Spyke
lemmy.world

Weapon is visible at 0:06, appears to be a paintball gun. Unclear if it's pepper balls or something else.

Still illegal use of force, but thank goodness it's not bullets.

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explodiclereply
sh.itjust.works

Let's treat it as just as deadly as the police would if you fired it at their car.

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AbidanYrereply
lemmy.world

If some masked asshole is pointing a weapon at you while standing in front of your SUV, floor it.

This isn't going to stop until ICE actually gets the response Puppy Killer keeps saying they're getting.

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anomnomreply
sh.itjust.works

They would have killed here if she did this.m, possibly killing her kids in the process.

I hope a lawyer gets ahold of her to sue ICE hard for harassment, assault, endangering her family, and whatever else they can.

Start taking millions in settlements, it’s better that dying during an escalation.

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AbidanYrereply
lemmy.world

As long as it's taking everything the agents involved and their leadership own instead of just stacks of cash from taxpayers.

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The difference is that if you reposses their truck they may actually learn how consequences work.

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depending on where you are, using a paintball gun as a weapon gets it treated as a firearm

and if somebody's shooting at you with a firearm, you goddamn well have the right to shoot back. or at least that's what I've been told about the US by the people who voted for this kind of shit to happen

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Eventually, someone will panic and shoot back, then they'll put away the non-lethal and start killing people, for safety reasons. For examples see any interaction with local police.

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Almost certainly pepper balls. I don't know what else it could be. It's something powdered at least, and that's the only thing I know of that acts like that fired out of that weapon.

But yeah, I read the title and assumed gunpowder bullets. It sucks that we're thankful for "only" this level of violence.

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Tja
programming.dev

I remember being told the second amendment was necessary for Americans to defend themselves from a tyrannical government.

"That could never happen here" they said about government brutality in other countries.

Now kids have to fear mass shooters in school and fascist shooters in parking lots.

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Who would have thought all the "don't tread on me" posturing, was actually "come on my back, daddy" sensibility.

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Doomsiderreply
lemmy.world

You were lied to by the gun lobby. The second amendment people are clearly on the side of ICE. Guns work as an oppressive force to prevent people from stopping ICE, not the other way around.

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lemmy.world

The world will be a better place when the people eager to work for ICE are dead or in prison.

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Hopefully, I will get to refer some to Mr. Satan. He has the best facilities for holding the irredeemable, I hear.

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I assume you want to not give them this additional legitimacy by calling them the police, I think that's good... but they are functionally the police in the broader sense of the word

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lemmy.world

Hey! Whoa! That's TOTALLY uncalled for, and you're just being ignorant!

......ducks aren't racist!

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Zer0_F0xreply
lemmy.world

It came. It's been there for months already. This won't lead to some final epic showdown for democracy. Democracy lost the battle this time.

This fascism won't be voted away and the millions of assholes it emboldened now know how to do it again and face no consequences.

If this is fixable it'll take decades to fix.

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Hadriscusreply
jlai.lu

maybe you want to make it clearer what you are referencing then

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explodiclereply
sh.itjust.works

In the coming months you will notice many cryptic posts by people who don't want to be in the next video.

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piefed.social

What is "it" then? You could be referencing an amazon delivery truck for all we know.

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We DON'T know what you're talking about. Because you just said the most vague nonexplaintory "It's coming", with zero context or followup. I could say "It's coming", and in MY head I'm talking about game 6 of the world series. I would know what I mean, but if I said it in a post about fascism, people would assume I'm saying fascism is coming. Which it's not, because it's already here.

That's where everybody else's confusion stems from about your comments.

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lemmy.world

If you still think protest voters impacted the 2024 election, you are deepthroating propaganda pushed to make you hate young people

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lemmy.world

You should look at the voting partiction history of this country and stop whining about the people that the rich want you to hate instead of them.

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Oh, little buddy. I do hate the rich as well.

You just don't blame them for anything because you have people to your left that you actually hate as designated scapegoats.

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At least you didn't have to live in a world where people had the option to vote for an anti-genocide candidate.

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Damn, poor baby; a fraction of the horror you supported committing to foreigners had returned home to affect you. Maybe you shouldn't have spent decades loudly demonstrating that you fully consider this kind of thing fully acceptable under the assumption no-one would ever do it to you.

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crusa187reply
lemmy.ml

Even if every protest voter voted for Kamala, she would not have come close. Do the bare minimum of analysis before bleating out establishment propaganda you saw on digg.

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crusa187reply
lemmy.ml

Dem with absolute refusal to address the issues within, I’m not shocked at all.

Official uncommitted count was just over 700k, and she lost by 2 million. Both parties lost substantial amounts of votes compared to 2020, but Dems lost way more. Repugs lost 2 million, and Dems lost 10 million voters, comparatively.

Uncommitted was not the problem, it was one problem for Dems. A far bigger problem was not holding a primary election in good faith.

Here’s a shocker for you: when these dipshits anoint yet another corporate stooge who obviously doesn’t give a fuck about people’s material living conditions and policy desires, they lose. Apparently you should get used to it.

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piefed.social

The president is elected via the electoral college. Trump’s margin of electoral college victory, 86 votes, was in line with historically tight races — including 2020, 2016 and 2004 — and is smaller than the winning margins of Barack Obama, Bill Clinton, and George H.W. Bush. Trump’s margin was nowhere close to those in historic landslide elections, such as Ronald Reagan’s in 1984 and Nixon’s in 1972, who both had electoral-college margins above 500 votes. Stay in china or russia, or wherever your cave is.

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In my cave, we abolish the electoral college and don’t put up with superdelegate nonsense stealing noms from progressives.

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Stay in china or russia, or wherever your cave is.

BlueMAGA are just fascists; blaming foreigners for all their countries problems like the McCarthyist white supremacists they are

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Shut the fuck up already. No one is happy about this but I hope they come for your ilk first.

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Corkyskogreply
sh.itjust.works

A lot of them are already out and are being paid a $50k sign on bonus to inflict this tyranny.

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mrgoosmoosreply
lemmy.ca

better be a non-zero number of double agents in those ranks

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lemmy.today

i heard you have to be certain amount years to recieve that bonus, a bonus they probably are going to renege on.

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Well it is Trump after all and ICE isn't testing for critical thinking skills... Or maybe they are and are screening people who have them.

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lemmy.world

The racist shitbag using the US flag to cover his face is desecrating it.

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Yeah, that's the problem here; the lack of respect for the symbols of American Civil religion

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bro they've been winning all year, this is winning to them, they don't care who the person really is so long as they can imagine it's somebody they don't like

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Im really nostalgic for the time when I did not have specific examples of why the fourth and fifth amendments are so important.

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if you are in a car and these people show up, you have right to use your car defend yourself.

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Your honour I ran those sons of bitches over in self defence. And I will do it again if required.

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lemmy.dbzer0.com

I know what they are and they are important, but the whistles are hella annoying.

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Devjavureply
lemmy.dbzer0.com

No, that's sad. You don't go to a kid with cancer and say "Well that's unfortunate.".
I'm european, so I'm not sensitized to the current situation in american cities. I hear lots of thrilling, I get annoyed. I still recognize it's a good thing. Where did I go wrong?

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Zaktorreply
sopuli.xyz

Probably when your primary response to a fascist attack on innocent people is complaining about your auditory annoyances.

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Devjavureply
lemmy.dbzer0.com

"I'm european, so I'm not sensitized to the current situation in american cities."

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Zaktorreply
sopuli.xyz

You don't need to be sensitized to state violence to recongnize that the most important thing in a scene is not whether it sounds nice to you.

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Devjavureply
lemmy.dbzer0.com

I do when I have other things going on in my life. Like hypersensitivity, mind numbing work, multiple psychological illnesses. I also completely recognized that these are good. You do not understand nuance. I can find something good and still don't like it. Take things like sports or veggies as examples. Both things lots of people do not like, but agree help immensely with no downside to speak of, next to the uncomfortableness. It just so happens that this tool for fighting fascism isn't the prettiest.

What I'm asking myself is why can I not say something and be taken literal. Not be interpreted into and just be left the fuck alone. Disagree if you like to, but don't interpret some made up bullshit into what I said because you infer my personailty from other people online. I am probably the least typical person out there. I am bisexual, I have adhd, I am gifted, I am hypersensitive, I was bullied into suicide attempts from the day I went to kindergarden to my last day in school, I have multiple physical anomalies like hyperelastic fascia or low bodyweight at weird levels of strength, which is partly of my ridiculously high metabolism, causing me to eat 2-3 times normal calories or else I'll just slowly die. I could go on, but I'm sure you're uninterested, because you think I think I'm special. bit the truth is, only people like that understand that there is no way you're ever accepted by anyone. No matter how hard you try, people will always misunderstand you. Even if you meet someone that's such freak show like you, you will never understand each other, because you are just too different. So fuck you, fuck your thoughts about me go on with your life. I have but one person similar to me in my life. I have but one person that understands me. And I am ridiculously lucky to have one.

No I am not a "republican", which doesn't even make sense, because I'm german, no I'm not a "lib", no I am not a "holy centrist", no I am not whatever you think of me. Unless, that is, a socialist, leftist, anarchist... And yes you can partially support them at the same time, such as anarchism on virtual spaces and socialism in everyday life. Don't tell I don't because I fucking do.

I hate this world sometimes. Because of it's inadequacy to accept me. Which is insane, because I'm supposed to be in one of the most special accepting communities in existence.

I have no friends. And no, it's not bevause of the way I talk, you're a stranger. I don't talk like this in real life.

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I didn't call you any type of political affiliation. I just think you're kind of an asshole. Or more likely autistic and when criticized for responding inappropriately, instead of recognizing "oh yeah, that's my autism", you argue about people criticizing you.

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CubitOomreply
infosec.pub

We should not be criticizing resistance to oppression.

You can disagree, and you can perform your own resistance, but we should not discredit resistors no matter how annoying it may be, or even how aggressive it might be.

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Devjavureply
lemmy.dbzer0.com

I specifically said they're important. I did not find them faulty, which is what criticism is about. To some extend, an annoying whistle can even be beneficial. Being heard better, or serving as a source of confusion for adversaries.

Doesn't change the fact it's a high pitched rattling noise that makes my head ache.

You lot are waaaay too sensitive.
And you need to make sure that what you say something is, is actually that by definition.

^That's^ ^criticism^

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Yeah yeah yeah, they're important but they make your head hurt. It's not hard to read between the lines.

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artyomreply
piefed.social

What would you like me to explain, exactly? I don't have anymore details than you do.

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Tippyreply
sh.itjust.works

Apparently you have enough information we don't to claim she's an illegal crime lord and deserves this, so let's hear it. Don't be a coward now, fash

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Tippyreply
sh.itjust.works

You do realize your comments here are visible to everyone, yes? These aren't DMs, boomer. Gaslighting is silly to even try, so I'm not sure why you bothered.

Again, don't be a coward like your kind always are when confronted. Let's see your evidence. Seeing as it's so obvious and we're all so wrong, this should be very easy for you.

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artyomreply
piefed.social

You're absolutely right, I'm not sure why you're trying to gaslight everyone when they can all see your comments.

LOL you cannot bully me into providing evidence for claims I have not made. You can take your strawman somewhere else.

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Oh no, am I bullying you? I'm sure that's very frightening for you, having to read mean words on the internet. Have you tried not being a sniveling melodramatic crybaby?

I'm giving you a chance to back up your claims, show you're not a fascist and prove us all wrong. Your side keeps claiming we hate free speech and stifle debate. Here you go, I'm a giving you a platform. This is your chance to hit the heavy bag, champ. Show us what you got.

You claim that this person was on the run and that they endangered other people, pets, and personal property. Again, we can see those comments you made and screenshot them if you're still confused about how forums work, so trying to pretend you didn't is braindead and isn't working, and borders on mental illness. Literally no one here except you thinks those comments aren't visible and referenceable.

Let's see the evidence you have for your stance. Go on now, snort up them tears for a few seconds and make me regret calling you a fascist. I believe in you.

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sh.itjust.works

Also no previous context included but it looks like she was on the run.

What would you call that?

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artyomreply
piefed.social

it looks like she was on the run.

Shes an illegal crime lord and deserves this

Why are you pretending to be unable to discern these statements that have literally nothing in common?

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I'm not the person you blocked, who was obviously exaggerating for effect.

But this is still a claim, which you made while admitting you had no context. Why did you make that claim?

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Also no previous context included but it looks like she was on the run.

"There's no info on what happened before so I'm going to make up a justification and present it as truth"

Fuck off Nazi

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artyomreply
piefed.social

"I don't like what this person said so I'm gonna fabricate some complete and utter bullshit and attribute it to them"

Get absolutely fucked.

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lemmy.world

What context would make it alright for an unidentified masked paramilitary organization to snatch you out of your car?

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artyomreply
piefed.social

What context did you use to derive that anyone thought any of this was "alright"?

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lemmy.world

Then how is your made-up "context" anywhere near relevant? It sure looks like a way to excuse what they're doing here.

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artyomreply
piefed.social

What makes you think my context is "made up"?

Why don't you think facts are relevant?

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lemmy.world

"It looks like she's on the run" is not facts.

Also, again, irrelevant. There's no excuse for this fascist horse shit. I wouldn't give half a fuck if anyone did run from these dickheads, and they don't need a reason besides skin color or accent to kidnap people.

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artyomreply
piefed.social

"It looks like she's on the run" is not facts.

That's not the "fact" I was referring to.

Also, again, irrelevant...I wouldn't give half a fuck if anyone did run

The level of resistance is entirely relevant to the use of force. I would recommend researching the use of force continuum.

If she is running, that would explain why they needed to subdue her, so she could not continue running and kill or maim someone else or cause tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars in property damage.

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These aren't cops dummy. They are chasing her and pepper balling her kids because they are the wrong color.

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Fuck off, fasc trash.

This is America, where we still technically have a 4th amendment.

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

I'm not playing your stupid games. Just fuck off.

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ElJefereply
lemmy.ca

Go lick some shit boots, why don’t ya?

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artyomreply
piefed.social

LOL every time. "Let's not have a nuanced discussion, let's just fling personal insults and continue omitting pertinent context so that everyone labels us shitty liars and we just make everything worse. Fuck it."

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ElJefereply
lemmy.ca

There’s no discussion to be had when there’s such a blatant disregard for human rights, and such an overt abuse of power. I don’t care what that lady did, I can guarantee you she did nothing to receive that level of threat of violence, or to warrant that amount of force from 5 overgrown cowardly motherfuckers. What you are saying is that maybe she deserved being treated like that because we don’t know the full details. What everyone else is saying is that no ordinary civilian should be treated like that, ever. Fuck your pertinent context.

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artyomreply
piefed.social

What you're saying is that you don't give a shit about the lives of other drivers, pedestrians, pets or hundreds of thousands of dollars in personal property damage. Do those "human rights" not matter? Fuck you.

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AbidanYrereply
lemmy.world

Her SUV was stationary when he fired. There was no risk to any of those pearls you're clutching.

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Yes and as we all know, Newton's second law of motion, all stationary items remain stationary in perpetuity, never to move again...

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lemmy.world

Also no previous context included but it looks like she was on the run.

This isn't publicfreakout on reddit. Pretending that there's some context to absolve people you agree with for actions you support in all contexts isn't gonna be received well here.

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artyomreply
piefed.social

I don't know what that is but you just made up a whole lot of nonsense about me based on nothing. Would you like to try again, or are you not interested in a good faith discussion and you just replied in an explicit attempt to offend me?

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lemmy.world

you just made up a whole lot of nonsense about me based on nothing

Anyone who sees the gestapo acting like the gestapo and is like "there must be some context that justifies this" does so because they support the actions of the gestapo in all circumstances, regardless of context.

Would you like to try again

No, I've said all I needed to.

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artyomreply
piefed.social

"there must be some context that justifies this"

You also fabricated that. I don't agree with that. Writing incredibly misleading headlines like this absolutely destroys the credibility of the entire movement, and will be weaponized against it, as we've seen time and time again.

No, I've said all I needed to.

Excellent, feel free to fuck off at your earliest convenience.

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lemmy.world

You also fabricated that. I don’t agree with that.

And you totally just wanted more context because you think it might make the gestapo look worse.

No. You wanted to pretend that the gestapo were justified.

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artyomreply
piefed.social

What happened to "I've said all I need to"?

I've already explained why the context is important in the comment you just replied to. If you choose to ignore it, that's not something I can help you with.

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Writing incredibly misleading headlines like this absolutely destroys the credibility of the entire movement, and will be weaponized against it, as we’ve seen time and time again.

Is this your "explanation" for why you were pretending that there is some phantom context that absolves the gestapo? Because all I'm seeing is tone policing.

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That's a pretty horrendous thing to wish on someone who did nothing but add context...

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