Not the sole reason. They play a part, same with H&R Block, but it's more the people working for the ultra-wealthy who keep bribing politicians to create laws that allow their clients to avoid paying taxes. The companies that have tax software for the small people benefit from the tax system getting more complex, but they don't directly lobby for those rules, they just want any kind of complexity. Their big fight is against any kind of free tax preparation for the poor and middle class.
It's pretty disgusting what they do though. They make say $20 from someone filing their taxes. They take say $3 from that $20 and spend it to ensure that their customers are never offered a free alternative. They're basically making their customers pay to lobby the government to keep taxes so complex that the customer has no choice but to use them again next year.
That's absolutely not the case. They lobby to prevent the IRS making their own version of TurboTax, not lobbying to make the tax code more complex. Taxes are complex because we have little real oversight but a lot of deductions and credits. The IRS literally cannot track everything they offer deductions for, so it goes largely on the honor system until something seems fishy.
If you have a house, you have deductions. If you added solar to your house, you have deductions. If you bought an electric car or a hybrid, you had deductions for a while there. If you rent you have deductions in some states. You have to list your dependents for credits.
But like I feel like this system of deduction taxes is more difficult than any other country and it reinforces the need for americans to use software or an accountant. Am I wrong? Are other countries putting up with this shit? The biden admin is the first in my lifetime to give us credits rather than a rebate or deductible.
I should have used more precise language. There's so much jargon! https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_tax_credit_(United_States)
To my understanding this is the first time it's ever been paid directly "in advance" rather than served as a credit against your tax payments, awarding money at the end of the year - or even worse when it was non-refundable. This in advance, far higher amount, fully refundable child tax credit is fucking radical compared to what we had and what we're going back to.
But that's only really makes sense in like the simplest of cases. The government doesn't know if you had a kid this year, or maybe you bought an EV, or maybe you started renting out a room in your home.
If all you have is a single W2 income; then by all means go to your local library, grab a 1040-EZ form, fill it out, and drop it in the mail. Will probably only take you 10 minutes or less.
In all but the most niche cases, they do in fact know that you had a kid. That being said, most things they have a pretty good idea about (or could) and they could easily adopt the system that they do in a lot of other countries where the government sends to a tax form all filled out that says, “we think you owe this much.” Then you just provide the exemptions you listed.
This would save a considerable amount of time when I file my taxes by just being able to double check they got cost basis correct on stocks sold and applied appropriate credits for mortgage interest and what not.
In all but the most niche cases, they do in fact know that you had a kid.
How would the IRS know that? The only way I could think of would be the Social Security department sharing the information with the IRS; and are they legally allowed to do that? But let's even say that's true; if the parents aren't married and filing jointly, who gets to claim the child as a dependent? That's a decision made by the parents (or local courts in case of custody battles), so not something the IRS would decide.
Basically what it seems to boil down to is that filing taxes is complicated because the tax law is complicated.
I was assuming social security could share that information since now there’s a new taxable citizen. The IRS could easily prepare tax amounts assuming married filing jointly, married filing separately, and single. You would just choose one. And like it currently is, if both people attempt to claim dependency, someone gets slapped with a fine.
Tax law is absolutely complicated, and I definitely won’t deny that, but the IRS can make things easier and could do the basic filings.
They don't share that information unless absolutely necessary. All government agencies hold their cards pretty close to themselves for legal and liability reasons. The IRS will complain that you've both claimed a dependent because you have to include that dependent's information and they can tell when you both try to claim the same one
You seem to have a very optimistic view of the efficiency of governments. I mean the IRS is basically running on a budget of table scraps after being defunded for decades.
Every large organization, private or public, that I've interacted has been basically just a bunch of different people in many different silos. I'm surprised to see so many people have this "well oiled machine" perspective of the government where apparently it is all seeing and all knowing.
Sure, that would be simple enough for them to mail you a letter with like "we're aware of these incomes from these employers" and any failure to file additional income on your part makes you liable. And of course not filing to claim any credits/deductions on your part just screws your out of your own money.
But then that also assumes the IRS knows your address. Does your employer even report your address when your taxes are withheld from your paycheck? And what if you move in the time between then?
I would be very surprised if they didn't know the address of every taxpayer, and I do believe it's reported by the companies you work for. If you move, you can fill out a change of address form with the postal service today, which makes the new address generally available. If they really don't have any way of knowing currently, it would be worth every penny of my taxes to just make an online portal available where you can enter that information yourself.
I feel like that's a hard one. Whenever I argue against tipping with coworkers (we don't currently work in the service industry) they will mention how they are all for it and mention how during peak times they made double their usual amount. I feel like it's really been drilled in that it's good for the workers
That element of it — when the restaurant is doing well, the windfall is shared with the waitstaff — could be preserved by simply giving the staff a percentage of the price of each meal they work on. Structure it as a bonus, the way salaried professionals can receive a bonus when the company is doing well.
It may be worth noting that worker-owned restaurants, like Cheese Board Pizza here in Berkeley, typically do not solicit tips. (Well, except for the live musicians, who are not worker-owners.) If tipping was really all that great for the workers, then places where the workers literally control company policy would encourage it.
It is not illegal for owners or managers to receive tips for work they perform. If the manager is waiting a table, they can receive that table's tips.
Where the restaurant is owned by the workers, an individual worker-owner will still collect the tips for the work they perform. An owner who is not working that day has no claim to tips earned that day.
Are you sure? Even when I've been at places where the owner works, those owners haven't taken tips, instead splitting any they receive among the other staff.
Employers, managers, and supervisors may not keep any portion of the employee's tips, and may not participate in a tip pool. But yes, they can certainly accept their own tips.
Consider a small, mom-and-pop diner. Pop cooks, mom serves. They co-own the diner. They can certainly accept tips.
Hiring a part-time busboy as a worker doesn't mean that he automatically earns all tips received during his shift. Mom still gets to collect tips for serving, pop still gets to collect tips for cooking. They don't get to receive tips in their managerial capacity, only in their capacity as workers.
It is important to note: A traditional owner/manager only performs managerial work. This is the kind of scenario we are usually talking about when we hear about scummy managers stealing tips, but it is not the kind of scenario we are talking about here.
We are considering a restaurant that is owned by the workers. We are talking about a mom-and-pop diner with a whole lot of moms and pops doing the work.
In Norway, restaurants started to implement applications or websites to order at the restaurant. Scan a QR code or download an app (yuck) to order the food and preemptively pay for it. While that might be fine, I find it really strange when I'm asked about tipping when I place my order. I have literally not seen a waiter, I have just sat down and looked through a website, and now I'm asked if I want to tip? Why? What for?
Luckily, 0% tip is very common in all services in Norway, so it's not considered rude to refrain from tipping.
Over-reliance on proprietary, closed-source products and services from megacorporations.
For instance, it's really absurd that people in many parts of the world cannot function without WhatsApp, they can't even imagine a life without it. It seems absurd that Meta literally has them by the balls, and these people can't do anything about it.
Also the people who base their entire careers on say Adobe or Microsoft products, they're literally having their lives dictated by one giant corporation, which is very depressing and dystopian.
It seems absurd that Meta literally has them by the balls, and these people can't do anything about it.
I don't get this sentiment. If anything happens to WhatsApp, they'll just switch to another IM. WhatsApp wasn't the first to come along, and won't be the last. How exactly does Meta have them by the balls?
In some of those countries, it's not really a choice. Like, WhatsApp is the only way of contacting a company's customer care (via chat bots that run on it), colleges and universities may have study groups on it and teachers may hand out notes etc in those groups, also apparently it's also the only way to contact even some government agencies.
I know, I'm from those countries. Like I said, we used other IM apps before WhatsApp came along, and if something changes we can use a new app. WhatsApp currently leads the market due to the network effect, but it doesn't have us 'by the balls'.
(Though the most likely successor would be WeChat, which is arguably much much worse in many ways)
Do you require WhatsApp to contact certain government agencies? Do you require WhatsApp to get access to customer support? Do you require WhatsApp to get access to lecture notes? No? Then you're not from one of those countries.
I suppose that depends on your definition of by the balls. Like I said, it's not difficult for everybody to switch if they piss everyone off. On average people here have 2-3 IMs installed.
Yes, they currently have the market share, and network effect keeps them there. Nevertheless, my point was it's not a monopoly, so how does Meta have everybody 'by the balls"?
Network effect might as well be a monopoly until the network kills itself.
I take issue with the concept of one company owning an entire communications network in the first place. Federation is a step in the right direction but it's not enough yet.
WhatsApp can and will get away with a lot before it drives users to a mass exodus, when messaging should have just been an open protocol from the start.
I was there. It was fine. You didn't need phones to be able to function in a society. Phones were something like an optional convenience that you had only at fixed places, like your home or office. If you were out and about, you typically didn't have access to a phone, unless you were in the vicinity of a payphone, so you weren't expected to be available on phone. Whereas in the countries where Meta has monopoly over, everyone expects you to be on WhatsApp, and you don't really get a choice in the matter.
Whatsapp is just a text service that gained popularity because it bypassed expensive text messaging rates, and it's superior to SMS in most ways anyways. If meta starts charging people will go somewhere else. It's odd to hear this take that people are somehow dependant on it. It's more replaceable than a pair of shoes.
That may be the case where you and I live perhaps, but these countries that I speak of, have an entire ecosystem built around WhatsApp. Many companies there no longer provide a customer support number that you can call for instance, they expect you to interact with a bot run on WhatsApp, which can further lead to chatting with an actual agent speaking to them, but that's all done via WhatsApp. Also many teachers in schools and universities share lecture notes and study material via WhatsApp groups. Doctors and medical labs may share electronic copies of your reports via it. Some restaurants accept reservation requests solely via WhatsApp. It can even handle payments now, and besides using it as a means to send money to someone, some companies have even built entire e-commerce platforms around it, using interactive bots and the payment features. So for you and I, WhatsApp may be just another messaging service, but in these countries WhatsApp is quickly turning into an "everything" platform, and it's not trivial for someone to just replace it, unless they want to go live in a cave and cut themselves off from modern society.
There are plenty of free and open source messaging alternatives, they just don't have the branding money to make sure a user base appears. To some degree the people using the apps are choosing the proprietary option.
We collectively need to be doing more to support and promote free open source software to avoid this issue. Secure peer to peer communication protocols should be more more ubiquitous than even http.
I can happily live with any IM software, just happens that WA got on the market earlier and everyone else uses it. Me taking a stand by only using telegram does no good if I have no one to talk to.
My wife spent no less than 5 hours on the phone with just as many groups of people to organize a blood draw that took a grand total of three actual minutes.
Edit: we have built a world where we measure success by money. This has meant we are all in pursuit of it all the time, even if we don't want to be. The rich get richer by driving us to do more with less, which marginalizes those who cannot be a productive part of that. We supress our compassion because it isn't making money. People suffer. Those of us who can contribute subject ourselves to a different kind of stress so we can enjoy a few hours of leisure here and there but we never really are free of the shackles of our employer. If you advance to a management position you are forced to evaluate and possibly fire people you could be friends with. When hiring you are evaluating how well people bend the knee. It's not a great world we've made for ourselves.
For me it's that for a culture that fetishizes "freedom" we sure are fucking willing to accept a reality where we have to give it up for most of our waking life just to be able to live and provide for our families. Once you see it, you can't unsee it.
Yeah, it would be more correct to say "work for others to live" is absurd.
People always had to do some work to survive, but in a world were all the land is owned, if you are one of the majority which is born landless you generaly can't work for yourself (even to open your own business you need starting money) just enough to live by with (say, build your own house and do subsistence farming), so unless mommy and daddy have lots of dosh you're going to have to work for others within the constraints of the existing system (or become a criminal, in which case the system will punish you) and unlike when just working to provide to yourself, working in this system means competing with everybody else - and were, again, how much support mommy and daddy can give you makes a massive difference - to such a level that you have to run just to stand still.
Compared to plain old subsistence farming the whole way work is done in the current system is absurd, mainly because it has to produce way more than what is actually needed to provide for all, since a tiny slice of the population are massive money hoarders leeching out of the rest so tons of extra wealth has to be created just for them.
Whatever the optimal system is for "the greatest good for the greatest number" (which would be more than just everybody doing subsistence farming), mathematically it's clear it can't be one were some people have control over billions of times more resources than others.
So tired of being here in the states where people think you need a car, like it's required to live. It's only needed because we allow our infrastructure to be so lacking that we depend on cars. There are places both built up and as rural as the states where they don't need cars, where driving for 3 hours for a road trip is considered ludicrous.
I use a car about 4 times a month. On those 4 occasions I need that car. When buying my house I considered some extra criteria like proximity to a bus stop, train station and a good cycleable connection to daily goods stores. Even 10 years ago that caused my house being 15 to 30% more expensive as houses in different areas.
I am lucky to be able to afford such a thing but now I don't own a car for about 4 years and the cost of owning and maintaining a car seems to be far more expensive than the extra I had to invest in my house. Cars have become a lot more expensive while inflation made it easier to do the downpayments on my house.
Yup in the same boat, and I'm baffled that you get a downvote for this very mild opinion lol, shows the weird car focused culture we have, that someone telling us how they like living without a car is worth downvoting.
I choose my home on walkability and ease of access. I'm "lucky" that in the states I have a coffee shop and a few restaurants that I can walk to, and a bus stop a block away. We aren't at the "No cars" yet unfortunately, I'm in Seattle and while it's easy to go a lot of places without a car, unfortunately the surrounding area is very car centric. But, we are moving towards being a one car household
It's not even a mild opinion, it's a reality that more and more of my friends are living in. I'm in my mid 40's so it's not that it has anything to do with strong opinions, it just makes sense.
9 years ago we bought an electrified cargo bike. That was the first step in realizing we don't really need a car. I just added it all up and it made sense.
Well good luck making them change that In the meantime, I'm using my car so it doesn't take 2 hours to walk to the grocery store and only bring back what I can carry.
No one is saying you can't if you don't have access, we're saying it's ridiculous that we don't have actual decent transit infrastructure. You should use your car if it's the only option, but it's ridiculous that it is the only option.
If you think about it, they're absurd. To go buy some groceries, someone has to use enough power to move a ton of metal, plastic and rubber around.
People don't notice the absurdity because gas is so incredibly cheap, but gas is only so incredibly cheap because we're not paying for the long-term consequences of burning it, only the short-term costs of getting it out of the ground and refining it.
Once got in a conversation about nuclear power that hit the point of "Yes nuclear is safer and more efficient but what about the jobs of the coal employees? Do you want them all to starve?"
Took a while to digest because there's a lot of normalization surrounding it, but after a while I realized what I had been told was:
"We have to intentionally gimp our efficiency in both energy production and pollution generation in order to preserve a harder, more costly industry, because otherwise people wouldn't have a task that they need to do in order to feed themselves."
Kinda disillusioned me with the underpinnings of capitalism, just how backwards it was to have to think this way. We can't justify letting people live unless they're necessary to society in some way - which might've made solid sense in older, very very different times in human history, but now means that so much of our culture is tied up in finding more excuses to make people do work that isn't really necessary at all.
New innovations happen, and tasks are made easier, and that doesn't actually save anyone any work, because everyone still has to put in 40 hours a week. New tech lets you do it in 10 hours? Whoops, actually that means that you're out of a job, replaced with an intern or something. Making "life" easier makes individual lives harder, what the fuck? That isn't how things should be at all!
Not exactly an easy situation to crack, but to circle back to the point of the thread - I hate how normal it is to argue on the basis that we need to create jobs, everywhere, all the time. I wish we'd have a situation where people can brag for political clout about destroying jobs instead, about reducing the amount of work people need to do to live and live comfortably, instead of trying to enforce this system where efficiency means making people obsolete means making people starve.
Woa there comrade. Trying to build a world where extracting value from labor isn't they ultimate goal? You'll never be a disillusional billionaire wannabe grinding your youth and passion into the labor that powers the elite classes whims with that attitude. Don't you want to see Jeff Bezos sorta go to space? That can't happen with spreading the wealth. Stay hungry my friend.
That's fun to say but not really a reflection of reality, factories full of machine operators don't exist like they used to - my parents talk about what would be like when the local factory day ended and everyone would flood the streets, fill the bars and everyone would be in their overalls... They actually still make the same product in a slightly different location, only about fifty people work there but they produce far more units.
It's the same in every industry, and all the extra profits are going into the pockets of the owners who live increasingly luxurious lifestyles. If the huge efficiency gains we've seen in recent decades were used to benefit society then we'd be living far better lives, but they're being used to buy absurdly over priced art to hang in super yachts and show off to their rich buddies.
Despite the Capitol's riot, a survey showed 1/3 of Americans thought Biden's presidency was illegitimate. The conservatives see the lawsuits as political prosecutions.
I'd say unless the non-trump voters come out to vote in a historical number like the last election, he stands a good chance of becoming a president again. And a number of states have passed laws that would make it harder for some subsets of voters to vote.
To some degree literally all of it. My monkey brain was designed to handle at most 150 people, wandering around all day searching for food, unprocessed food, using my body, having a close community I trust, relationship with nature, extreme knowledge of a small amount of things, and an uninterrupted sleep cycle powered by the son.
In a way it designed itself over time. I am a collection of accidentally acquired traits that happened to survive more often in the world that used to be. Mercifully it appears that I am somewhat adept at living in this world, but damn does it feel like I am a fish out of water being in this world.
we anthropomorphise and infantilise our pets, yet boast about the animals we eat who've had legit insanity level cruel lives thanks to our systems.
[ not saying fussing over your pets is bad, i love it too, just the contrast is whiplash++ ]
lack of body autonomy
hint: most lqbqtia rights, reproductive rights, medical/medication rights, are all the SAME RIGHT:
yourbody, yourchoice.
it is constantly under attack, and diffused into separate arguments when its the oneright effecting all these issues.
newsflash: when it comes to my body, your unwelcome opinion, religious or otherwise, ain't worth the air its vibrating through.
slippery slope gatekeeping laws
making harmless x illegal because a subset of x might lead to harmful y.
if y is bad, then enforce your ban on y, and fuckoff trying to use it as an excuse to control x₀, x₁, x₂ etc.
"Your body, your choice" has a limit once a super dangerous pathogen shows up and people start refusing the best tool we have to stop it for increasingly batshit reasons.
If you choose not to vaccinate, you're directly putting everyone else you interact with at risk. So there's a limit
Eh, "your body, your choice" still holds. The rest of us just also get to use our bodily autonomy to say "fine, but stay away from society". Go live in the wilderness and avoid the 5Gs or whatever as you die of a stubbed toe because of your choices.
when anything is that important, the medicine must be opensourced ^1^.
if so, and it's handled correctly, you can still have body autonomy in those situations due to the resulting freedoms - much akin in nature to the software foss freedoms we all cherish. and in that sense, would not be a limit of “Your body, your choice". while still maintaining, if not increasing, the public protection to such threats.
it was really refreshing to see some discussion in public health policy from some very smart and relevant people for opensourcing those medications. unsurprisingly it was swiftly shot down, but it was nice to at least see it taking place - which is a small positive change.
^1^ naturally we decouple authentication and traceability from commercial interests. and ofc it does not mean noone gets paid
It should still be a personal choice. Someone else isn't really putting you at any more risk if you've been vaccinated as it doesn't stop you carrying a virus just aliveates the symptoms. It just means they're more likely to be laid up for a week where as you shrug it off.
There is no limit. Even in those cases they could be treated without vaccination. And the unvaccinated could be banned from spaces where they would be a danger. I mean come on, you're not even liberal? This is a super basic liberal principle baked into our society snd you just... disagree with it.
The current work week, there is no need for it to be that long with the advances in technology. Capitalism, its a pyramid scheme that is unsustainable.
I am noticeably more efficient on 4 day weeks, it just doesn't feel like a grind as much as the 5 day week. 5 day weeks I'll get bored, stare at the clock, and just want to be over. 4 day weeks I actually feel rejuvenated after the weekend and I'm ready to come back. We really need to rethink that
Interestingly about 100 years ago it used to be the reverse. Pink was seen as a masculine colour while blue was considered feminine. Goes to show how arbitrary a lot of the gender norm rules are.
Not very long till a nerd shows up. My favorite is that FDR wore gender neutral clothes, including dresses, and did not get his hair cut till he was 7. A bizarrely more progressive past activity.
My 5 year old son LOVES pink and purple. Anytime he can find anything on those colors he's all in. He picked out a pink crayon box and purple lunch box for Kindergarten here soon and my mom (who was taking him shopping) called me to make sure I was OK with him picking those.
"Yes mom, I don't care if he picks out things in his favorite colors." 🙄
Even worse, watering lawns. Not only in many places there is water restriction during the summer season and people watering their lawn do-it illegally, but the only consequences is that you have to mow-it more often. If you want to have green-grass, go to Britain or Netherlands where it's always raining and stop living around the Mediterranean
Can confirm. Endless rain this summer in the UK. No grass watering required (not that it is ever required...). Didn't stop my neighbour watering on the few sunny weeks we've had...
A lot of communities are seeing people install fake grass. Also, rock gardens or gravel lawns are an option. If you want green and natural, clover is a good ground cover that doesn't grow too tall.
Rock is what I was trying to avoid for easy walking on. I really like the idea of clover though. Our yard is already about a third clover, so makes sense to do it fully.
Some oppressors (indirectly, but essentially) started drawing lines one day and agreed that they would each get to farm the humans in their own territory.
Control goes back further than just territories to tribes. The tribe identity is only later tied to specific locations. Tribes formed because pooling resources burdens and learning was more efficient than doing it all yourself. From there, the tribes expanded and joined together and eventually settled into one location. So I disagree that oppressors just decided one day.
This was the case before countries existed. The territories used to be limited to how far the human cattle could walk, be productive and walk back home in day.
Freedom is only possible where the possibility of encountering other humans is negligible.
Whenever humans aglomerate, non productive humans require handouts to live. If they do not receive then they die. If they don't want to die, they will steal. If the other humans resist, there will be a struggle and whoever wins becomes the state.
I think keeping population below 1 per square kilometer and spread out is the best solution to the state predation problem.
Whenever humans aglomerate, non productive humans require handouts to live. If they do not receive then they die. If they don’t want to die, they will steal.
Copyright by and large needs to be abolished. Patents in software are nonsensical, and elsewhere they should be drastically scaled back. Trademark is alright, with a few adjustments needed.
But all of the above is hiding behind a concept of "property" that just does not apply to intangible things, and we need to stop using that term to describe them.
I'm amenable to the idea of getting first dibs on an idea you came up with (software, hardware, fiction...), but it's been clearly abused to an insane degree by corporations who want to make a quick buck.
Yes, there are some theories why copyrights or trademarks might be good ideas.
Trademarks, for example, allow a company with a good reputation to avoid having their reputation be tarnished by someone imitating them but using lower quality goods. That seems reasonable. But, they're often abused so that a company can use their trademark to avoid having someone criticize them.
Copyright is the ridiculous one. Ok, maybe there's some bargain to be struck here. Maybe it actually does incentivize someone to create a work of art if they know they can control it for a short time. And, maybe the public benefits from that because that thing gets made, and (just as importantly) becomes part of the public domain in a reasonable time.
But, copyrights lasting a century? That's absurd. That slows down progress because it locks things out of the public domain until a point where they're no longer relevant. It disincentivize someone from creating something new, when they know they can milk the old one for decades instead.
Importantly though, none of these things is necessary for progress. The sistine chapel was painted without the benefit of copyright. AFAIK, there was no patent for the printing press. And the first things printed on it weren't protected by copyright.
Positive attitude towards billionaire philanthropists. First, they made a fortune on the result of labor alienated from workers, then they threw a pitch and became good guys
That few countries take a person's wealth and income into account when fining them for breaking laws. I see examples like these and wish this were the norm everywhere.
From what I recall, the places that do this usually do it in the form of days of income. I'm not sure how they determine that if someone's money comes from investments, etc.
True. So I wonder how is it that some European countries that do this got around that obstacle. I guess that's what happens when you have an equitable society in place?
My current favorite is the federal reserve making policy to intentionally weaken the labor market. I am currently paying the fuckwads scheming to keep labor weak, docile, and dependent. What a blast.
Raising interest rates to fight inflation works by reducing demand. Jobs get lost so people have less money. So they spend less, so prices drop to be more competitive.
Only poorer people obviously. Rich people are less affected, but still pay more in interest. The increased number of unemployed people means competition for jobs is higher so workers are cheaper to pay, increasing profits again.
High inflation is bad for everyone, but particularly so for the poorer, too. However, measures to fight it should be spread across society. Instead blunt tools like interest rate rises disproportionately affect the poor. They should be combined with higher taxes on business and high earners and high net worth individuals. Worldwide we only really do the first. I wonder who decides?
Especially because, as far as I can see, inflation isn't being caused by demand for necessaries. And, these days, an increasing number of people are pretty much only able to afford the basics necessities (if even that) did to talk terms pay cuts as a result of inflation.
It mostly works by forcing companies to pay back their loans rather than keeping them indefinitely, which pulls excess money out of the economy instead of it circulating continuously. When interest rates were near zero and the reserve requirement was dropped for banks, a shitload of this lending was done multiple times, so they're hoping to effectively claw that back
Mainly just my absolute shock at the openness of saying "We really need to see a weaker labor market." Seriously??? That is where we are at now. The complete and transparent assault on the worker by people I personally fund. Outrageous! At least lie to me about your motives like I might have a modicum of power over you. Now you just tell me to eat shit and die right to my face.
This is the thread that made me make an account and what a pain it was to find without having saved it anywhere. I've been holding out for someone to say it, but havwn't seen it specifically.
Single use plastics. I still remember the weird feeling of doom when learning the world population and making the quick relation to disposable plastics, constantly being told "but it's only a little bit." A little bit for several thousand years, per billions, is too many bits.
will it now? until we actually see one, we'll never know. we don't live in a free market, and never have. they rig the shit out of it with eg. drm and region locks, and then gaslight us that its free & balanced. lol.
eg.2 "democracy is the best we have"
same as above, when i see a true democracy i'll let you know.
caveat: unsure of your exact country's situation, but when was the last time you consistently voted on what youwanttohappen, rather than who will fail to implement their election promises (with 0.0% accountability btw).
also, friendly reminder: mostly the "who", you can vote for was already chosen in a private vote by the political parties, before they even pretended to care about our opinion. lol.
strawman public discourse
arguing in the media over the wrong points in an issue to keep public discourse on a 'lively' treadmill
eg.1
Q: Is climate change human caused?
A: Doesn't change the issue: stop poisoning the water, air and soil - we need them to live. duh.
eg.2
Q: Is being lgbqta a choice?
A: Doesn't change the issue: if its not a choice they can't control it, leave these people alone. if it is a choice, its a free country, leave these people alone.
edit: if you disagree with any of the above, please expand, i'm open to a new perspective.
The basic unit of production, where capital meets labour to produce goods and services, is the capitalist firm. And every profit-maximising firm is owned by a private capital.
Capitalists extract profits from firms. They can spend only a fraction of their profits on luxury consumption. Because if the rich spent all their profit on luxuries their capital will rapidly diminish and expire, compared to competing capitals who invest their profit in further profitable activities. Profit income must be reinvested in order to make more profit. This is the prime directive for anyone who possesses a capital sum of money.
Owners of capital — that is capitalists — can’t put all their eggs in one basket. That’s too risky because firms can go under, or assets that store value might depreciate. So capitalists spread their risk by owning a portfolio of investments with different risk profiles.
A typical portfolio will consist of cash held in different sovereign currencies, government, municipal and corporate bonds, shares in different companies, from risky start-ups to blue chips, and all kinds of income-producing assets, such as land and housing. Basically anything that might yield a higher than average return.
Each individual capital must aim to maximise the return over its portfolio. If it fails it will diminish in size relative to other capitals, and eventually cease being a capital at all.
And it’s right here that we again find the causal structure of a feedback control system. An individual capital — when we consider it as a social practice mediated by a privately owned large sum of money — also has its own goal state, sensory inputs, decision making, and ability to act upon the world in which it is embedded.
Let’s take each of these in turn. (i) The goal of an individual capital is to maximise the average return from every dollar (or pound) invested. (ii) The “sensory inputs” are the different profit-rates earned across the portfolio. (iii) The capitalist, or the financial experts they employ, compare the different profit-rates, and (iv) the feedback loop is closed by actions that withdraw capital from poorly performing investments, and inject capital into high performing investments.
This control loop manifests as an insatiable and ceaseless search for high returns.
Capital doesn’t care how its money is actually used in production. It entirely abstracts from all concrete activities. The only thing it can sense, compare and use is abstract value.
So the commanding heights of the global economy consists of an enormous ensemble of individual capitals, each manically scrambling for profit, reacting to the signals of differential returns received from its tendrils that extend to every productive activity under its rule, continually injecting and withdrawing capital to and from different industrial sectors and geographical regions. The entirety of the world’s material resources, including the working time of billions of people, are repeatedly marshalled and re-marshalled away from low and towards high-profit activities. In the space of months, entire industrial sectors may be raised up, relocated, or thrown down.
Capitalists are possessed, mere machine components of capital.
What about the individual people who participate in this social practice? Surely their individual consciousness, their ideas, and their behaviour matter, and make a difference?
To a certain extent they do of course. But individuals come and go, but capitals live much longer than any individual human. The people controlled by the capital — that is the workers that supply labour to firms, and capitalists that exploit them and extract profits — are mere replaceable components in the control loop, mechanically performing prescribed functional roles.
For example, Marx writes in Capital, that:
“to classical economy, the proletarian is but a machine for the production of surplus-value; on the other hand, the capitalist is in its eyes only a machine for the conversion of this surplus-value into additional capital.”
We often say that a capitalist possesses capital. But it is more accurate to say that capital possesses them. Capitalists are the human face of an inhuman intelligence with its own logic and its own goals.
“In bourgeois society capital is independent and has individuality, while the living person is dependent and has no individuality” (Communist Manifesto).
Bigger capitals enjoy the advantage of larger portfolios, which spreads risk. In consequence, capital tends to concentrate in a few hands. So we find a large number of small capitals, and a very small number of astronomically large capitals, which earn profits that dwarf the GDP of many nation states. The scale and power of some capitals is truly titanic.
And these titans are so much in control, that they are out of control. Again, a quote from the Communist Manifesto:
“Modern bourgeois society, with its relations of production, of exchange and of property, a society that has conjured up such gigantic means of production and of exchange, is like the sorcerer who is no longer able to control the powers of the nether world whom he has called up by his spells.”
Every day millions of workers, around the globe, have no choice but to sacrifice their time, and their vitality, to produce new profit for the autonomous controllers. No matter how hard, long or efficiently we work, the imperative to work remains.
Why? Because every labour-saving technical innovation takes the form of profit, which is then captured by individual capitals, and immediately re-injected into the material world to animate new activities for further profit. This is why, despite huge advances in automation, the working day remains as long as ever.
Take another example: the logic of capital demands maximum profit extraction from firms, and that means minimising wages. Those possessed by capital live an exalted existence. But the world’s dispossessed must feed, clothe and maintain a home with an average income of about 7 pounds a day.
Another example: it’s better to be exploited than not exploited. We are subject to the whims of the business cycle and periodic crises of accumulation. Recessions regularly throw large numbers of people out of work, through no fault of their own. Suddenly bills can’t be paid. Families are thrown onto the street, as happened in the US during the 2008 mortgage crisis, and is happening again now.
Why? Because individual capitals are almost blind. They see only differential returns across their portfolios. And returns may be good even if unemployment is high, or human misery spills onto the streets. Capital does not care.
Another example: capital deals in abstract value, and things that are not owned, which aren’t bought and sold, therefore have no value to it at all. So the material wealth of nature — the land, the oceans, and the atmosphere — is relentlessly plundered without any regard for the consequences.
Capital destroys us, and the environment. The endless production and profit-making cannot stop, because each individual capital must compete to survive. Marx summarised the prime directive of capital as:
“Accumulate, accumulate! … reconvert the greatest possible portion of surplus-value … into capital! Accumulation for accumulation’s sake, production for production’s sake: by this formula classical economy expressed the historical mission of the bourgeoisie”.
So all the autonomous control loops have the single-minded goal of extracting profit from the world’s activities. If an activity fails to satisfy this goal, then the controller withdraws its capital, and the activity stops.
So at the apex of the economy we have a competing collection of identical controllers — with an atavistic, low level of demonic intelligence — which inject and withdraw a social substance that appears to possess the magical power of animation, of bringing things alive, of creation; but also appears to possess the power of annihilation, of suffocation, of bringing things to an end, of destruction.
We are definitely not in control. And something else definitely is in control.
So what are we really talking about now?
We’re saying that a new kind of supra-individual control system emerged, quite spontaneously, from our own social intercourse, and then — in a very real sense — has taken on a life of its own, turned around, and started controlling us.
Capital in a scientific, not a metaphorical sense, is a control system. And it is capital, as a control system, that ultimately creates and maintains the abstraction we call exchange-value. Capital is the abstractor.
I feel compelled to point the author is hardly unbiased.
No author is unbiased. If you think they're unbiased it's just their biases are the same as yours or those of the status quo (whatever you might consider that to be).
I just don’t have it in me to accept anything at face value because someone says so.
Thankfully, you don't have to! You have a brain in your head, so you can read the arguments being made, think about them, and critically evaluate them. You can try to come up with counter-arguments, or failing that, look around for counter-arguments other people have made and critically evaluate those too.
The commenter above gave you sources for the quotes, so you can find copies of them and read the complete argument being made in those works.
Very simply: how can it be fair that someone who contributes nothing to the process profits from my labour?
I am the skilled craftsperson who produces furniture. And yet someone takes from me the profit of my work. Beyond the cost of materials, workshop, arranging buyers etc.
After all those costs are accounted for there is still someone else who captures most of the profit instead of me. How is that not absurd?
The fact that we live in a land of plenty but people die due to malnutrition or lack of access to healthcare because it's not profitable is pretty damning.
Capitalism is like a rabid dog. It has its uses, but you don't just let it roam freely, you keep it on a tight leash.
It's really not. Sealioning involves inserting oneself uninvited into a discussion, e.g. an anti-feminist showing up in a feminist forum to demand that participants defend feminism from junk challenges.
I see you ignored the other comments in the subthread. Someone did provide an extremely thorough answer which the commenter dismissed as not believing the author was credible...rather than exploring the numerous valid claims and arguments. My comment was not only a perfect description of what was happening, but also turned out to be prophetic about what would happen next. Their original challenge was not in good faith and was intentionally designed to cause someone to have to go out and do a ton of work only to be dismissed.
if someone makes a one word comment, they're unlikely to want to write you a research paper justifying it. but i'll give it a li'l go.
the whole core concept of capitalism is that some few people 'own' the ovens, and they get to tell other people to bake cookies, and even though these cookie-bakers bake all of the cookies, the oven-owners get to keep most of them, and the cookie bakers only get a small portion. also there aren't any ovens that aren't 'owned' by an oven-owner, so if you wanna eat cookies, you have to give most of the cookies you bake to an oven-owner. and this model is extended to everything.
i don't know that this allegory will mean anything to you, and maybe you think of something different when you hear 'capitalism' (maybe you think of 'markets', or 'money', or, i don't know, just seeing benefits from ones own hard work or something), but this is basically the usual meaning of capitalism, and probably what most people who oppose it, myself included, are talking about. there are a lot of other criticisms, of course, but that core scammy unfairness of it, i think, is most absurd.
Tobacco smoking, at least cigarettes, is quickly becoming de-normalized in some countries. In New Zealand they did a ban with current smokers grandfathered in essentially. In the US, there is more and more hostility to smoking.
People will cough and act dramatic when you smoke outside, you can't smoke inside of anywhere but bars anymore (and only some bars at that). Smoking is seen as low brow - typically mostly done by the lower rungs of society.
Zizek talks about this a bit and claims it's ideology. You are compelled to enjoy and be a hedonist - but never too much.
Personally, I quit smoking a long time ago but I think alcohol is much worse but doesn't get nearly the same treatment.
People can get sick from secondhand smoke. Yes, it's true that alcoholics can affect people around them, it's not as obvious as blowing smelly smoke in someone's face.
Typically only in cases where they are getting repeated exposure. For example children who live with parents who smoke inside. Someone breathing in cigarette smoke in passing in a well ventilated area is probably no more dangerous to their health than eating fast food or drinking soda.
I'm much more concerned with drunk driving and the thousands of annual deaths associated with that. Not to mention drunks beating their wives or getting into fights, etc
Smoking is bad, no doubt. But I really do think the societal rubberband snap is a strange effect we're having. Almost everyone used to smoke - now nobody does. It's very interesting.
Basically, we're in agreement. My point is that people see A blowing smoke into B's face and instantly notice it, while drunk driving deaths are a statistic they read about. It's not logical, but most human reactions aren't logical.
I'm not convinced the alcohol is the determining factor in shitheads being shitheads. Domestic abusers wouldn't disappear if alcohol did. Drunk driving, maybe, but it would be replaced with other substances or forms of negligence.
Drinking responsibly does have short term social and mental benefits when used responsibly, and less severe long-term health issues.
I'm not advocating for alcohol consumption by any means, but it seems obvious to me why it's viewed more positively than smoking. It helps people enjoy life. Smoking doesn't, really.
Alcohol causes increase of domestic violence. You're right in that there exists a certain number of shitheads regardless of alcohol. But alcohol reduces inhibitions. While sober, they may just yell at their wife. Drunk, they hit them. This is a well-studied effect.
And sure, alcohol can act as a social lubricant and the majority of people who use it don't commit violence.
But amplified over the whole population we're talking about tens of thousands if not hundreds of thousands of people affected by alcohol related abuse - depending how you define abuse.
As for positive from cigarettes, it can act as a mild antidepressant and mild stimulant. Helps you focus. Something like 80-90% of schizophrenics smoke. They think it's because it acts as sort of a self-medication.
It also helps during the process of quitting other substances. For example rehabs give away free cigarettes and vapes.
Having said all this, I'm not trying to start a crusade against alcohol. It's perfectly natural to use. And the government shouldn't ban it - that's stupid for a number of reasons. Philosophical to practical.
But I'm just saying people are very negative to smoking and positive to Marijuana and alcohol when statistically speaking alcohol does a lot more damage
Too true. That makes me worry about tobacco prohibition as well. And just when the world is starting to move on from cannabis prohibition, it seems like we really need to keep making this mistake eh
Im just happy some peoples dirty butts hasn't made direct contact with the seat im sitting in. Thats a good reason we have to wear clothes imho. Cleanliness and respect for sharing the world with others makes it okay to have rules about attire in public spaces.
But the whole showing skin being so goddamn taboo for real people, while at the same time near nudity and sexuality on publicly visible advertising boards is completely ok, thats a double standard I can't understand.
And the modern fear of showing non-sexual nudity to kids. Its very noticeable how bad an effect it have had on our society by now: Kids are hesitant to change and shower after gym. People don't undress and do a proper shower before entering public swimming pools.
The nudity taboo is a problem of sexist sexualisation and sexualised violence, among others.
Imagine being able to walk to the cafe with your friends in scorching heat without having to bother with constricting, sweaty and heavy clothing without being sexualised or ridiculed or attacked (things that also happen when clothed, btw).
My problem with smoking is 1. it's addictive so most people doing it don't even want to so banning it will only stop addiction and 2. second hand smoke
Yeah but my wife thinks it's mandatory to say, every single time, even if she is in the middle of saying something. And she thinks those rules should apply to everyone.
I like to make up words that sound German like "Gëschnörgenhünd" when people sneeze. If I get called on it by someone that speaks German, I just claim it's Old High German
Speed traps in the US. I had to explain to my son that the reason why we have to drive 45 mph for half a mile on an interstate is because there is a convenient side street in the middle of that stretch of road where the police can wait.
I actually appreciate cops keeping people to the speed limit. It is much safer for everyone.
Edit: While I appreciate cops doing this, I actually think it shouldn't be their job. We have meter readers handing out parking tickets. I think non LEO civil servants could issue citations for speeding too. That would free up cops to be arseholes somewhere else.
Sure, if the town didn't suddenly drop the speed limit for half a mile right as it goes around a curve that gives the cops a place to hide and give out $20 tickets with $200 court costs that people pay online. I don't know for a fact, but I'd bet money that the court costs go to the town (and from there to the police department), while the fine itself goes to the feds. An abrupt 45 mph zone on an interstate doesn't protect anyone, it lines the pockets of the police department that has jurisdiction. It's fucking predatory.
And I just don't understand how I can walk around so wrong that I end up in jail for trespassing, or vibrate my vocal cords in such a wrong way that I end up in prison for "trying to rob a bank." smh
Offices of all types (medical, billing, tech support, etc.) only doing business on a callback basis. Customers and clients are expected to be continuously available to receive a call at the office's convenience.
We have all become unwilling, unpaid, on-call employees of most every company we deal with.
Here’s a toxic and highly volatile liquid. Rather than transferring it in specialized canisters with safety seals, we just let you dump it out of a hose. There is absolutely no safety training on how to handle it, and all you need is some cash to obtain a lot of it. It’s something of a right of passage for children to dispense it for their parents.
And despite the fact that the vehicles that use it spend 90% of their time parked in one place, you can’t have it delivered to that place like you can with other utilities like water, electricity, and natural gas. You have to go to special stores and comparison shop.
And even the stores you buy it from have it delivered by truck. They don’t even get it piped in.
Oh, and even when used correctly, it'll kill you if you use it in an enclosed space.
And despite the fact that the vehicles that use it spend 90% of their time parked in one place, you can’t have it delivered to that place like you can with other utilities like water, electricity, and natural gas.
Thank god for that. Can you imagine how much polluted land and groundwater we'd have if we piped it around and it leaked like our water pipes do?
Oh for sure. This is something of a practiced rant I perform to promote electric vehicles. Petrol drivers are always asking about how long it takes to charge a vehicle at a charging station not realizing that their vehicle can charge while it sits dormant at home.
“How long does it take to charge your car?”
“I dunno, how long does it take to charge your phone?”
We're in a drought where I am and I still see boomer dudes going out and watering their lawns. So many more eco alternatives but they just think someone will judge them. No dude, we're judging you on the massive waste of water
The requirement for people to post their lives online, in the early days if the Internet the general rule was you don't post personal information online, now it's gone the complete opposite direction, I've met multiple people who write you of as "strange" just because they can't poke through your Facebook/Instagram/snapchat/twitter.
I don't keep social media accounts because it doesn't intrest me, and have been told multiple times that people don't trust me because I don't air out everything I think on an online platform.
In America, gaslighting by corporations and conservatives attempts to convince us that for profit healthcare is normal and fine. It’s ok for billionaires and huge corporations to get tax breaks and pay less or zero taxes because they “create jobs.” Businesses have the right to control elections with massive donations because…that’s free speech. Most rich people got that way by working hard…and anyone can do it. Immigrants are responsible for poor job markets and other economic woes.
Support for communism. People somehow manage to wildly exaggerate both the evils of capitalism and the benefits of communism, even though we have plenty of contemporary and historical examples to refer to.
There's a logical fallacy going on here that I don't know the name for, but basically: who says there needs to be any genocide? Why is genocide a constant present in all aspects of that spectrum?
The logical fallacy was committed by you when you equivocated with zero support, Communism and "The Free Market." The free market has never existed except as a thought experiment so that market economists can try to model what effects supply and demand would have on a frictionless market. It's equivalent to physics classes where you ignore air-resistance and friction. No one claims physics is a fairy-tale and it would be absurd to claim that market economics and physics are both fairy-tales for "exactly the same reason."
Communism on the other hand is a well-defined and studied economic system, and aspects of that economic system exist in every country on earth.
Well you're either claiming capitalism or communism has no history of genocide. I'm too tired to dig through your word salad to try and figure out which. Either way, you're hilariously wrong.
I didn't say anything about support anything, I was commenting on the fact that your comment has in it the inherit assumption that no matter what there's going to be genocide and that somehow the middle road was just a little genocide.
There are a lot of people on the same side when it comes to workers rights and freedom from capitalist oppression, but my short time on lemmy has shown me that a LOT of communists are hostile to everyone that isn't 100% on board with Mao which leaves you pushing away potential allies.
No, we have historical examples of various X forms of Socialism that were supposed to be the intermediate state between capitalism and communism. All of the turned out to be authoritarian nightmares, but none of them actually made it to the communism stage of development.
Essentially truly supporting communism is merely saying we could be living in a post-scarcity state. The oligarchs ain't gonna let that happen though and their captive governments aren't about to let that happen though.
I propose that human greed leads to the corruption of both capitalist and communist systems in actual practice. The difference is that in capitalism, greed is publically encouraged and publically rewarded, while in communism, greed is publically discouraged and privately rewarded. Inequality is present in both practices ostensibly (with few historical exceptions). Whatever economic systems are implemented by humanity, some people are winners and some are losers.
The question of what system is best cannot be settled by only historical anecdotes. Historical record is too biased towards its own context, though we can look at patterns that have emerged through recorded history to try and achieve a more objective understanding; we have to examine a system as it exists right now. We must accept that no system will be exempt from human greed and focus our efforts on policies that fight against it wherever possible. This is not an enlightened centrist position; this is the position of someone who wants to maximize the number of societal winner and minimize the number of losers.
We agree about greed being unavoidable. The difference between the two systems is how you go about satisfying your desire to get ahead - under capitalism you acquire mainly through trade, providing goods and services to others (and sometimes through theft), while under communism your ability to engage in trade is severely restricted, leaving only the other options.
I am personally not for Communism still for Socialism that follows ideals of communism but solves Problems of it but its still gonna be way better than Capitalism
Just think of how many people through time, generation after generation, will have suddenly stopped, looked around and cried out "why the ever loving fuck are we doing this?!" just to be trampled into infinitely fine dust, into complete irrelevance, by the hooves of billions of stampeding wildebeest they were running aimlessly with
Governments fear mongering people into doing what they say. Shutting down people's lives from fear of death from Covid, a government sanctioned and authorized "pandemic". Now, it's normal for governments to dictate people's lives. Lame.
It is shortsighted and naive to think that following one avenue of progress is bad because we lag behind in other things. The amount of life saving and improving technologies that space travel has had a hand in might surprise you.
Must have been even more infuriating back when people could no longer do their hobbies because fast-moving, noisy, deadly pieces of metal got priority everywhere, owned by almost everyone, and roads and parkings carving up cities.
Why did we ever allow it to go this far? We should have made laws forbidding most cars inside cities. We could have focused more on public transport and kept streets walkable.
How taxes are dealt with in North America. Just send me how much I owe. Don't have me go through a service to figure it out
Exactly
You largely have intuit/turbotax/quickbooks/mailchimp/whatever other name they use for that process. Or at least the paying for it part
Intuit is the sole reason our taxes are so obtuse. They lobby for it to be this way.
Not the sole reason. They play a part, same with H&R Block, but it's more the people working for the ultra-wealthy who keep bribing politicians to create laws that allow their clients to avoid paying taxes. The companies that have tax software for the small people benefit from the tax system getting more complex, but they don't directly lobby for those rules, they just want any kind of complexity. Their big fight is against any kind of free tax preparation for the poor and middle class.
It's pretty disgusting what they do though. They make say $20 from someone filing their taxes. They take say $3 from that $20 and spend it to ensure that their customers are never offered a free alternative. They're basically making their customers pay to lobby the government to keep taxes so complex that the customer has no choice but to use them again next year.
That's absolutely not the case. They lobby to prevent the IRS making their own version of TurboTax, not lobbying to make the tax code more complex. Taxes are complex because we have little real oversight but a lot of deductions and credits. The IRS literally cannot track everything they offer deductions for, so it goes largely on the honor system until something seems fishy.
If you have a house, you have deductions. If you added solar to your house, you have deductions. If you bought an electric car or a hybrid, you had deductions for a while there. If you rent you have deductions in some states. You have to list your dependents for credits.
The IRS is incapable of tracking all of this.
But like I feel like this system of deduction taxes is more difficult than any other country and it reinforces the need for americans to use software or an accountant. Am I wrong? Are other countries putting up with this shit? The biden admin is the first in my lifetime to give us credits rather than a rebate or deductible.
That's... Not at all true. There has been a child tax credit for decades. EV credits have existed for quite some time.
And yeah, other countries have some, but iirc they do it because they already track everything for VAT purposes, so it's just an extension of that.
I should have used more precise language. There's so much jargon! https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_tax_credit_(United_States) To my understanding this is the first time it's ever been paid directly "in advance" rather than served as a credit against your tax payments, awarding money at the end of the year - or even worse when it was non-refundable. This in advance, far higher amount, fully refundable child tax credit is fucking radical compared to what we had and what we're going back to.
But that's only really makes sense in like the simplest of cases. The government doesn't know if you had a kid this year, or maybe you bought an EV, or maybe you started renting out a room in your home.
If all you have is a single W2 income; then by all means go to your local library, grab a 1040-EZ form, fill it out, and drop it in the mail. Will probably only take you 10 minutes or less.
In all but the most niche cases, they do in fact know that you had a kid. That being said, most things they have a pretty good idea about (or could) and they could easily adopt the system that they do in a lot of other countries where the government sends to a tax form all filled out that says, “we think you owe this much.” Then you just provide the exemptions you listed.
This would save a considerable amount of time when I file my taxes by just being able to double check they got cost basis correct on stocks sold and applied appropriate credits for mortgage interest and what not.
How would the IRS know that? The only way I could think of would be the Social Security department sharing the information with the IRS; and are they legally allowed to do that? But let's even say that's true; if the parents aren't married and filing jointly, who gets to claim the child as a dependent? That's a decision made by the parents (or local courts in case of custody battles), so not something the IRS would decide.
Basically what it seems to boil down to is that filing taxes is complicated because the tax law is complicated.
I was assuming social security could share that information since now there’s a new taxable citizen. The IRS could easily prepare tax amounts assuming married filing jointly, married filing separately, and single. You would just choose one. And like it currently is, if both people attempt to claim dependency, someone gets slapped with a fine.
Tax law is absolutely complicated, and I definitely won’t deny that, but the IRS can make things easier and could do the basic filings.
They don't share that information unless absolutely necessary. All government agencies hold their cards pretty close to themselves for legal and liability reasons. The IRS will complain that you've both claimed a dependent because you have to include that dependent's information and they can tell when you both try to claim the same one
HAHAHA yah, they don’t know those things about you…..sure……
You seem to have a very optimistic view of the efficiency of governments. I mean the IRS is basically running on a budget of table scraps after being defunded for decades.
It's not "governments", it's the "US government". Here in Europe, it just works.
It was more a statement about data mining. It’s cheap and easy and the government 100% does it
Maybe, and I really do mean maybe someone has a record somewhere that you have a child. That doesn't mean it is shared with the IRS.
That's my thinking.
Every large organization, private or public, that I've interacted has been basically just a bunch of different people in many different silos. I'm surprised to see so many people have this "well oiled machine" perspective of the government where apparently it is all seeing and all knowing.
So offer it for simple cases. If you don't like the way it's done, you can always go and do the simple process you're describing
Sure, that would be simple enough for them to mail you a letter with like "we're aware of these incomes from these employers" and any failure to file additional income on your part makes you liable. And of course not filing to claim any credits/deductions on your part just screws your out of your own money.
But then that also assumes the IRS knows your address. Does your employer even report your address when your taxes are withheld from your paycheck? And what if you move in the time between then?
I would be very surprised if they didn't know the address of every taxpayer, and I do believe it's reported by the companies you work for. If you move, you can fill out a change of address form with the postal service today, which makes the new address generally available. If they really don't have any way of knowing currently, it would be worth every penny of my taxes to just make an online portal available where you can enter that information yourself.
Pretty sure it was sarcasm.
They didn't have my new address until I filed my taxes with my new address.
Yes they do. See, scandinavian countries.
Okay but RIGHT NOW they don't know. Sure it's possible for them to track it, but they do not, and the infrastructure isn't set up to do that.
Okay. I concede to your point, Ithink you're more correct than I was.
Tipping.
I feel like that's a hard one. Whenever I argue against tipping with coworkers (we don't currently work in the service industry) they will mention how they are all for it and mention how during peak times they made double their usual amount. I feel like it's really been drilled in that it's good for the workers
That element of it — when the restaurant is doing well, the windfall is shared with the waitstaff — could be preserved by simply giving the staff a percentage of the price of each meal they work on. Structure it as a bonus, the way salaried professionals can receive a bonus when the company is doing well.
It may be worth noting that worker-owned restaurants, like Cheese Board Pizza here in Berkeley, typically do not solicit tips. (Well, except for the live musicians, who are not worker-owners.) If tipping was really all that great for the workers, then places where the workers literally control company policy would encourage it.
Not necessarily. I don't know about New York, but in Illinois it's illegal for owners or management to receive tips.
It is not illegal for owners or managers to receive tips for work they perform. If the manager is waiting a table, they can receive that table's tips.
Where the restaurant is owned by the workers, an individual worker-owner will still collect the tips for the work they perform. An owner who is not working that day has no claim to tips earned that day.
Are you sure? Even when I've been at places where the owner works, those owners haven't taken tips, instead splitting any they receive among the other staff.
Employers, managers, and supervisors may not keep any portion of the employee's tips, and may not participate in a tip pool. But yes, they can certainly accept their own tips.
Consider a small, mom-and-pop diner. Pop cooks, mom serves. They co-own the diner. They can certainly accept tips.
Hiring a part-time busboy as a worker doesn't mean that he automatically earns all tips received during his shift. Mom still gets to collect tips for serving, pop still gets to collect tips for cooking. They don't get to receive tips in their managerial capacity, only in their capacity as workers.
It is important to note: A traditional owner/manager only performs managerial work. This is the kind of scenario we are usually talking about when we hear about scummy managers stealing tips, but it is not the kind of scenario we are talking about here.
We are considering a restaurant that is owned by the workers. We are talking about a mom-and-pop diner with a whole lot of moms and pops doing the work.
Important distinction! All the places I worked where the owners also worked were pool houses, and as you said, owners can't take from a pool.
One of the best guys I ever worked for used to say, "Those are your tips. When the restaurant does well, that's my tip.".
Just another way to divide. Typically FOH staff get all or most of the share, while cooks get screwed, in my experience.
Tipping isn't an issue if it's a bonus from satisfied customers. The American system of it making up your minimum wage is nonsense.
In Norway, restaurants started to implement applications or websites to order at the restaurant. Scan a QR code or download an app (yuck) to order the food and preemptively pay for it. While that might be fine, I find it really strange when I'm asked about tipping when I place my order. I have literally not seen a waiter, I have just sat down and looked through a website, and now I'm asked if I want to tip? Why? What for?
Luckily, 0% tip is very common in all services in Norway, so it's not considered rude to refrain from tipping.
Over-reliance on proprietary, closed-source products and services from megacorporations.
For instance, it's really absurd that people in many parts of the world cannot function without WhatsApp, they can't even imagine a life without it. It seems absurd that Meta literally has them by the balls, and these people can't do anything about it.
Also the people who base their entire careers on say Adobe or Microsoft products, they're literally having their lives dictated by one giant corporation, which is very depressing and dystopian.
It’s worse in China. WeChat is EVERYTHING.
I don't get this sentiment. If anything happens to WhatsApp, they'll just switch to another IM. WhatsApp wasn't the first to come along, and won't be the last. How exactly does Meta have them by the balls?
In some of those countries, it's not really a choice. Like, WhatsApp is the only way of contacting a company's customer care (via chat bots that run on it), colleges and universities may have study groups on it and teachers may hand out notes etc in those groups, also apparently it's also the only way to contact even some government agencies.
I know, I'm from those countries. Like I said, we used other IM apps before WhatsApp came along, and if something changes we can use a new app. WhatsApp currently leads the market due to the network effect, but it doesn't have us 'by the balls'.
(Though the most likely successor would be WeChat, which is arguably much much worse in many ways)
Do you require WhatsApp to contact certain government agencies? Do you require WhatsApp to get access to customer support? Do you require WhatsApp to get access to lecture notes? No? Then you're not from one of those countries.
Yes, yes and yes. Yes I'm from one of those countries
Which means you can't really switch to other apps then, which means Meta has you by the balls.
I suppose that depends on your definition of by the balls. Like I said, it's not difficult for everybody to switch if they piss everyone off. On average people here have 2-3 IMs installed.
So many people use it, that the barrier to change to another application is high. They would need to fuck up on very large scale.
Yes, they currently have the market share, and network effect keeps them there. Nevertheless, my point was it's not a monopoly, so how does Meta have everybody 'by the balls"?
Network effect might as well be a monopoly until the network kills itself.
I take issue with the concept of one company owning an entire communications network in the first place. Federation is a step in the right direction but it's not enough yet.
It's an issue of userbase.
WhatsApp can and will get away with a lot before it drives users to a mass exodus, when messaging should have just been an open protocol from the start.
Talk to some older folks about what it was like when there was only one phone company and the alternative was snail mail.
I was there. It was fine. You didn't need phones to be able to function in a society. Phones were something like an optional convenience that you had only at fixed places, like your home or office. If you were out and about, you typically didn't have access to a phone, unless you were in the vicinity of a payphone, so you weren't expected to be available on phone. Whereas in the countries where Meta has monopoly over, everyone expects you to be on WhatsApp, and you don't really get a choice in the matter.
Whatsapp is just a text service that gained popularity because it bypassed expensive text messaging rates, and it's superior to SMS in most ways anyways. If meta starts charging people will go somewhere else. It's odd to hear this take that people are somehow dependant on it. It's more replaceable than a pair of shoes.
That may be the case where you and I live perhaps, but these countries that I speak of, have an entire ecosystem built around WhatsApp. Many companies there no longer provide a customer support number that you can call for instance, they expect you to interact with a bot run on WhatsApp, which can further lead to chatting with an actual agent speaking to them, but that's all done via WhatsApp. Also many teachers in schools and universities share lecture notes and study material via WhatsApp groups. Doctors and medical labs may share electronic copies of your reports via it. Some restaurants accept reservation requests solely via WhatsApp. It can even handle payments now, and besides using it as a means to send money to someone, some companies have even built entire e-commerce platforms around it, using interactive bots and the payment features. So for you and I, WhatsApp may be just another messaging service, but in these countries WhatsApp is quickly turning into an "everything" platform, and it's not trivial for someone to just replace it, unless they want to go live in a cave and cut themselves off from modern society.
Wow, that's news to me. I didn't realize it had gone so far in some places.
There are plenty of free and open source messaging alternatives, they just don't have the branding money to make sure a user base appears. To some degree the people using the apps are choosing the proprietary option.
We collectively need to be doing more to support and promote free open source software to avoid this issue. Secure peer to peer communication protocols should be more more ubiquitous than even http.
I can happily live with any IM software, just happens that WA got on the market earlier and everyone else uses it. Me taking a stand by only using telegram does no good if I have no one to talk to.
Ads being everywhere.
I have so many measures in place to block them whenever I do see them it always catches me off guard. The volume of them is ridiculous
It's going to be a weird time when we hit that level of tech with AR
Fuck billboards so very much.
I heavily support any gas station that doesn’t have fucking video ads blasting at every pump.
The American Healthcare system
Mine cost me 4k a dose and they gave me two. Absolutely remarkable.
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My wife spent no less than 5 hours on the phone with just as many groups of people to organize a blood draw that took a grand total of three actual minutes.
That's just the efficiency of the free market.
Work to live.
Edit: we have built a world where we measure success by money. This has meant we are all in pursuit of it all the time, even if we don't want to be. The rich get richer by driving us to do more with less, which marginalizes those who cannot be a productive part of that. We supress our compassion because it isn't making money. People suffer. Those of us who can contribute subject ourselves to a different kind of stress so we can enjoy a few hours of leisure here and there but we never really are free of the shackles of our employer. If you advance to a management position you are forced to evaluate and possibly fire people you could be friends with. When hiring you are evaluating how well people bend the knee. It's not a great world we've made for ourselves.
For me it's that for a culture that fetishizes "freedom" we sure are fucking willing to accept a reality where we have to give it up for most of our waking life just to be able to live and provide for our families. Once you see it, you can't unsee it.
How is that an absurdity? Humans have needed to work ever since we evolved from other species.
Yeah, it would be more correct to say "work for others to live" is absurd.
People always had to do some work to survive, but in a world were all the land is owned, if you are one of the majority which is born landless you generaly can't work for yourself (even to open your own business you need starting money) just enough to live by with (say, build your own house and do subsistence farming), so unless mommy and daddy have lots of dosh you're going to have to work for others within the constraints of the existing system (or become a criminal, in which case the system will punish you) and unlike when just working to provide to yourself, working in this system means competing with everybody else - and were, again, how much support mommy and daddy can give you makes a massive difference - to such a level that you have to run just to stand still.
Compared to plain old subsistence farming the whole way work is done in the current system is absurd, mainly because it has to produce way more than what is actually needed to provide for all, since a tiny slice of the population are massive money hoarders leeching out of the rest so tons of extra wealth has to be created just for them.
Whatever the optimal system is for "the greatest good for the greatest number" (which would be more than just everybody doing subsistence farming), mathematically it's clear it can't be one were some people have control over billions of times more resources than others.
Cars. Fuck cars.
So tired of being here in the states where people think you need a car, like it's required to live. It's only needed because we allow our infrastructure to be so lacking that we depend on cars. There are places both built up and as rural as the states where they don't need cars, where driving for 3 hours for a road trip is considered ludicrous.
I use a car about 4 times a month. On those 4 occasions I need that car. When buying my house I considered some extra criteria like proximity to a bus stop, train station and a good cycleable connection to daily goods stores. Even 10 years ago that caused my house being 15 to 30% more expensive as houses in different areas.
I am lucky to be able to afford such a thing but now I don't own a car for about 4 years and the cost of owning and maintaining a car seems to be far more expensive than the extra I had to invest in my house. Cars have become a lot more expensive while inflation made it easier to do the downpayments on my house.
Yup in the same boat, and I'm baffled that you get a downvote for this very mild opinion lol, shows the weird car focused culture we have, that someone telling us how they like living without a car is worth downvoting.
I choose my home on walkability and ease of access. I'm "lucky" that in the states I have a coffee shop and a few restaurants that I can walk to, and a bus stop a block away. We aren't at the "No cars" yet unfortunately, I'm in Seattle and while it's easy to go a lot of places without a car, unfortunately the surrounding area is very car centric. But, we are moving towards being a one car household
It's not even a mild opinion, it's a reality that more and more of my friends are living in. I'm in my mid 40's so it's not that it has anything to do with strong opinions, it just makes sense. 9 years ago we bought an electrified cargo bike. That was the first step in realizing we don't really need a car. I just added it all up and it made sense.
Well good luck making them change that In the meantime, I'm using my car so it doesn't take 2 hours to walk to the grocery store and only bring back what I can carry.
No one is saying you can't if you don't have access, we're saying it's ridiculous that we don't have actual decent transit infrastructure. You should use your car if it's the only option, but it's ridiculous that it is the only option.
If you think about it, they're absurd. To go buy some groceries, someone has to use enough power to move a ton of metal, plastic and rubber around.
People don't notice the absurdity because gas is so incredibly cheap, but gas is only so incredibly cheap because we're not paying for the long-term consequences of burning it, only the short-term costs of getting it out of the ground and refining it.
If anybody has trouble seeing the absurdity of cars in cities, imagine a hockey game, except each player has a Zamboni instead of skates.
Once got in a conversation about nuclear power that hit the point of "Yes nuclear is safer and more efficient but what about the jobs of the coal employees? Do you want them all to starve?"
Took a while to digest because there's a lot of normalization surrounding it, but after a while I realized what I had been told was:
"We have to intentionally gimp our efficiency in both energy production and pollution generation in order to preserve a harder, more costly industry, because otherwise people wouldn't have a task that they need to do in order to feed themselves."
Kinda disillusioned me with the underpinnings of capitalism, just how backwards it was to have to think this way. We can't justify letting people live unless they're necessary to society in some way - which might've made solid sense in older, very very different times in human history, but now means that so much of our culture is tied up in finding more excuses to make people do work that isn't really necessary at all.
New innovations happen, and tasks are made easier, and that doesn't actually save anyone any work, because everyone still has to put in 40 hours a week. New tech lets you do it in 10 hours? Whoops, actually that means that you're out of a job, replaced with an intern or something. Making "life" easier makes individual lives harder, what the fuck? That isn't how things should be at all!
Not exactly an easy situation to crack, but to circle back to the point of the thread - I hate how normal it is to argue on the basis that we need to create jobs, everywhere, all the time. I wish we'd have a situation where people can brag for political clout about destroying jobs instead, about reducing the amount of work people need to do to live and live comfortably, instead of trying to enforce this system where efficiency means making people obsolete means making people starve.
Woa there comrade. Trying to build a world where extracting value from labor isn't they ultimate goal? You'll never be a disillusional billionaire wannabe grinding your youth and passion into the labor that powers the elite classes whims with that attitude. Don't you want to see Jeff Bezos sorta go to space? That can't happen with spreading the wealth. Stay hungry my friend.
The robots are creating art and music while the humans are working harder than ever.
That's fun to say but not really a reflection of reality, factories full of machine operators don't exist like they used to - my parents talk about what would be like when the local factory day ended and everyone would flood the streets, fill the bars and everyone would be in their overalls... They actually still make the same product in a slightly different location, only about fifty people work there but they produce far more units.
It's the same in every industry, and all the extra profits are going into the pockets of the owners who live increasingly luxurious lifestyles. If the huge efficiency gains we've seen in recent decades were used to benefit society then we'd be living far better lives, but they're being used to buy absurdly over priced art to hang in super yachts and show off to their rich buddies.
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Trump
Normalised by America, maybe.
Outside of it, we're all wondering what the fuck is going on.
A lot of us inside the US are wondering the same thing still
And still wondering if he might actually come back.
What do you think the odds are?
After his arrest, probably 50/50.
I say this as a liberal with conservative family. They’ll vote for him again.
Despite the Capitol's riot, a survey showed 1/3 of Americans thought Biden's presidency was illegitimate. The conservatives see the lawsuits as political prosecutions.
I'd say unless the non-trump voters come out to vote in a historical number like the last election, he stands a good chance of becoming a president again. And a number of states have passed laws that would make it harder for some subsets of voters to vote.
Religions.
This is one of the most obvious answers.
Religion is a collective delusion and college graduation shocks me by how ritualistic it still is
Watch kindergarten kids start their day
Why?
Probably b/c the pledge of allegiance.
To some degree literally all of it. My monkey brain was designed to handle at most 150 people, wandering around all day searching for food, unprocessed food, using my body, having a close community I trust, relationship with nature, extreme knowledge of a small amount of things, and an uninterrupted sleep cycle powered by the son.
My humanity is a poor fit for the world I am in.
somewhat tongue in cheek answer:
people who think that our brains were designed.
It was, just by forces that lack conscious motivation.
You have a pretty unique definition for the word designed.
In a way it designed itself over time. I am a collection of accidentally acquired traits that happened to survive more often in the world that used to be. Mercifully it appears that I am somewhat adept at living in this world, but damn does it feel like I am a fish out of water being in this world.
Having opinions about other peoples gender, sexual orientation, private matters. Also legislating about that.
It's kind of like religion for me. Don't try to preach to me and I don't care what you do.
Well, I agree that it is absurd, but it is nothing new
Destroying our only habitable planet.
I feel like this should have way more upvotes.
Hahaha i read the 102 current comments and basically 90% of those that name the absurdity is just "capitalism" or its consequences.
Health insurance tied to your job.
Had me at health insurance
We've established a profit motive to increase your medical costs and then avoid covering them.
our strange treatment of animals
we anthropomorphise and infantilise our pets, yet boast about the animals we eat who've had legit insanity level cruel lives thanks to our systems.
[ not saying fussing over your pets is bad, i love it too, just the contrast is whiplash++ ]
lack of body autonomy
hint: most lqbqtia rights, reproductive rights, medical/medication rights, are all the SAME RIGHT:
your body, your choice.
it is constantly under attack, and diffused into separate arguments when its the one right effecting all these issues. newsflash: when it comes to my body, your unwelcome opinion, religious or otherwise, ain't worth the air its vibrating through.
slippery slope gatekeeping laws
making harmless x illegal because a subset of x might lead to harmful y. if y is bad, then enforce your ban on y, and fuckoff trying to use it as an excuse to control x₀, x₁, x₂ etc.
"Your body, your choice" has a limit once a super dangerous pathogen shows up and people start refusing the best tool we have to stop it for increasingly batshit reasons.
If you choose not to vaccinate, you're directly putting everyone else you interact with at risk. So there's a limit
Eh, "your body, your choice" still holds. The rest of us just also get to use our bodily autonomy to say "fine, but stay away from society". Go live in the wilderness and avoid the 5Gs or whatever as you die of a stubbed toe because of your choices.
when anything is that important, the medicine must be opensourced ^1^.
if so, and it's handled correctly, you can still have body autonomy in those situations due to the resulting freedoms - much akin in nature to the software foss freedoms we all cherish. and in that sense, would not be a limit of “Your body, your choice". while still maintaining, if not increasing, the public protection to such threats.
it was really refreshing to see some discussion in public health policy from some very smart and relevant people for opensourcing those medications. unsurprisingly it was swiftly shot down, but it was nice to at least see it taking place - which is a small positive change.
^1^ naturally we decouple authentication and traceability from commercial interests. and ofc it does not mean noone gets paid
That's definitely a valid concern, I don't think private enterprises should hold the secrets to protecting people from deadly diseases.
It should still be a personal choice. Someone else isn't really putting you at any more risk if you've been vaccinated as it doesn't stop you carrying a virus just aliveates the symptoms. It just means they're more likely to be laid up for a week where as you shrug it off.
What about people who can't be vaccinated?
There is no limit. Even in those cases they could be treated without vaccination. And the unvaccinated could be banned from spaces where they would be a danger. I mean come on, you're not even liberal? This is a super basic liberal principle baked into our society snd you just... disagree with it.
Extreme wealth
1.2% of the world population owns 49.5% of the wealth. It's fucked up.
It's almost enough money to live forever.
The current work week, there is no need for it to be that long with the advances in technology. Capitalism, its a pyramid scheme that is unsustainable.
I am noticeably more efficient on 4 day weeks, it just doesn't feel like a grind as much as the 5 day week. 5 day weeks I'll get bored, stare at the clock, and just want to be over. 4 day weeks I actually feel rejuvenated after the weekend and I'm ready to come back. We really need to rethink that
That repairing stuff yourself is worse than the company repairing it for you
It's kinda true since the company will probably try to withhold schematics, withhold spare parts or worse, maliciously design it to be unrepairable
Self fulfilling prophesy that works to generate more profit for the company.
That girls wear pink and boys wear blue.
How long until some nerd points out that it used to be opposite.. Oh, I just did, didn't I. Im that nerd. Darn.
It’s okay buddy.
Interestingly about 100 years ago it used to be the reverse. Pink was seen as a masculine colour while blue was considered feminine. Goes to show how arbitrary a lot of the gender norm rules are.
Not very long till a nerd shows up. My favorite is that FDR wore gender neutral clothes, including dresses, and did not get his hair cut till he was 7. A bizarrely more progressive past activity.
https://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2011/04/fdr-grew-up-in-a-dress-it-wasnt-always-blue-for-boys-and-pink-for-girls/237299/
I'm a straight, overweight and hairy man in his mid forties. I love pink.
My 5 year old son LOVES pink and purple. Anytime he can find anything on those colors he's all in. He picked out a pink crayon box and purple lunch box for Kindergarten here soon and my mom (who was taking him shopping) called me to make sure I was OK with him picking those.
"Yes mom, I don't care if he picks out things in his favorite colors." 🙄
Western society handing money, tax breaks etc hand over fist to rich people while our quality of life slowly erodes over time.
Mowing lawns, screw you dad.
Even worse, watering lawns. Not only in many places there is water restriction during the summer season and people watering their lawn do-it illegally, but the only consequences is that you have to mow-it more often. If you want to have green-grass, go to Britain or Netherlands where it's always raining and stop living around the Mediterranean
Can confirm. Endless rain this summer in the UK. No grass watering required (not that it is ever required...). Didn't stop my neighbour watering on the few sunny weeks we've had...
Trust me, it isn't always raining in the Netherlands.
We too have had summer seasons where the ground water is so low, there are restrictions on watering your lawn.
Having lawns also.
Is there a cheap low maintenance lawn substitute that you can walk on and doesn't get obnoxiously tall and allergy inducing?
Moss yards are pretty cool
That does sound cool! Does it take watering?
A lot of communities are seeing people install fake grass. Also, rock gardens or gravel lawns are an option. If you want green and natural, clover is a good ground cover that doesn't grow too tall.
Rock is what I was trying to avoid for easy walking on. I really like the idea of clover though. Our yard is already about a third clover, so makes sense to do it fully.
A government could be good. In theory:
I'm sure there's other ideas regarding this.
Who asseses people's capabilities in this system? As they are likely the most powerful people.
With 1 year and no second term they're just gonna steal everything within their reach from day 1, so we need to balance it with:
Then, maybe.
It'd need to be a system that automates itself instead of needing surveillance. Something that simply disincentivizes corruption.
How about "if you accept the bribe, report it and do nothing, you can keep it"?
Control goes back further than just territories to tribes. The tribe identity is only later tied to specific locations. Tribes formed because pooling resources burdens and learning was more efficient than doing it all yourself. From there, the tribes expanded and joined together and eventually settled into one location. So I disagree that oppressors just decided one day.
This was the case before countries existed. The territories used to be limited to how far the human cattle could walk, be productive and walk back home in day.
Freedom is only possible where the possibility of encountering other humans is negligible.
Whenever humans aglomerate, non productive humans require handouts to live. If they do not receive then they die. If they don't want to die, they will steal. If the other humans resist, there will be a struggle and whoever wins becomes the state.
I think keeping population below 1 per square kilometer and spread out is the best solution to the state predation problem.
That's probably the most polite disagreement I've ever had, I think I'll save this comment !
Yeah, we know, politicians.
You got it, the mediators between us and them. See Europe and their history with romas people, for what it looks like when this peace breaks down.
Much of the concept of "intellectual property". Here's a good essay by Richard Stallman:
https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/not-ipr.en.html
Copyright by and large needs to be abolished. Patents in software are nonsensical, and elsewhere they should be drastically scaled back. Trademark is alright, with a few adjustments needed.
But all of the above is hiding behind a concept of "property" that just does not apply to intangible things, and we need to stop using that term to describe them.
I'm amenable to the idea of getting first dibs on an idea you came up with (software, hardware, fiction...), but it's been clearly abused to an insane degree by corporations who want to make a quick buck.
Yes, there are some theories why copyrights or trademarks might be good ideas.
Trademarks, for example, allow a company with a good reputation to avoid having their reputation be tarnished by someone imitating them but using lower quality goods. That seems reasonable. But, they're often abused so that a company can use their trademark to avoid having someone criticize them.
Copyright is the ridiculous one. Ok, maybe there's some bargain to be struck here. Maybe it actually does incentivize someone to create a work of art if they know they can control it for a short time. And, maybe the public benefits from that because that thing gets made, and (just as importantly) becomes part of the public domain in a reasonable time.
But, copyrights lasting a century? That's absurd. That slows down progress because it locks things out of the public domain until a point where they're no longer relevant. It disincentivize someone from creating something new, when they know they can milk the old one for decades instead.
Importantly though, none of these things is necessary for progress. The sistine chapel was painted without the benefit of copyright. AFAIK, there was no patent for the printing press. And the first things printed on it weren't protected by copyright.
Who uses bad Internet intentionally? I've been waiting 20 years for a different service.
The job "market". Every time I hear a politician say "I'm going to make more jobs", I want to yell "jobs are made by the act of doing something!"
I too hate working for corporations.
Social media becoming advertising platforms, I think.
Yeah I think that's where society has gone wrong. The early days of Facebook were actually not too bad.
Positive attitude towards billionaire philanthropists. First, they made a fortune on the result of labor alienated from workers, then they threw a pitch and became good guys
Christmas.
An environmental impact study on this would be interesting.
Even the Chinese celebrate Christmas now just for fun and because they already make the decorations
That few countries take a person's wealth and income into account when fining them for breaking laws. I see examples like these and wish this were the norm everywhere.
If you fine people based on their bank balance, you end up fining careful savers, not rich people with shell companies.
The best way to achieve the same goal for the more major fines is with custodial sentences. E.G. 2 weeks for drinking and driving.
And for the more minor traffic stuff with points and bans. If every one has the same number of points and gets the same ban, it is fairer
From what I recall, the places that do this usually do it in the form of days of income. I'm not sure how they determine that if someone's money comes from investments, etc.
Pretty self-explanatory if you think about the people that design those fining procedures and what there wealth and income is.
True. So I wonder how is it that some European countries that do this got around that obstacle. I guess that's what happens when you have an equitable society in place?
Punish them Based on their Assets
My current favorite is the federal reserve making policy to intentionally weaken the labor market. I am currently paying the fuckwads scheming to keep labor weak, docile, and dependent. What a blast.
inflation is evil, so we can't raise wages!
//every company raises prices, so net result is more americans in poverty//
Can you elaborate?
Raising interest rates to fight inflation works by reducing demand. Jobs get lost so people have less money. So they spend less, so prices drop to be more competitive.
Only poorer people obviously. Rich people are less affected, but still pay more in interest. The increased number of unemployed people means competition for jobs is higher so workers are cheaper to pay, increasing profits again.
High inflation is bad for everyone, but particularly so for the poorer, too. However, measures to fight it should be spread across society. Instead blunt tools like interest rate rises disproportionately affect the poor. They should be combined with higher taxes on business and high earners and high net worth individuals. Worldwide we only really do the first. I wonder who decides?
Especially because, as far as I can see, inflation isn't being caused by demand for necessaries. And, these days, an increasing number of people are pretty much only able to afford the basics necessities (if even that) did to talk terms pay cuts as a result of inflation.
In addition, I could definitely go for enforcement and expansion of price gouging and profiteering laws.
I would like to see enforcement and expansion of profiteering guillotines.
I like the cut of your jib
It mostly works by forcing companies to pay back their loans rather than keeping them indefinitely, which pulls excess money out of the economy instead of it circulating continuously. When interest rates were near zero and the reserve requirement was dropped for banks, a shitload of this lending was done multiple times, so they're hoping to effectively claw that back
Mainly just my absolute shock at the openness of saying "We really need to see a weaker labor market." Seriously??? That is where we are at now. The complete and transparent assault on the worker by people I personally fund. Outrageous! At least lie to me about your motives like I might have a modicum of power over you. Now you just tell me to eat shit and die right to my face.
Slavery
Homelessness.
Billionaires.
War.
Magic, aka science and technology.
This is the thread that made me make an account and what a pain it was to find without having saved it anywhere. I've been holding out for someone to say it, but havwn't seen it specifically.
Single use plastics. I still remember the weird feeling of doom when learning the world population and making the quick relation to disposable plastics, constantly being told "but it's only a little bit." A little bit for several thousand years, per billions, is too many bits.
some more
public philosophy mirages
eg.1 "free market will balance everything"
will it now? until we actually see one, we'll never know. we don't live in a free market, and never have. they rig the shit out of it with eg. drm and region locks, and then gaslight us that its free & balanced. lol.
eg.2 "democracy is the best we have"
same as above, when i see a true democracy i'll let you know. caveat: unsure of your exact country's situation, but when was the last time you consistently voted on what you want to happen, rather than who will fail to implement their election promises (with 0.0% accountability btw).
also, friendly reminder: mostly the "who", you can vote for was already chosen in a private vote by the political parties, before they even pretended to care about our opinion. lol.
strawman public discourse
arguing in the media over the wrong points in an issue to keep public discourse on a 'lively' treadmill
eg.1
Q: Is climate change human caused?
A: Doesn't change the issue: stop poisoning the water, air and soil - we need them to live. duh.
eg.2
Q: Is being lgbqta a choice?
A: Doesn't change the issue: if its not a choice they can't control it, leave these people alone. if it is a choice, its a free country, leave these people alone.
edit: if you disagree with any of the above, please expand, i'm open to a new perspective.
Straight up logic. Why isn’t this taught in school?
It is in some parts of the world. Lots of people hate those classes.
Love your eg 2. I've never thought about it that way!
Capitalism.
Tell us what makes it absurd. And please stick to demonstrable facts for proof of cause and effect.
Thank you
The basic unit of production, where capital meets labour to produce goods and services, is the capitalist firm. And every profit-maximising firm is owned by a private capital.
Capitalists extract profits from firms. They can spend only a fraction of their profits on luxury consumption. Because if the rich spent all their profit on luxuries their capital will rapidly diminish and expire, compared to competing capitals who invest their profit in further profitable activities. Profit income must be reinvested in order to make more profit. This is the prime directive for anyone who possesses a capital sum of money.
Owners of capital — that is capitalists — can’t put all their eggs in one basket. That’s too risky because firms can go under, or assets that store value might depreciate. So capitalists spread their risk by owning a portfolio of investments with different risk profiles.
A typical portfolio will consist of cash held in different sovereign currencies, government, municipal and corporate bonds, shares in different companies, from risky start-ups to blue chips, and all kinds of income-producing assets, such as land and housing. Basically anything that might yield a higher than average return.
Each individual capital must aim to maximise the return over its portfolio. If it fails it will diminish in size relative to other capitals, and eventually cease being a capital at all.
And it’s right here that we again find the causal structure of a feedback control system. An individual capital — when we consider it as a social practice mediated by a privately owned large sum of money — also has its own goal state, sensory inputs, decision making, and ability to act upon the world in which it is embedded.
Let’s take each of these in turn. (i) The goal of an individual capital is to maximise the average return from every dollar (or pound) invested. (ii) The “sensory inputs” are the different profit-rates earned across the portfolio. (iii) The capitalist, or the financial experts they employ, compare the different profit-rates, and (iv) the feedback loop is closed by actions that withdraw capital from poorly performing investments, and inject capital into high performing investments.
This control loop manifests as an insatiable and ceaseless search for high returns.
Capital doesn’t care how its money is actually used in production. It entirely abstracts from all concrete activities. The only thing it can sense, compare and use is abstract value.
So the commanding heights of the global economy consists of an enormous ensemble of individual capitals, each manically scrambling for profit, reacting to the signals of differential returns received from its tendrils that extend to every productive activity under its rule, continually injecting and withdrawing capital to and from different industrial sectors and geographical regions. The entirety of the world’s material resources, including the working time of billions of people, are repeatedly marshalled and re-marshalled away from low and towards high-profit activities. In the space of months, entire industrial sectors may be raised up, relocated, or thrown down.
Capitalists are possessed, mere machine components of capital.
What about the individual people who participate in this social practice? Surely their individual consciousness, their ideas, and their behaviour matter, and make a difference?
To a certain extent they do of course. But individuals come and go, but capitals live much longer than any individual human. The people controlled by the capital — that is the workers that supply labour to firms, and capitalists that exploit them and extract profits — are mere replaceable components in the control loop, mechanically performing prescribed functional roles.
For example, Marx writes in Capital, that:
“to classical economy, the proletarian is but a machine for the production of surplus-value; on the other hand, the capitalist is in its eyes only a machine for the conversion of this surplus-value into additional capital.”
We often say that a capitalist possesses capital. But it is more accurate to say that capital possesses them. Capitalists are the human face of an inhuman intelligence with its own logic and its own goals.
“In bourgeois society capital is independent and has individuality, while the living person is dependent and has no individuality” (Communist Manifesto).
Bigger capitals enjoy the advantage of larger portfolios, which spreads risk. In consequence, capital tends to concentrate in a few hands. So we find a large number of small capitals, and a very small number of astronomically large capitals, which earn profits that dwarf the GDP of many nation states. The scale and power of some capitals is truly titanic.
And these titans are so much in control, that they are out of control. Again, a quote from the Communist Manifesto:
“Modern bourgeois society, with its relations of production, of exchange and of property, a society that has conjured up such gigantic means of production and of exchange, is like the sorcerer who is no longer able to control the powers of the nether world whom he has called up by his spells.”
Every day millions of workers, around the globe, have no choice but to sacrifice their time, and their vitality, to produce new profit for the autonomous controllers. No matter how hard, long or efficiently we work, the imperative to work remains.
Why? Because every labour-saving technical innovation takes the form of profit, which is then captured by individual capitals, and immediately re-injected into the material world to animate new activities for further profit. This is why, despite huge advances in automation, the working day remains as long as ever.
Take another example: the logic of capital demands maximum profit extraction from firms, and that means minimising wages. Those possessed by capital live an exalted existence. But the world’s dispossessed must feed, clothe and maintain a home with an average income of about 7 pounds a day.
Another example: it’s better to be exploited than not exploited. We are subject to the whims of the business cycle and periodic crises of accumulation. Recessions regularly throw large numbers of people out of work, through no fault of their own. Suddenly bills can’t be paid. Families are thrown onto the street, as happened in the US during the 2008 mortgage crisis, and is happening again now.
Why? Because individual capitals are almost blind. They see only differential returns across their portfolios. And returns may be good even if unemployment is high, or human misery spills onto the streets. Capital does not care.
Another example: capital deals in abstract value, and things that are not owned, which aren’t bought and sold, therefore have no value to it at all. So the material wealth of nature — the land, the oceans, and the atmosphere — is relentlessly plundered without any regard for the consequences.
Capital destroys us, and the environment. The endless production and profit-making cannot stop, because each individual capital must compete to survive. Marx summarised the prime directive of capital as:
“Accumulate, accumulate! … reconvert the greatest possible portion of surplus-value … into capital! Accumulation for accumulation’s sake, production for production’s sake: by this formula classical economy expressed the historical mission of the bourgeoisie”.
So all the autonomous control loops have the single-minded goal of extracting profit from the world’s activities. If an activity fails to satisfy this goal, then the controller withdraws its capital, and the activity stops.
So at the apex of the economy we have a competing collection of identical controllers — with an atavistic, low level of demonic intelligence — which inject and withdraw a social substance that appears to possess the magical power of animation, of bringing things alive, of creation; but also appears to possess the power of annihilation, of suffocation, of bringing things to an end, of destruction.
We are definitely not in control. And something else definitely is in control.
So what are we really talking about now?
We’re saying that a new kind of supra-individual control system emerged, quite spontaneously, from our own social intercourse, and then — in a very real sense — has taken on a life of its own, turned around, and started controlling us.
Capital in a scientific, not a metaphorical sense, is a control system. And it is capital, as a control system, that ultimately creates and maintains the abstraction we call exchange-value. Capital is the abstractor.
more here: https://ianwrightsite.wordpress.com/2020/09/03/marx-on-capital-as-a-real-god-2/
That is an interesting read. Thank you for the effort, it is honestly appreciated.
I feel compelled to point the author is hardly unbiased.
I know it is a difficult request. I just don't have it in me to accept anything at face value because someone says so.
That being said, you took time to present discourse far beyond what most people do. Again, thank you for that
No author is unbiased. If you think they're unbiased it's just their biases are the same as yours or those of the status quo (whatever you might consider that to be).
Thankfully, you don't have to! You have a brain in your head, so you can read the arguments being made, think about them, and critically evaluate them. You can try to come up with counter-arguments, or failing that, look around for counter-arguments other people have made and critically evaluate those too.
The commenter above gave you sources for the quotes, so you can find copies of them and read the complete argument being made in those works.
This put words to thoughts and feelings I have had for a long time, but have not been able to express accurately. Thank you, well written.
Here's an interview with the author of the blog, Ian Wright.
https://piped.video/watch?v=gjIXcp0_gw4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gjIXcp0_gw4
I just pulled together a few relevant parts of his writings to answer the question asked, but the full works are very informative.
Here is an alternative Piped link(s): https://piped.video/watch?v=gjIXcp0_gw4
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Excellent write-up of the evils of corporatism and the danger of meta-human entities. Samuel Butler would be proud.
Very simply: how can it be fair that someone who contributes nothing to the process profits from my labour?
I am the skilled craftsperson who produces furniture. And yet someone takes from me the profit of my work. Beyond the cost of materials, workshop, arranging buyers etc.
After all those costs are accounted for there is still someone else who captures most of the profit instead of me. How is that not absurd?
Without context, this comment sounds like you're against taxes, rather than against capitalism.
The fact that we live in a land of plenty but people die due to malnutrition or lack of access to healthcare because it's not profitable is pretty damning.
Capitalism is like a rabid dog. It has its uses, but you don't just let it roam freely, you keep it on a tight leash.
Your comment is textbook sealioning.
It's really not. Sealioning involves inserting oneself uninvited into a discussion, e.g. an anti-feminist showing up in a feminist forum to demand that participants defend feminism from junk challenges.
It's convenient how some people have invented a word that allows them to avoid having to back up any claims they make…
“The Earth is flat.”
“What evidence do you have for that?”
“Sealioning!”
I see you ignored the other comments in the subthread. Someone did provide an extremely thorough answer which the commenter dismissed as not believing the author was credible...rather than exploring the numerous valid claims and arguments. My comment was not only a perfect description of what was happening, but also turned out to be prophetic about what would happen next. Their original challenge was not in good faith and was intentionally designed to cause someone to have to go out and do a ton of work only to be dismissed.
And your comment is classic avoidance and redirection.
if someone makes a one word comment, they're unlikely to want to write you a research paper justifying it. but i'll give it a li'l go.
the whole core concept of capitalism is that some few people 'own' the ovens, and they get to tell other people to bake cookies, and even though these cookie-bakers bake all of the cookies, the oven-owners get to keep most of them, and the cookie bakers only get a small portion. also there aren't any ovens that aren't 'owned' by an oven-owner, so if you wanna eat cookies, you have to give most of the cookies you bake to an oven-owner. and this model is extended to everything.
i don't know that this allegory will mean anything to you, and maybe you think of something different when you hear 'capitalism' (maybe you think of 'markets', or 'money', or, i don't know, just seeing benefits from ones own hard work or something), but this is basically the usual meaning of capitalism, and probably what most people who oppose it, myself included, are talking about. there are a lot of other criticisms, of course, but that core scammy unfairness of it, i think, is most absurd.
Tobacco smoking.
Having to wear clothes in public.
Tobacco smoking, at least cigarettes, is quickly becoming de-normalized in some countries. In New Zealand they did a ban with current smokers grandfathered in essentially. In the US, there is more and more hostility to smoking.
People will cough and act dramatic when you smoke outside, you can't smoke inside of anywhere but bars anymore (and only some bars at that). Smoking is seen as low brow - typically mostly done by the lower rungs of society.
Zizek talks about this a bit and claims it's ideology. You are compelled to enjoy and be a hedonist - but never too much.
Personally, I quit smoking a long time ago but I think alcohol is much worse but doesn't get nearly the same treatment.
People can get sick from secondhand smoke. Yes, it's true that alcoholics can affect people around them, it's not as obvious as blowing smelly smoke in someone's face.
Typically only in cases where they are getting repeated exposure. For example children who live with parents who smoke inside. Someone breathing in cigarette smoke in passing in a well ventilated area is probably no more dangerous to their health than eating fast food or drinking soda.
I'm much more concerned with drunk driving and the thousands of annual deaths associated with that. Not to mention drunks beating their wives or getting into fights, etc
Smoking is bad, no doubt. But I really do think the societal rubberband snap is a strange effect we're having. Almost everyone used to smoke - now nobody does. It's very interesting.
Basically, we're in agreement. My point is that people see A blowing smoke into B's face and instantly notice it, while drunk driving deaths are a statistic they read about. It's not logical, but most human reactions aren't logical.
Good point.
I'm not convinced the alcohol is the determining factor in shitheads being shitheads. Domestic abusers wouldn't disappear if alcohol did. Drunk driving, maybe, but it would be replaced with other substances or forms of negligence.
Drinking responsibly does have short term social and mental benefits when used responsibly, and less severe long-term health issues.
I'm not advocating for alcohol consumption by any means, but it seems obvious to me why it's viewed more positively than smoking. It helps people enjoy life. Smoking doesn't, really.
Alcohol causes increase of domestic violence. You're right in that there exists a certain number of shitheads regardless of alcohol. But alcohol reduces inhibitions. While sober, they may just yell at their wife. Drunk, they hit them. This is a well-studied effect.
And sure, alcohol can act as a social lubricant and the majority of people who use it don't commit violence.
But amplified over the whole population we're talking about tens of thousands if not hundreds of thousands of people affected by alcohol related abuse - depending how you define abuse.
As for positive from cigarettes, it can act as a mild antidepressant and mild stimulant. Helps you focus. Something like 80-90% of schizophrenics smoke. They think it's because it acts as sort of a self-medication.
It also helps during the process of quitting other substances. For example rehabs give away free cigarettes and vapes.
Having said all this, I'm not trying to start a crusade against alcohol. It's perfectly natural to use. And the government shouldn't ban it - that's stupid for a number of reasons. Philosophical to practical.
But I'm just saying people are very negative to smoking and positive to Marijuana and alcohol when statistically speaking alcohol does a lot more damage
About 60% cases of violence where the police has to intervene have to do with alcohol.
The thing is that drinking it looks innocent, since you have to drink (water) in order to stay alive. But alcohol is literal poison.
See my other commnets in this thread.
Also, we've tried alcohol prohibition and the results were worse.
Too true. That makes me worry about tobacco prohibition as well. And just when the world is starting to move on from cannabis prohibition, it seems like we really need to keep making this mistake eh
Im just happy some peoples dirty butts hasn't made direct contact with the seat im sitting in. Thats a good reason we have to wear clothes imho. Cleanliness and respect for sharing the world with others makes it okay to have rules about attire in public spaces.
But the whole showing skin being so goddamn taboo for real people, while at the same time near nudity and sexuality on publicly visible advertising boards is completely ok, thats a double standard I can't understand.
And the modern fear of showing non-sexual nudity to kids. Its very noticeable how bad an effect it have had on our society by now: Kids are hesitant to change and shower after gym. People don't undress and do a proper shower before entering public swimming pools.
The nudity taboo is a problem of sexist sexualisation and sexualised violence, among others.
Imagine being able to walk to the cafe with your friends in scorching heat without having to bother with constricting, sweaty and heavy clothing without being sexualised or ridiculed or attacked (things that also happen when clothed, btw).
My problem with smoking is 1. it's addictive so most people doing it don't even want to so banning it will only stop addiction and 2. second hand smoke
It's called public indecency for a reason
Religion
Modern devices not using USB-C.
Thank you. No one seems to take into account that how well a person does in life or not is (almost?) completely down to luck.
Expensive wedding
Jewels
Gold
Compulsory "bless you" when someone sneezes
It's because it was once believed that sneezing stopped your heart, so people would say a small prayer for good health.
Or something like that, I read that somewhere and I'm not sure if it's true.
Yeah but my wife thinks it's mandatory to say, every single time, even if she is in the middle of saying something. And she thinks those rules should apply to everyone.
I don't see why it even needs to be acknowledged.
I like the German “gesundheit”, which means “good health”
I like to make up words that sound German like "Gëschnörgenhünd" when people sneeze. If I get called on it by someone that speaks German, I just claim it's Old High German
oh that’s good, I’m stealing that!
iPhone prices.
Capitalism and billionaires
Speed traps in the US. I had to explain to my son that the reason why we have to drive 45 mph for half a mile on an interstate is because there is a convenient side street in the middle of that stretch of road where the police can wait.
Legal gang of bandits
I actually appreciate cops keeping people to the speed limit. It is much safer for everyone.
Edit: While I appreciate cops doing this, I actually think it shouldn't be their job. We have meter readers handing out parking tickets. I think non LEO civil servants could issue citations for speeding too. That would free up cops to be arseholes somewhere else.
Sure, if the town didn't suddenly drop the speed limit for half a mile right as it goes around a curve that gives the cops a place to hide and give out $20 tickets with $200 court costs that people pay online. I don't know for a fact, but I'd bet money that the court costs go to the town (and from there to the police department), while the fine itself goes to the feds. An abrupt 45 mph zone on an interstate doesn't protect anyone, it lines the pockets of the police department that has jurisdiction. It's fucking predatory.
Copyright
Agreed. You gotta eat too. I just can't comprehend how there can be a way to arrange bits in my hard drive so wrong it can land me in jail
And I just don't understand how I can walk around so wrong that I end up in jail for trespassing, or vibrate my vocal cords in such a wrong way that I end up in prison for "trying to rob a bank." smh
social media
Offices of all types (medical, billing, tech support, etc.) only doing business on a callback basis. Customers and clients are expected to be continuously available to receive a call at the office's convenience.
We have all become unwilling, unpaid, on-call employees of most every company we deal with.
Gasoline.
Here’s a toxic and highly volatile liquid. Rather than transferring it in specialized canisters with safety seals, we just let you dump it out of a hose. There is absolutely no safety training on how to handle it, and all you need is some cash to obtain a lot of it. It’s something of a right of passage for children to dispense it for their parents.
And despite the fact that the vehicles that use it spend 90% of their time parked in one place, you can’t have it delivered to that place like you can with other utilities like water, electricity, and natural gas. You have to go to special stores and comparison shop.
And even the stores you buy it from have it delivered by truck. They don’t even get it piped in.
Oh, and even when used correctly, it'll kill you if you use it in an enclosed space.
And it's killing the planet too.
Thank god for that. Can you imagine how much polluted land and groundwater we'd have if we piped it around and it leaked like our water pipes do?
Oh for sure. This is something of a practiced rant I perform to promote electric vehicles. Petrol drivers are always asking about how long it takes to charge a vehicle at a charging station not realizing that their vehicle can charge while it sits dormant at home.
“How long does it take to charge your car?”
“I dunno, how long does it take to charge your phone?”
Etc.
and we seemingly need endless war to keep getting it out of the ground
Green grass lawns.
We're in a drought where I am and I still see boomer dudes going out and watering their lawns. So many more eco alternatives but they just think someone will judge them. No dude, we're judging you on the massive waste of water
Hate. Every iteration of society in history has normized hatred of some "other" and its bonkers.
Circus politics
The requirement for people to post their lives online, in the early days if the Internet the general rule was you don't post personal information online, now it's gone the complete opposite direction, I've met multiple people who write you of as "strange" just because they can't poke through your Facebook/Instagram/snapchat/twitter.
I don't keep social media accounts because it doesn't intrest me, and have been told multiple times that people don't trust me because I don't air out everything I think on an online platform.
In America, gaslighting by corporations and conservatives attempts to convince us that for profit healthcare is normal and fine. It’s ok for billionaires and huge corporations to get tax breaks and pay less or zero taxes because they “create jobs.” Businesses have the right to control elections with massive donations because…that’s free speech. Most rich people got that way by working hard…and anyone can do it. Immigrants are responsible for poor job markets and other economic woes.
Infidelity
Support for communism. People somehow manage to wildly exaggerate both the evils of capitalism and the benefits of communism, even though we have plenty of contemporary and historical examples to refer to.
Communism is as much of a fairy tale as the Free Market.
For exactly the same reasons.
Almost like we better pick something ... in the middle, like heavily regulated capitalism and social democracy.
Full genocide now or no genocide? Those both seem pretty extreme, let's pick from the middle and genocide some people. I am an enlightened centrist.
There's a logical fallacy going on here that I don't know the name for, but basically: who says there needs to be any genocide? Why is genocide a constant present in all aspects of that spectrum?
The logical fallacy was committed by you when you equivocated with zero support, Communism and "The Free Market." The free market has never existed except as a thought experiment so that market economists can try to model what effects supply and demand would have on a frictionless market. It's equivalent to physics classes where you ignore air-resistance and friction. No one claims physics is a fairy-tale and it would be absurd to claim that market economics and physics are both fairy-tales for "exactly the same reason."
Communism on the other hand is a well-defined and studied economic system, and aspects of that economic system exist in every country on earth.
Well you're either claiming capitalism or communism has no history of genocide. I'm too tired to dig through your word salad to try and figure out which. Either way, you're hilariously wrong.
I didn't say anything about support anything, I was commenting on the fact that your comment has in it the inherit assumption that no matter what there's going to be genocide and that somehow the middle road was just a little genocide.
There are a lot of people on the same side when it comes to workers rights and freedom from capitalist oppression, but my short time on lemmy has shown me that a LOT of communists are hostile to everyone that isn't 100% on board with Mao which leaves you pushing away potential allies.
No, we have historical examples of various X forms of Socialism that were supposed to be the intermediate state between capitalism and communism. All of the turned out to be authoritarian nightmares, but none of them actually made it to the communism stage of development.
Essentially truly supporting communism is merely saying we could be living in a post-scarcity state. The oligarchs ain't gonna let that happen though and their captive governments aren't about to let that happen though.
I propose that human greed leads to the corruption of both capitalist and communist systems in actual practice. The difference is that in capitalism, greed is publically encouraged and publically rewarded, while in communism, greed is publically discouraged and privately rewarded. Inequality is present in both practices ostensibly (with few historical exceptions). Whatever economic systems are implemented by humanity, some people are winners and some are losers.
The question of what system is best cannot be settled by only historical anecdotes. Historical record is too biased towards its own context, though we can look at patterns that have emerged through recorded history to try and achieve a more objective understanding; we have to examine a system as it exists right now. We must accept that no system will be exempt from human greed and focus our efforts on policies that fight against it wherever possible. This is not an enlightened centrist position; this is the position of someone who wants to maximize the number of societal winner and minimize the number of losers.
We agree about greed being unavoidable. The difference between the two systems is how you go about satisfying your desire to get ahead - under capitalism you acquire mainly through trade, providing goods and services to others (and sometimes through theft), while under communism your ability to engage in trade is severely restricted, leaving only the other options.
That is a great way of putting it and totally compatible with my view as well. The boundaries of the system dictate the pathways in which greed flows.
I think they don't support the sample size, cause we have a lot of examples of both
I am personally not for Communism still for Socialism that follows ideals of communism but solves Problems of it but its still gonna be way better than Capitalism
And in my arguments for communism, I'm not gonna deny the history of authoritarians pulling tricks to take advantage of the grassroots movement.
Not saying Hello or goodbye in an elevator, to people from the same building, especially in big cities
One of my pet peeves is people not saying thank you when you hold the door for them. I feel like that's kind of in a similar vein
They do this in Latin America
Society itself. Have you seen this shit? What the fuck are we thinking?!
Respirating and procreating
Just think of how many people through time, generation after generation, will have suddenly stopped, looked around and cried out "why the ever loving fuck are we doing this?!" just to be trampled into infinitely fine dust, into complete irrelevance, by the hooves of billions of stampeding wildebeest they were running aimlessly with
United Kingdom
Governments fear mongering people into doing what they say. Shutting down people's lives from fear of death from Covid, a government sanctioned and authorized "pandemic". Now, it's normal for governments to dictate people's lives. Lame.
Development of space and auto industries while so many people are homeless and hungry.
It is shortsighted and naive to think that following one avenue of progress is bad because we lag behind in other things. The amount of life saving and improving technologies that space travel has had a hand in might surprise you.
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Allowing to block public traffic just so you can perform you hobby.
Looking at you cycling races like the Tour de France.
What. What. What. Did you teleport into the future to share 1920s Ford propoganda with us?
Must have been even more infuriating back when people could no longer do their hobbies because fast-moving, noisy, deadly pieces of metal got priority everywhere, owned by almost everyone, and roads and parkings carving up cities.
Why did we ever allow it to go this far? We should have made laws forbidding most cars inside cities. We could have focused more on public transport and kept streets walkable.