that you making that decision means your kids might not have to do the same when it's their turn.
The best option is not to allow corporations to buy up and run assisted living centers to maximize profit. It is apparent that the US government should also be subsidizing and highly monitoring these facilities. They should have strict requirements for activities and care, no more laissez-faire regulating.
It's the best option, and if you can figure out a way to do it I wish you all the luck in the universe. I won't be holding my breath. No offense.
When I was in college I had a cohort and one of my colleagues was from an Eastern European country. He was married and had a few kids. He was trying to find a good daycare and came to me very confused.
He said that daycare where he was from was free and very high quality. They had set curriculum, good food, and the government checked in weekly to make sure the facilities were run correctly. He asked why all the US daycares were run down, no curriculum, poor food, poor worker pay, and also extremely expensive.
Here is a guy from a country we would probably look down upon just flabbergasted by our shitty daycare system. It was a real eye opener for me. Needless to say it is entirely possible to improve these facilities.
I think you are right though, unless we start trying to fix these problems holding our breathe is not going to help.
It's funny how the person commenting is still saying unable to work as an argument. In what word a 93 able to work should be expected to... work?
I think they mean it more in the sense of "this lack of money at 93 is not the fault of the individual as there is no means for them to continue to bring in income" not "put her in the mines'
She's too disabled to work in the coal mines. Otherwise she could do some 10 hour shifts and maybe afford a living with food stamps
More to that story.. Turns out charges were dropped within days.
https://www.clickorlando.com/news/2017/12/19/charge-dropped-against-94-year-old-woman-arrested-for-not-paying-rent/
Notice the part where she said she stopped paying rent because she thought she was going to die, and later when she was offered money, said she didn't need it and would likely give away the donations and just wanted her bible..
Hmmm.
Always look up the stories behind the memes. They might not really be about what you think they are.
There's a bunch of articles with conflicting details. It does look like the facility tried a few different avenues before evicting her, but I haven’t seen a report mentioning involvement from a healthcare professional trained to handle situations like this. Every article does make it sound like that’s exactly what she needed though. It’s also entirely possible that when she said she thought she was going to die soon, she was referring to the potential mold issue she had been complaining about. I don’t think the article you linked mentions anything about that. I could be wrong though since I read a few.
There’s also this quote from another article:
The truth is probably somewhere between the two accounts. But honestly, that’s beside the point. Even if the living facility's version was completely accurate, a 93 year old woman should not have ended up bruised and dragged out of her home by police just because she withheld rent for two months and refused to follow an order to vacate. Full stop.
Oh, I don't disagree with you on that. She did apparently find permanent housing and I looked all over the place for later news on her like an obit or anything, actually.. so I can only assume she's still kicking somewhere and is now 100.
Like a 94 old person isn't quite there any more and doesn't know how to deal with labyrinthine bureaucratic processes?
And the full thing with context is this:
So your provided context is misleading and it shows that most people trusted you and didn't read the article for themselves.
This is the part I twigged on: "Fitzgerald denied that claim, telling News 6 that she tried to pay October rent but was denied.." the entire thing is fishy. I was witness to an almost identical event involving a relative who was nearly as old and was a passive-aggressive manipulator right up until the end. Not saying that the woman in the article was manipulative, as none of us really knows, other than the nursing home and because of HIPAA rules they can not say the real situation.
Generally, nursing homes will keep residents for as long as they can. If she was saying afterwards that she did not need donations, it speaks to the fact that she might not have been poor. This could have been, like in my own relative's situation, that the nursing home staff was at their wit's end with the resident. That she's saying she had money and they STILL wanted her out.. That's a HUGE red flag that the resident is problematic.
My own relative was caught lying repeatedly to the point where the home had to double up staff when they interacted with her because she would claim her property was being stolen or things didn't show in the mail that she claimed had arrived..(Had to call the person who was sending the item and in fact, it was still on his kitchen table waiting to be mailed..)
The final line she crossed was that she had a Medtronic pump for her pain meds and she refused to give up the bolus that she'd dose herself with. They had their own scheduling for medications and of course with that, timing is everything so there was no control.. She was put into a police car against her will and sent to her home. Was so aggro with the cops they threatened to book her for disruptive behavior. Bounced right back into a different facility that had a bit more robust drug control policy and within a few short months got busted for smoking in her room.. with a roommate in the bed next to her that was on oxygen.
That was a fiasco of spectacular proportions. The temper tantrum she had after they turfed her room and took all the cigarette lighters and matches was thermonuclear and involved no less than half a dozen policemen trying to get her sorted.
When you deal with seniors that are really old, you CAN sometimes be dealing with someone that isn't going to play nice.
Sounds like you had a pretty shitty relative. I'm still going to withhold blaming the woman while both sides have contradictory accounts so different someone is obviously lying. I don't doubt there is a chance this woman is like you say, but we don't have enough information to infer, so I prefer to wait before casting blame until we know the truth of the situation.
Which we likely will never get, but hey if it ever goes to court, maybe we'll get to find out someday.
The thing that leads me to think she might have been/is a toxic person, is that I could not find a single follow up to her story.
No family came out of the woodwork to explain her situation and defend it.. no social care workers saying they found her accommodation elsewhere.. just nothing.
Which.. is unusual for a story like this.
Not even an obituary for someone with her name that would be of the right age.
Hmmm. Red flags all over this one. Will likely never know for sure.
Damn you know what, in that case she totally deserved it.
Like who fucking cares? Why do you even think that's something important to mention?
The guy you responded too was misleading, the full quote in his own article paints a completely different story.
It means the disaster was self imposed, not forced by the system.
Read the article, the guy you replied to cut context, the care facility said she told them that, but she claims she tried to pay rent but couldn't and that she never said that.
You added absolutely nothing of relevance to the story.
People who aren’t around 90 year olds expect they are as keen as the 90 year olds on TV.
At 90 there is always some dementia. He is treating this like it is some thought out plan instead of confusion.
She said "Bible" so she's religious, ergo bad.
Throw her to the wolves!
They must be catering to that huge "atheist but not socialist" demographic on Lemmy.
Secular libertarians somehow manage to be worse than religious ones
The most disturbing part of this is, she made it to 93, and wasn't able to pay rent. Does America have no way to pay their retired and elderly people a living wage at the end of their life?
Like, she's not even just retired, she's elderly. The "Golden years" of wearing a diaper and needing a walker, kind of elderly.
Even if the charges were dropped and she was allowed to go home, the fact that it got to the point where she was hauled off to jail in an orange jumpsuit and cuffs should not have happened. Someone should have stopped and said, "are we really going to try to send a 93 year old to jail?" And that should have been where it stopped. Because that's not something you do to a 93 year old for missing a few rent payments.
America is cracked man. Should not have gotten there. What the actual fuck.
Yup.
American here.
As far as I can tell we are totally fucked. As in, if I was smart, I'd be finding a way to get citizenship elsewhere before I get too old.
Man, I only retired 3 years ago, for medical reasons, and with only just enough money. In that 3 years, essentially everything has doubled in cost. In another 3 years it will probably double again. So, it's pretty easy to see me being in a similar situation eventually, although at least I do own my home. Many retired people on fixed incomes are feeling the squeeze....
I'm still working and things are getting more expensive faster than I'm getting raises. I don't own a home and doubt I ever will be able to afford it so my only retirement option is a shotgun.
Social Security was supposed to float them after the time they could make a living. That's drying up faster than water in a desert Nestle is siphoning from.
They had her shit on the curb by the time the squad car rolled off.
The people living in America exist solely to serve the needs and wants of the oligarchy. If you're not working to make them more entrenched, you are useless and they would really prefer you just die.
No. Everytime there is, conservatives cry antichrist and pull Usain Bolt shit trying to get it repealed.
They're about as close as you get to being the literal Sith... outside of North Korea, I guess.
You can't be 'the richest country in the world" if 40% of your citizens are in poverty. The US "gov" is corrupt and greedy. This place truly is a shithole...
Sire you can , it's called inequality.
I wish GDP got the same amount of pushback from people that BMI does whenever anyone mentions it
That claim is of course being made by the richest people in the country.
of course its florida. eventually florida will be evicted by the ocean,
The exact same thing would happen in California. Assisted living facility owners are crooks.
This is what republicans seem to want. Thinking THEY will never be in such a situation so they have nothing to worry about.
Y'all should change the dollar bill line from "in God we trust" to "Got mine, fuck you"
Isn't that what "in God we trust" means already?
Yeah and God is the rigged system they put in place
💯
The funny thing is they keep thinking that well into their 70s living in trailer park. Led by a guy with one foot in the grave stealing billions ...for what?
I dont understand why you handcuff people who clearly are not a danger to anyone.
Because acab
Because knives are easy to hide, and it only takes one free hand to grab an officers gun.
That isn't why. That's the excuse.
Few people can discern the difference.
That is in fact why. It only takes a moment of inattention. Even if they are 90 it's not like they move in slow motion or something. Sure, they can slow down with age, but that's not universal.
Ok, so what's the problem if a 93 year old stabs a cop that's come to kill her?
Seems incredibly hyperbolic to say he's there to kill her, but you do you.
I would be most interested in talking to the 93 year old woman that can successfully grab the officer's gun.
I'd imagine she makes amazing blueberry muffins.
America is insane.
Not insane, America is addicted to narcissism.
So you mean they will house her only in a more expensive and more dehumanizing way.
"heartless animals"
This is basically how I view the United States at this point.
I am American.
But being poor is a crime! She could have invested in crypto and gotten rich off of dumping it, but noooooo!
She had to "RrTiRe" and "EnJoY hEr wInTeR YeArS". Lazy layabout. She'll learn the value of HARDWORK once she's making license plates, and maybe then she can pull herself up by her bootstraps by investing those $2 a day and earning her keep in about- oh, say a 100 years?
People live to be 200, right? I don't know, I'm not good with numbers.
This is Jesus way of saying it's her time.
What makes anyone believe she's capable of surviving eviction? Oh right, they don't care if she dies.
Trigger Warning: Now before anybody comments that I'm evil for this, I'm not saying I would do it, or that I condone it but that I would understand why someone would, and could totally see it becoming an issue. Especially with copycats and such.
That being said I could totally see people getting to the point of hopelessness and going out by suicide by cop, either directly going after police, or whatever mega-corp, or landlord or whatever they perceive to put them in that position. Obviously a 93 year old woman likely doesn't have the strength to pull a trigger but as this inequality issue continues to rise and more and more people are losing hope due to issues outside their control dangerous and scary things are likely to happen. Just like we never solved bullying and it led to school shootings, if we don't solve inequality, I'm afraid that mass shootings are going to go up.
What you're describing is basically how active shooters are born, including school shooters. And this is also why there are more active shooters in the US than in the next 50+ countries combined.
Inequality leads to crime. A system that exploits citizens at every step leads to active shooters. These phenomena are so well known and documented, it's physically impossible for the current and previous 10 American governments not to be and have been aware of the issue. They must have simply deemed it an acceptable cost.
Absolutely agreed. But the arms industries are worth more and have more influence than American lives. Including children. We live in the cyberpunk 2077 prequel.
What exactly would be the "issue", even if there were "copycats", with everyone having a place to live?
You're missing the point. If everyone had a place to live comfortably, there wouldn't be the hopelessness that leads to such things. But logically as hopelessness goes up, as does crime, including major crimes. I think you came into this wanting to be mad about what I wrote, and got mad about it despite agreeing with me.
Edit: or you're a troll and intentionally taking the message wrong to start shit.
Edit 2: God damnit. I didn't consider option 3. You're either AI or too stupid to read. Because that response doesn't actually make any sense in context to what I wrote. I hope it's 1 or 2 because 3 is embarassing to me, but seemingly more likely.
Hey, I've never been accused of being AI before, neat! Let's go with too dumb to read ;)
Well at least your username would be accurate.
Instead of adventurism and solitary acts a few people have written a manual and described a way of thinking that can fix this
But no, repression, inequality, suffering and violence are preferred because their dads said that was the right way. "My dad worked in the coal mines from the time he was 18 until he died of black lung at 52. If it was good enough for him it's good enough for me"
The MAGAts yearn for the mines.
If I were in that position I would do the same. Either they can't evict me or I get sent to prison and I would be kept warm and fed, rather than the streets where I would probably starve or freeze to death.
They usually just release homeless people charged with petty crimes after the first hearing (24-48 hours) without bail. They can't pay fines, for commissary, phone calls, and all that; or work, so they're not profitable.
Checked my mother's facebook and sure enough she's concerned about it. If there's one thing the elderly care about it's their social security checks. She still doesn't understand who is responsible though.
This happens BECAUSE it's the wealthiest country on earth.
We live in a time of larger wealth disparity than the times of peasants and kings.
The royals were also really wealthy as they said in ignorance "let them eat cake".
Except that statement wasn't said by royalty, it's a misattributed mistranslation of a snippet from Jean-Jacques Rousseau's Confessions.
It was written 9 years before Marie Antoinette became queen and while she was still a child and had not yet traveled to France.
This is a classic case of the victors writing history. This quote has been used countless times to try to illustrate that the royalty was out of touch (which I'm neither arguing for nor against here,) however there's no evidence it was ever spoken by the Queen - indeed it wasn't attributed to her at all for many years after her death.
Marie Antoinette abducted children from peasant families.
Maybe she did. Doesn't change the fact that using misattributed quotes tends to diminish the perception of the preceding opinion in the eyes of readers.
I think in this case the quote actually paints her in a better light the reality. You can forgive someone for being sheltered and naive, but you have to be a monster to abduct children from their families.
There was no mention of child abduction in the comment I was replying to. I was trying to underscore the point that including demonstrably false information in an opinion piece weakens the piece as a whole.
And I'm just saying, the reality is worse than the quote. It's ok. I was just adding context.
Same thing now.
Some individuals are the wealthiest on earth.
The US shithole has the biggest (unpayable) debt and is the poorest country on earth.
Money is a stupid concept
Corporations don't care
Corporations are people. Its an excuse to be a dick.
A person made the call to evict her, not a corporation.
A person then told her, "nothing he could do, it's out of my hands."
Then another person cuffed her and dragged her out. "Nothing he could do, he was just upholding the law."
"Wir haben das nicht gewust."
"Befehl ist befehl."
That didn't hold up in Nürnberg and it still doesn't.
Don't do evil shit. Resign. Or be evil and fucking own it. "Yes. I did that and I'm proud of it. I got my bonus, fuck that old tart."
Do not dare to hide behind "the corporation" or "the law".
You.
You did that.
I do not think the person you are talking to did it.
And this is why corporations can continue doing the thing they do because they can absolve responsibility through individuals.
Quit being a corporate shill, there's no way anyone is this dense unless they're doing it on purpose.
It's a nice viewpoint but it doesn't actually do anything to affect the reality of this, which is that corporations corrupt and change people to do their bidding, and distribute responsibility such that it's often not just any one person who is doing this.
For example, a corporation getting you evicted from your housing for dubious reasons. There are many many people involved in that chain, most of which are not knowingly doing direct harm, including your own government who will enforce that eviction. You have to be beyond blind to not realize this.
This 1000 times. People commit evil. Corporations are just the buildings they work inside of.
all corporations should be split into different smaller companies which would be given to the workers who would collectivize them. seriously!
"The Most Christian Nation™ "
Jesus was clearly an anarchocapitalist. /s
are you "there yet", America?
Mass graves?
Nah. Soon though.
America has been doing mass graves frequently and for a long time.
Besides the genocide of indigenous people, there was the mishandling of COVID and the off-shored mass graves at the a Salvadorian mega-prison that Trump pays so many millions of dollars to use.
I'd like to say im surprised but im not the yanks really have lost the bloody plot
David Graber suggests in Debt: The First 5000 Years, that the way you get someone to do something truely awful to another human is to hang a debt over their head so they feel that someone else is making them do it.
'Murica
If the legal system sides with landlords over our most vulnerable members of society, then it is not a legitimate vector of negotiation. What do you think people will have to do when the nonviolent option has been nullified?
I know this is a socialist sublemmy, so “preaching to the choir”, but seriously let’s please abolish rent. I think folks are ready. Rent is basically what created capitalism, right?
what about land value tax (in georgism)? is it a good alternative to rent?
I’m not familiar with that particular scheme. In general, I’m against that kind of tax because you can have people with low incomes on highly valuable land, and that’s something you’d want to avoid. But maybe this is addressed by the details of the theory? I’ll check it out though.
maybe this will help: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Land_value_tax
Nah i think it was banks that started capitalism
Nope!
Why are we so worried about this woman when nobody seems to be worried about the 93 year old billionaire shareholder who won't be able to manipulate global geopolitical events in their final few years? They should be allowed to extract every ounce of value from our society that they bought fair and square . If you don't like the way things are then go buy your own society. Sheesh.
I feel weird submitting this knowing that even extream sarcasm isn't as obvious as it should be here in 2025
Being Heartless is the de-facto standard in capitalism.
Responsible Americans blow their brains out at 75. How dare she.
I figure that if I get to my 80's or thereabouts, it will be time to end my life. I don't have the wealth, friendship, or health to enjoy my life at the age of deterioration. Hopefully, society will accept my choice, and offer a painless way to leave this coil.
That said, I would prefer this lady and all other people to have their twilight years to be enjoyable.
80s is too damn long. My retirement plan, same one, will be around 70 if I make it that long. Just judging by how shit it feels to be in my 40s, and I'm in pretty decent shape.
National Retirement Plan: Prison Industrial Complex
Kinda sounds like a win-win for her when you think about it. The state isn't gonna stick her in high security prison, more like minimum security, so it's basically just a retirement home but this time she doesn't have to pay rent, and under the 8th amendment, prisons in the US are required to provide medical care to inmates (it's not always the best care, but they do get it), which isn't actually the case with poorly funded or greedy retirement homes.
There comes a point when you're old enough that going to prison is actually a better alternative to retirement homes, because a retirement home will actually take your assets so you have no wealth to pass down to your kids, but a prison doesn't do that. if you go into prison as an elderly person, your house is still yours, your bank accounts are still yours, you just can't access them while you're in prison.
if prisons weren't so inhumane and degrading
Norway?
medieval monastery
Minimum/Open prisons probably aren't so bad, or at least are about the same as retirement homes. Abusive prison guards hitting you? You get that from 'care' workers every day anyway, except this time you don't have to pay for it.
In the
welthiestcountry with the biggest debt on earthYou USAians are half a step away of just shooting her.
🤣 It's like putting one leg in boiling hot water, the other one in liquid nitrogen and calling it room temperature.
The US is a third world country with some very rich people.
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You assume they have hearts.
Why not gas her? It worked for the nazis.
And waste good gas? Just throw her alive into the mass grave, and stack bodies on top like
wethey did in Bosnia.Worked for Churchill, nobody knew.
The nazis got some backlash and we'll never hear the end of it.
Unfortunately as an excuse to to much more horrible war crimes.
This is why it's better to die and become a ghost and haunt a place.
Who needs to be 93? Especially in THIS timeline.
Expect a lot more of this with the BBB bill cutting 800billion from medicade. Most seniors 62% in these homes are paid for by Medicaid after all of their assets have been liquidated. These places cost 10k a month or more.
I believe her story is a bit more nuanced. She took the money she received and spent it on her self and never gave it to the facility. She actively did this because she thought she would be dead soon.
So a 93 yo starts mis-spending her rent money, endangering her housing, and the reaction isn't to start monitoring her spending, and other behaviors that might be changing as she ages, and to check her out for dementia, it's to evict her, and toss her in jail.
I’m not defending them. But I’m just informing. She received HUD payments for her rent but used them for fun. To the tune of like 60,000$. She committed fraud with the government assistance she received. It wasn’t money in her bank account.
Even so, this shouldn't happen. Several persons did some really evil shit here.
I did a dick move because she was also behaving like a dick.
Really? That excuse didn't work in Kindergarden and sure as shit doesn't hold up in the grown up world.
MAGAs ascribe to the Two Wrongs Make A Right philosophy, but only when the second wrong is by a MAGA. EVERYTHING is wrong if it's a Democrat.
And doesn't that just expose the underlying immorality even more? The elderly are told to spend down extra money. It's common sense. You can't take it with you. Plan as best you can, right?
Any housing provider or retirement center that can't reasonably deal with the fact that some of their oldest residents might unexpectedly run out of cash, well, I have zero respect for them. Don't open that kind of business if you aren't ready for this kind of entirely predictable scenario. It's just wrong.
what would mao zedong do?
This story is very confusing, and I can only assume it's not as cut and dry as this screenshot of a tweet would have us believe. Being evicted because you can't pay your rent and being evicted because you decided to stop paying your rent are genuinely two different things
You can play the centrist, but only if you throw away your morals. Even if she's refusing to pay rent, it's still simply appalling to throw her out. File a civil suit and collect the money in court or from her estate or something. After all, she's 93. If you throw her out, she will probably die. It really is that simple... Or maybe you have different values. I hope not, but some people really are that cruel.
It's impossible to make a moral argument with so little information. Again, we're presented here with a screenshot of a tweet. We have no idea what actually transpired here
We have no idea what actually transpired here, but there's no viable chain of events that would make it acceptable to evict a 93 years old. Full stop.
https://mander.xyz/comment/23783525
Holy bootlicking batman. You already had your argument dismantled elsewhere so I won't do so myself, but what the fuck how delicious does the boot have to be for you to so persistently defend such blatant cruelty? This is "you don't know why those IDF soldiers shot children in the head" levels of apologia and you should think deep and hard about why you're doing this.
There is no situation where this is okay. I'm sorry you have to be told this.
It's easy to take a black and white stance like "this is never okay," but reality is never that clear cut. What if she was exhibiting behaviors that put other residents at risk? Should the long term care facility just put up with her and risk the safety of other residents, or should they take steps to remove her? This is just one of many possibilities that are not black and white. Again, we have literally no info to go off of, and we won't because this woman's situation is protected health information.
You mean we have absolutely zero information in a situation where we're responding to a post that literally gives us some information?
If you want to speculate about theoretical violent old women, I guess you can. But even then, let's roll with it. So apparently you're saying it's possible that she's violent and if so then it would be reasonable of them to throw her to the curb. So you think it's okay if they throw her out to die, in that hypothetical. That's your values. And I'm happy to say that I don't mirror them.
My wife worked in the memory care section of a assisted living facility. She quit primarily because the sheer amount of physical abuse from the residents was taking its toll on her health and she was pregnant at that time so it was risking more than just her own life. Many people become violent once dementia starts setting in. Since they no longer have the mental faculties to handle the situation they lash out and they don't hold back. Some of these folks are surprisingly strong despite being in their 80s/90s/100s and in their heads they think they're fighting for their life, when in reality they're just refusing to take their twice daily heart medication for example, or refusing to let the nurse plug them in for their thrice weekly dialysis (which is extremely deadly if any dialysis sessions are missed)
Ok, let's roll with it then. What would be your solution in this hypothetical situation that avoids removing her from the premises?
Not the other person you're talking to, but let me take a stab.
First off, I want to point out that you ask your question as if it's difficult to answer, but it's not. If the issue really is violence, the first thing that pops into my mind is bringing in specialists that can treat or rehabilitate her, to make her safer for herself and the other residents. Failing that, they could move her to a different facility better equipped to handle violent 93 year olds. If the issue is just that she's refusing to pay but has the money, file a civil suit and have the rent taken out of her estate. If the issue is that she has no money, help her start a go fund me or whatever, so she can raise the money. Better yet, find ways to reduce or waive her rent so they she can continue to live there for free.
At no point should they consider making a 93 year old with possible mental health issues fucking homeless, and it's concerning that you're implying that that's the only option.
I honestly could not care less why she stopped paying
"Ackchually, I don't know the details, so maybe they were right to evict an ancient woman"
all land should be publicized from the landowners. seriously!
I know this may seem cruel but people who own property to rent it out are making a business of it. If you walk into a store and say I can't pay they aren't going to let you walk out with the merchandise its the same thing with rent. That being said having here arrested is a bridge to far in my opinion.
Hot take: your life is worthless unless you add value
You're a piece of shit
Why? Cause I'm calling out this hot take?
You are cruel and you disgust me
So, do we know whether she voted capitalist or socialist while she could?