to my expierence
tech savvy ppl and non-techy ppl both dont like Edge, Bing and copilot
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Something about Microsoft UI just feels so off for some reason. Material UI, Apple stuff all feels good to use but clicking on a button in Microsoft UI is just... bad.
Windows-only users would never know, but people who've either used a modern mac or linux computer will understand.
Or windows users that have been around 20 plus years....
Really it is sad just how bad its all gone.
I have Linux on my gaming PC, a Windows laptop at work and regularly work on a Mac to test stuff. I literally don't see what you people love so much about the Mac UI. "Same but different", sure, but nothing groundbreaking.
Fisher-Price actually has solidity to it. I'd take that over these pseudomagical plastic sticky notes.
People called Windows XP "Fisher-Price"!
yeah it does really feel plasticky in the worst way
I think because they try so hard to be edgy (eheh) and different from the others, by constantly trashing known tested paradigms, refusing to fix known problems, all whike trying to invent the "brand new thing" that nobody wants and never reallt works out.
What I find interesting is when typically non tech savvy people start using things like Brave.
Goes to show how shit the tech industry is
You forgot the panel where the tech savvy people wash their hands afterwards
In my experience non-techy people just don't know what Edge and Bing are.
Which "non-techy people" are we talking about here?
Nowadays some people only use smartphones or maybe tablets, and they might not know that. But most non-techy desktop users still use Windows and they certainly ought to know the default browser (and its search engine) on their OS, I would think.
I'm talking about people on Windows desktops. They don't know what Windows is, they confuse Office with Windows all the time, they go online through the "internet symbol" which is their default browser that they don't know the name of. Google is their default search engine and they've never seen any other search engine.
If Google is their default search engine, they must at least be tech-savvy enough to have changed the search engine in Edge, or installed another browser (probably Chrome).
No they complained to enough people around them that "the internet doesn't work" until someone did it for them
Is the 1# bing search still "google"?
I love how you guys go "oooh, tech savvy this" and "tech savvy that", but you consider Chrome to be something fundamentally different than Edge without some extra features.
Buddy, it's all Chromium. Sure, the telemetry data goes to MS instead of Google, but that's it, that's all the difference there is. Ignoring, of course, all the extra stuff MS has added, like vertical tabs, mouse gestures, etc.
"Tech savvy people use the Chromium with Google telemetry instead of Chromium with extra features and MS telemetry!!1", lol!
I don't see where I said anything that contradicts anything in your comment.
They might know the icon; they probably don't know its name tho.
And in my experience, non-tech people use the default browser and its default search engine. If they hate it, they certainly don't show it.
For many non-techy people it's probably simply the internet button.
Lol when our CFO called it "the wave browser"
Edge is just Chromium now (so worth hating still, but for different reason), and Bing has its uses. Hell, isn’t DuckDuckGo basically Bing?
Porn?
Also yes.
Go on...
Like I said, it’s one of the engines that drive DuckDuckGo. These days I only turn to Google on the rare occasion that DuckDuckGo fails me, so Bing gets some appreciation from me there.
Google isn't as good as it was and bing isn't as bad as it once was
Not just DuckDuckGo - the majority of search engines and voice assistants that aren't Google use data from Bing. It's the largest search engine that has a public API. Even search engines that have their own index usually use Bing to supplement their results.
Id feel better about DuckDuckGo if it wasnt shoehorning ai
DDG seems fairly gentle about pushing it though.
Meh
Unfortunately even most DDG results are just ai slop now.
Something really cool you can do though is block sites from showing up in the results.
So if you're looking up Linux answers for instance and you keep coming across "First of all, what is a Linux, we're going to..." Ai slop sites, you can click thr 3 dots next to the result and tell it to blacklist that site.
Not perfect, but definitely helps!
You're quite limited on how many sites you can block. I at least try to report them, but it's 90% of results and ai just keeps generating new domain names. Welcome to homehelpfixshowervalve.com!
Google has been enshittified to the point where I constantly have to re-search on Bing to actually find an answer.
Yup. Never understood the Bing hate, they got better years ago. DDG is a source in my SearXNG instance, does fine.
Yeah, it's like bing but actually anonymous.
Tech savvy people like Duckduckgo, Duckduckgo uses Bing under the hood
Ah, finally someone using the European open Search index?
SearXNG is not a search engine. It is a Frontend for everything from Google to bing.
Yacy what you did there
DDG uses a whole bunch of stuff, including feeding anonymized results through the bing API, but they've been largely driven by their own indexes for several years now after using Bing to bootstrap themselves.
i like edging
Did I tell anyone about that time that I use arch?
Yeah, this is "tech" "savvy" people, not actual people who understand tech.
The current version of Edge is literally just Chrome with extra bells and whistles.
I just call myself a "guy on linux with a firefox fork" and nothing more to be honest.
Non tech savvy people don't care which browser they're using. A lot of them do actually use Edge, since it comes with Windows.
Google is fucking unusable as a search engine now. Bing is literally better now if you block the AI part.
Was searching for something very simple. Google literally wouldn't find it. Changed the search terms multiple times.
Tried bing and it literally popped up as the first result with the same first search I tried on Google.
This isn't a one time thing either. Give me an alternate to Bing. But Google is literally hot garbage now.
I use Edge on Linux
Hello Satan.
Not OP, but I have been meaning to talk to my Ubuntu admin about Intune on his systems so we can use conditional access on them.
With how difficult it had been to get macs setup, I have a feeling Edge will be the only way it works.
So in enterprise situations....I'd say "Plausible".
Personally I mostly use Firefox on Linux, but Proxmox gui doesn't handle that so well...so for that I have an App-isized Ungoogled Chromium window.
Am an admin, funny thing about conditional access, we use various conditions but one is geolocation; we bar all logins outside of three countries relevant to our workers. We employed it mostly due to a continuous low-threat brute force campaign targeting a few exposed accounts that my data analysis had identified. In testing it out from Red Team’s perspective I quickly realized that conditional access will indeed prevent a login outside of the whitelisted countries, but it will gladly let the attacker know that the reason the login failed was due to conditional access and not an incorrect username/password. So all Red Team has to do is brute force the password and then VPN over to our country of operation and they’re in.
Bing used to be better than Google for a time but it has gotten worse too to the point where I use Google again. Edge is, IMO, unfairly maligned. It's a perfectly good browser, although Microsoft begging me to use it is quite annoying.
Honestly, the preinstalled spyware aside, Edge is a pretty good browser. It's, like, Chrome but better
Setting aside my requirements to minimize spying and avoiding big tech. I agree.
But the dick is at least lubed!
Chrome is fucking us all no matter what form it happens to be taking at the time.
I use edge on Mac.
Me too, I tried using Firefox on Mac but for some reason its power consumption is insanely high.
if im using chromium, it's gonna be vivaldi
Can it set the bookmarks bar to only show up on the new tab page yet?
yeah basically any bookmarks you put in your speed dial older show up on the new tab page
Speed dial is not the same as bookmarks though
Bing is a better search engine than Google, but both are pale imitations of their former selves. It's amazing how bad search has gotten in the last ~5 years
Edge is actually pretty great. Bing…well, the image search is okay.
Don't knock Bing Videos, either. It's the best porn search engine in existence.
I’ve heard that! But I’m gay so I’m not sure the shareholders want it to serve me.
I'm pan and trust me it's not an issue. You can find anything you want there.
I love edge...
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Im dumb, whats the w logo?
Waterfox. It started out as a 64-bit build of Firefox for Windows, back when Mozilla didn't offer that yet. These days, I believe, it just offers a few different defaults...
Ohh
Like librewolf its basically firefox without mozilla bs
And it also has an android version
And with RFP on by default.
I didn't knew librewolf had an android version. Fdroid?
They don't. On their website they recommend ironfox for android. Haven't tried it yet myself though (i have hoarded over 100 tabs on my phone so it's kind of a pain to switch browser).
Where is Vivaldi?
I'm tech savvy, and I dislike Firefox.
Any particular technical reason?
Past experience where they sucked it up. I used to be a Firefox apostle spreading the good word, then they start getting worse when chrome was getting hot. And it's been so easy to stay on chrome with no issues over the past 12 years that I haven't had any inkling to move back. There was a hard minute where Firefox sold out and shared data, sold it, and just wasn't great.
Isn't Chrome the one known for sharing data?
I've been using primarily LibreWolf for almost a year and have not had any trouble using just Firefox based browsers for over three years. (Before then I needed Chromium for M$ teams occasionally)
And honestly at this point every browser pretty much out there shows data one way or another. And for a good hard minute Firefox was notoriously selling data because they were bleeding dry on their foundation and they needed to earn money so they decided to sell user data. At that time Chrome was much more secure and they don't necessarily sell data as opposed to sharing data with themselves.
in the meanwhile im using Zen Browser.
Thanks for introducing zen
No Problem, hope you like it!
On my work computer I actually use Edge over Chrome since it has vertical tabs by default.
Edges vertical tabs are actually one of the best implementations. Zen is close but it can be unstable, especially if you start moving tabs out of the existing window, it fucks up essentials.
I hate Bing but right now I am sour on anything Google.
I know this is the wrong place for this but I like edge.
I'm using Edge and Bing right now, on Windows 11
clearly, either ragebait or Microsoft rewards.
ew
Not true in my experience, I would say the majority of windows users I see these days use edge and bing. Most don't use copilot though
\sigh
I'm pretty tech savvy, I daily drive Arch and I don't use Firefox or anything based on Gecko. Meme doesn't check out.
you might be the only Linux user evee to have nstalled Edge
I didn't say I use Edge.
i was just kidding around no worries :3
NP, man 😂