After the dominion war, why would the founders not only continue making Jem'Hadar, let alone changing them to include the existence of a second gender and ability to reproduce sexually?
a) why would they stop? Just because you lost one war doesn’t mean you dissolve your entire military.
b) perhaps the Jem’Hadar at some point seized control of their own cloning facilities and made the necessary changes. Or the Founders eventually turn over a new leaf and grant them autonomy. 800 years allows for any number of explanations.
As long as the Ellison's control Star Trek it will never have a return to form. So this will be as bland as SNW S3 was when Fascism is taking hold all over the world. I feel classic Trek would have something to say about that.
Paramount: We need to ensure this new show attracts as many people as possible while maintaining a strong identity of Star Trek. How can we hit those points with the Ad campaign?
Marketing: Well our focus groups are saying that a lot of Star Trek fans are still yearning for something closer to the aesthetic of 1990's Star Trek
Paramount: I zoned out there for a bit but I did hear aesthetic of 1990's. Make that the core of advertising!
It’s not even that, it’s Avery Brooke’s powerful voice and Patrick Stewart’s piercing eyes as they confront one another for the first time, the briefing room filling with tension as Sisko’s barely contained rage breaks against Picard’s steely reserve, knowing both are just surface defences covering the hidden hurt they reach feel, both victims of the same implacable foe, both denying themselves the comfort of…
We’re all nostalgic for the same things here, right? Yes? No?
Jacket looks slick. I'm in favour of leaning more towards civilian higher education aesthetics and away from military ones. After all, aren't we always being told Starfleet isn't a military?
We are told Starfleet isn't military, but what we are told and how it (often) acts and is structured like always meant an interesting conflict.
Also, I don't mind that it looks more like higher edication than military. I mind that it looks too much like what we have nowadays. Star Trek fashion was, though memeable, it's own distinct thing. Like we don't do fashion today as people in the 18th or 19th century, why should 23rd or 24th century fashion look like ours?
ENT played that nicely, those costumes bridged the gap almost perfectly (especially Starfleet uniforms), looking enough like later (in the timeline) stuff but reminiscend of what we have today, like a natural evolution.
Bur Academy is to be set in 32nd century, it should be as distant to us as the 10th century.
Alright, that's fair reasoning. I don't sweat it when a sci-fi future looks oddly contemporary, just like I don't sweat it when a period piece does the Bridgerton thing of including modern pop songs and printed dress patterns. A little artistic licence doesn't bother me for stuff like that, but I get the perspective.
crap I've yet to start Strange New Worlds as "new trek" really doesn't agree with me but I was willing to give it a shot. so...it turns out bad? The last Star Trek I watched was Picard S3 and I kinda enjoyed it but that was after I struggled through S1 and 2.
Well, imagine releasing an episode depicting how biological essentialism expresses in vulcans while the world revels in fascism and racists trying to tell us how people are hardwired based on perceived 'race' and ethnicity.
Or while civil societies struggle and fight back against lobbyists, radical capitalists, all kinds of power grabbing individuals, releasing an episode literally saying "good systems are good because good people are in charge".
Oh, and there's the speciesist episode.
Then there's even more and overt memberberries.
That's six of ten episodes. Another episode is the second part of the last episode of season two. The remaining three episodes are okay.
Season 1 of SNW liked to shred canon almost every episode. And binge watching it:
::: spoiler spoiler
the serial reveal of a deep dark secret for nearly every member of the bridge crew got old real fast.
:::
But the cast was good enough that I kept watching. In season 2 we got Carol Kane and a great cross over episode and that's most of what I remember.
I got 3 episodes into season 3 and set it down. I'll probably finish it just before season 4 starts and that will decide if I watch 4 or not. I still haven't mustered the energy to watch Disco season 5.
Given the time period it was made (ie, now) it's entirely possible there was some artist who was ordered by a manager to use more AI in their work and was forced to edit the output to try to make it look less like shit.
It's just a lot of HDR processing. You get this when you extend curves to maximize range and then crank the vibrancy and definition sliders to the top.
it looks like AI because the older Stable Diffusion models had flaws that caused them to prioritize vibrancy instead of realism.
Can't wait to see all y'alls bingo cards leading up to this show?
Character with dark secret past hinted at in Ep 1 and revealed/confirmed in ep 2 or 5.(Maybe a youthful thug, killed someone / accidental death, or related to a legendary character)
Pregnancy scare
classroom or messhall inspirational speech by the underdog (teachable moment)
cameos, verbatim quotes or callouts to major characters or moments in the first 15 mins
bad teacher is good / exceedingly nice teacher is season end villain
No chance it doesn't suck.
They aren't making it for you. They are making it for young people, new audience, so it will be a cookie cutter bs show, with bad acting, no real story with illogical plot holes all around.
It will be pointless and cringe.
These companies are unable to make something good and the proof is that they don't.
All the other parts aside, how on earth did they make this look so shitty? The quality is awful, colors are too saturated, the lighting is clearly fake, and everyone's skin looks like they slathered Vaseline on themselves.
My biggest concern is with the new ownership. The lack of any announced queer rep, SNW’s tepid third season, and even the pointed heteronormative attire in this poster all seem in line with a Trek that’s not going to push for anything progressive.
I agree with you that a Star Trek teen drama has potential though. Star Trek was built to encompass a variety of genres. Most around here seem to have appreciated the Star Trek animated comedy, and I don’t hear much denigrating of Bakula’s West Wing in space proposal, so I don’t see why 90210 in space should be such a punchline.
The TMP novelization’s version of the academy featured competitive orgies between the human and Deltan residences, iirc. Anything less than that, and I’m calling this show out for not being true to Gene’s Vision®.
At this point I’m just accepting that we’ll have to sit through 3 bad shows to get 1 good one. I guess I’m okay with that as long as they keep cranking them out.
To be fair, it wouldn't be the first time a Trek premiere's promotional image looked like a poorly-done bag of ass evoking the general garbage stylings of the era.
I'm as fatigued with bad Star Trek as I am with bad Star Wars now.
I'm honestly not excited to hear of any new Star Trek until they have a major change to show runners, or enough people who enjoy classic and 90s Trek come out and say, "oh wait this new one is great".
It's not for us anymore, friend. They'll milk the franchises we love until they're just a husk, then dump it. Some upstart may revive it, but then it just gets put back into the cycle.
Welcome to pure greed capitalism; fuck you, pay me. Tomorrow is the next asshole's problem.
I think it is great when we look at atypical stories within the worlds they build. Not saying this is going to be good - just that the same stories in the same environment over and over does get old.
Maybe someone said "make a stupid generic teen drama poster and watch people lose their shit."
I like all Trek. (To preempt any whatabout responses, here) I consistently downvote and dismiss all "NuTrek" whiners. I don't even like the term. And don't even get me started on the "The Orville is the only good/real Trek in the last blah blah blah" MFers. But this has me a little worried. Is Tilly going to be the least annoying part of the show?
This is the poster you make for season 4... After you've won everyone's hearts and minds, people are invested in the group dynamics, and people feel the humanity of the drama. Can you imagine if nuBattlestar led Season 1 with the last supper promo image? It would have fallen so utterly flat and turned people off.
Good summary of my expectations, but let's give it a fair chance first.
Even if it's the best Trek ever made, the reaction to the poster will stand.
Please don't make it a generic US high school drama. There's already enough US-defaultism in Star Trek.
Also, the image is glossy, it feels like AI generated
I thought it was an AI head swap too...
Are we sure it's not an AI head swap? It does feel off.
Edit: At best, it feels like they took an AI pass to correct some lighting or something.
They are real glowy but the Klingon has a near mirror sheen going.
There's no way those actors posed for that image at the same time.
So shiny that it's uncanny
Hopefully more of a community colleges vibe
Hmmm. A recurring cameo role for Jim Rash (Dean Pelton from Community) would buy a great deal of goodwill, from me.
is it me or did they change Klingon physiology yet again?
Yeah, I’m pretty sure they were incapable of smiling before now.
32century stuff. Everyone is a little bit of everything, so make-up gets to be whatever.
They are part Jem’Hadar.Wrong character.Omg I hope that's not a thing. Canonically Jem'Hadar can't reproduce
I mean, it has been like 800 years. It's not a stretch for that limitation to be overcome.
After the dominion war, why would the founders not only continue making Jem'Hadar, let alone changing them to include the existence of a second gender and ability to reproduce sexually?
Why would the Founders have to have anything to do it? Other species have the medical knowledge to do it.
a) why would they stop? Just because you lost one war doesn’t mean you dissolve your entire military.
b) perhaps the Jem’Hadar at some point seized control of their own cloning facilities and made the necessary changes. Or the Founders eventually turn over a new leaf and grant them autonomy. 800 years allows for any number of explanations.
Even better, there’s a female Jem’hadar. We see her in the first trailer.
Wait wait, what? I missed that
Isn't that character a Tellerite/Klingon hybrid or something?
Or rather multiple characters of varying hybrid-ness.
I guess we can call it tradition at this point…?
It's going to basically be Saved By The Bell but star trek.
Stardate: 90210
"Make that, but much more glossy and artificial looking!"
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=uOMA_S57J8A
That was not the best version, those cuts ruined the pacing.
Smiling Klingons? He looks like he doesn’t even care about honor!
and a science cadet at that.
Maybe we will finally see some of the supposed non-warrior Kjngons
like Alexander?
That's Alexander in the promo image!
any hope I had left has left my body.
thanks.
He doesn't, he works for Paramount.
The more I see of this the more I realize that it's probably not going to be for me. That's fine, I'll give it a try anyway.
I'm hopeful due to the presence of Tig Notaro, Paul Giamatti, Robert Picardo, Stephen Colbert, Oded Fehr, etc
Those are all the people and characters I want to see. Where is their poster?
As long as the Ellison's control Star Trek it will never have a return to form. So this will be as bland as SNW S3 was when Fascism is taking hold all over the world. I feel classic Trek would have something to say about that.
I debated coming in here and saying I wasn't going to watch this due to Paramount and Ellison, but I decided I wouldn't. But now here I am, saying it.
Make Captain Pike kiss a trans woman damnit. Make a fucken statement! It matters that our media does this.
Paramount: We need to ensure this new show attracts as many people as possible while maintaining a strong identity of Star Trek. How can we hit those points with the Ad campaign?
Marketing: Well our focus groups are saying that a lot of Star Trek fans are still yearning for something closer to the aesthetic of 1990's Star Trek
Paramount: I zoned out there for a bit but I did hear aesthetic of 1990's. Make that the core of advertising!
It's not even the aesthetic we want; it's the writing style.
It's not even that, it's the feeling we had when it was the 90s/00s and the good Star Treks were new...ish
It’s not even that, it’s Avery Brooke’s powerful voice and Patrick Stewart’s piercing eyes as they confront one another for the first time, the briefing room filling with tension as Sisko’s barely contained rage breaks against Picard’s steely reserve, knowing both are just surface defences covering the hidden hurt they reach feel, both victims of the same implacable foe, both denying themselves the comfort of…
We’re all nostalgic for the same things here, right? Yes? No?
It's really hard to beat Picard. He's already seen everything
Not sure if this is real or just a piss-take.
Reminds me of this old meme:
I'm really starting to believe.
The huge rise in fascism I could accept, but THIS???
Still not gonna watch it. The poster neither makes it seem interesting, nor does it indicate someone learned from the debacle that was SNW S3.
Plus that fucking college jacket.
Jacket looks slick. I'm in favour of leaning more towards civilian higher education aesthetics and away from military ones. After all, aren't we always being told Starfleet isn't a military?
We are told Starfleet isn't military, but what we are told and how it (often) acts and is structured like always meant an interesting conflict.
Also, I don't mind that it looks more like higher edication than military. I mind that it looks too much like what we have nowadays. Star Trek fashion was, though memeable, it's own distinct thing. Like we don't do fashion today as people in the 18th or 19th century, why should 23rd or 24th century fashion look like ours?
ENT played that nicely, those costumes bridged the gap almost perfectly (especially Starfleet uniforms), looking enough like later (in the timeline) stuff but reminiscend of what we have today, like a natural evolution.
Bur Academy is to be set in 32nd century, it should be as distant to us as the 10th century.
Alright, that's fair reasoning. I don't sweat it when a sci-fi future looks oddly contemporary, just like I don't sweat it when a period piece does the Bridgerton thing of including modern pop songs and printed dress patterns. A little artistic licence doesn't bother me for stuff like that, but I get the perspective.
crap I've yet to start Strange New Worlds as "new trek" really doesn't agree with me but I was willing to give it a shot. so...it turns out bad? The last Star Trek I watched was Picard S3 and I kinda enjoyed it but that was after I struggled through S1 and 2.
Well, imagine releasing an episode depicting how biological essentialism expresses in vulcans while the world revels in fascism and racists trying to tell us how people are hardwired based on perceived 'race' and ethnicity.
Or while civil societies struggle and fight back against lobbyists, radical capitalists, all kinds of power grabbing individuals, releasing an episode literally saying "good systems are good because good people are in charge".
Oh, and there's the speciesist episode.
Then there's even more and overt memberberries.
That's six of ten episodes. Another episode is the second part of the last episode of season two. The remaining three episodes are okay.
SNW is largely good, but S3 has an unusually high number of goofy/gimmicky episodes that's aren't very good.
Also eugenics advocacy, biological essentialism, and some very gross takes from trek overall. Woohoo?
Season 1 of SNW liked to shred canon almost every episode. And binge watching it: ::: spoiler spoiler the serial reveal of a deep dark secret for nearly every member of the bridge crew got old real fast. :::
But the cast was good enough that I kept watching. In season 2 we got Carol Kane and a great cross over episode and that's most of what I remember.
I got 3 episodes into season 3 and set it down. I'll probably finish it just before season 4 starts and that will decide if I watch 4 or not. I still haven't mustered the energy to watch Disco season 5.
Star Trek: High School Polycule…? Is that where we’re going?
I’m so confused
I mean... that is a frontier where no Trek has gone before!
Unless you count fanfic.
I had a teacher once who had made a kind of guide/map of the Trek slash/fic community, at the time.
It was fascinating and delightful.
Obvious Kirk/Spock is the classic, but apparently the kinky side end of the Trek community is strong, passionate and creative.
"High school polycule" would mean a never ending source of drama
wtf did they use AI to generate this poster?
Or it is really bad photo editing/manipulation. That poster looks really bad.
Yeah probably, none of them have extra fingers. But wow did someone screw the targ with this poster.
Given the time period it was made (ie, now) it's entirely possible there was some artist who was ordered by a manager to use more AI in their work and was forced to edit the output to try to make it look less like shit.
It's just a lot of HDR processing. You get this when you extend curves to maximize range and then crank the vibrancy and definition sliders to the top.
it looks like AI because the older Stable Diffusion models had flaws that caused them to prioritize vibrancy instead of realism.
You could be right, this does look a lot like the fake HDR pictures that were common in the 2000s
Yeah, and the AI generator was set to '90s
What the fuck am I seeing?
My boy! Look at what they've done to you!
I can't even tell if this is real any more.
We already had Star Trek Last of the Summer Wine with Picard, and a live action Lower Decks so anything is possible.
How's old blighty?
Rainy
Can't wait to see all y'alls bingo cards leading up to this show?
"If I'm pregnant there's no way I'll make Nova, Principal Bigsby help me"
Well, they all look like really good F.R.I.E.N.D.S.
Very gender sterotype in the clothing design. Skirts for women, pants for men. I can already tell its going to be shitty.
gO wOkE gO bRoKe hurr durr
Please don't suck....
It probably will. That blonde woman wears what seems to be a damn college jacket.
No chance it doesn't suck. They aren't making it for you. They are making it for young people, new audience, so it will be a cookie cutter bs show, with bad acting, no real story with illogical plot holes all around. It will be pointless and cringe.
These companies are unable to make something good and the proof is that they don't.
All the other parts aside, how on earth did they make this look so shitty? The quality is awful, colors are too saturated, the lighting is clearly fake, and everyone's skin looks like they slathered Vaseline on themselves.
The light source is 3 different sunsets and everyone is too damn skinny
All I can imagine is "dumb as hell"
There's a significant lack of excitement for "90210 in space" in this thread, so I'm gonna try to defend the idea.
It sounds kind of fun, to me. I liked NuTrek, though. The part of NuTrek I disliked was it's snap back to status-quo before the end of the first film.
Seeing inexperienced cadets do cool space stuff, I'm down for.
My biggest concern is with the new ownership. The lack of any announced queer rep, SNW’s tepid third season, and even the pointed heteronormative attire in this poster all seem in line with a Trek that’s not going to push for anything progressive.
I agree with you that a Star Trek teen drama has potential though. Star Trek was built to encompass a variety of genres. Most around here seem to have appreciated the Star Trek animated comedy, and I don’t hear much denigrating of Bakula’s West Wing in space proposal, so I don’t see why 90210 in space should be such a punchline.
This is the future Section 31 wants.
Section 90210
Edit: sorry, joke was so obvious I encountered it further down...
Horny Trek
Approves:
The TMP novelization’s version of the academy featured competitive orgies between the human and Deltan residences, iirc. Anything less than that, and I’m calling this show out for not being true to Gene’s Vision®.
At this point I’m just accepting that we’ll have to sit through 3 bad shows to get 1 good one. I guess I’m okay with that as long as they keep cranking them out.
To be fair, it wouldn't be the first time a Trek premiere's promotional image looked like a poorly-done bag of ass evoking the general garbage stylings of the era.
I can't help but still feel excited for this premier, from this ad. Maybe they knew it didn't matter how they presented it, haha.
Also, they really underestimated Marina Sirtis' impact on the series, based on her placement here.
They also overestimated Wesley's crew commission. By rights he should be wearing one of his hideous Season 1 sweaters.
Never cared about Star Trek, but my god this is going to suck. Like ROP levels of suck if not more.
I'm laughing already!
... it's not a comedy? Oh dear...
This reminds me of that teen parody of Stargate from episode 200 of Stargate.
I’m shocked it’s taken this long for someone to post that piece of comedy gold.
I'm as fatigued with bad Star Trek as I am with bad Star Wars now.
I'm honestly not excited to hear of any new Star Trek until they have a major change to show runners, or enough people who enjoy classic and 90s Trek come out and say, "oh wait this new one is great".
It's not for us anymore, friend. They'll milk the franchises we love until they're just a husk, then dump it. Some upstart may revive it, but then it just gets put back into the cycle.
Welcome to pure greed capitalism; fuck you, pay me. Tomorrow is the next asshole's problem.
Shiny happy people holding hands
It’s astounding to me that the recipe for a good Star Trek show is just right there for the taking and we continue to get just shit like this.
I think it is great when we look at atypical stories within the worlds they build. Not saying this is going to be good - just that the same stories in the same environment over and over does get old.
I’m just not hopeful due to the new owners of paramount global…….. sup reruns ::insert wink, finger snap to finger gun::
Another stupid teen drama... Pass
Haha.
ST:90210
I want to like this, but wasn't I promised Commander Tilly. Where's Commander Tilly?!
Can't see the Klingon's arms, but does Starfleet Academy have an admission requirement that one be improbably swole?
For the men? Yes. Women must be slender with nice legs.
Wait, what if this is an in-universe recruitment ad?
I'm hoping it's a joke.
Maybe someone said "make a stupid generic teen drama poster and watch people lose their shit."
I like all Trek. (To preempt any whatabout responses, here) I consistently downvote and dismiss all "NuTrek" whiners. I don't even like the term. And don't even get me started on the "The Orville is the only good/real Trek in the last blah blah blah" MFers. But this has me a little worried. Is Tilly going to be the least annoying part of the show?
Please be a joke.
And I read that Tilly is only in a couple episodes.
The Orville is the best of pretty much all the new Trek. It's a new story, it's not a retread, it's well done, and best of all it's not Discovery.
Looks absolutely insufferable.
star trek continues and battle of axanar got a cease and desist. and instead they give us this bullshit!!!
Starfleet CW
Interesting that the Klingon cadet is in blue. There are ways that political tension around cloaking technology could play into his stories.
This is the poster you make for season 4... After you've won everyone's hearts and minds, people are invested in the group dynamics, and people feel the humanity of the drama. Can you imagine if nuBattlestar led Season 1 with the last supper promo image? It would have fallen so utterly flat and turned people off.
Why does it look like a poster for The OC or 90210?