FBI Warns of Criminals Posing as ICE, Urges Agents to ID Themselves
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Oh my nobody could have seen this coming. (Sarcasm)
People were calling it from day 1. I'm surprised it took this long for the FBI to come out with a statement... although...
Take off the masks, you fucking cowards
I guess they don’t want people harassing them at home.
They also see no irony in that at all sadly.
I'd need to see some exceptionally compelling evidence to be convinced they weren't actually just ICE officers doing this.
And later in the story...
Only the bootliquors still have any trust remaining. Fucking trust. Lol
I worry that they'll claim wearing a mask is "impersonating a federal immigration officer", especially when it's bad enough the protests happen in earnest.
Shhhhh! Don't give those fuckers any ideas!
We've reached a point where lawlessness is being championed by both the law and criminals. Add to that we have elected a felon/pedophile president. What a time to be alive - sigh.
What gets me is that the bothsiders are still screeching about the situation they helped get everyone into.
Nuance, reality and pragmatism be damned.
agreed its too suspicious they are not ice, they would doing it in red areas to, which they arnt.
They're doing their best.
Win win even if they're the real deal
You can only win a gun fight if you have superior numbers and firepower. Otherwise it's just certain death for the assaulted.
We need to bring back the concept of a citizen militia.
Drones and payloads. Guns are last century.
making guncotton at home is not that hard but then i remembered its US so you can probably go buy gunpowder by the gallon from your local walmart or something
You joke, but yes you can.
2 gun stores are closer than walmart why would i go to the box store
Yeah. Having watched a good amount of Ukraine footage I now flinch whenever I hear buzzing sounds. We are going to have a generation of people afraid of the open air.
Republicans better think about inside only events. No one even needs line of sight.
Both sides will have to.
Well, public opinion won’t favor blowing up people in blow up costumes dancing on the roadside. 🙃
Disagree, initiative and proper cover can really even the odds. Ymmv.
High tech lasers from the future also help a lot.
Doubly so if they're supported by omniscient kill orbs from the orb wars of 3725.
Community engagement needed
A half dozen people in every neighborhood ready to roll on ICE as soon as they show up would force a new conversation pretty fucking quick.
Organized gangs finally had their lightbulb moment?
Well, that assumes “organized gang” and “ICE” are mutually exclusive….
They’re actually just taking their cue from the biggest gang
Don't trash "organized gangs", they're better at what they do than ICE
In Cyberpunk, the NCPD is basically just another gang. More organized than the Valentinos or Tiger Claws, but pretty much the same by the end of the day.
In real life though, ICE seems to be a lot like a gang too. Have they pivoted to drugs and violent extortion yet? You know, if you smuggle guns and slaves, you can make a lot of money?
There's no way ICE hasn't been involved in illegal drug smuggling for decades. It doesn't work without corrupt people in those kinds of positions. DEA and CBP as well.
This civil war is going to get fucking weird.
More like white supremacists realized they could kidnap and kill immigrants with a lower chance of being caught.
And agents who don't do this, or do other illegal acts should be dealt with. Right? Hello?
Ice are criminals
Like we’ve been saying this whole time!
Some of them are probably real ICE.
Plausible deniability.
Reports of a masked ICE Agent murdering an individual filming an ICE raid, then fleeing the scene. "That wasn't an actual ICE agent. Don't worry, it's... 'under investigation' and we'll never release any information about the incident ever again."
Aaaaannnnddd ding ding ding, you won this round!
Ice is sexually assaulting people.
Let them prove they aren’t.
I always thought protesters should wear jeans or tan tactical pants, boots, vest and plate ($35-50 from Amazon), a tacticool utility belt ($20-30 from amazon), helmet ($30 from amazon) a black Balaclava Ski Mask ($6), with sunglasses. On the right chest have a random ID number like "A462". Slap an American flag patch (or a Police gang patch with the blue line).
You could even throw in a functional gas mask for $50
These ICE creeps don't have a proper issued uniform. They bought their shit off amazon as well. I saw one dude who looked like he was wearing airsoft/paintball stuff.
Can you imagine the confusion if everyone dressed in tacticool? Those untrained ICE idiots would be completely lost.
The JR "Bob" Dobbs mantra - "If you act like a dumb shit, they'll treat you like an equal".
Wow, I have not seen a church of the sub genius reference in almost 20 years.
Well, that's probably just part of the Pink Conspiracy. They've been stealing your slack.
They just had a cool doc about them come out not that long ago. Sadly, the podcast/Hour of Slack has come to an end:
https://archive.org/details/hourofslack
there was a analog horror/ARG on youtube that used some of their stuff i think its been a few years now.
Does listening to 40oz count?
cult of bob
Yup.
It would be VERY easy to infiltrate them while they're out in the field. Just surround them with people looking just like them. They'd have no option but to retreat.
And do this on Halloween so they can't arrest you for impersonating an officer either! #lifeHacks
Sorry 🤭
EDIT: Oh, wait... no, wait a minute... does the fact that they don't have an officially issued uniform really mean that technically you could argue in court that you were not impersonating an officer? That. Is. Wildly stupid of them if true.
As long as you had nothing on your "uniform" that said Police or had a badge of any sort, they would be hard pressed to charge you with anything. If they nabbed you, and you weren't black bagged to a blackzone and disappeared, you could always say you arrived to protest wearing a helmet, plate carrier, gas mask because of the documented law enforcement violence towards citizens. The pouches and utility belt could contain things like first aid supplies.
First aid supplies OR tiny plastic unicorns and skittles.
whyNotBoth.jpg
I would, but with my luck that would be the day everyone decides enough is enough and they start beating the dogshit out of every ice agent lol
I love this idea.
Yeah, as everyone knew would happen when the cowards began hiding their identities and acting like a secret police on amfetamins.
"Warns" "urges" Yeah that'll do ot
hah they're not going to ID themselves. these cowards can't even do their "jobs" without covering their faces because they're so scared.
Well, they're scared, but also the admin doesn't want the identities to be revealed and shown that like 90% of ICE was probably recruited straight from known neo-nazi/white nationalist groups like the Proud Boys
So we're allowed to shoot them in self defense now if they don't ID?
Yes, and I am shocked this hasn't already happened.
The fact that this isn't an every day occurrence confuses the shit out of me.
Americans are cowards. They’re more worried about losing their shitty jobs that they hate than they are about losing their country (and with it, their shitty jobs anyway). What’s confusing?
Or if they do.
Oh, oh, I know! How about they release an app, or a website, where we can take a picture of the face of any of these Agents, and it will confirm if they're actually one or not.
On a serious note, it would be very useful to have a better system of confirming who is an actual agent or not. Something like plugging their badge number into a website and they have to confirm a daily code or similar.
This just tells me that the "real" ICE agents, are doing criminal stuff and the FBI are just getting in front of that. What did they think would happen when you give the otherwise unemployable a badge and a gun, and empower them?
I didn't think this before I read your comment but now I do. 😐
Lol, gee I never saw this coming....
There was a difference?
One is a group of despicable masked bandits who instill fear, destroy livelihoods, and operate outside the confines of the legal system
The other group are criminals
Can we go backing to my ancestors banditry where you mug Mormons and rob trains?
Maybe they could go after the real criminals then?
Immigration laws are civil, not criminal. Undocumented immigrants aren’t criminals.
you saying I'm misunderstanding something doesn't make it true.
As it stands there's 2 situation in which imigration could lead to criminal charges- one is re-entering after deportation. This really doesn't happen. The other is entering at a place or time not designated. This also really doesn't happen. (The people crossing the border are being "caught" by Border Patrol officers because they sit down and wait to be caught, and then invoke their right to seek asylum. something which is legal.)
neither of these are happening. Immigration court isn't even able to try a criminal case, because immigration law is not criminal law.
You got a source on that there bullshit?
Facebook doesn't qualify. neither does twitter. Nor does the 2 Pump Chump.
Here's mine. And some more. oh look, some more
You comfortable with how it's being enforced currently?
Up until it personally affects them, yes, they will be. Condescendingly judgemental pricks are always too short-sighted to ever imagine they'd possibly be subject to their own bullshit hatred.
Historically, those who have been anti-immigration (and almost always nativist) have found themselves on the backfoot of contemporary history; choked and fetted by their own irrational hatred. Oftentimes, they've served as phenomenal kindling to their own demise.
Just another bloated body to be sloughed off.
Based on their brief comment history, yes. Another day, another new account to block (not yours lol).
Then stop whining and sign up as a Brownshirt and tell them how it's done.
And there's always room in the top if you are good at brown nosing.
So what I infer from this comment is that you really want to but are somehow not able, because of age, geographical location, or being 3 racoons in a trenchcoat.
No one is illegal on stolen land.
That's an absurd extrapolation. These people are productive members of society, and homelessness is a solution handled by building housing.
The moral justification for upending people's lives or worse based on the circumstances of their birth and what paperwork they've been able to complete?
I don’t know, and yet ice constantly fucks it up
I have seen very little of the footage I’ve seen of ice through the media. What a weird assumption for you to make. I think they fuck it up because they’re constantly fucking it up.
At this rate someone's going to feel legally justified to defend themselves and others with lethal force from potential criminals.
Put me on a jury, and I will let people who crush ICE go free.
If so, you should never post about it online. That's the kind of thing that jury selection software is meant to find
Honestly, the jury selection process is stupid. It depends on people to either live under a rock, or to lie about their character. Our jurors should be informed on the world and have opinions. Fairness achieved through witless conformity is justice by committee.
If we want better trials, getting rid of one-sided testimonials like the grand jury process, would be a much better way. It is weird how prosecutors get to put forward only their viewpoint, while the defense can't. Randomly splitting the jury in half to listen to the defense and prosecution's argument, then having each half hear the other side's story, would be a better approach IMO. That removes the first-mover advantage to story telling. Also, a 20 minute snack and drink break for each session, to remove grouchiness as a factor.
Our entire legal system doesn't make sense, that's not even in the top 5 gaping problems in the justice process
That is the problem. If they kill a criminal it will be considered self defense. If they kill an agent, it will not
Also, if they are ice and they use lethal force, ice will use lethal force too and argue it was self defense
Criminals posing as Ice... Seems like Ice is covering for their own crimes they are committing
This is following the story of some men grabbed apparently by ICE. ICE has claimed to not have been doing operations in that area. It is possible these people were kidnapped by people claiming to be ICE.
The majority of ICE then
"Criminals warn of criminals posing as criminals. Urges criminals to incriminate themselves."
The secret ingredient is crime
Still surprised we haven’t seen more shoot outs. But that just goes to show how peaceful people seeking citizenship really are.
its because ice isnt targeting backwaters red areas, or states. MAGATS wouldve started shooting the moment they tried it, plus the gop would get upset over ice.
So masked ICE are likely criminals? Noted
So masked ICE are
likelycriminals? NotedWow, what a great idea.
Well, that's all very cool.
How about ICE stop wearing those goddamned masks so they can be identified?
ICE agent takes his mask of
Me: Who the fuck is this guy?
I say we make it a general rule, antifa also has to de-mask and both sides get identified.
What the fuck? Are anti-fascists going around and disappearing people?
Sigh.
It's the mating call of the Dweebish Magat Imbecile, an invasive and non protected species.
you being bothered by anti-fascists tells me everything about you
Holy shit. You're the first right-winger I've seen on lemmy. Pathetic!
i've actually have seen a few today, i think they are raiding servers to spout their shit
Is the antifa in the room with you right now?
The FBI only put a bulletin warning that masked individuals might be pretending to be government agents, just now? After nine months of terrorism? How is this not seen as authoritarian move? This is like with any full blown authoritarian states where the dear leader says something vague tantamount to directing a purge. And when enough people were purged, the dear leader would then say that his goons had gone too far from his original intent and order them to stop. This is not the first time America did something similar; the red scare and the McCarthy's communist witch hunts went on long enough to tarnish people's reputation, before Harry Truman made a speech calling out what is happening as unfair to people whose reputations were ruined. The powers-that-be know what the heck their doing and the last minute "call to sanity" is to white wash their deliberate intentions.
Peak FBI incompetence, there were already high ranking political murders by people taking advantage of ICE masks.
But then Nana will know they raised a little failure of a fasciat and their immigrant wives won't make them pancakes.
All ICE agents are criminals. They know this, which is why they always refuse to identify themselves.
When this is over I will personally punch whichever democrats decides to pardon them all or refuse to prosecute them or even fire them to "heal the nation".
Every single ICE agent belongs behind bars
If this were true, every judge, police officer and prosecutor would be dead. So no, they do not need to hide their faces. We all know why they are really hiding their faces.
Release the files.
This is starting to sound like a 2nd amendment issue.
In my state we have the right to defend our property and that includes vehicles. So, let them try to fuck with me or my wife and see what happens. We’re homos and armed to the teeth.
You're my favourite kind of homogaysexual person.
How about, like every other law enforcement agency, you can demand name and badge number, and ICE must reply. If they dont, they are not law enforcement, just masked criminals.
I mean.... bare minimum at fucking least.
How about, no face masks, official uniforms with name and rank listed. They need to be spelled out who they are if they’re kidnapping people and freaking out citizens. They won’t because they know they are in danger of being exposed and isolated by friends/family or denied future employment for doing this BS (just my guess)
That's the first danger I thought of with masked plainclothes (secret) police who don't identify themselves. Human traffickers can put on the same getup and kidnap someone in broad daylight and people would assume they are law enforcement.
same, same, but different, but still the same
BANG
This surprises exactly no one.
Thanks tips