Analyst says Trump officials may flee if Democrats win midterms: 'Would not be surprising'
They have no path to win midterms, and they will run first. Funny thing is that they literally have nowhere to run. 🤣
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Please. Nothing will happen because the Supreme Court will back Trump. Trump will pardon them.
The only possible path to accountability is if Democrats take control of Presidency/House/Senate in 3.5 years. And even then I doubt anything will be done in the name of "healing the nation".
We don't have 3.5 years, the midterms are all we have left.
In less than a year, the GOP has normalized complete fealty and disregard of the rule of law to Trump. Complete victory for fascism in the US right now is a matter of "when" and not "if."
Which makes the midterms (ugh, once again, I'm getting so tired of this) the most important election of our lifetimes. Assuming we can still get free and fair elections in 2026 before total fascist takeover, re-elevating Congress to an equal branch of the government is literally the only legal move we have left.
They own the voting machine companies, no ?
I doubt it. Didn't Trump lose a legal battle saying the machines were rigged against him?
https://abcnews.go.com/US/dominion-voting-systems-sold-company-run-former-republican/story?id=126378259
TL;DR Dominion, the voting machine company, has since been sold to a company run by a former election official who happens to be a Republican voter. For about a decade he ran a company selling an iPad-based device to help poll workers check in eligible voters.
One could see this as him just expanding his business but that is a huge upgrade. Where did he get the money for that? And why did it happen only a couple of weeks ago just as the polling was showing a landslide against Trump?
If things keep going as they are (and maybe already), there's no chance for a free and fair midterms election. The last election was the most important one and we blew it.
I don't think we did. Remember when the traitors had their hands on physical voting machines and source code?
He didn't win. He wasn't shot. He's on the list.
The list?
I agree we jumped off the cliff. But since I'm not ready to smash against the rocks, I'm holding onto any rational hope, even if it's akin to fashioning a parachute out of our shirts on the way down.
Same. Cognitive dissonance allows me to both acknowledge reality and cling to hope at the same time. You never know if it's really hopeless until you've actually hit the rocks, so let's go ahead and try to make that parachute.
I live in a red state but I've still always voted so it won't be that different for me anyway. 🥲
Bruh real talk, you can't vote your way out of fascism. You know exactly what I'm talking about.
Honestly the whole budget crisis gives me hope that our institutions are holding up.
Trump hasn't "ordered" that the government reopens.
He doesn't want it to open. He's got more power without all that overview. And his goal is to crash and burn everting, so shutting g down the government help with that.
He's certainly complaining that he wants it re-opened.
He's been simultaneously bragging and telling Republican senators not to negotiate
... a fleet of guillotines.
Edit: I don't actually know the collective noun for a group of guillotines, or even if there is one.
I don’t know either, but I think a “gallery” would be a fine collective term.
It's "a justice" of guillotines.
The collective term is a "find out".
A terror of guillotines
Yes the left loves this BS.
To Argentina?
Hey now some Confederates fled to Brazil, it ain't just Argentina where they may go
IIRC a lot of Nazis went to South America
Yeah. Mostly Argentina, but also Brazil, Chile, and Paraguay. That's what the first comment was talking about- "To Argentina?"
I was making reference to the Dixie colony set up by ex-confederates after the civil war. I am well aware that the Nazis were scatter shot across South America as a whole.
I honestly think that's what they are trying to setup. Full stop.
We did just put a deposit and first months rent on effectively they entire country with that $40B Trump sent them. I heard its non-refundable so we gotta use it.
Nazis in Argentina, it's all coming full circle
The historic refuge of their ilk
If history repeats itself then yes. They did found many nazi's there after ww2
Why else give Argentina 40 billion, Nazis always flee there.
But they also fled to America. So why do people always say this? Or just typical American BS we are the best and nothing bad ever happened here.
They didn't flee to America. They were recruited.
ussr also took some nazi scientists for their space program, iirc.
i think its just a jab at the hitler fled to Argentina myth/conspiracy/legend/4th word.
Pretty funny theory.
What are all these white liberals going to do when the elections are blatantly stolen and republicans galvanize their stranglehold on America next year?
Repugs are going to lie and say they won fairly, and the corporate news media will 100% back them up on that lie. Seriously libs, what are you going to do then? Gonna just try to get em next time in ‘28?..
All "normal" routes were already lost as of Jan. 20th when they took power and threw away the Constitution. With one party and the SCOTUS on their side it'll be almost impossible to dislodge them using peaceful means. There may still be a chance to save what scraps of democracy remain at the state and local levels and try to rebuild from there but to succeed that way will take a generation or more.
It's irritating to see all these pundits talk about, "well, when the Dems are back in power ..." They're the ones who are supposed to know what's going on. If they really believe it's going to work that way, they're in total denial.
Dem voters are going to do absolutely nothing.
They didn’t do shit when GWB created “Homeland Security” and the Patriot Act. They did nothing to stop the Tea Party. They didn’t do shit when Citizens United passed. They did nothing when Russia installed a puppet in the White House a decade ago. They did nothing when he stole classified documents. They did nothing when he was convicted of multiple felonies. They did nothing when the president’s top advisor did a sieg heil in front of the entire country. They did nothing when he started calling the national guard into US cities. They did nothing when he named The Department of War. They did nothing when he demolished the east wing…
There is no resistance. They did 2 fucking “peaceful” parades in 4 months. US liberals are a bigger problem than MAGA voters at this point and deserve whatever they get.
Yes everyone is going to go oh no the stolen election and just refuse to admit the Democrats are unelectable. The republicans are still polling higher then the democrats.
I have zero faith in the American public to do the right thing. We can blame Trump and the leaders all we want but I don't know a single person who voted for Trump 2.0 and regrets it even though I live in an 80+% Trump district that is getting completely fucked by tariffs. As a country we are just too fucking stupid to get out of this shit.
I'm sorry, but Doomerism has to die.
The only call-to-action I get from this kind of comment inspires is "give up & go home evryone; your fate is to suffer"
My intention with my own comment is to ask people to please keep the defeatist comments to yourself.
If you aren't saying anything informative or supportive in Public discourse, what are you actually putting into the Public's mind?
I was hopefully until the DNC decided to run Janet Mills against Susan Collins. They gave her early support and the people of Maine no other option. IMHO the democrats are throwing the election early, so not sure what’s going on in your contested district, but I’d be big money on Susan Collins win here.
There's a primary going on with multiple candidates and she's currently losing in polling.
2 candidates that I know of. The DNC supports one and is campaigning against the other? Is there a third candidate I am unaware of and can you source the polling you are referencing?
Oh, so you knew about the primary but just decided to say the "DNC" (actually just establishment Democrats) gave Maine no other option?
Just shut the fuck up. Go Google it yourself if you want to know who else is running or what the polls are. You not being able to keep up with news or put any effort at all into knowing current events before telling people what's going on is your problem.
What is the DNC if not the establishment democrats? The Parties leadership? Didn’t you respond to my post? I’ve been keeping up with the news, I haven’t see any polls to suggest that Janet mills is not the front runner. You said other wise. Support your statement? Nothing you said is of value so far perhaps taking your own advice on the stfu part
The DNC is truely doing the bare minimum to keep up the imagine. Its not a both sides are the same, but a lot of the both sides like money and we now all know most people are fucking selfish and stupid(at least in the united states).
You probably need to spend sometime outside the bubble you're living in. Most other places are fighting back.
By doing what?
Anti-democracy bots are already hard at work all over the internet, doing the usual "there is no difference between the parties and only stupid people engage in democracy" spiel.
"Fast" approach? It already feels like an eternity since Jan. 20th and there's still over a year to go. 😩
They've done so much damage so fast
It's amazing how fast government can be when they ignore laws, due process, and the rights of citizens
Yesterday I heard the news talking about how Trump's probably gonna interfere in the election next week. They're not even pretending like the law matters anymore
All that means is that they're going to do everything they can to rig the midterms.
They did, they will, they already are. Every single living person who is still a registered Republican, every single person who has voted for a Republican in the last 20 years is a traitor to both humanity and the American people.
i could almost forgive someone voting for bush, i could forgive someone voting for romney. but i wouldn't forgive a trump voter. this is exactly what they wanted. they played the game and they deserve their prize.
note, i would not forgive a vote for mccain. he gave a voice to the crazy wing of his party by letting palin be his running mate. if not for him, the tea party might not have happened, and we might not even have had to be in this mess.
They sent ice into nyc ahead of the mayoral elections specifically targeting areas that are latino, indian and Asian. I think this is them testing the tampering.
They have broken so many laws, its ride or die time for them.
They have plans for almost everything I'm sure. They've probably been thinking about this takeover for over 10 years.
Decades they have been planning this for decades.
Well if an analyst says it, it must be true!
This is copium.
I really dislike Nancy Pelosi, but she actually did a lot to intervene when Dems took the House back during Trump's first administration.
Democrats to use House majority to launch Trump investigations
It doesn't get talked about enough, but Trump had plans to profit greatly from COVID and vaccine privatization. He likely would have been successful if he'd been able to roll out the vaccine without democratic oversight.
He had a lot of evil plans actually, and I'm pretty sure that most of his backlash against the vaccine and COVID mandates was mainly due to him being angry he wasn't allowed to profit from the pandemic in as many ways as he hoped.
Before the pandemic, top contractor received billions from government
Vaccine Maker Earned Record Profits but Delivered Disappointment in Return
Covid-19: Trump sought to buy vaccine developer exclusively for US, say German officials
Trump officials actively lobbied to deny states money for vaccine rollout last fall
And if a subpoena isn't scary why are Republicans in the House and Senate refusing to subpoena JP Morgan to force the CEO to release bank records of transactions between Jeffery Epstein and Peter Thiel?
"Chances"? It's a fucking wipeout by the Democrats by any stretch of polling whatsoever unless they try and rig, which they are trying to do now.
Don't even pretend like the GOP has a chance in hell.
All the projections I'm looking at show 2026 with neither party having a majority, but leaning Republican.
Don't hold your breath. Everyone was saying there's no way Republican's can win in 2016, 2018, 2020, 2022, and 2024. I've seen them win a majority of those elections even with every poll saying it's a guaranteed loss for Trump, he still wins.
Flee to where? Russia? What safe harbour exists for fascists that they might flee to?
Basically none.
Argentina like last time, maybe. Russia, for a bit. Better hope to fuck the Russia Ukraine war is over quick, or they'll be hiding from NATO before they know it.
Argentina, just like last time
Why would the Trump admin flee? The Biden admin already proved Democrats are toothless.
They're total cowards, that's why. Hegseth is convinced he's the next target to get shot at, and is redirecting enormous resources to have a personal guard at all times.
It's so cute to blame pre-collapse Dems for their ability to do anything post-collapse. They have absolutely no power at any level of government, and people are furious they haven't walked on water yet. "We voted you out and gave you as much power as we should have given a criminal and a destroyer -- which is nothing. Why haven't you rebeled for the greater good? Because invading the capitol is okay when my team does it. Also my armchair is not comfy."
This is the "conservatives must fall in line, but progressives must fall in love" adage proved again and again but with a much higher bar.
What are we allowed to blame Dems in 2009 and 2021 for? Does it matter that they're all the same fucking guys, because none of these mummies ever retire?
Just one more vote bro, it will totally work this time.
The republicans have a clear path to win, the election is a toss up between the two parties at this point.
If the Democrats just assume public anger will mean they are going to win the midterm then they're doomed. Despite everything Republican support is holding in the polls. Things are so polarised that Republican voters will seemingly accept anything of their party rather than accept a Democrat.
1/3 support dems, 1/3 support republicans. The key is the 1/3 of voters who are not engaged in politics or hate both parties. The only way the dems can win the midterms is getting off their arses and speaking to those voters. But rightly, those voters are fed up with the shit fest that is US politics.
The midterms are going to be down to the wire, and sadly I wouldn't be surprised if the republicans win.
Don’t forget the huge gerrymandering push to steal dozens of seats and try to force a Republican majority
Vote yes on prop 50
The dems have to engage the left they have completely alienated. The people on the edge of their overton window that think the dems are a complete and total failure and also invoke Godwins law every time a GOP policy is duscussed. Instead the dems think the people they need to seek are the centerists... And well... Look what that got them last time.
So, like Nazis?
Not sure if people get this yet or not. We either crush them in the next election or we end up physically fighting them. This is how fascism works. They have signaled to us that there is no red line for them regarding their own representatives. None. They will absolutely allow this to go all the way unless we stop them. And, at this point, I'm not sure the election thing is going to work because when fascists are in control, they tend to not allow fair elections. I mean they attempted a violent insurrection the last time they lost. Who actually thinks they're going to allow a fair election?
The beating heart of the Nazi movement was the revanchist WW1 veterans allied with the US-backed eugenics-pilled German industrialists of the 1920s.
It's pretty clear the US is flush with the second half. No shortage of insane Silicon Valley techbros who think they can vibes-code a libertarian utopia with a bit more unfettered police power. But I have to wonder how much of the former is frothing under the skin of the modern American system. How many modern day ICE goons are hold-overs from the War on Terror, desperately looking for a W after putting up all those Ls in Afghanistan and Iraq and a dozen other theaters of war we're not allowed to talk about?
Hey, look, it's
19841988200020042006200820142016202020222024 all over again.Surprise isn't a thing when they've been gleefully announcing their actions in rigging it.
You are absolutely insane:
Where the hell are you seeing the GOP winning anything? Even their own party is saying it's going to be an absolute wipeout.
Polling is all over the place but polling can't be trusted worth a shit. Best advice is don't be comfortable, be nervous, vote. Some folks clearly need fear as a motivator
Just the gerrymandering issue alone is a huge setback. Then you factor in the dominion voting systems sale to a trump donor. It's gunna be a wild ride at least.
The Gerrymandering has effectively been shut down by Prop 50 being so popular in CA. Indiana isn't moving on theirs, Missouri looks like it's going to be shutdown, Ohio can't move...etc...etc. These corrupt morons have only JUST learned what gerrymandering will actually do in their states, and they have no path to making any of this work anywhere but TX it seems, and CA has neutered that bullshit.
I hope you're right. But I am remaining pessimistic, as this country is rightly fucked.
Not one damn single thing you mentioned matters when it's quite literally TRUMP'S people in charge of every aspect of voting; from the voting machines themselves, to the oversight of the polling locations. He's spent every second of the last year making sure of that.
I'm happy you're optimistic. God knows we can use some of that in the world today. But damn, man...don't be naive.
This seems baselessly optimistic - they're achieving all of their goals right now, which include capturing the judicial and electoral systems. Why would they ever feel the need to flee a system they control outright, and are at no reasonable risk of losing?
I mean shit, that would be the wise thing to do. I probably would too if I was worried about investigations into all the war crimes I committed, all the rights I violated, all the documented abuse and negligence, and all the humans that have died or gone missing in their fucking detention centers. Not to mention all the money they've clearly stolen, and contracts they've violated.
I was actually thinking that's probably the real reason Stephen Miller sold his house rather than he was threatened bc "radical leftists" wrote mean messages in chalk on his sidewalk.
How does resigning protect their criminal asses from being subpoenaed?
$$$
No one is resigning.
What the hell would they have to flee from? Under Biden, all they got was richer.
Charge them, all the project 2025 people and all the dark enlightenment oligarchs for treason
And that's why they rigged the elections, so Democrats can't win.
I swear I will become a fucking bounty hunter and drag their asses back to the US to face trial.
Real talk if we manage to shake them off it's our duty to sign up for things like FBI jobs and the Coast Guard etc. National Guard for sure. State Guard already... We need to pack the institutions like they are trying to.
Interpol is going to nab them. They have no where to run. No one is their friend.
Argentina... Like the Nazis of old
Given your username I'm not sure if this is a typo or not
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/quicklime
Oh that was all natural
This might explain all the money spent there. They want to secure a spot in case their plans go awry.
Hitler actually did the same thing. Benz had extensive business there. His ministry of business had lots of supply chains rooted there.
These Colors
Don'tRun!Just like King Trump's anus.
I'm pretty doubtful, a month or two ago there was a poll saying faith in the DNC was at an all time low. People aren't just going to wake up en mass because things are bad: this whole admin is just a replay of 2016-2020 but with a little extra shark jumping, and they STILL reelected Trump's ass and put GOP in a 53 senate majority.
Then, even if a blue wave sweeps the midterms? So what? Only 20 GOP senators are up for reelection, the DNC currently have 45 seats and 2 Independents, they can't remove trump without replacing every single GOP an that is beyond improbable.
Remember even in his first term the GOP lost the midterms.
His first term was bad, but not nearly as bad. We didn't have military occupation of our own cities. We didn't have masked men abducting people off the streets into unmarked vans. We didn't have a trade war with practically every other country. We didn't have massive inflation after a prior year of massive inflation. We didn't have suspension of food security. We didn't have farmers being undermined by all this while a huge bailout is done to a foreign country. We weren't mobilizing our military for an apparent invasion.
So the Democrats might have a chance. Removal from office may not be on the table, but at least some check on executive power might be exercised. We may be stuck with a PJ2025 executive branch for at least the next couple of years after that, but at least maybe there can be some mitigation. It's at least worth a try.
Depressingly I wouldn't characterize the last decade of elections as being as much a Republican or Democratic loss as much as pretty much every single election being a loss for whomever the perceived incumbent of the time.
Notably, what you have said is the democrats are so bad that it literally takes a 100% undeniable fascist takeover to let the neoliberals rule. We gotta tear it down, man. Holy fuck. Where's option 3? Did McCarthy truly kill it?
I’m in Maine and the democrats picked the worst challenger they could find to upset Susan Collins. Once again they have failed to cultivate a decent group of candidates to win over an important senate seat. They’re going to throw in someone loyal to the party that they can control, and it will cost them an election.
We only need to control house or senate to start reining him in hard. By 2028 the economy will be in ruins and he will be ineligible to run no matter what he says or more likely dead due to his own health problems.
There is every reason to believe we can take house senate and presidency in 2028.
Even with house and senate, he has the SCOTUS behind him and a military at his fingertips.
Most congress can do is starve his branch for funding and even then only with 60 senators.
Why would you think it takes 60 senators to starve him? You need 50% of the house plus 1 or 51 senators
It takes 60 to pass a budget resolution.
It takes 41 to keep a budget from passing (government shutdown).
Anyone who can't get 7 democrats to agree with a budget obviously is fucking up badly. Maybe by giving huge tax breaks to scummy billionaires and taking away affordable medical care
TBF the last time 7 dems agreed to continue we got John Oliver to spend an entire episode roasting Chuck Schumer about his imaginary friends.
I hope I never do anything so horrible to warrant that treatment, I might never recover.
Why? PROSECUTING Criminals would be POLITICAL and that's BAD for Democrats! It's MUCH Better to Let them FREE and have them do a Handshake promising they WONT be Criminals again!
Even with the random caps and the nonsensical take, people here still have difficulty detecting the irony.
Poor deluded souls thinking that there are going to be midterms (or at least fair ones).
Trump is desperately trying to incite something to declare martial law. And if he doesn't manage to do it, closer to the midterms he'll just drop all pretense and do it anyway. That's...what....he....fucking....does.
We can hope
They could always run to Louisiana.
That's a funny way of spelling Argentina.
As we all know Argentina has a thing about letting Nazis hide there.
I mostly just want them to go to the shittiest state so they can't do any real damage.
That will take many decades to undo the damage and restore (foreign) trust and credebility.
We can only hope.
“a number of top Trump administration officials may resign in an effort to avoid being “slapped with subpoenas” from a Democrat-controlled Congress”
Scared of getting subpoenad? How about DON’T COMMIT THE CRIME! That’s why we have these things called LAWS. Don’t commit the crime if you can’t do the time!
The worst of it won’t even be them getting arrested, but will be the years if not decades, if ever, trying to clean up the infrastructural, economic, reputation and political damage they’ve done to this country in their wake. Ugh.
They’re cowards in the end with no principles.
If you have a choice to flee or just stay in power, ignoring or manipulating election outcomes, what would you do?
Like rats fleeing a sinking ship. You folks better vote your asses off!
No one ever voted their way out of fascism. Just saying.
lol like there will be midterms
I am sure they will happen, but it will be pageantry
It would be great for America if Thiel, Miller, Bezos, and the rest of the gang left. Problem is, they become an issue for whichever nation hosts them.
Hopefully it is Argentina that they exile themselves to.
Russia would take them in i reckon
You forgot Musk.
I’m pretty sure they will bring kimbal and then put up a “no musks club” sign.
There are too damn many of the critters to list without eyes glazing over.
That should keep the nazi hunters busy for a while, they were running out of targets, but now the pond has been restocked.
Losers and TACOs flee. Good riddance.
I was wondering if they can shut down the government forever and pay only ICE , Military using money from tech bros, "AIPAC", Qatar ..etc so this way no one can do anything.
To Argentina...like the Nazis.
I, for one, will not be fine with them just being removed from power. SEVERE punishment must be served or I start only voting for the people running on making that happen. You do not get to harm an entire nation of people without serious prison time or death sentences. We already learned what happens when you let a bunch of violent racists off the hook and integrate them back into your society without proper punishment setting an example going forward.
And Argentina is not even their only option at this point. Trump will uninstall Maduro and install someone else, maybe Machado. Then the 21st century nazis have a friend in Venezuela as well.
This is cope.
If they leave office it's probably going to be in a body bag after they've outstayed their welcome