Nearly 90% of Windows Games now run on Linux, latest data shows
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Unfortunately those pesky live service games that have the most player counts are disproportionately represented in that 10%.
They tend to require installing a rootkit on your own computer. I wouldn't buy them even if they did support Linux.
you are a minority in this case
Single player games are where I'm at so this really doesn't affect me
Wonder if they can build on top of eBPF? I think Windows is trying to implement it too
I have a console for those, just never liked them on pc, feels wrong to install them when I have other options for mouse and keyboard play that I would avoid with a controller
The correlation between people playing those games and not giving a fuck about digital privacy is probably huge.
Which I'm sure is much higher than windows games working on windows. Proton is awesome for old games.
Switching to linux had me cold turkey league of legends im a healthier happier person now.
the real cold turkey was Riot killing linux support last year. Seems like there wasn't enough linux players at the time for them to walk back that decision.
Funniest thing.: the Mac client also doesn't support Kernel anti cheat, but it still works. Fuck riot, I'm glad I ditched it.
Same for me but I switched to dota; im not healthier
Dota 2 took 2k+ hours from my life. Loved every minute lol. Welcome aboard, it's not healthier but I'd argue it's better :D
10.000 in lol, 1.000 in dota, currently. I feel you. On the other hand, haven't watched tv in 12 years
Honestly not missing much lol. There's like 1000 hours of good TV content in total out there IMHO.
The stereotype is of the haughty Linux user, but fuck me all I ever see in these discussions is Windows users being belittling assholes.
We tend to come off as haughty when Windows users show up demanding help and being insulting while having put in zero work on understanding their own problem.
I've seen so many Windows users come out of nowhere to shit on Linux when gaming comes up. There was the whole thing where a bunch of alpha testers got banned on Ashes of Creation a few weeks ago and the discord just had like half of people in their discord throwing hate around.
Also accusing Linux users of being cheaters... as if game cheats are made for Linux.
Good, but native would be better. At least they can't kill Linux the way they did os/2
IBM killed OS/2, because they hate end users. IBM has a long history of making great end user products (awesome keyboards, great laptops, still good software) only to sell them to the highest bidder. All IBM execs can see are penguins with suitcases full of dollar bills. OS/2? End users loved it, but it didn't run on mainframes. Killed. The Model M keyboard? End users loved it, but it was too durable, so it did not guarantee many sold units (because why would anyone buy a new Model M while the old one is still good?) -> rebranded as Unicomp and left to rot. (Typing this on a Unicomp PC122, but that's a different story.) Thinkpads? Ah well, those are expensive. And they aren't mainframes. Sold to the Chinese because ugh! End users! Lotus (SmartSuite, Notes)? Nice to have, but nope, too many end users. Ugh! End users!
To be fair, nobody loved Notes
"Perfect is the enemy of good."
I'll take compatible.
Most people game on windows. It's monolithic nature also means that they will mostly encounter the same bugs.
Linux has a wider base of functionality. A bug might only show up on Debian, not Ubuntu.
End result, they spend 60% of their effort solving bugs, for 2% of their base. That's not cost viable.
Compatibility means they just have to focus on 1 base of code. All we ask is that they don't actively break the compatibility. This is far less effort, and a lot easier to sell to the bean counters.
Once Linux has a decent share, we can work on better universal standards. We likely need at least 10% to even get a chance there.
Ummmm sure?
I don't want to start that extremely old flame war of native VS jit code but....
Proton is not an emulation, it is a translation to native code, and while it has some drawbacks (more memory usage, more time at start up to compile things) it can unlocks a lot of potential when the hw support new capabilities, this is the reason that some dx10 games run faster on Linux...
I might be wrong, but I don't think proton is either? It's running x86 instructions either way, wine just provides a way to load it from the windows executable and library formats, and together with proton they provide implementations of windows libraries for those executables to use.
As far as I know for the new Vulkans layers and dx12 implementation there is a "translation layer" from the old dx implementation to the most updated one. This is the main reason why old games runs faster on Proton than in w7 for the same hw. Even if they were designed for w7 specifically.
Last time I checked this was done during the booting of the game, but i have to admit this was time ago and it could have been changed.
It is a translation layer, but the bit you added "to native code" sounds like you're misunderstanding what translation layer means.
Games use a collection of APIs (DirectX is a set of APIs, but there's others to handle offer operations like network access and such) to interact with OS functionality, and also receive communicarion back from the OS (the windows message loop). Proton and wine are implementations of those APIs that translate the API calls to their equivalent in linux, as well as setting up their own message loop that translates messages from the linux kernel and UI system into their windows equivalent before sending them to the registered windows messaging loop functions.
A simple example would be if a function header in windows looks like int32 SomeFuncWin( int64 index, char* name ), but looks like int32 SomeFuncLinux( std::string name, int64 index ), then the translation would be something like:
int32 SomeFuncWin( int64 index, char* name ) {
std:string TranslatedName( name );
return SomeFuncLinux( TranslatedName, index );
}
So it doesn't change/translate any of the code of the program itself, it just provides the environment that behaves exactly like a windows environment by translating the "hey could the OS do this for me?" requests from windows to linux. Note that not all translations are that simple, there might need to be more processing on the values, missing arguments might need to be filled in, irrelevant arguments ignored, sometimes data needs to be translated to another format, etc.
The speed ups can come from improved efficiency in the underlying implementations (which Vulkan has, as I understand even using a translation layer from DX to Vulkan in windows can result in better performance) or having fewer services running in the background.
You are partially right, I was fast and sloppy and I gave the impression all is jitted and it is not the reality.
The part of the translation is fine. However there are parts that are compiled beforehand (shaders for example and I can recall something about arm or other architectures, not sure now). And this is a crucial point of the extra performance, because some parts can be ported to more updated/efficient implementations, not because there are less services in the background.
I guess most of the process is just using a wrapper to translate the call to a Windows library to the equivalent call to a Linux library.
I think most of the work is in the fact that there often isn't an "equivalent call", and it can be quite a lot of code to make it work. One funny thing is the whole esync-fsync-ntsync issue, where synchronization is done differently on Linux and on windows, and translating it was a big performance hit, and difficult to do accurately. If I understood correctly, esync, fsync and ntsync were a series of kernel patches implementing additional synchronization code in the kernel, with ntsync actually replicating the windows style.
100% of games worth playing work on Linux!
Oh, yeah? I have a super niche German adventure game from 2004 that I can't get up and running. But then it also won't work on at least Win7 and up (I tried). I can't even get that running on an XP virtual machine. This game has become my nemesis.
See if you can trick Ross Scott into playing it. :) He has near infinite patience for forcing old games to run, and a skilled network to lean on.
What about an emulator like 86box or so? And which game is it?
Where's my hype the time quest? I tried and it was a huge pain in the ass and I couldn't fully get it working.
I actually enjoy Battlefield 1 + 5 very much, and they killed it with their anticheat shenanigans. I am still salty about this.
Fuck EA.
The only games I've struggled with are those with codecs that are not distributed with Proton. Installing GE-Proton solved it.
99.99% of games on Linux unlocked.
GE-proton what add to proton? Beside codecs
From their readme:
Things it contains that Valve's Proton does not:
protonfixes is huge, all of those weird little things you had to do like changing dll versions or installing .net are just stored in a script that is automatically run when it detects what game you're playing.
Also, GE-proton updates more frequently and those updates include current versions of the underlying programs (dxvk, wine, etc) so any fixes that are made in these underlying systems will be available in GE-proton very quickly.
Thanks for the additional infos!
Here is the protonfixes repo for reference: https://github.com/Open-Wine-Components/umu-protonfixes
Someone might want to ping that .ml user, since I’m instance banned from there, they won’t be able to see my answer
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I meant @[email protected]
For me its 100% of games, but sure, havent tried all games that exist..
Typically the competitive multiplayer ones fail because of kernel-level anticheat.
Yeah, and these are biggest ones, Fortnite, LoL, Valorant... They are in that 10% but they are the biggest, so at least people like me that don't play them should just make the jump already.
This keeps getting repeated as a blanket statement and it irks me a bit. More than half of the top ten most played games on steam on any given day work. There's a small handful of games that don't work that fit into the competitive multiplayer genre and an even smaller handful that are actually popular.
To be clear, I'm not irk'ed with you, just that this myth that gets passed around a lot hasn't caught up to reality.
Top games by player count by daily players (numbers are peak in 24 hrs)(skipping anything that doesn't qualify as competitive multiplayer):
✅ Top 20 total - 2.83 mil ❌ Top 20 total - 1.5 mil (including Delta force)
Idk. Having just crunched the numbers I guess it's fair to warn people about some borked Anti-Cheat games but I wish people would caveat by saying the majority of games people play even in the competitive multiplayer scene work. And it's only going to get better i'd argue, although games like bf6 being a recent launch that didn't work is a bummer. As the percentage of Linux users climb they'll be increasingly incentivized to find a solution.
League isn't on here, that would skew the numbers pro-windows.
The green tick may give the impression that the game runs just as well on Windows. In reality, there have been issues with CS2 on linux recently. Even though its officially supported, It may look like Valve doesn't have good enough testing to actually ensure that. I tried it on Fedora KDE with wayland and nvidia and it crashed after one match (if not in the middle of it). Similar issues have been reported on the issue reporting repo. It may be an Nvidia+Wayland issue again (like there have been so many times before).
I was going off of protondb. I can't vouch for each game on the list's exact state on any given day, only that according to everyone who ranks on the website it's native or gold.
Apex Legends worked on Linux every year except this one. League I'm told dropped support only recently (in the last couple of years). Like, idk man, there's ups and downs to this data, but the point is not all competitive multiplayer games don't work on Linux and seemingly the majority do based on steam and protondb data.
Or games from the late '90s and early 2000s 'cause they're just weird.
But those don't work right on modern windows, either
Which means if they worked in Linux they'd be exclusive.
Out of curiosity, is this something that can be circumvented by playing in a Windows VM?
No, that was my setup for some time. KVM with PCI-e passthrough to pass the entire GPU to a windows VM. Worked great, until EAC started banning me for using a VM.
Thanks, good to know
https://mastodon.gamedev.place/@SilbinaryWolf/115483449807384098
Interesting. I beat hollow knight on my Linux desktop years ago. And I'm currently playing through silksong on my steam deck. And you're right. I've never seen this lol.
I played both HK and silksong on arch, and haven't noticed any glaring problems like that.
I just installed bazzite and hk, no issues.
Really the thing that does not work for Linux gaming is when you have a high dpi display. So many games render the UI wrong.
I don’t know if they work correctly on Windows either.
What resolution is that?
4k?
I have a 5k monitor with 2x display scaling, so 5120x2880 scaled to 1440p
Skill issue
I played through and 100%'d Silksong entirely on Linux. The only issue I had was that the native Linux version had buggy controller support causing phantom inputs, and didn't activate rumble at all (like the original Hollow Knight).
I normally play everything through Proton-GE by default and didn't realize the game was initially installed as native. Forcing GE installed the Windows version and it was flawless all through the final boss.
(In short, definitely a skill issue)
Yeah, I can say that covers most of the "troubleshooting" I've had to do with games that don't work. I usually go in thinking "uh oh, maybe it's time for me to have to check a bunch of proton versions, this will be a pain" only to see that it's trying to run it natively and switching to proton at all resolves any issues.
The only other thing that comes to mind is that I use dvorak and something about the way keyboard layouts are handled means it tries to "preserve" the bindings when I switch layouts in game, so it keeps the messed up QWERTY keys but dvorak layout even when I switch (and can tell it's switched from typing things like in chat). Most games let me rebind the keys so I just need to go through the bindings, hitting the key currently bound each time as if I was using QWERTY and it rebinds. Though I suspect that due to the "preserve the layout" behaviour that keyboard input is handled specially by proton and maybe I can tweak settings to get the desired behaviour (ie, changing layouts in game means I want the bindings to change).
This you?
I finally switched to Linux just a few days ago when upgrading my laptop's SSD, and so far I have only opened minecraft to see how it runs - extremely smoothly, even though I could not figure out how to make use the Nvidia GPU. I'd say it runs noticeably better on Linux than it did on Windows.
Unless it has changed recently, I think most distros default to running on the Nvidia GPU all the time: Switching back and forth doesn't always work. (Or at least, that's how my laptop run with Manjaro)
I think this is a higher percentage than Windows 11 if you include 16-bit ones from the 90s and early 2000s. (What was wrong with NTVDM64, anyway?)
Wen vr?
Okay, real talk.
I know there's probably 100 videos on this, but I don't have time to watch any of them right now...
How much performance is lost/gained from using Linux to play games via proton?
I'm certain any game with a native Linux version will work great, I'm mostly concerned with the ones that need some kind of emulation layer.
colloquially, I hear "5-10% overhead depending on the game and if you're running mods"
On the other hand, some testing has found that running games on Linux with Proton is actually faster than with Windows on the same hardware, because Windows is such a resource hog.
The hardware in in this test being the Legion Go steamdeck rival.
See, that's what I was thinking. I'll have to do more research, but I would think all the overhead from Windows being Windows, would kind of diminish the gap between running it natively on Windows, and using proton or something so you can run it on Linux.
The overhead on both should be fairly similar, though with how Windows is, it wouldn't surprise me if it was slower.
I guess the beefier your system is the less you will notice the impact of a greedy OS (because thats a fixed/absolute overhead) while the performance hit of having to translate directx through Proton will always be there (because that's a percent-based overhead for each rendered frame)
So for the most top-end rigs, probably still Windows will squeeze a few more FPS. But it's close.
At the end of the day Linux and Windows are both pretty comparable for gaming performance, so we shouldn't worry about that as a deciding factor in which OS to choose, and can decide based on other merits.
Even if there is a slight performance loss, I feel like for the vast majority of games it's basically irrelevant, especially since most of the examples I see are like maybe 5-15% worse if it's worse at all.
If you are still over 60FPS then I don't really see why it's that much of an issue. Even having 165hz monitors I don't really notice much difference above 100, as long as the frame rate is consistent.
And as far as I've seen for AMD performance will be equal to if not better than Windows. The only issues I've seen with performance are Nvidia, but it's been improving and seems to be "good enough" from what I hear. Also, the more people who switch the more likely that will improve even more.
Yup. I agree. I was just checking to see if that was the case.
I was certainly hoping it was, but I wanted to see what other people's experiences have been.
Thanks for the conversation.
As I had an older pc this was true most of the time
Most stuff works outside of system anti-cheatl level multiplayer and some visual novels that can be tough to setup sometimes.
The only game I couldn't get to run on Wine was NOLF 1. Everything works except the music, which relies on DirectPlay / DirectMusic.
Maybe try protontricks. You can add the libraries needed for directmusic to the game that way. Worked for me this way for gothic.
I would love to swap to Linux if we could get games with kernel level anti cheat to be compatible.
I'd love for those games to be on Linux if they remove the spyware.
I'm gonna be that guy, most of them are in some way or another. The devs literally decided to not bother pressing the button that enables compatibility because they don't feel like it.
The only game I am not able to make it work on Linux is "The Sims 4". After installing it on Steam, when clicking on Play, it runs the EA app in the background and tries to start the game, but it doesn't load. Any suggestion?
always check protonDB:
https://www.protondb.com/app/1222670
Looks like most people are using GloriousEggroll's version of Proton (ProtonGE) and some are using launch options to disable the EA Launcher.
GE works on Wine at Red Hat and is thus very knowledgeable about windows translations and the stuff he changes about Valves Proton are often merged down the line, its like an unofficial beta release and I've had good a experience with his proton Versions.
That said, to actually get custom Proton Versions I use "ProtonUp-Qt"(available as flatpak): https://davidotek.github.io/protonup-qt/
Which downloads different Proton Versions and manages them for you. You can then set the default for all games in the steam settings, or on a game-by-game basis
“ProtonUp-Qt” looks great, thx. I just reinstalled Bazzite and this looks like the go.
Try the GE version of Proton, it's usually more curring edge.
Mayb this can help: https://www.protondb.com/app/1222670
Thank you so much, it worked installing EA app on Lutris and using ProtonGE 10.25
Happy that it worked! GE Proton is usually more cutting edge, and it's my default. I fall back to regular one if I have problems, but it's rare.
Even Starcraft???
Playing Hogwarts legacy at the moment, but I also tested ETS 2 and the tenants.
Unfortunately the 10% that don't include the biggest, most played games in the world.
Like Elden ring and nightreign? Hugely successful games. Play them all the time in Linux.
Hows battlefield 6 going on linux? Fortnite? Black Ops 6? Warzone? PUBG? Apex Legends? GTA 5 / GTA Online?
I don't play any of those.
My point is, there's loads of great popular multiplayer games that don't use garbage kernel level anticheat.
But Elden Ring and Elden Ring Nightreign are not multiplayer games.....?
You can also add many more of the top most popular multiplayer games to my list, I just listed a few of the biggest. You won't be playing GTA6, which is likely to be the biggest game of all time, on Linux. Black Ops 7, the biggest release of this year, won't be on Linux.
You obviously know nothing about these two games lol. Yes they are multiplayer. Nightreign is also designed to primarily be played 3 players online at a time.
Co-op, duels, and “invasions” lol. Not what we’re talking about here. Elden ring is a single player game for all that any one cares or knows.
We’re definitely not talking about co-op when anyone says multiplayer.
You need to learn the definition of "multi", then.
This. Plus anti-cheat is still a removed on Linux.
Anticheat works fine. Just not the kernel level nasty ones. But that's a good thing.
If you don't want to be able to play the biggest games released, I guess.....
You're looking at it wrong. They need to not invade our kernel.
For this type of anti-cheat yes, they do.
You can choose not to let them, it just means you can't play the games. Do you believe they're installing malicious code or something in the anti-cheat?
Exactly. This is not a type I need. My kernel does not need to be invaded. It's literally enabling spyware and you'd never know it.
Do I believe it? I don't know. But it's possible and I'd never know, so fuck that.
That’s a lot of “it possibly could, but it never has happened with huge reputable billion dollar companies”. Also seems like an AI generated list, or copied from Wikipedia? If that’s the best you can find, yeah there’s no issue.
No one should be giving some random anti-cheat program made by who knows who kennel level access, but one by EA? Fine. EA aren’t in the business of getting bankrupted by installing rootkit malware with their video game anti-cheat.
Calling anti-cheat “spyware” is dumb.
Impressive, now tell me what % of the top 20 current concurrent players games run on linux.
Here you go:
Want more?
More?
MOAR?
And personally:
What am I looking at? What are the colors?
Ok, I figured it out after visiting protondb.com
Yeah, sorry.
Medals are probably the best metric. Besides red for broken, they go
And above that "native", which I think is not included in the charts. Even native games you can still opt to play through proton though. I had better performance playing Slay the Spire and Project Zomboid on older gfx with Proton than native for example.
as far as i can tell this only accounts for games on steam, which means massive games like fortnite, valorant, league of legends and genshin impact are excluded. also for some reason apex legends is rated as silver on protondb despite very much not working on linux? so i guess at least one of the silvers in the top 10 chart should be downgraded to not working
This is true. For anticheat specific issues there is https://areweanticheatyet.com/
Apex Legends is silver because it had 3k+ positive reviews before, but about a year ago EA decided to flip the switch on Linux within EAC. Likely to fuck with steam deck, or maybe to do some handwaving of dealing with cheaters.
So 60% for top 10?
That 10%? The games everybody plays.
This may be the first time I haven’t fallen into the subset of “everybody.”
Everything I want to play runs using Linux/proton. It seems like the only things that have trouble are things I’d never consider even installing, let alone running.
I was watching a video about extraction shooters and it mentioned a F2P Chinese one. I wasn't that interested in it, but I wanted to give it a try to see what it was doing differently. It didn't run though, because almost all Chinese games have kernel-level AC. I figure it's not a big loss. I own EfT, and I've got other extraction shooters to play, especially ARC Raiders now.
That was the last time, and the only time in a very long time, that a game I tried to play didn't just work.
ARC Raiders is what I'd be playing even on Windows.
An extraction shooter where there is a common enemy creates a lot of spontaneous cooperation. People are still dangerous, but seeing a person isn't a life or death situation like in EfT.
This sounds like they did you a solid by not working. I’ll have to look up this genre of shooter, though; not something I’ve heard of before. I tend to be too easily annoyed for anything that isn’t single-player or local co-op these days, although some part of me still remembers some MMOs though rose-colored nostalgia glasses.
I pretty sure I wouldn't have enjoyed it as much as EfT or definitely not ARC Raiders, but I still wanted to see what they decided to do differently. Yeah, they probably saved me some time.
I'm curious, does EFT work on Linux now? I had a workaround with a windows VM years ago, but the anti-cheat decided that was evil one day and wouldn't let me play anymore
I got Single Player Tarkov working, but it was a pain in the ass. I think vanilla multiplayer won't, but it's been quite a while since I tried.
You’re the exception
Most people play the same 3 FPS games that don’t run on Linux. They’re probably not the type of people that would use Linux but hey, some might
I guess I'm not everbody then. After writing this message I'll go and play some Witcher 3.
Witcher 3? Never heard of it.
/s
I've never seen a harder hard-on than the hard-on Lemmy has for Linux.
More power to you guys, I'm just saying, Linux circlejerking represents like a third of the posts I see when browsing All.
I reckon a result of its reputation as an alternative to "mainstream" sites like Reddit, which is also a STEM-oriented gamer-nerd site disproportionately represented by men. So, tons of dudes on here use Linux professionally and are also of a libertarian mindset that is conducive to Linux evangelism on the basis of an ever-encroaching capitalist authoritarianism. edit: Also adding that I'm sure age is a factor in both the decision to leave other social media sites and a particular intolerance for the surveillant, bloated state of consumer PC's at this point.
They're not wrong, Linux is honestly the best route to a decent desktop experience now that Windows is caught in an AI deathloop and the Linux community is expansive enough to support casual users (I don't care about Apple stuff, but the cost would detract from the experience certainly). I made the switch when it got to the point that Windows literally took more work to use on a daily basis because of how hostile it has become to the user.
There are women who are also pro Linux.
I've used it off and on since the early 2000s, but switched full time last year when they were threatening to put the AI stuff in windows.
Also, being queer and the fear of how many companies are bending the knee to fascism I am concerned with privacy.
Yes, I know there are queer people and women on Linux, it wouldn't exist otherwise. Their use of it doesn't explain why it's so prominent on Lemmy though. Most evangelists are STEM men and I used the word "libertarian" very intentionally as most also would not consider the surveillance bad because of its danger to vulnerable groups but rather because of a discomfort with any challenge to private ownership. I do agree with them that the user experience is significantly better on Linux and that alone is a good reason to switch.
I agree, the ability to better control my visibility to an increasingly fascist state is a major benefit of Linux. With that in mind, I think it is very important for antifascists to practice internet sovereignty and build infrastructure that exists independently from the interests of capital.
Well, as far as Lemmy goes most of the people who came over first are people who are technically and privacy oriented. Issues with Reddit causing several exoduses (I think I spelled that right).
What has historically pushed people to use Linux is the same driver for pretty much anything fediverse/activity pub. It's the early adopters that are going to shape the discourse for a while. I think Reddit was the same way at the start as was Digg.
Your average non-techie is less likely to want to figure out how to use Lemmy over just dealing with the other things the corporate sites are doing. Not that there aren't non-techies on Lemmy, but it will take time for them to overtake the techies by a significant degree, if it happens at all.
Totally.
I've been using Windows a long time. I'm actually in IT. Microsoft is definitely going the wrong direction with it. It doesn't bother me too much because I know how to change what I need to change to make it work the way I want.
It does get old though seeing so many Linux posts all the time. Like, I get it. But over-exposure and fanboying could end up driving people away. I just scroll past. It's not a big deal. Just felt like pointing it out.
That was a major motivator behind my switch. If I had to fiddle anyway, might as well use something where the fiddling has more payoff. Also don't want to whack-a-mole AI surveillance from a company close with the fascist regime.
I'm honestly more concerned with them misrepresenting its ease of use than anything else. I ran into a lot of guides and videos that wanted to make it seem more aporoachable so as to not discourage potential users that significantly downplayed the amount of extra work it would take to use Linux. Bash is typically sidelined if they're promoting Mint or Zorin for example. I study humanities, but I have a good amount of experience with terminals and so learning a new CLI wasn't s big deal, but I know that'd be a deal breaker for a lot of new users who would likely feel bamboozled by the insistance that it's "just like Windows."
Meh. Lemmy is a fairly small community of people who know at least enough about computer and software that they're willing to push away from main-stream sites like Reddit. It seems kind of obvious that those same people would also be inclined to push away from Windows.
I wouldn't call it a 'hard-on'. It's just a kind of obvious correlation of people's interests. And no, it's nothing like 1/3 of the posts. It's just that you only think about linux when you're reading one of those posts, and so you only think to mentally tally the posts when you're actually reading one. It's a kind of cognitive bias. You could easily check this by just looking at the first few pages of 'all' right now. There's almost no posts about linux there at all.
So you are saying that we should do it harder? Acknowledged boss!
100% of Windows games run on Windows. Just saying.
I've heard that there's some older windows games that don't run in newer versions of Windows but do run in proton
Space Cadet Pinball was removed from Windows, but it comes stock with Bazzite.
Just play it anywhere.
Right, but you realise that's a reverse engineered version of the game? The original can't be played on Windows. One glorious project to save a beloved game is a noble endeavour, but the same cannot be done for all the Windows games like it that cannot be played anymore. Spore is barely playable these days.
The source article we're commenting on here largely argues that Linux is only halfway decent for gaming because of Wine, a reverse-engineered version of the Windows ABI/API. Are reverse-engineered versions a valid point or not?
Wine is not an emulator. It's a translation layer, which enables running the original software. Linux with Wine supports old windows games better than new windows does. In the next few years we'll reach the point where Linux can play more games than Windows can, and it may already be here.
I know that Wine zealots use that as a meme, but please note that I haven’t said it was. (Not that it mattered for the users anyway.)
Citation needed.
True, but getting us privacy-concious folks to use any version of windows, even the most palatable (Enterprise IOT LTSC, which is impossible for an individual to acquire through official channels) is a hard sell. I'm still only using Win10 IOT LTSC for VR game support, but I'm just biding my time. Already switched all of my other devices off windows.
Why would privacy-conscious folks run a system that’s largely being developed by Microsoft, Red Hat and the NSA instead of a BSD?
If only Windows wasn't so ass :(
Not necessarily, steam includes a windows compatibility layer making many windows games playable on Linux and that's how most steam deck games run. On stream deck specifically the battery life and performance is often better under this translation layer than installing windows and running them natively.
Edit: Just skimmed the article, this is exactly what it's about.
The comment you replied to did not dispute that. They said Windows games run on Windows, not that they don't run on Linux.
Fair point :)
Even the 16 bit ones? ;)
Yes.
Hmm, while interesting, that doesn't seem like it comes with windows itself :P
I’m sure there are Windows distributions which have some DOS emulator preinstalled. ;-)
Linux users hate reality, so they downvote comments. Made my day.
Bait 😔
I think its more that you stated the obvious. Like saying 100% of Linux Appimages run on Linux. The reason to move from Windows, or one of them, is MS using telemetry and screen capture and other bloat that ruins the gamiglng experience due to processing power needed, you move that to a Linux machine and there's no background garbage running.
For example my machine had dual boot, at idle windows was using 6% of processing power to do nothing. On Linux it was 0 to .5% to idle.
With windows updates I have to delete Ai.exe and Ai.DLL from the office folders or randomly ai starts hogging resources even if I have no office apps in use. Just a terrible user experience.
They stated the obvious, which didn't add to the conversation, and also was wrong. There are a number of older games that just do not work on modern Windows. Frequently they work through WINE/Proton just fine though.
WINE works on Windows.
You think it's doing nothing, but it definitely is doing something. Windows just does more stuff than Linux. For all you know it's rebuilding indexes to make the whole PC run better.
Its running uneccessary stuff for my user, like telemetry, and other preinstalled MS nonsense ai.exe, etc.
And it definetly wasn't building indexes. LOL. I have excel installed, if I type excel in the search with app filter it can't find it.
Also I shared a drive between windows and Linux before. Linux GNOME indexing finds stuff instantly, Windows indexed search still takes forever looking for data.
Lol ok so you're just straight up lying. Good to know it's not worth interacting.
Typical windows troll, doesn't like the truth.
Typical anti-windows troll, just lies through their teeth.
you can downvote on lemmy?
some instances (like yours blahaj) block the use of downvotes
Which is a good thing in my opinion. Constructive debates work better without wordless reactions.