Trying to decide on what food fits which category purely on the botanical definition of fruit is silly. In many other languages, the botanical and culinary definition even use completely different words. It's like saying lobster is red meat using a scientific definition of red.
But if we are having fun with this, rhubarb: definitely no fruit, but far too sweet, too often consumed raw or minimally processed, and far too at home in a yoghurt to fit nicely into the group vegetable.
It's fair enough to call things different to what that actually are. Vegetables in common language just means the stuff treated as vegetables in the kitchen. Calling all the things that are actually fruit fruit isn't really useful in the kitchen. I don't want tomato or pumpkin or cucumber in a fruit salad
Likewise with berries. Using the scientific names isn't useful in the kitchen, strawberries, blueberries, blackberries are all used similarly, despite only one of those is technically a berry
Assuming you like eating chicken, when is it wrong to pair chicken with vegetables? I made a vegetable-mushroom-chicken soup last week and it was delish. Whether chicken is or isn't a vegetable is an academic concern, not a culinary one.
Try putting mushrooms or chicken in the sangria however and you'll be rightfully prosecuted for crimes against humanity.
Water is debatable, everything else why not. If a recipe is generic enough to call for "vegetables", you wouldn't be wrong to include any of those things.
I absolutely call them vegetables. It's a kitchen term and it absolutely makes sense to categorise them alongside tomatoes, beans, carrots, squash and cabbage. People get too hung up on things only belonging to exactly one category.
And hand a person a picture of an apple, tomato, pepper, cucumber, pork cutlet, and mushroom and ask them to put the pictures into the squares and then label each square
Average person will definitely label a box as vegetables and put the mushrooms in it
Apple, tomato, peppers, and cucumbers are all fruits
Mushrooms are mushrooms
Pork is meat
But if you give the average person those it’s much more likely they will make the categories fruits, vegetables, and meat and put mushrooms in the vegetable category
Why are we starting this scenario with the arbitrary restriction of 3? Yes, if you give people any number of items and tell them there is a finite number of categories, they were will find a way to divide those items into three. That doesn't mean they wouldn't come up with a more compelling argument for their choices when told to divide into 4 groups.
At no point have our options ever only been "fruit or vegetable," but yeah I guess if you tell people those are their only choices of course they'll adhere. But like... I've never known anyone who though those were the only choices?
The point is that may people will instinctually call mushrooms a vegetable
If we take that same example and add 4 categories and then add milk as another item I am still willing to bet the average person will put mushrooms as a vegetable and make the categories fruit vegetable dairy meat even though vegetables aren’t real and you could have a category of animal products.
Now if you only quiz the biology majors you might get a different result but in the U.S. only 38% of people are college educated and the most common major is business
I've read elsewhere that the reason for the DGA to conflate them, is because mushrooms have comparable nutrients to vegetables. So, from a dietary and regulatory viewpoint, it makes some amount of sense. But yeah, I feel like you could have just had a category "vegetables & mushrooms".
I know this is probably a repost but the self-censorship is super annoying and has entered the lexicon in ways that can permanently damage human communication as a whole.
Yeah sure censor stuff from kid shows but we're at the point where "unalive" and "pdf file" are being used as code words. Everyone knows what they mean, even the censors.
Its coming from Tiktok. Bytedance has heavy word censorship and if one of your comments or videos was flagged as inappropriate and had one of those words your account would be automatically suspended for review.
So a lot of normal westerm words got flagged. Kill. Dead. Any word related to sex. Hole. (Lol) basically every curse word.
Then there are gray words like Pedophile where people think it changes the algorithm to show your videos less if they contain them, but no one has any proof from what I can tell.
It's also extremely weird because people often just default to the "hidden meaning" completely ignoring context. There were so many instances where I was being shouted at for writing "CP" on the Cyberpunk subreddit, it was just weird...
It's annoying that its driven by ad revenues, and made more dumb by the fact that if everyone can decode it, then they're still advertising over sex and violence. So the whole endeavor is pointless.
But I don't think it will cause any harm. Humans have been using slang, code, and memetic language to obscure meaning from others and identify their in-crowds since the dawn of human language. Some of it is dumber than others, but it won't cause any harm.
You're correct! "Vegetable" is a culinary term. "Fruit" is both botanical and culinary. The "tomato isn't a fruit" nonsense comes from people trying to conflate the two; if we called botanical fruits "grunkles" we wouldn't have this problem.
Fruit salads are an abomination anyway. It's like someone was going to make smoothies and their blender broke. A tomato in a fruit salad doesn't seem any crazier than some of the other things in those anyway.
Tell you what, you bring your worst salad, and I'll bring mine. I think I have some chicken salad that's been in the fridge for a few months that the partner forgot about.
Excuse me, it's smoothies that are an abomination, if anything.
You've got beautiful fruit where each bite tastes and feels different, which have long fibers with structural integrity to prevent your stomach from ingesting the sugar all at once, and then you decide:
Nah, I'd rather have fruit soup, where the whole thing just has a singular monotonous taste. And where there's nothing to chew. Just sign me up for the retirement home now.
Whoah, calm down, killer. I am in the same camp as you with smoothies. I just think fruit salads are worse. Smoothies (not made at home) at least usually take into account how flavors should blend together.
The thing is too that mushrooms don't even cook like vegetables or even like a protein or anything. So not only are they not botanically vegetables, they aren't even culinarily vegetables either.
Also if you don't like mushrooms because of the texture, you're probably cooking your mushrooms wrong.
Is that just the normal ones you find at the grocery store, or have you tried other types? I think oyster mushrooms are really good when you fry them until they are crispy. Lion's mane is really good too, I like to make vegan pulled pork with them. The flavor of some foraged ones are also amazing like chantarell and black trumpets. Chicken of the woods also tastes and kinda feels like lemony dry chicken. There's soooo many great mushrooms
Have tried all the ones you mentioned and many more over my years, I grew up amongst old world hippies, have eaten many a mushroom, wish I had the taste for them, just don't really. Some are def better than others, but overall I find them very meh
Also if you don’t like mushrooms because of the texture,
I think mushrooms get a bad rap. People talk about the dirt they're in being grown in feces, like it's any different than every other crop that's grown. Potatoes are grown up close and personal in soil too and soil isn't clean :)
We might find there's a flavor component like cilantro that some can taste. Or maybe they just don't like the idea of the grown in soil and hard to clean, or maybe they don't like that we're eating the repuductive organs.
my brother-in-law hates them, but loves my mashed potato dish that loaded down. I just reduce mushrooms, garlic, and onions in butter until they're about to start to get firm then blitz them to slightly chunky gravy, stir that back into refrigerated looosely smashed potatoes, with some soft butter and a little chicken bone broth. When i'm done the flavor is still there, but it's a background note to the potato/butter/chicken
Tomatoes are biologically fruit, but culinarily they are a vegetable.
You wouldn't expect them to put an orange slice on your burger because you asked for some veg, would you? But you'd expect tomatoes, tomatoes are veg outside of any scientific context. Language is fickle. Life is complicated. Reality defies categorization.
The thing is fruit/vegetable is not a category in botany. Fruit exists, and it kinda has that definition, that it carries seeds, but that doesn't serve to distinguish it from vegetables.
Fruit/vegetable is a culinary distinction, rather than a scientific one.
And this is the whole point of the controversy: The same word can have multiple meanings in different contexts and some people have trouble with that concept.
When people say that they are wrong. There are two different definitions for the word "fruit". They're homonyms for completely different words. It's like if i ask you: Which is lighter, a black Mini Cooper, or a white Hummer? Depends on which definition of "lighter" you're asking about
People putting things into salads need to chill out.
Tomatoes, cucumbers, mushrooms, salt, pepper, bacon, eggs, dressing, croutons, cheese, olives, olive oil, vinegar, peppers, salsa, chicken, steak, tortilla chips, limes, chow mien noodles, etc. are all things one might put in a salad that aren’t vegetables. You don’t have to label everything vegetables just because there’s some lettuce in there.
Why are fruit special though? Leaves and roots are also part of a plant, so why would a tomato not be a vegetable, but lettuce (leaf) and carrot (root) get exemptions?
"Vegetable" is a culinary term. It does not mean "plant", it is not the opposite of the botanical "fruit". It means "We use this in culinary traditions similarly to other vegetables".
Pumpkin, Squash and Mushrooms all fit into soup and not into fruit salads, so they're all vegetables. Cucumbers are veggies for fitting into actual salads, though they're only like a few good decades of selective breeding away from being full culinary fruits. These are not exact definitions, but, like most things in life, messy definitions are often the more useful ones.
Since "vegetable" only has a definition as a culinary term, I really don't get why people get so hung up on it. It's not like "nut" or "berry", whose culinary a botanical definitions couldn't be in more of a disagreement.
In spanish tomatoes are called "hortalizas", the others are "verduras" apart of "frutas", fruits, in english only traduced with vegetables and fruits. Maybe because Spain has a better food culture. Mushrooms are something in between plants and animals in a separate genre, some even are actively moving to find food.
The US anyway differences only protein, sugar and decoration, tomatoes in bottles from Heinz.
Vegetables aren’t real. They made up the classification just to sell things that aren’t fruits.
Big Celery just trying to legitimize crunchy water
I could go for some refreshingly crunchy big celery right now
Maybe dipped in some oily legume seed paste that has a name including -nut but isn't one
Same with nuts. Botanically, not a thing.
johnny is human tho
Now this a QAnon theory I can align with. #finally
I get accidentally double posting, how did you triple post?
Now this a QAnon theory I can align with. #finally
Now this a QAnon theory I can align with. #finally
FFTFY:
Not fixed as 'content not viewable in your region'
You need to be in a better region.
Don't we all
Fixed now?
Yes!
The fuck region are you in?
UK
I can see it fine, also UK
VPNs are cheap
Yeah I knew mushrooms were shady shit since when they snuck in with the badgers. Nobody batted an eye back then and look at where we are now.
I always categorized them as a snake
Big Mushroom is taking the slow play, and frankly, it's impressive
Why you hatin' on mushrooms? They're a fungi, if you get to know 'em
Fruit has a botanical and a culinary definition.
Vegetable only has a culinary definition.
Trying to decide on what food fits which category purely on the botanical definition of fruit is silly. In many other languages, the botanical and culinary definition even use completely different words. It's like saying lobster is red meat using a scientific definition of red.
But if we are having fun with this, rhubarb: definitely no fruit, but far too sweet, too often consumed raw or minimally processed, and far too at home in a yoghurt to fit nicely into the group vegetable.
Rhubarb’s just sour celery
I do love sour celery mush on my pancakes.
Oh boy, another reason to hate rhubarb.
Also, you want a sweet vegetable? Sugar beet.
raw unprocessed sugar cane is delicious
THANK YOU
Well vegetable used to be used sometimes to mean "plant".
Most people don't really understand how words work.
Vegetation. It's right there in the root lol you're 100% correct with people not getting how words work
It's fair enough to call things different to what that actually are. Vegetables in common language just means the stuff treated as vegetables in the kitchen. Calling all the things that are actually fruit fruit isn't really useful in the kitchen. I don't want tomato or pumpkin or cucumber in a fruit salad
Likewise with berries. Using the scientific names isn't useful in the kitchen, strawberries, blueberries, blackberries are all used similarly, despite only one of those is technically a berry
it becomes somewhat interesting when fruit is differently taxed then vegetables.
As was the case in a Supreme Court Ruling:
Nix v. Hedden, 149 U.S. 304 (1893), is a decision by the Supreme Court of the United States in which the Court unanimously held that tomatoes should be classified as vegetables rather than fruits for purposes of tariffs, imports and custom
Having both definition of the same word that can be confused with each other is also silly, the culinary definition should find a new word.
We just ignoring the mushrooms are also fruit(ing bodie)s?
I was going to bring it up if no one else did
I'm sorry, who exactly is out here calling mushrooms vegetables??
If it goes in soup, it's a vegetable. If it goes in Sangria, it's a fruit.
Next question please.
Chicken and beef go in soup.
Therefore, chicken and beef is vegetables.
Checkmate, vegans!
Soup is just beef tea
Assuming you like eating chicken, when is it wrong to pair chicken with vegetables? I made a vegetable-mushroom-chicken soup last week and it was delish. Whether chicken is or isn't a vegetable is an academic concern, not a culinary one.
Try putting mushrooms or chicken in the sangria however and you'll be rightfully prosecuted for crimes against humanity.
Hmmm. Since breakfast cereal is demonstrably soup, that makes strawberries, Cheerios, and Reese's Puffs all vegetables. Good to know.
Oh, fun! The debate over the culinary vs botanical meaning of fruit intersecting with the debate of culinary vs topological meaning of soup.
Breakfast cereal is soup[topological] but not soup[culinary]. It is therefore not a contradiction for it to be fruit[culinary].
As some said once, a vanilla soy latte is technically a 3 bean soup
Would it be soup or broth? Soup typically has something besides liquid to it afaik
Great word, topological.
So water, salt, cheese, meat, and noodles are all vegetables?
Water is debatable, everything else why not. If a recipe is generic enough to call for "vegetables", you wouldn't be wrong to include any of those things.
So a roasted chicken is a vegetable?
Is water a fruit or a vegetable
If it is from a plant and it goes into fruit salad, it's fruit
As always, science sets us free.
I absolutely call them vegetables. It's a kitchen term and it absolutely makes sense to categorise them alongside tomatoes, beans, carrots, squash and cabbage. People get too hung up on things only belonging to exactly one category.
Take a piece of paper with 3 squares drawn on it
And hand a person a picture of an apple, tomato, pepper, cucumber, pork cutlet, and mushroom and ask them to put the pictures into the squares and then label each square
Average person will definitely label a box as vegetables and put the mushrooms in it
Well if you tell me to use only three categories and one of them will obviously be "meat", then I won't put them with apples.
One box labeled "Brown when cooked properly". Then mushrooms can go in the box with the apples and cutlets.
That sign can't stop me because I can't cook (let alone properly).
Box labeled "burnt to a crisp" and put everything in it.
Apple, tomato, peppers, and cucumbers are all fruits
Mushrooms are mushrooms
Pork is meat
But if you give the average person those it’s much more likely they will make the categories fruits, vegetables, and meat and put mushrooms in the vegetable category
Why are we starting this scenario with the arbitrary restriction of 3? Yes, if you give people any number of items and tell them there is a finite number of categories, they were will find a way to divide those items into three. That doesn't mean they wouldn't come up with a more compelling argument for their choices when told to divide into 4 groups.
At no point have our options ever only been "fruit or vegetable," but yeah I guess if you tell people those are their only choices of course they'll adhere. But like... I've never known anyone who though those were the only choices?
The point is that may people will instinctually call mushrooms a vegetable
If we take that same example and add 4 categories and then add milk as another item I am still willing to bet the average person will put mushrooms as a vegetable and make the categories fruit vegetable dairy meat even though vegetables aren’t real and you could have a category of animal products.
Now if you only quiz the biology majors you might get a different result but in the U.S. only 38% of people are college educated and the most common major is business
I have no college credits and I would never call a mushroom a vegetable
I believe, it's a US thing. This is a quote from the official Dietary Guidelines for Americans (DGA):
Source: https://www.dietaryguidelines.gov/sites/default/files/2021-03/Dietary_Guidelines_for_Americans-2020-2025.pdf (page 28)
I've read elsewhere that the reason for the DGA to conflate them, is because mushrooms have comparable nutrients to vegetables. So, from a dietary and regulatory viewpoint, it makes some amount of sense. But yeah, I feel like you could have just had a category "vegetables & mushrooms".
I am American.
Most everyone.
I know this is probably a repost but the self-censorship is super annoying and has entered the lexicon in ways that can permanently damage human communication as a whole.
Yeah sure censor stuff from kid shows but we're at the point where "unalive" and "pdf file" are being used as code words. Everyone knows what they mean, even the censors.
100% agree, we live in a 1984 age.
Also, using stupid words such as unalive doesn't make any sense because the algorithm of social media companies knows exactly what it means.
Its coming from Tiktok. Bytedance has heavy word censorship and if one of your comments or videos was flagged as inappropriate and had one of those words your account would be automatically suspended for review.
So a lot of normal westerm words got flagged. Kill. Dead. Any word related to sex. Hole. (Lol) basically every curse word.
Then there are gray words like Pedophile where people think it changes the algorithm to show your videos less if they contain them, but no one has any proof from what I can tell.
I use things like "he has chosen to meet his ancestors right then and there"
It's also extremely weird because people often just default to the "hidden meaning" completely ignoring context. There were so many instances where I was being shouted at for writing "CP" on the Cyberpunk subreddit, it was just weird...
It's annoying that its driven by ad revenues, and made more dumb by the fact that if everyone can decode it, then they're still advertising over sex and violence. So the whole endeavor is pointless.
But I don't think it will cause any harm. Humans have been using slang, code, and memetic language to obscure meaning from others and identify their in-crowds since the dawn of human language. Some of it is dumber than others, but it won't cause any harm.
There is absolutely no chance that this idiotic self censorship can permanently damage human communication.
My wife and I like to joke that vegetables aren't real and all of them are just something else in reality.
You're correct! "Vegetable" is a culinary term. "Fruit" is both botanical and culinary. The "tomato isn't a fruit" nonsense comes from people trying to conflate the two; if we called botanical fruits "grunkles" we wouldn't have this problem.
All in favor of renaming botanical fruits to "gruntled"?
Aye
Edit: God damn you, autocorrect
https://www.reddit.com/r/dropout/comments/1crzui9/dropout_rising_vegetables_do_not_exist/
There certainly are feelings associated with the fact that we can analyze the DNA of rots
VEGETABLES DO NOT EXIST
I have a simple flowchart to determine what is or isn't a veggie:
> Can I eat it? -> Yes -> Does it come from an animal? -> No = Vegetable
Rice, my favorite vegetable.
... Is it not?
Being a grain (or even specifically a "Cereal grain") doesn't exclude it, see corn.
Sand has a lot of minerals in it. Probably the healthiest veggie of them all!
That’s why they call you the bread man.
I mostly agree, but there's a few holes in that flowchart:
My favorite vegetables are salt and ice.
Rocks are vegetables nodnod
Gushers are vegetables, got it.
Behold a vegetable
Ahh Diogenes the greatest philosopher
I also add: Does it taste good?
I do this because of cranberries. I do not eat anything that you can make candles or soap from......
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nix_v._Hedden
Intelligence is knowing tomatoes are a fruit
Wisdom is knowing to never add it to a fruit salad
Fruit salads are an abomination anyway. It's like someone was going to make smoothies and their blender broke. A tomato in a fruit salad doesn't seem any crazier than some of the other things in those anyway.
I'd argue they're less of an abomination than the "salad" that requires jello and cottage cheese
Salads with eggs are the worst though, can we agree?
Nope. Eggs are delicious. Swords at dawn?
Tell you what, you bring your worst salad, and I'll bring mine. I think I have some chicken salad that's been in the fridge for a few months that the partner forgot about.
Oh no, I recently cleaned out my fridge. You win?
I think the only winning move was not to play. Excuse me while I go throw out a salad and try to keep my lunch down.
Excuse me, it's smoothies that are an abomination, if anything.
You've got beautiful fruit where each bite tastes and feels different, which have long fibers with structural integrity to prevent your stomach from ingesting the sugar all at once, and then you decide:
Nah, I'd rather have fruit soup, where the whole thing just has a singular monotonous taste. And where there's nothing to chew. Just sign me up for the retirement home now.
Whoah, calm down, killer. I am in the same camp as you with smoothies. I just think fruit salads are worse. Smoothies (not made at home) at least usually take into account how flavors should blend together.
I was overplaying it for comedic effect. 🙃
My mum makes fruit salad with oranges, apples, bananas and then adds in apple juice to make it blend well.
Your mom's nuts. Oranges and bananas? green faced emoji
fucking fucking
In terms of botany, a vegetable isn't a thing (it's a culinary term).
Whereas a fruit has a specific botanical term (and a culinary term).
Not everything is "one or the other", some things are neither (Rhubarb), and some are both (tomato).
You can't say "both" when there are three choices
Youre absolutely correct
It's the difference between the culinary use of the word and the biological use of the word. I thought we already figured that out?
Still a fun observation in relation to mushrooms.
The thing is too that mushrooms don't even cook like vegetables or even like a protein or anything. So not only are they not botanically vegetables, they aren't even culinarily vegetables either.
Also if you don't like mushrooms because of the texture, you're probably cooking your mushrooms wrong.
I just think mushrooms taste like shit, meh at best, not a texture thing.
Is that just the normal ones you find at the grocery store, or have you tried other types? I think oyster mushrooms are really good when you fry them until they are crispy. Lion's mane is really good too, I like to make vegan pulled pork with them. The flavor of some foraged ones are also amazing like chantarell and black trumpets. Chicken of the woods also tastes and kinda feels like lemony dry chicken. There's soooo many great mushrooms
Have tried all the ones you mentioned and many more over my years, I grew up amongst old world hippies, have eaten many a mushroom, wish I had the taste for them, just don't really. Some are def better than others, but overall I find them very meh
Morels are pretty good too. My grandma used to deep fry them.
I mean there's only hundreds of them, you have tried them all right?
It's like saying I don't like all meat because you dislike snake jerky.
I think mushrooms get a bad rap. People talk about the dirt they're in being grown in feces, like it's any different than every other crop that's grown. Potatoes are grown up close and personal in soil too and soil isn't clean :)
We might find there's a flavor component like cilantro that some can taste. Or maybe they just don't like the idea of the grown in soil and hard to clean, or maybe they don't like that we're eating the repuductive organs.
my brother-in-law hates them, but loves my mashed potato dish that loaded down. I just reduce mushrooms, garlic, and onions in butter until they're about to start to get firm then blitz them to slightly chunky gravy, stir that back into refrigerated looosely smashed potatoes, with some soft butter and a little chicken bone broth. When i'm done the flavor is still there, but it's a background note to the potato/butter/chicken
Mushrooms are detachable fungal penises that jizz into the wind.
What an inspiration to us all
That’s cool. I like that I’m sucking off cooked rudimentary peni.
As you should.
Tomatoes are biologically fruit, but culinarily they are a vegetable.
You wouldn't expect them to put an orange slice on your burger because you asked for some veg, would you? But you'd expect tomatoes, tomatoes are veg outside of any scientific context. Language is fickle. Life is complicated. Reality defies categorization.
I had always learned if it has seeds (in nature) then it was a fruit, otherwise it was a vegetable or something else
The definition strictly is "fruiting body", that their flower head goes through a process of becoming a fruiting body
Many vegetables have seeds.
Pumpkins are already in the example, but think peppers, legumes
I would still consider those fruits tbh, but yea they do draw the line
The thing is fruit/vegetable is not a category in botany. Fruit exists, and it kinda has that definition, that it carries seeds, but that doesn't serve to distinguish it from vegetables.
Fruit/vegetable is a culinary distinction, rather than a scientific one.
And this is the whole point of the controversy: The same word can have multiple meanings in different contexts and some people have trouble with that concept.
There's no controversy, only differing categories.
If you are saying tomato is a fruit, you are using the botany category
When I say tomato is a vegetable, I am using the culinary category
If there's argument it's only because someone is keeping the category secret
... that's what I was saying.
Glad of it
When people say that they are wrong. There are two different definitions for the word "fruit". They're homonyms for completely different words. It's like if i ask you: Which is lighter, a black Mini Cooper, or a white Hummer? Depends on which definition of "lighter" you're asking about
But I hardly know 'er!
All fruits are vegetables.
all fruits are fucking vegetables... oh wait
fucking fucking
The fucking mushrooms.
vegetable fruit discourse is fucking stupid. just call'em edibles if we're not getting into the scientifically proven specifics.
What? Who’s calling pumpkins, squashes, and cucumbers vegetables?
And no one calls mushrooms vegetables: mushrooms are mushrooms.
People putting them in salads, for one.
People putting things into salads need to chill out.
Tomatoes, cucumbers, mushrooms, salt, pepper, bacon, eggs, dressing, croutons, cheese, olives, olive oil, vinegar, peppers, salsa, chicken, steak, tortilla chips, limes, chow mien noodles, etc. are all things one might put in a salad that aren’t vegetables. You don’t have to label everything vegetables just because there’s some lettuce in there.
What exactly is a vegetable, by your definition?
As others point out, vegetable is a culinary term; fruit is a botanical and culinary term.
Any edible non-fruit part of a plant. I’ll also make exceptions for nonstandard fruits like pods and kernels.
Why are fruit special though? Leaves and roots are also part of a plant, so why would a tomato not be a vegetable, but lettuce (leaf) and carrot (root) get exemptions?
Because we all collectively decided fruit were their own thing? They’re the juicy snack plants give away to trick animals into spreading their seeds.
I’m not sure why the ancient chefs decided to be silly. They should have just called it all “plants” and be done with it.
As the other comment implied, salads are a poor gauge as to whether something is treated as a vegetable.
Better to use a crudité. And button mushrooms (which are the same species as portabello!) belong in a crudité.
"Vegetable" is a culinary term. It does not mean "plant", it is not the opposite of the botanical "fruit". It means "We use this in culinary traditions similarly to other vegetables".
Pumpkin, Squash and Mushrooms all fit into soup and not into fruit salads, so they're all vegetables. Cucumbers are veggies for fitting into actual salads, though they're only like a few good decades of selective breeding away from being full culinary fruits. These are not exact definitions, but, like most things in life, messy definitions are often the more useful ones.
Since "vegetable" only has a definition as a culinary term, I really don't get why people get so hung up on it. It's not like "nut" or "berry", whose culinary a botanical definitions couldn't be in more of a disagreement.
Badgers.
Mushroom mushroom.
Cucumbers are too vegetablish. They're like gourds.
Legislators, to tax them more
First of all, cucumbers get the same flack, and those are actually green.
Tomatoes will always be a vegetable to me. And I base that entirely on vibes.
In spanish tomatoes are called "hortalizas", the others are "verduras" apart of "frutas", fruits, in english only traduced with vegetables and fruits. Maybe because Spain has a better food culture. Mushrooms are something in between plants and animals in a separate genre, some even are actively moving to find food. The US anyway differences only protein, sugar and decoration, tomatoes in bottles from Heinz.
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I dont like mushrooms, maybe this is why... :)
Some mushrooms are nice. Some are cold hearted killers.
https://youtu.be/PnsfRWaDL-E
I laughed out loud for being downvoted for not liking mushrooms. Lol. :)
How about shrimps and lobsters sneaking into the animal club while they are insects? Cockroaches of the sea and shit. Nah mean?
You don’t believe that insects are animals? Did you think they were plants?
And more importantly, shrimp and lobsters aren't even insects in the first place
Even worse, "gross lil critters"
Cockroaches are animals too
Shrimps and lobsters shells are made of chitin. Mushrooms are also made of chitin. Coincidence?