I am fucking tired of this shitty behavior.
Editing to delete all of this. I am getting real threats again, and I am not willing to have a complete mental collapse over fucking Lemmy for a 2nd time. Fuck this place. And especially fuck all of the transpose assholes bent on making my life hell. I am deleting my accounts permanently, but will leave the content up. Don't worry, you won't need to kill or doxx me, I intend to take care of the former myself.
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Yeah they are also an Ai simp and just constantly stealing other people’s content.
That’s what bothers me.
The constant reposts have made it more difficult to find the original content. At the very least put where it’s from in the body or something so I can look there
All of my crossposts should show in the cross post menu, OC is additionally tagged with the username
Like this:
::: spoiler Why am I cross-posting .ml content?
Fear of retaliation in the form of withheld support from dessalines or "slow walked" at the very least.
Has Dessalines actually done that? Its open source, so if .ml got an update, anyone could just take it back.
Edit: so that's a no, just random fearmongering about Tankies.
Ok, that’s fair. I really appreciated this explanation!
::: spoiler Why am I cross-posting .ml content?
Wait, are people just getting mad at you because you crosspost from .ml instances? You are doing the Flying Sphaguetti Monster's work.
Yea pretty much, .ml defenders or ideology aligned people for sure
There's also a group on Lemmy who hate power posters and only want to see people that post handcrafted artisan posts and not articles or memes. Which is baffling because Lemmy/PieFed/Reddit are all of social media type known as link aggregators LMAO
Could users request to be added to your block list? Which you could copy over when creating new accounts.
Maybe a dumb one here but came to mind :)
The Lemmy blocking system is very half baked, possibly intentionally, and doesn't work in this manner. Blocks on my side only prevent me from seeing them, but they will still see (and be able to interact with, which is the big problem with it) my posts/comments
Otherwise I would totally do this lol
This wouldn't solve the problem. They'd just roll in with cm0003. You need an IP ban or some similar source specific censorship. Even then, it's a moving target when the end user is determined enough.
CG NAT and VPNs want to have a word with you.
OP did say:
This doesn't need much determination. And especially with CG NAT you would IP ban not only one person, but a whole block or even district of persons.
Most trolls don't even know what those are, though. And in my experience, making an account somewhere else is more effort than 99.9% put in already.
You're still missing the point
What's the point? OP mentioned that there's still ways around an IP ban in theory. They're still widely used to great effect in practice.
The point he is trying to make is that an IP ban can also affect innocent users in the crossfire, if they share the same IP. For example because of CGNAT
Yep, there's at least two different people who are playing this sockpuppet game already. One went by, among other names, lucky8 and would only post think-tank political articles across dozens of communities - an actual propaganda account. Another appears to just repost reddit content onto Lemmy, they had a name similar to darnelle until they started picking other names.
These accounts stand out a lot more whenever you take a look at a specific-purpose instance like a country or subculture instance, rather than a large general-purpose instance like yours or mine. A lot of people complain because these sockpuppets flood an instance with propaganda or just off-topic junk.
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I did notice the sudden influx of new accounts under the cm0002 name, I wasn't entirely sure it's actually the same guy or somebody impersonating him. I don't see why he'd need that many, and most of the accounts are very new despite him having been around for a long time.
Oh, that's a good point. @OP that is one reason for making it not work the way you describe, it makes it super-easy to destroy any user just by making new alts with their same name and then having them be obnoxious. IDK what the fix is really, it is a real problem that people can make alts to do ban evasion.
@[email protected] I should ask also, are all the described alts actually you?
Most are, but I have had an impersonation problem in the past, so there are a few imposter accounts mixed in there. This is another reason to have these accounts, prevention of it happening again.
@[email protected]
Thats actually what I guessed was happening. Sometimes I make accounts on services I don't use just to "reserve" the username.
It's an old tactic to reserve your name on every server.
that sounds exhausting
Saying every post was admittedly hyperbolic. Saying "many" would have been more appropriate I agree. I am well aware of the vendetta against ml. The point here is that even if someone attempts to ban or block them, the effort is immediately bypassed.
You literally wrote "every single post" in bold face lol
Yeah, I am pissed off and annoyed. I edited the post body.
None of my accounts have been banned from any instance or comm to the best of my knowledge, with the exception of .ml which they do because they don't like me calling them out
Evading other users blocking me is not my intention and is just an unfortunate side effect. On the flip side, its not like it take any effort for one to block a user
A user, yes. But having to do it constantly as you continue to re-create accounts on every instance you can find is another matter.
The way your post was making it out to seem, "forces an instance to federate out" sounded like he was doing something so egregious that he was forcing instances to be defederated, sheesh. On the bright side, you've Barbara Streissanded his good work.
Nah, with every account you create and use to interact with another instance, the instance that you made that account on takes on the burden of all of the data associated with it including images etc. Making alts is a dick move. If you make your own instance and are happy with it, then navigate to and post to a large community on a large instance, your instance is going to get flooded with pictr and general db stuff. Don't make alts.
I have reasons, I'll just copy paste a previous response:
::: spoiler Trolling .ml (or Why am I cross-posting .ml content?
I'm just finally looking at those links that you list. Based on just the first couple of "quotes", they're not direct quotes but your interpretation of what they're saying. I get it that you hate lemmy.ml and the Lemmy devs, but this is pretty poor behavior to claim that those are direct quotes.
"Uyghur atrocity propaganda equate birth control with genocide." Is his literal words for the first one, some are memes and you almost have to interpret into a quote. How do you directly quote a meme?
Besides, here's one that just happened earlier today, no quotes no interpretation other than saying what happened (banning people who call out Russian propaganda): https://lemmy.zip/post/53268068
And those are only highlights, the megathread has many MANY examples
Please explain how:
"It's kinda funny because the evangelicals like Zenz peddling the Uyghur atrocity propaganda equate birth control with genocide. Plus many of them think that birth control also contributes to 'the white genocide'"
that Dessalines wrote becomes:
"Don't worry guys, the Uyghur Genocide was REALLY just birth control!"?
How can you claim that that is a direct quote in your supposed dossier of Lemmy dev statements post that you keep spamming? It seems that many (most? all? I haven't reviewed all of them yet) of your other "quotes" are similar in nature - your own radically distorted interpretation of what they said.
I would be careful if I were you, because you could be opening yourself up to be sued for libel in some jurisdictions. You could easily correct this by making it clear in your posts that those are not direct quotes from the devs but your own paraphrases and reinterpretations.
That's what they want. They want you to never actually click a link, they want you to take their word for it.
Some of the stuff that's actually said it atrocious and disgusting. Some of it is hyperbole and out of context to make them look bad.
Meanwhile if we just post their actual wording and actual beliefs, people would side more against them.
If we mixed in hyperbole and bullshit with the real, it gives them ammo. It makes people second guess. It just muddies the water.
But they're on a tirade against weirdos online who think Russia is cool for various inconsistent reasons that contradict each other. So why not lie and repost memes manually? That's clearly a better time if someone's life.
Right. I feel that any argument one may have gets severely weakened by using distorted examples. If nothing else, any possible good examples get drowned out and discredited by bad examples that are easily verified to be bad.
Ans that's why I'm all for documenting bullshit of anyone, any organization, any company, anything, as long as it's documented verified shit.
Otherwise it just gives them ammo to ignore the reality and say if 40% if false, then 100% must be.
They also really hate when you say this when they do their spamming of their mega thread.
I don't like the content they post (it's indistinguishable from botspam) and I especially don't like the fact that I can't just block it. Every week it's a new spam account.
Blocking is a user ban. Making so many new accounts is (from a personal, user-experience level only) very much like ban evasion in that view. The experience fucking blows.
I get that a lot of people are digging what cm0002 posts, and I don't mind that they are getting off to it. I don't, and I'm tired of playing block wak a mole. I don't know what else to do but to keep blocking every time they get bored and make (for some reason???) yet another (over twenty and growing!) account on a new instance. I could see two or even three for like, you want to keep a porn account separate from public, or you want a mander persona and a world persona or something, but this is so supermuch not that.
If people don't like me, and no doubt I'm on a lot of people's blocklists (for good reason...), they can block my single name and move on with their lives and never have to deal with my manic bullshit ever again. More power to them, go off and slay, queen, it's a great feature of this broad community.
Is it really too much to ask to be shown the same courtesy?
@[email protected] another comment summarizing the issue
Unfortunately nothing anyone says will change their mind or behavior. :(
"If dozens of users have issues with me, I can't be wrong. They are!"
Major .world players are just from Reddit so we can't expect much.
Every time I mention blocking all of .world as a valid and good solution, 3 shitlibs downvote me and another angel gets their wings
If .world was mass defederated, Lemmy would have a lot less bigotry so that'd be nice.
For other people blocking me, I don't really care if they do or don't, it's just unfortunate unintended side effects for the actual reasons below. If I was really ban/block evading I'd just make up an entirely new user name each time, it would be FAR more effective and longer lasting.
Shopping for a new home instance
Exploring the Threadiverse from different perspectives (the "hot" feed you see can vary quite a bit depending on the instance you're on lol)
Learning that the bot intended to better interconnect instance comms may not be doing as good of a job
Interconnecting wayward or much smaller instances, a couple of them are missing even the big comms, one I was on the other day I needed to manual have it federate with every comm I posted to
For the creation of comms on fitting instances or just among a regular rotation of general instances so I'm not making a whole bunch on any one instance
Prevention of a reoccurrence of my imposter problem
::: spoiler Trolling .ml (or Why am I cross-posting .ml content?
I do feel like there's a legitimate complaint to be had that since you're doing heavy / automated posting, it would be good to pick one and only one instance/user to do it from just to be polite to people who don't want that, and have it blocked.
I feel like all the weeping and gnashing of teeth that OP is doing isn't necessary, since you're obviously not intending it badly, but I do feel like there's a grain of legitimacy somewhere in there.
Fair, though it's definitely not automated. Heavy posting yes, automated no.
The absolute irony here is that I actually considered this perspective weeks ago, but I figured since you can block a user in 3 clicks or less straight from the encountered post the burden of anyone out there blocking me would be low and nbd. Ig not lmao
Well, but multiply that by the number of people who for one reason or another you just don't want to see their content, and then multiply again by the number of instances you have your own accounts on, and I think it's understandable for people not to want it to be multiplied again by some number of alt accounts for each poster.
It just shouldn't be on the individual to have to invest effort every day into that kind of thing. If it's one account, and you just don't vibe with it, then fine. But if it turns into an ongoing project, I do get the irritation even if the amount of effort you're being randomly required to activate at random times is quick and trivial. Like if you just got randomly resubscribed to communities sometimes that you had unsubscribed from, and then had to unsubscribe from them again, that's not a lot of effort to do, but the amount of effort is not the point.
That's the core of the issue summarized.
Another post where people complained about having to block new alts constantly: https://feddit.org/comment/9997824
Homie isn't even using a script‽ Complete respect for the game!
Can you just make this easy for everyone, then, and create your own instance (which hosts the account from which all your heavy posting will come), and use your other accounts for whatever else you might want to do.
This:
enables users or instances that may want to not interact with you to enact that effectively
allows you to see posts from and post to every instance and community which reciprocates a desire to be connected with you (or at least which doesn't want to not be connected with you)
All without putting the burden on others for your excessive account creation and posting.
I have no strong opinion about the user in question, but not everyone has the resources to host their own instance. In addition, from my understanding, even those who do might not be open to the burdens that come with doing so (regardless of whether they're prolific posters).
Hey! It's that person they're talking about! Seriously though, I appreciate your constant posting and keeping this site alive.
Stop using logic.
It is unhinged behavior to do this in response to not liking admins of a lemmy instance and I just feel bad for this person that this is where they channel their life energy into.
Books and making art are too boring. Making new accounts every month and manually reposting content to the point dozens of users ask if you're a bot a week is a better time.
Documentation of their toxic extremism it's a little more than mere "dislike" when they themselves are toxic to the Threadiverse and support the idea that anyone not aligned with their authoritarian values should just "go back to Reddit"
Hamid hmm any relation to the hardcore tankie defender hamid@vegantheoryclub 🤔
Get a life
But this is their only task in life
Hi again gofer!
Still refusing to even see evidence I see lol
What's the conversion rate between posts to goat points? 10:1?
And here is a good example of whataboutism or red herring, attempting to shift to a different topic that distracts from the original point or question.
they need a life
how dare you not look at the evidence I made to make goat happy and proud of me
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ we all have our hobbies
And yours is refusing to follow rules or accept accountability, thereby making degrading the fediverse for thousands of people? And even worse than that, you think that is acceptable?
What rule(s) am I breaking? What accountability am I denying?
Do you want people to break rules or do you want them to obey the rules
I mean, I'm not a "tankie" and make a point of posting to non-ml communities when there's a choice of ml and non-ml because I think there's some toxic moderation going on there, but I also would prefer that shitlibs go back to reddit and stay there 🤷
Jesse, what the fuck are you talking about??
How would permablocking a certain username help? He'll just change it. Not sure if IP bans are on the table, but those can be circumvented fairly trivially as well.
I can see how shadowbanning would help in such a case, but I'd rather not see such things on the platform at all if possible.
It's actually a pretty bad idea. Trolls would use it as a weapon. Argue with them and they'll make an alt with your username then do stuff to get you (rather, your username) permabanned from Lemmy.
It's the same thing with sunshine, pugjesus, and dude. I can't fucking stand it. I don't want to see the same 4 people posting because they're on a manic upswing/addicted to the platform. I try to block their accounts but it seems like they have already spun up 4 more to submit from a different spot. It's awful and devalues lemmy (for me). I would be better off never seeing their posts again.
I think people like PugJesus are great because they bring here the content we need?
So flooding communities with low effort reposted content is what we need?
Yes, but in addition to the history memes and other good and unique content, PugJesus also isn't a tankie, and sometimes even argues vocally with tankies. cm0002 is the same.
I suspect that's what's actually behind this: Some kind "Mean Girls" effort to damage someone's reputation because they are giving wrongthink to the community. Maybe I'm paranoid. At face value, though, the whole thing of "HOW DARE YOU PUT MEMES IN MY MEME COMMUNITY EVERY DAY ARGBLGRBGLRBG I'M SO ANGRY NOW" makes so little sense that I think it's safe to assume that something else is the reason.
I think having a specific beef with tankies and going out of your way to aggravate them instead of just putting them on block says quite a lot about a person living in the second rise of fascism
He spends more trolling Tankies and being a redditor about online debates than he does doing anything about fascism.
But you ask his favorite political party to do more to stop fascism, he'll ban you from every community he mods, even if you weren't saying it in any of them.
He hates leftists more than he hates the fascists in office that impact his life then terminally online Tankies who LARP as revolutionaries.
He also scans his username often on Lemmy, so I'm sure before the end of the week he'll demand you reply to him as he bans you. Or he'll stalk public discord and matrix servers and then say they're obsessed with him.
I don't think he's going out of his way to aggravate them. I think he's encouraging other people to not interact with them and calling attention to some of their bad behavior. I do think that makes sense. Some people care a lot about the truth, and it'll really aggravate them to have people being hostile and dishonest all over their social network, posting propaganda, attacking or banning anyone who disagrees with them, just generally being cocks. They'll want to "fix" it or at least draw attention to it as a problem. That makes sense to me.
Maybe it is a little extra to even care about these weird text-only networks to that extent... but I do get it. It makes sense to me. He's not just doing it for no reason. And yes, that is important in or out of fascism. Having at least one little electronic network where people can talk about these things and not have to be banned or attacked if they say the wrong thing does seem like an important thing, maybe more so the more that truth is under attack on the outside.
He's made multiple communities about them and then links to the communities/posts, then also does it in other communities.
And how many communities and posts has he made about fascists? A few posts, no communities.
How many about terminally online weirdos who think LARPing as revolutionaries and simping for Stalin? It's about 50% of his posts when he's not making memes about Rome like a Xitter user.
Lol you're overthinking it. I just don't want a single user dominating my feed, that's really all.
And you confused not wanting one user to dominate your feed with "this fuckwqd" "this shitty behavior" "shitty, bad faith action" "Then every single post from every one of these account is very heavily upvoted. Oh, that isn’t suspicious at all" "also an Ai simp" "Maybe some kind of probation could help?" "reflects extremely poorly on lemmy/threadiverse in general that this type of behaviour is tolerated at all let alone encouraged" and so on and so on.
You guys need to chill the fuck out lmao. He's posting stuff. That's what Lemmy is for. I get the complaint about doing it from different accounts if he's going to be a heavy poster of this perfectly normal content he is posting, I can agree with that part of it. But you guys can't be going fucking mental like he's trying to summon Cthulu in the basement and must be stopped at all costs, and then all of a sudden turn around like "calm down bro you're overthinking it's just not that serious" when people are trying to figure out what caused this towering issue about it.
I mean, that's cool. I just prefer my feed to feel more organic from a broader user base. Different strokes for different folks. That's what is cool about lemmy - you don't need to have the same cookie cutter experience. Block who you want and consume submissions from people you enjoy. More power to ya if you're into it. All good brother.
I feel like you need to be directing this calming energy at this guy. I'm perfectly calm, I was making jokes.
Nah. Not a guy.
Got 'em 😉😘
I like that they're putting more stuff out on the fediverse and pulling some focus away from .ml.
I just wish I had the time to do the same. We really need more people adding a wider mix of content.
It's a script/bot, that's how they have time.
It's not, I have stated many times in the past. The only automation is a push notification I get about a new post
If you have to tell users across your many accounts you're not a bot, it's you and not them.
It's an age old argument from long before I had left .world and had a bunch of alts. Even before I started crossposting .ml. A lot of power posters end up being accused of being a bot by a certain minority of users lmao
A certain minority? Genuinely curious who it was. I don't know how to ask without seeming like a sealion or something else "debate bro".
Just that there's a group of users who are anti-power posters for sure who really hate seeing the same users posting for some reason. I have someone who blocks me because I apparently post...phoronix...a tad too much for their liking lmao
I don't have a problem with people posting a lot, but people making over a dozen accounts as frequently as every 2 days pisses me off.
How do you feel about that Sludge fella, though?
overrated
Yeah, me too, I hate when people post things lol
Like every time I see a history picture in the feed I'm like ARGHH FUCK THIS GAH GLU BO and I start chewing the furniture
Are you being obtuse on purpose? You can’t see how creating additional accounts could be annoying?
Here’s an example. I subscribe to ![email protected], and cm0002 has posted (or reposted and I have the originating community filtered out, possibly) from three different servers in the past two days.
I get that federation means you can switch accounts easily but it can be kind of annoying.
Is that what PugJesus is doing? I thought he had one account on lemmy.world and then made one on piefed.social and posts more or less the same stuff from both which is generally pretty benign at least in my worldview.
I do kind of get what you're saying, sure. Overall I think the problem of people making new accounts to get around ban evasion is a serious problem. I even checked out https://sh.itjust.works/ to see what you're talking about, and yeah I get it, there's a bunch of meme posts from cm0002 high up in the feed and I get how that could be annoying if that's not your thing. I guess I don't subscribe to the meme communities, so maybe that's why I'm just befuddled by the idea that someone could be this bent out of shape about those particular users.
That's what's confusing to me about it: There are users on Lemmy who go out of their way to be obnoxious and make it difficult for people to block them, or post content that's malicious in some way. I don't see anyone on your list as being like that. They're just posting stuff. IDK, you can also try out scaled sort which aims to give a more balanced feed without the "big name" communities dominating so much.
I guess I do agree with you, actually, about it being a problem overall people making new accounts and making it difficult for people who just don't want to see their stuff. That's why I asked cm0002 why he's made so many accounts, I kind of get that aspect of it, you shouldn't have to answer anyone's questions if you just don't want to see someone's content. I just don't get where this vitriol comes from about it. Like in the link I showed, he's posting memes in a meme community and then people are upvoting them, and so they show up. I don't get where the "ARGH HE'S RUINING LEMMY MAKE HIM STOP MAKE HIM STOP" part is coming from in that equation.
Same. But I do subscribe to a lot of technical communities where the cm0002 collective reposts, and that can get annoying.
It’s actually really easy to understand. You said so yourself: ban evasion is annoying.
But, like, we are in a “rant” community. The original poster seems annoyed.
You don’t have to understand it at all. This isn’t yptb.
Why come to a rant community and be sarcastic and condescending? The ranting is why they’re here.
Is cm0002 banned somewhere? Are they using new accounts to evade those bans in places they've been banned?
I do feel like if your "rant" is very specifically directed at some other specific person, and also seems factually untrue in a few different respects, then it's worth asking some questions. Just because it's a rant doesn't mean it's exempt from people having a reaction.
Because it's my way of making a point. In some societies, when someone aims criticism and vitriol at another human being, other people are allowed to defend that person or ask questions and see if it's justified.
Like a jerk? Gross! I don’t need that. No one needs that. See how you got downvoted for being condescending? No, you don’t. I love a guy who’s “just asking questions” in a shitty way.
“But they’re just posting!” Obtuse and rude. Neat!
“Vitriol.” Lmao
Edit: I knew eventually this would get downvoted more than upvoted! The assholes always come out of the woodwork on social media, it’s simply a matter of time.
Like every time I see a person not acting like a jerk I'm like ARGHH FUCK THIS GAH GLU BO and I start downvoting the comments
"It's not simply a matter of more eyes eventually reading and disagreeing! It's just a bunch of assholes brigading!!1!"
That's actually pretty cute. Do you really feel this way? My options are agree with you, or be an asshole? Mark me down as an asshole, then.
No, you don't. Cos we're all just assholes, in here.
E: ducking autocorrupt
"Hey this guy's a big piece of shit. I can't even tell you what a piece of shit, I'm so angry, he's total garbage, he's the absolute worst and fuck him, we need to get rid of him."
"What? I've never found this specific person you're going after to be a piece of shit. Why do you say that? (specific questions and sarcasm)"
"Woooooooooowwwwwwwwwwwwww"
You seem lovely lol
(I'm going to take your response to mean he's not actually banned anywhere)
No that's the other fed
Okay. Looking through the comments, it doesn't appear that you actually have anything here other than it pisses you off. But is it a problem? You're phrasing this like cm0002 is evading bans and he isn't. If he's making new accounts and that annoys you then that sucks but... why do the admins need to get involved with this? You said you want to have him permabanned from an instance? Why?
You can check who voted for a post by the way. Cm0002 doesn't vote for himself. I have checked in the past when I first started noticing his username a lot myself. Hell, I thought he was irritating as hell for a while myself too. I guess I'm biased in the sense that I know the dude and would call him a friend but even then, I'm not seeing anything demonstrating that action needs to actually be taken by anyone.
I get being annoyed with people. But saying that this is bad faith and worthy of having the entire username banned from the entire fucking instance seems like a massive overreach. One so far that I would just outright avoid ever posting to that instance ever again because that admin would be tripping balls and power.
Literally the entire purpose of this community.
It’s been fun to see a lot of the major Lemmy posters show up in this thread. It’s been really eye-opening.
Ironically, they're the biggest hindrance to lemmy growing
How so? Wouldn't more posts/comments be a good thing for Lemmy?
They're extremely abusive towards each other. Instead of just blocking users they set up harassment and thought policing communities to screenshot and drama post about each other in a way that makes any normal person delete their account and go back to reddit.
This guy cm0002 for example, what they are doing is totally unhinged, it is really off putting and reeks of desperation. I'm not a tankie, I have differing opinions. Do I need to thought police tankies? No. I get along with everyone because we're just shit posting online. Then I go and hang out with my family and do things like hiking. But these people literally freak out and spend hundreds of waking hours tracking people, screen shotting them, gathering evidence and in cm0002s case emulates a bot manually reposting. It is fucking crazy. Dude, tankies aren't even a real thing most people who aren't terminally online ever heard of.
Not inherently. Activity is certainly important, and some people might just leave if a place seems too slow compared to what they're used to. But the quality of activity is also important. (If it didn't, we'd be firing up repost bots and AI tools to generate junk.) In fact, one think many people have said they like about Lemmy instances is that it seems like replies actually mean something here and don't just get lost in the mix. There's more of a community.
For someone who keeps running around this thread and saying that it's exactly appropriate for this community, you clearly did read the second rule. It's almost like lying about someone flinging false accusations and making shit up might violate the rule saying respect other users. Even then, my issue isn't the rant. My issue is that this is someone who I respect and have seen on Lemmy a lot, who I've talked to a lot, who is making shit up, throwing a tantrum and inventing shit about someone else. I don't care about the actions of this post. I care of the actions of this post when @[email protected] is better than this. This is just fucking disappointing.
Rule 2. I guess you missed that part in your quest to take a screenshot. Making shit up about a user, admitting you're making shit up about a user and doubling down with false accusations really seems like it'd violate that.
I really can't think of a good reason to have this many active and posting accounts other than trying to get around something. I was extremely annoyed when I wrote this post, and honestly still am, hence why I posted this here. A filter per end user would be a better solution, like what PieFed has.
I could have worded everything better. This should be a highlight of what could be done by one user.
It’s honestly driving me crazy that people are complaining about the wording.
You posted it here consciously, it’s a “rant” community.
This is the right place for something like this! The way you worded it wasn’t really problematic. It may have been if it was in a different community, but people are expecting lot from a rant.
They accused another user of ban evasion, realized they were pissed, said they had zero evidence to support the accusation and repeatedly doubled down. The problem is not the wording. It's the actively hostile intent towards another user and using the rant community to attack someone. It's disgusting and I expect better of Jawa after everything else they've done on Lemmy. This some extremely shitty behavior.
Stop trying to move the goal posts to make what is blatantly an attack post seem okay.
Speaking of being actively hostile towards another user and lying for that purpose, have you seen the list of supposed quotes from the Lemmy devs that cm0002 keeps posting repeatedly (a few times just on this thread)? From the couple I checked, those do not at all appear to be direct quotes, even though he makes it appear as though they are. That seems to me to be against many instances' rules?
Whataboutism. One accusation with some merit (whether or not it even has any, I have no idea because I haven't looked into it) does not mean that another one suddenly gets any. I am also not having a discussion about that. I am having a discussion about the fact that false accusations were slung with zero evidence. Make your own post if you feel that strongly about it and actually have evidence.
Edit: Yeah, I looked at the quotes. They're clearly facetious and provide the actual link to the direct quote. Your complaint is worthless. If you have nothing valuable to add then it's perfectly legitimate to say nothing. Highly recommend it sometime.
Uncalled for harsh reply.
Uncomfortable taking your own medicine, isn't it? Goodbye.
I can't think of a lot of things too. Doesn't mean those reasons don't exist. He's also actively given reasons in this thread. I'd suggest logging out and checking it or something else. Moreover, unless you have something to point to then the accusation is kind of reductive and harmful. You're claiming he's evading bans but have provided exactly zero evidence of this. 5 hours later, you've still not updated the post to remove the ban evasion claim or provide any evidence of it. I'ma be real... I find your behavior to be WAY more problematic than his. What's he doing? Making multiple accounts and annoying you. What are you doing? Making a large thread firing accusations at someone with exactly zero evidence.
That doesn't justify firing false accusations at someone. Questioning if someone does it is fine. You didn't do that though. You outright said this was ban evasion tactics and that makes me feel really gross. I get your frustrations and I'm not minizing them but you've framed your frustrations and suspicions as fact, providing nothing to back yourself up other than the thing that annoys you and keep firing that same accusation by being aware of the wording error and not fixing it.
This whole thread is... kind of gross. I'm not going to lie. I'm not a big fan of not liking a thing and then presenting my hunch as outright fact. I go out of my way to look for things that might point towards it and will at the very least add that. Add supporting evidence for the argument. This is just a personal complaint that's been framed as an attack on another user and I'm not exactly a fan.
Hear hear.
To me it seems mostly as a method to obscure post history. It's the other side of the coin of users who delete everything 24-48 hours afterwards. Incredibly annoying and only leads me to feel suspicious.
After all, you'll note how quick the user is to dive into post histories and theorycraft on who is whose alt accounts. The notion that there's something to be found in there is some kind of projection for sure.
Your feelings are irrelevant unless you have evidence. Your hunch is irrelevant unless you have proof. I am not a 14 year old interested in gossip.
It was going on in the main/top thread of this topic when I opened it. Linking this thread would seem unnecessary? First reply to hamid by cm002 in this post is calling them an alt of another user?
*edit Did you believe I was referring to you? I was referring to the cm002 user, not you.
Like I said. Your feelings are irrelevant unless you have proof. Saying something feels a certain way is useless and doesn't add anything to the conversation. It's just nonsense accusations based off of your feelings.
I have logged out and read all of the replies. I do not believe them to believe them to be truthful or in good faith based on timing alone. cm0002 made an account on an instance that was less than a day old. They even made a post about it. How in the world is that possible without automation? And to your other replies, yes, I am deliberately rocking the boat because I believe that people need to be aware that this kind of thing is possible. Also, one of the predominant complaints on Lemmy is multiple posts to many communities. I don't think that there is a bigger offender. Many people see things multiple times and can't stop it because of the account spam.
I've calmed down a lot (re; your comment about me not being around - I needed to actually step back and get some perspective). While this was posted as a rant, I do stand by the initial points (though framing it as ban evasion was admittedly me just fuming). I should have punched a wall, or something instead - I don't know. I'm not entirely intelligent nor emotionally stable by any means. I think something about hitting the block button one too many times made me snap.
I really should just leave all kinds of social interactions because my brain can break like this, I guess. You've been fantastic to me and gave me a real shot at making good posts. My insane bipolar brain is telling me to run right now.
It's not automation, it's just autism. You can see when new instances come online and he likes helping out small ones so he keeps an eye out.
I get rocking the boat. That's fine. I'm not saying don't. I'm just perturbed by accusations made with zero evidence as if it's just truth. I don't recommend punching a wall (or running, shit happens), and ranting is what the community is there for, but question things more so than accuse.
And while he is a friend, I've questioned before why he's using so many alts and told him to chill the hell out. I also think he should on that front because I like him on lemmy otherwise. So I'm not just sitting on the sidelines completely defending him. Just... yea.
You've talked me down on several occasions, and this should be added to them, I think. @[email protected] I'd like you to know that this wasn't personal - I just got extremely frustrated, and will delete my untoward comments if you deem that I should.
Man, reading through your posts I think you had a totally relatable and normal reaction to something frustrating and tried to go to an appropriate place to talk about it. Then you've spent all this time reading and interacting while moving forward with your opinion.
I appreciated the discussion on the thread and it gave me a lot of understanding on how Lemmy works.
Everyone gets angry and pops off, not everyone circles back around and tries to talk through it.
Honestly, I had no idea that they were only open for a day, I just peruse Lemmyverse.net and pick instances that seem interesting or have funny/cool sounding names 😂
I get it, but from the end user standpoint (and the admins of that insance), it is really hard to not stand back and ask "wtf?:
It very clearly is ban evasion. At the same time the Lemmyverse does fundamentally not have the ability to stop this.
Prove it. "Very Clearly" is worth nothing. A hunch is worth nothing. If you don't have something to actively point towards for that accusation, then it's just a false accusation. Considering that he hasn't been posting to places he's been banned from, and the fact that it's the same username so it is flat out idiotic to use the exact same username repeatedly if he's trying to do that, your accusation doesn't seem to have anything to stand on.
Which, as we've established, is not actually problematic. Just annoying. Otherwise you'd all be linking to examples of him doing the things you're claiming.
I am pretty sure this user in question is the same that has made previous demands the Lemmy devs 'sell' the code to an independent third party like some kind of IMF loan situation. There's a level of dedication against the platform itself that exists.
I had always assumed they'd just gone over to piefed and put their crusade to rest.
So you still don't have any evidence and everything that you're saying is completely and utterly worthless?
Thank you for your input.
Go away.
There was a petition posted awhile back about wanting the Lemmy devs to give away control over the code because of their politics. I will see if I can find it but I think it was over a year ago at this point. I am almost positive it was cm002, but I'll see if I can find that thread. No harm in seeing if my recollection is accurate.
Then go ahead and do that. But as it currently stands, you are just firing accusations with nothing other than "I think" and "I feel". You might as well be a republican.
Here's one comment that I spent my morning digging up instead of enjoying my coffee. Scrolling MWoG isn't exactly enjoyable.
https://lemmy.world/post/29173321/16870997
I couldn't find the specific thread I was thinking of that was actively calling for removal. But that's a comment referencing that demand as a discussed option.
Digging through post histories and searching lemmy is not something I am ever inclined to do, so I was appealing to a shared experience/memory since the whole push for donations brought up a lot of those discussons everywhere they were.
Also Meanwhileongrad is on my local feed so I see all the threads and discussions before curation, so I rarely if ever comment propotionally.
I don't like your block evasion either
I use one account. Cry harder.
I think the broader solution is approval-based instance federation. I know that's a little anti-fed, but this type of attack has no other solution I can think of, and banning a username just means the attacker rotates those, (too).
There's steps in between. Rate limiting unverified server federations, etc. No need to inhibit discovery for casual users
I have a similar setup here. Isn't ban evasion more effective when you don't reuse a username? Also I see this person's posts on the top most days, what exactly are they getting banned for?
I'm using multiple instance handles like they're subreddit clusters, which is why I didn't bother changing my name. Seems like something that people who check a lot of different comms of different sizes do
username@whatever completely evades all blocks and bans on Lemmy. This isn't arguable. Anyone can spin up an instance, use the same username and if they are so inclined use a botnet to upvote everything into the millions.
This comment shows that you don't know how things work here.
Man it’s crazy how many people have no ability to self-reflect here
You can’t see why blocking a person could be useful? Yikes.
This is an excellent way to find people who don’t contribute though! A honeypot for jerks.
And it would be so fucking annoying if you just created more accounts so I had to run into your ass again
Keep the downvotes coming! I see you, I wish you’d comment so it’s easier to block the useless people. Cowards gonna be cowards though
Which is why it's so easy to ban people for being bad at attempting to evade/circumvent a ban. Obviously it's harder to catch someone who's smarter about it. You just try your best though.
The bare minimum is doing something about the lazy evasion attempts. though.
Yup, also have 30 blocks for this username
The cm bot also blindly reposts content. There have been a number of times it has posted something or has already shared in the same community, or what they posted was cross posted to an ml community and they shared it back to the original community.
Whether it really is a bot or not, it acts like an unmarked bot account.
I always sort by new, so if I see a post from a cm_bot I know if I scroll a little bit I will see the original. And since I have almost all ml communities blocked I see it on other instances already.
cm0002 is a cryptofash who likes to hang out with other like minded individuals and complain about communists like it's his full time job
using lemmy.ml means I almost never have to interact with him, I don't even have to bother to block him
ewwwwww he responded to me
Meanwhile lemmy.ml once banned me from the instance for posting an LGBTQ meme that criticized China's suppression of LGBTQ characters in film.
on what account? I don't see it in the modlog
[email protected], a now deleted account. That was years ago when I first started posting.
I'll take your word for it, but I don't see what that has to do with cm0002 being a cryptofash anticommunist.
the comm he is extremely active in and constantly promotes is loaded with posters eager to be free of 'degenerates', calling myself and others degenerate roaches.
so far there's been zero action taken, beyond banning one dude for a slap on the wrist period of 7 days, and not removing any of the posts in question.
Because of this
Just saying that pretending lemmy.ml is some bastion of hope or something is a bit of a loony stance to take when they outright defend bigotry and queerphobia, furthering it and perpetuating it in their meme communities. Not like it really matters at any rate. Jawa deleted her account for whatever reasons and the mods here have banned cm0002 for a reason not listed anywhere in the rules and seems fucking massively opinionated as a reason. So I'm blocking this whole community anyway and actively avoiding the mod here from now on. Reply, don't reply, I will never see it
For anyone else reading this, pretty sure cm was breaking both rules 2 and 3 by both being an ass AND going off topic to point out their personal crusade.
OP of the post probably deleted account because all the harassment this generated.
But yeah easier to just easier to block the comm? 🤷
also the above response to me is whataboutism; it's entirely possible for lemmy.ml to have issues AND for cm0002 to be a cryptofash anticommunist at the same time.
a common theme I'm noticing is that the power user clique doesn't seem to like pushback
Lol, tankies are authoritarians
As documented in the Megathread here
Some highlights:
As far as I can tell, they are providing a valuable, wanted, service. It's unfortunate that it's impacting you negatively somehow, but I think people would prefer that they keep it up.
Is what they are doing bothering you, or did you just misunderstand the point of their behaviour, and assumed something malicious was going on?
The "service" has negative value. All it accomplishes is spam, doubling or quadrupling posts, and making every single user of a large instance out to be a tankie. There is also no shot it isn't just a script or bot being run unless they themselves spend an insane amount of time on ml making the while "boycott" thing horseshit to begin with.
And at this point, random instances are being starved of resources by the account spam (the federation takes disk space and bandwidth).
I have not done this once, please provide receipts on this. I have very specifically been against the admins of .ml and select provable Tankie users of .ml
Well it isn't, for one, the activity levels on .ml just isn't that busy. For 2, I don't personally watch .ml, I just have a hook into the RSS feed and just get a notification on my phone. Takes me <15 seconds to crosspost a post. Couldn't bot it even if I wanted to, I have to be extremely selective because there's always a propaganda post of some kind.
It's very well documented and evidenced why
If people didn’t want it they wouldn’t upvote it. It’s that simple. You don’t get to speak for others.
Hijacking this comment. If you find their service valuable, you should consider using this social media site, it is home to much more content and behavior similar to what cm0002 post and do here on Lemmy!
Banning a username doesn't solve the problem tho - you can create new accounts anyway. And banning accounts with similar names as well creates all kinds of problems.
Maybe some kind of probation could help? For example, a user could be invisible for everyone but their home instance for some time. If they are then reported and banned, they never appear on another instance to begin with. Could do this for both comments and content.
Lmao that would make even less ppl join this site and make it even less useful, if you think lemmy will ever be as useful as reddit, it cant have ppl on instances post invisible to other instances when they join that will just make them head to the larger instances or be even more confused on where to sign up
You do realize that (some) subs on Reddit block new users as well?
Probation period doesn't sound like a bad idea. But in the end it will just force them to make their bots lay low for the time and then start their main program.
Ive blocked them a ton of times myself. Summit (android client) lets me filter for username string.
yeah I have a history with this guy who I thought was a bot but he responded back. apparently he just acts like a bot. Like his purpose in life is to post and he posts with wierd agendas rather than just because he is sharing things he likes. Sometimes people ask how many people you block and I always have to say how many of the blocks are like the same persons alts. as someone said he would just move to cm003 so for now im glad he is staying in a pattern so that I can just block right away.
@[email protected] @[email protected]
While I do remember seeing that user handle several times across the "New Comments" feed, I went through all my previous notifications and I couldn't find any interaction from/to they. So, I particularly had no problems with this person, just like I also never had problems with Hexbear users, despite seeing a whole Lemmy complaining about them.
Can someone explain what is wrong here?
Someone called cm0002 goes around Lemmy and frequently calls people stupid tankies and then he gets banned and whines about it on .world
Idk if he does that any more, they said they were done with world because world kept jordanlund
That's based but somehow I think for all the wrong reasons.
Tankie runs .ml, supports dictators like Xi Jinping, Vladimir Putin, Kim Jong Un, etc. and says things like invading Ukraine and uyghur genocide is good actually and/or are western lies.
Dude doesn't like it, makes lots of alts to evade bans to repeatedly post a link to a list of fully insane things the .ml mods have said or done.
Basically .ml is a tankie hellscape and cm0002 has a whole lot of spare time.
Why are you guys so insistent on lying about something that can be instantly disproven? He's not evading bans.
He just enjoys making accounts and the tankie is mad at his hobby? 😂
Evading BLOCKS, then? Does that make you happy?
.ml bans at the drop of a hat for even the slightest dissent, I'm sure he was banned too.
Still doubt that but at least it's not outright provably to be a lie.
He also doesn't post to .ml. You people are exhausting.
Tbh I kinda like it, I have .ml blocked, so if someone is going in there and filtering out the good content to post elsewhere, I’m not opposed.
E: it is annoying that there’s like 100 accounts of them, but meh, it’s not a huge deal to me
it reflects extremely poorly on lemmy/threadiverse in general that this type of behaviour is tolerated at all let alone encouraged
The community isn't configured to screen it out, pretty much by design.
There's not a great technical solution for screening out this kind of malicious conduct
fair point but it's not mainly a software problem. there's no reason that e.g. an article on vpn use in response to the UK online safety act shouldn't be posted/reposted to [email protected], [email protected], [email protected] etc
what is disappointing about this cm0002 stuff is what i've seen of the general community response to the high effort attempt to flood the timeline with low effort posts. the supportive comments and upvotes suggest that people like it, and that is baffling to me
There's a naked skepticism towards any kind of moderation. And after a string of sites full of ugly administrators and sadistic moderators, who can blame them?
I like it. Seeing people rage over it when they could practice some self-control & just ignore like humanity has done for millennia is comical.
I'd much rather have this free-for-all than toxic reddit moderation.
I wasn't aware Piefed had this feature. Good to know.
The way I see it, it can be made part of other features. Have names be auto-reserved locally between instances for future user migrations if they desire. Having the same username for different instances for different people is deceptive as fuck and will be abused as well if it hasn't been yet.
That a user acting in bad faith retains the same name throughout different instances is merely coincidental - I doubt they won't mind switching it up, specially if they are automating account creation and astrosurfing.
Don't know what you're talking about, it's poorly argued & looks like foolish rage, so
In a rant community?! No way!
Rants can be argued well to inspire agreement or fail to persuade. This one could be argued better & not look as foolish.
I hate that user, tbh i don't know if there are any users I like on Lemmy anymore.
It took less than a year for me to get sick of this space filled with trolls and reddit mods.
Sure seems like you both suck a lot.
Anyway, Slava Ukraini, Xi Jinping is a genocidal dictator, totalitarianism is bad, have a good day.
It's fed behavior, and not federated.
Another valuable contribution
Ah, still not being condescending, i see. It's beneath you, obvs.
It feels like mods/admins need to sort this or are actively complicit.
Why would they do that... Most of the instances like this activity as long as it matches their world view
As someone else just said, r****t is still there.
Yeah but here is small so they can get attention, like them ignoring everything the op brought up to shove their hate of the lemmy devs into every interaction
Mini-trumps
Idk, trump wouldn't put in effort 😂
In what, exactly..?
SPAM proliferation
Go touch some grass. I honestly appreciate what cm0002 is doing.
Appreciate what thought? An odd crusade against the devs of lemmy?
Their toxic authoritarian extremism yes
Odd? Do you actually know what scumbags like @[email protected] are doing? And cm0002 does good work in exposing them, which is the only thing we can do for now.
Please enlighten me
Please enlighten me
Reposing the good content from extremist tankie communities so you don’t have to be exposed to their toxicity.
Sorry, I deleted my comment bcs I read the whole explanation what this post is about in other comments (had it sorted differently & I didn't notice it immediately).
Thx!