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lemmy.world

Going nude in your backyard in November in Oregon sounds like a standard thing. We got naked bike rides so, yeah, this checks.

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Can you imagine being a mosquito and encountering a 900,000 you tall naked monster that you used to feed on but now emits a cloud of blinding death from its butt?

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Seattle also allows nudity in public! We also do a big naked bike ride every summer solstice!

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i would think it'd be those weeks in july/august where everyone regrets their lack of air conditioning.

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yeah i've come to understand there is "law as on paper" and "law in practice". In theory, many things are illegal in the country i live, in practice nobody gives a shit.

Classical example: alcohol and minors.

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Can you watch ultra-violent movies with profanity and scantily clad men and women?

  • all green.

People are weird.

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sh.itjust.works

Movie ratings are kinda bullshit anyway.

Airport, one of the movies Airplane! spoofs, features an almost explicit scene of a suicide bombing aboard an airliner in flight. A pregnant woman is injured in the explosion, and a plane load of people spend the entire third act in immediate mortal danger. This movie is rated G.

Ice Age, the Disney (somehow not Pixar) movie whose plot boils down to "Three Men And A Baby, Except Animals" is rated PG for "Mild Peril."

Raiders of the Lost Ark features explicit scenes of people being shot including blood flowing from a bullet hole, and the climax of the film features a shot of three characters' faces melting. This movie is also PG.

Caddyshack is a comedy movie about wacky characters around a golf course. A couple women get topless, so this movie is rated R.

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sh.itjust.works

My point is, the comedy movie that features nudity and consentual sex acts is considered less acceptable for young people than the movie with graphic violence, murder and body horror.

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lemmy.world

you've gotta keep your comparisons in the same time period when you're talking about movie ratings/public morals.

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This argument really only holds water if the purpose of film and television ratings were to make commentaries on social moral trends.

Unfortunately they have an explicit and expressed purpose that is not that. They are a tool which is intended to inform and guide consumers on the content of a product ahead of purchase so they can make an informed decision. They should be locked to a standard which does not change, or all previous ratings should be reevaluated when the standard is changed. The media does not go away. And all ratings should be directly comparable, regardless of: when they were rated, who the "intended" audiences are, or what genres they belong to.

As a slightly hyperbolic example (pardon the minor straw man), imagine you are a Christo-Facist who, among other things, believes that nudity is a sin and you never want your children exposed to the evils of a bare breast. So you set your TV to only show G or PG movies. Then you find your child watching the 1984 rom-com Splash and boom, tiddies in a fish tank. It is PG because the PG standard allows for brief nudity (https://www.filmratings.com/).

They don't apply the standards they have. They routinely make decisions based on backlash from Christo-Facist "Parent's" groups which means that film ratings increasingly do not reflect the overall moralistic stance of the greater society.

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Zedstrianreply
lemmy.dbzer0.com

Ice Age isn't a Disney movie; it was animated by Blue Sky Studios and distributed by 20th Century Fox.

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Adalastreply
lemmy.world

The MPAA has been a rather corrupt organization for a very long time. They don't even bother following their own standards. They also exercise leverage over film content. Many movies live or die by their rating, so "parent's" groups often lobby them or find their way onto the various boards to exert their will and censor content.

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The one that comes to mind for me there is Army of Darkness. Army of Darkness came out in 1992 and is rated R. Why? Its content is similar to a lot of PG-13 movies, including Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade, which came out 3 years earlier. Army of Darkness is appropriate for the same audience as Indiana Jones. It's rated R because it's a sequel to Evil Dead.

Saving Private Ryan features some pretty realistic scenes of combat wounds. Not 10 minutes in, we get a shot of a man's guts hanging out of his torso while he's calling for his mama. That movie came out in 1998 and is rated R. Showgirls came out in 1995, and is rated NC-17 because it's a skinemax movie. This isn't an original thought by any means, but...are those backwards? Why are we more comfortable showing children war than sex?

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I mean you're comparing movies that are 22 years apart and for entirely different demographics. It's to be expected that the criteria changes based on how cultural norms change.

What stands out to me is that they got more strict as time went on and depending on who the target demographic is.

It's funny that movies intended for kids had much higher standards than movies intended for adults.

I think MPAA/RIAA censorship it peaked in the early 2000's and since then those agencies have become increasingly irrelevant.

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Yes if there was a game that depicted that you can guarantee there would be moral panic from the self-declared religious pearl clutches.

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I know of at least two states marked as a no where its perfectly legal as long as there is a reasonable expectation that its private (appropriate fencing or shrubbery for example).

Not personal experience, but because a lawyer friend was explaining reasonable expectations of privacy for a completely unrelated context (filming and photography in public).

Sorry, nothing fun.

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kazernielreply
lemmy.world

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jordanlundreply
lemmy.world

“In Oregon, it is not illegal to be naked in public. We do have a public indecency law and a private indecency law, but both of those have a required element," Miller said. "It has to be for the purpose of arousal for it to be illegal. That was not the case in this issue."

So, dude walking around with his junk hanging out? Not illegal. Dude jacking it in public? Illegal.

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plythreply
feddit.org

for the purpose of arousal

Dude jacking it in public? Illegal.

Why? As long as he is jacking it for himself it should be allowed if the purpose is the deciding element.

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lemmy.ml

shit take. Having unconsenting people participate in your sex act (watching someone masturbate) is assault.

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entwinereply
programming.dev

But how do you evaluate if people are unconsenting about an act before the act takes place? That'd be premature evaluation.

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In Oregon or all over the US?

Would a brown paper bag in front of the private parts make it legal, like alcohol?

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Would be a fun defense to try:

"Your honor, you've seen the video, nobody is aroused by that..."

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jonesey71reply
lemmus.org

Is that a typo, did you mean to say "so long as you ARE being weird about it."? Weird, as in: naked bike ride.

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piefed.world

In Kansas you can be butt ass naked on the sidewalk as long as you aren't making it sexual.

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mercanoreply
lemmy.world

Same in Vermont, so long as it’s not “lewd and lascivious behavior.”

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piefed.world

Behave the same way you would with clothes on. Just do things like tending a garden or talking to neighbors.

Think about it this way: Some guys like their nipples played with and can rub their nipples in public without getting any real attention unless they do it towards kids or something. Why is a bare nipple on a woman automatically sexual just because it is exposed? It isn't automatically sexual despite a bunch of prudes assuming it is.

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Yeah, but it wouldn't be handled by the police anywhere close to a woman who is just topless and not doing anything extra.

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Michaelreply
slrpnk.net

I'd argue that the naked human body isn't inherently sexual in nature.

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lemmy.today

It would take oh so much conditioning to think like that. You would have to be taught to think like that from the beginning. Society would need one hell of an overhaul.

I'm afraid to stare in the direction of a clothed woman's boobs, which often causes me to awkwardly U-turn, because I don't want the bullshit I had to experience before (someone notices, and gives you comments like "go grab her by the pussy" or other disgusting shit). Even with those societal barriers gone, you would basically need intense therapy to not feel wrong seeing naked people.

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Michaelreply
slrpnk.net

I’m afraid to stare in the direction of a clothed woman’s boobs

Staring is generally frowned upon regardless of a person being clothed or unclothed, but one is entirely free to look in a certain direction or do what is comfortable without fear - which includes specifically looking at another person briefly. There are plenty of valid reasons to examine another person and lots of them are entirely innocent.

someone notices, and gives you comments like “go grab her by the pussy” or other disgusting shit

I can't say I've ever had that experience, but you don't have to be uncomfortable if somebody caught you in moment like that.

you would basically need intense therapy to not feel wrong seeing naked people.

People have very little reasons to be nude e.g. in modern American society, but it doesn't have to be weird or sexual. The laws obviously need to catch up first and foremost, but I feel like there's nothing wrong with being naked - even if a person has more ahem overt sexual characteristics that others take note of.

The thing about nudity is that people generally gradually get used to it. The differences become less impactful after a certain point. Sure it takes time, and people who have issues with their appearance and body may have greater barriers, but I don't feel like intense therapy is needed for most.

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lemmy.today

I will just stare blankly with my thoughts on something else, and get accused of gazing. That's the thing, I have to go out of my way not to stare at a person, which often means walking awkwardly, sometimes hitting something I was not looking at 🤷‍♂️

I will pretty much only gaze at a woman if pressured, and I can't even keep that up. The programming is strong that this is very wrong.

TL;DR: I hate male company as a result, in an ironic twist.

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Well if I was with you in public, I'd definitely be supporting you to feel more comfortable in your skin. Regardless of the broader topic of nudity and all that, I hope you can find someone who can help you out in that way or generally hope you can make a breakthrough somehow in this area.

I admit I've dealt with this myself and I had the same intense fear growing up due to bullying, but we have to learn to give ourselves a break. I feel like a lot of people forget that we are all mammals - physical beings that are occupying a space. Sometimes we do have sexual desires or interests, but as long as we aren't intending on making things sexual or awkward - usually it's all a-okay. If we offend someone else with our gaze or otherwise make them uncomfortable, sometimes the best thing is to just apologize and play it off.

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So, the only reason you can come up with against public nudity is that you specifically are unable to control themselves 🤔

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lemmy.world

I think the dude you're responding to hasn't actually been in these situations but has fantasized about it so long that it's bleeding into his worldview.

It gives incel tbh because those guys are always coming up with hypotheticals about women to get mad at and feel victimized by.

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Michaelreply
slrpnk.net

Maybe they are just speaking to their ADHD and living in an oversexualized, yet prude society? I just didn't read the incel angle.

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I'm not saying the person you responded to is an incel, they could just be socially anxious about a specific thing.

What I am saying is that being worried about these hyper specific scenarios where they're victimized for being perceived as an aggressor to women is an extremely typical incel chain of thought.

It's a subtle red flag imo

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Horseyreply
lemmy.world

I strongly believe that if you’re looking into my window and see consensual sex acts, it’s your fault not mine.

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piefed.social

What about this same scenario, but most of the non-curtained windows have plants partially obstructing them, and those that don’t would require trespassing to look into?

Who am I kidding, I don’t care. I’m gunna do it anyway.

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midwest.social

Goddamn right.

Although, maybe I don't want the sliding glass doors that all the neighbors can see in included in that. Maybe I should do something about that.

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lemmy.today

Well, if someone would have to put effort to see you naked, it's their fault for being stupid. And if they have suspiciously many "accidents", they should be viable for a SH lawsuit.

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Scubusreply
sh.itjust.works

I dunno, if they have a suspicious number of accidents in their house, maybe you should stop staring through their window

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lemmy.world

i dunno. if they lack any effective window coverings i'd say it's less of an accident, which is i guess what you'd be trying to prove.

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Yeah like I can't help that my windows point to their windows.

It cuts both ways because intent matters.

Don't stare into people's houses like a freak but also don't jerk your shit spread eagle in the front bay window.

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aussie.zone

They should all be green. Whether it’s a good idea is a different question.

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Echo Dotreply
feddit.uk

I do like the fact that it's authorised in Hawaii but prohibited in Alaska.

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lemmy.zip

Alaska: no, cuz 90% of the year you'll fucking freeze to death, idiot

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Alpha71reply
lemmy.world

...and the other 10% you'll get eaten alive by mosquitoes.

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Yeah, there's no way I'd bare flesh, not even shorts, during an Alaskan summer. Those mosquitoes are fricken huge.

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lemmy.world

I'm in Arkansas and I have a 6-foot-fenced yard, highest my neighborhood will allow. I straight up called the police department and asked them - if someone complains I am nude, in a non-sexual way, what would happen? They laughed and said they wouldn't even bother issuing a warning. So YMMV :)

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mrgoosmoosreply
lemmy.ca

do you back onto another row of two story homes?

I guess after thinking about it, I'm okay with nudity even in that situation, because if it's just nudity alone then that's whatever, and if it's inappropriate then it would be inappropriate regardless of whether nudity is legal or not

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BanMereply
lemmy.world

I was here first but people built around me. One neighbor's upstairs can see in. I told them when they were building - you're going to occasionally see dong if you look over here. They laughed, I didn't.

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sounds like I'd rather have you as my neighbour than the loud french people next door who "want more privacy" but then scalped their side of the cedars so they're basically see through, and shout about their hemorrhoids on phone calls outside lol

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lemmy.ca

Why does the live free or die state always have less liberal laws than its Vermont neighbour?

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NH has been a tossup state pretty much since the early 1800s. It’s a state where many preconceptions are wrong.

-grew up there

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lemmy.ca

Do have a source for this information?

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Rhaedasreply
fedia.io

The best version of peer-reviewed.

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lemmy.world

But Texas is advertised as "you can do all you want" or "it is the land of freedom bro"...

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I have family there, and that my be the law, but there is more than a little open land in TX. My grandparents lived in a rural part of texas. Visiting there as a kid, before the internet was anything, it was a wild place. "Wild" being an appropriate word. But anyway. Very unlikely your neighbors would say anything if they caught you naked in thd back yard.

Im pissed im red here in virginia. I wanna walk around naked too

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lemmy.world

I be breaking laws then.the sun on my dick in summer time in Oklahoma feels wonderful

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Are you implying i go on my proch swing my dick around? Helicopter style??? Cause I do that too. Backyard, porch, parks, mall parking lots. Wherever the sun is then my dick has a right to be seen by those beautiful rays

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MBechreply
feddit.dk

As far as I'm aware, here in Denmark you can be nude on your property as much as you want to, as long as your nudity isn't an attempt to make unwilling people part of some sexual thing. Like you can be naked in your front yard, but you can't keep eye contact with people passing by while furiously masturbating. Sunbathing with your tits out though? People can look away.

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lemmy.world

Sunbathing with your tits out though? People can look away.

Eventually. ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

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lemmy.today

That sounds kind of reasonable.

Except the folk who have been conditioned that it is basically rape to stare at unconsenting naked peope, would starve to death.

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MBechreply
feddit.dk

I suppose if you're laying naked in your front yard, you consent to people taking a peek, but everything with a bit of common sense. You're not gonna be popular around the neighborhood if you're staring and drooling.

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Erm, if I'm sitting on the fence maybe, if I'm laying down, I obviously don't want to be seen, but don't give a shit if I am.

Having said that, not sure I have ever been naked in my backyard.

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I want to hear a strong eastern Massachusetts accent say,

“It is the duty as a citizen of these Commonwealth and State of Massachusetts to hereby decree the fundamental illegality of being in the nude per the confines of an individuals backyard. Whether visible or not to neighbors and or the greater public, it is the sworn duty to uphold any type of nudity outside the home or establishment that is permitted to allow a visible display of said nudeness to persons of an age that is either 18 or 21. Furthermore any attempts to show any nakedly graphic pictures of the human anatomical form sans articles of clothing to be a direct affront to the values deemed appropriate by the officials Oveh theh in Baustin.

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I think "being nude" is similar to "being honest". You reveal what's inside you without any kind of concealing mask.

Really, the US not wanting people to be nude at any cost makes me think that the US does not want the people to think honest thoughts either.

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Lock me up.

I used to go outside at like 2 or 3am for a sprint around my backyard nude a few times when I was like a teenager.

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mander.xyz

Hey guys, do you have the same for Europe? But shift the scale one notch up:

Green: yes

Red: only if not visible from the street

Orange: in your backyard or in nudist spots

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lemmy.world

If you have a high enough stainless steel privacy fence all around

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lightnsfwreply
reddthat.com

Oh right everyone lives in a HOA now and privacy fences aren't allowed.

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texas, california and florida agree on something

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I don't understand why people like being naked in the first place. It's always confused me. The only time I'm naked is if I'm showering or having sex.

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splooshreply
lemmy.world

Swimming nude is far superior. Nude sunbathing feels great.

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I like the feeling that I'm being judged. Being naked is thrilling. I'll never understand people who wear clothes even when they're alone. The only time I wear clothes is when I'm forced to.

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