Chicago fighting ICE
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Unmarked vehicle. Masked. Only 2 of them, one not in uniform. Yeah, this isn't a lawful arrest. This is a kidnapping.
You are on the wrong side of history, and nobody will remember you. You will be forgotten as the pigs you are.
Uniform? I see nothing I can't buy on Amazon. Won't say what I'm prepared to do, but I'm not watching a kidnapping go down.
Yeah, I don't even think that was the real ICE. ICE carries M16s or M4s, not sure, but between the two of them you don't see a single weapon? This is absolutely an unlawful kidnapping. And we're they driving a Nissan? No fucking way ice rolls out with only two guys in a Nissan.
Guy in green has a gun, but they're definitely just kidnappers in cosplay
NGL, that shit looks like an airsoft replica, and if he's the only armed one in the dumpster twins, why not drop that to nil? 🤷🏼♂️
They had a black Subaru Crosstrek in the video of when the crashed into 2 brothers in a truck, then arrested them.
They’re using rental cars not to try and blend in. Be aware of this, but still do what you can to stop kidnappings.
The only time US has been in right side of history is when they were forced into it.
Well, they're on the Reich side now. 🤌🏼
I'd rather these scumfucks were never forgotten, or forgiven. Their identities should be immortalized
The guy the arrested was fat too, but clearly he actually fucking worked in his life.
He was able to resist those pieces of shit until they gave up.
No one attacked them and just heckled the shit out of them. Couldn't subdue one man between the two of them, then ran away when the realized the world still thinks they are pieces of shit.
They looked like some sort of local chapter militiamen dipshits. Fucking meal team 6, wannabe warriors that probably even get turned down by their own hands.
Arrested? No. They assaulted him and ran away.
Good point.
Idk if anyone will find this more useful than I, but the Nissan's VIN is 5N1BT3BB1SC775713
Why did no one take any of the infinite opportunities to take the green dude’s mask off from behind? He’s definitely bolting if that happens, real ICE or not. And with rulings from judges against wearing them, I’d think you have decent legal standing even in the slim chance something comes of it.
My thoughts exactly. You want them to leave quickly? Rip off their mask and run away. When their faces start circulating and later retribution can be delivered, then you'll see progress.
Exactly. Lots of people think this probably wasn’t legit ICE anyway, not that any is legit.
As much as I may want to assault them, I’m not going to pretend I’m actually brave enough. But I would 100% risk pulling that mask off while he’s riding the victim like a horse.
"Legit ICE" seems like an oxymoron at this point, but I get what you're saying.
TBF, let them pull their own mask down for you. Creatively and rapidly apply a volume of water atop their heads and all of a sudden: that mask is an instant waterboarding cosplay.
Ain't nobody breathing through freshly wetted fabric. 🤷🏼♂️
Shit, make it any liquid (coffee, juice, wiper fluid, piss, etc) and they're gonna be sticky/oily/stinky/gross on top of wet, too.
You're welcome. 😘
The chances one would have to do that would likely be while they're attempting to ride an innocent like a horsey. Best to avoid dousing unintended recipients with anything gross in that case, although I'm sure they'd be somewhat relieved to be free, albeit covered in piss.
Personally, I'd take piss over pork especially if it caused the latter to squeal and whine and let me go. 🫡
They were walking the line of getting shot. I'm strong enough to have grabbed them by the belt and neck collar and tossed them to the side, but reaching for the belt would look like reaching for the gun.
And nobody keyed that ICE rental car?
Hmmm...
I would have snipped at least one valve stem with the pliers I usually have in my car. And I would have been sorely tempted to pull one of those pudgy Nazis off that poor dude.
Hell, just pull the mask
and get shot.
Easier to get the mask wet from a safe distance. Considering how long this clusterfuck sideshow went on, any one of those bystanders could've pissed into an empty soda bottle or something to dump on the pigs' heads/squeeze into their mouths... Watch 'em scramble and scurry then!
make sure its vineger spray.
or sabotage the brakes.
Don't forget to bring your lentils
or slashed thier tires.
?
That was ice?
I saw two criminals assaulting a random innocent person and trying to kidnap him. Assault service of course provided by the "I wanna have the Nobel Peace Prize" president
Holy shit, those were the sketchiest-looking, least-trained, pudgiest, definitely-not-trained, mother-fuckiest, federal agents I've ever seen! Definitely not two racist, assholes from bumfucktucky recruited in the last 6 weeks to drive around in a rental car harassing brown people!
Jesus christ
Fuck ICE
Give 'em a break. They just got out of prison a few months ago.
I highly doubt that was ICE, honestly.
That was amazing! I cheered out loud when I saw them give up!!!!
They're not just fascists, they are also cowards.
Mall cops have better handcuffing skills than these chucklefucks. Do they literally have zero training?
BYOTM
Suggestion. If you see something like this happening, there's enough people in ICE's face and no one's in the car, cut the valve stems. They're made of fairly soft rubber. If they do drag their victim in, they won't get far. Hell, if you see an ICE car parked somewhere, prop a nail under the tire so it punches as they leave.
Not an American but thinking to go back to my childhood and these are the fuckers you would 100% know live in your neighborhood and you would slash their tires. It's illegal and it's petty but it felt so good.doing it. Hell even just key their car is worthwhile.
ACAB is ACAB the world around, but these fuckers aren't even locals. It's not uncommon for authoritarians to use non locals to enforce their bullshit because locals are more likely to side with their neighbors at a certain point.
The cars are likely rentals, so at the end of the day you’re just damaging someone else’s stuff.
Which will hopefully incentivize them to not rent to ICE
Really wish they would've censored the good Samaritans' faces.
Amazing to see this but I would not want to be caught on video interfering.
Get cancer, Nazis.
Shocked that nobody stole the car, or fucking kicked one of those Nazis in the face.
Or just take the keys
Toss into the nearest sewer opening
They're Americans, but they're learning.
kinda surprised their hamstrings didn't get cut with a pocket knife or their ankles hacked at with a hatchet
Americans are too cowardly to throw a punch to save their country.
Its just the least effective thing you could do. You would be better off unmasking or slashing their tires. Both will impact them significantly more and come with way smaller charges if you end up in front of a judge.
Hey, I’d be content to see that at the least
why is it always a lemmy.ca user begging Americans to fight?
don't you have your own country to fuck up?
Because we’ve been telling you for decades this was exactly the path you were on, and now, because instead of doing something about it and instead getting belligerent and shitty and responding EXACTLY the way you’re responding now, your completely avoidable fuckups and subsequent inaction is directly threatening the rest of us.
Nothing more American than endlessly congratulating yourselves on being the center of the universe and then disingenuously suggesting everyone else should just ignore the threat you pose and mind our own business.
that's nice. I'm so happy that Canadians feel free enough to follow US politics.
can't say the same though. I really can't focus on more than one shithole country.
all I know about Canada is
well, that and the fact that Canada is in the same place the US was in 2016. maybe you should pay closer attention to your own shithole country before you start telling my shithole country how to act eh?
There’s that damn-near scripted American response we’ve all heard for decades. It’s always cute to see how you try to frame not knowing things as some kind of a flex.
it's almost as if I'm not claiming to be an opinionated prick about things I know nothing about because I am too busy dealing with my own shit.
sad that you can't say the same.
Cool. When they’re putting you in an unmarked van you can comfort yourself with the memory of really feeling superior to some opinionated prick on the internet who suggested you do something to prevent it.
Why is someone with clearly zero training or physical ability allowed to wear the word "POLICE" like that?
Jeeeesus, spent all that time going at it like a couple walruses on a beach and didn't even get the guy.
I can't believe I just watched that many people for that long do absolutely fuck all.
In my country, within seconds, people would be running in from off-screen and absolutely wailing on those two. And they'd relish doing it.
A nation of sheep gripped by fear, controlled by whoever wants it.
The problem is the people standing around don't want to become victims themselves. I was wishing they'd do more through the whole video but, if they did, they're running the risk of a 20+ year prison sentence.
That said, I think there is plenty of plausible deniability here. There is nothing to say these two are actually officers. Only one of them is in "uniform" and that uniform is something anyone could buy.
That's what I was thinking - much as I wanted them to do more, it looked like the bystanders were being careful to do everything they could that wouldn't invite immediate escalation - making clear they were filming, moving dropped material away when they got a chance, and generally slowing down the whole process considerably.
Neither of which have a firearm. One dude doesn't have a vest and neither have helmets, and they're driving a Nissan Rogue. No fucking way that was ICE.
The guy in green has a pistol
That he started to reach for but stopped. Maybe it wasn't real? Maybe not legitimate agents?
Or he counted how many others were around
We get shot by our police here A LOT. It's really hard.
The first tool an American cop uses is their gun. The first tool.
You do not understand that this is not your country, clearly.
There are cameras everywhere. Anyone not prepared to mask themselves could easily be arrested later by police.
In top of this, Trump wants violence. When things are solved like this, without violence, Trump gets more frustrated and angry... And he resorts to using footage from years ago to try to anger his base, which is already very disillusioned with him over a number of things (Epstein files, Tarrifs, Qatar military base.)
What happened here was smart. What you are suggesting is destructive to our country.
Non-violence has worked so well for the past two decades, congratulations.
If it's any consolation, as a US-ian watching this, my mind was racing through all the things I wanted to do. The kidnappers are all-in focusing on the victim, with stress probably fogging up their brains. Anyone with an iota of mental discipline and a moment to strategize would have an advantage over them.
I kept thinking how easy it would probably be to remove their masks and sunglasses. Their hands are full, what are they gonna do? They could let go of the victim (win!) to re-cover their faces, or they could let their faces be visible (smaller win) and whatever comes of that, comes of that.
Then I remembered that I've got pepper spray, and this video may be the kick I need to actually start carrying it full-time.
At second 46/47 you can see how one of the agents grabbed to his weapon (not pulling it) without pretty much any hesitation.
So it foors like if they werent in such a public space they would have definetly used it (and if its only for scaring)
If Americans haven't stood up for themselves by now, they never will. It's pretty GG.
Came here to say this. Good they do something I guess, but Jesus fuck doods they do the bare minimum that passes as 'something'.
Nation of sheep is right.
I agree and I don't want to start a fight, but Pussy is a strange insult.
They are cowards. And calling them that carries more weight to be honest.
Calling someone a pussy is comparing them to folks genitals. And if you've ever seen someone give birth, you know pussies are far braver than dicks.
I always thought it came from pussy(cat), like scaredy-cat
Also, fun fact! The word "puss" for cat probably comes from "pspsps"
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/puss
It may come from that but the playground bully usage is similar to don't be a girl.
https://goodmenproject.com/featured-content/raising-compassionate-boys-dont-pussy-kzh/
pusillanimous - lacking courage, cowardly
https://languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu/nll/?p=24012
It’s from the word pusillanimous
They have hired the fucking bottom basement, ignorant, fascist wannabe, dumb asses.
So basically Trump supporters.
I highly doubt these men were paid by the government. No M16 or M4, no helmet and vest for home boy, foreign vehicle. These were right wing psychopath kidnappers.
Real ICE is really that much of a clown show now.
If they really had the law why would they have given up?
They were afraid that real cops would show up and figure out that they're not really ICE. There's no fucking way ICE operates a Nissan Rogue.
Ice is literally operating out of these vehicles. You are in denial.
They are renting vehicles to blen in
They do though
🔥🔥🔥
I'd like to see how putting a bullet in masked kidnappers who are not in police uniform and refuse to show badge numbers holds up or not in court. Like how is anyone going to know the difference? It's just self defense. Genuinely curious - is there precedent for that?
Only a matter of time before we find out.
Lol
Is it legal to murder kidnappers in the USA as a bystander?
Well, the Derossett case in 2019 confirmed that you can shoot plainclothes police who don't identify themselves if they're kidnapping someone from your home. Presumably that would extend to yourself too. Outside your property, I dunno. But as a bystander, there is tons of legal precedent that you can kill someone in the act of committing an armed robbery or some other forcible felony even if it's not directed at you, and that killing is not a crime. Murder, rape, and kidnapping also fall into this forcible felony category.
My best guess is a lower court would correctly conclude with a not guilty verdict, and it would keep getting appealed with a fast track to reaching the Supreme Court because ICE are a gang of losers. And then it depends on the can of worms that the Supreme Court is willing to open to appease their daddy.
There's no way that was ICE. NO US organization has ever bought a foreign vehicle for official use.
Ice is currently using civilian vehicles sometimes supplied by the ice team member them selves. Welcome to the USA.
BYO car, the Uber gig work version of DHS. They’re probably paid per brown person kidnapped as well.
Rentals and it is actually legal for them to obtain other vehicle types. It's always just a form away.
Who's renting to these guys? And how soon can we boycott them?
The VIN is in the comments here...
Usually government rentals are done through a single servicer contracted by the government that matches you with a rental company or they can be directly rented with a government credit card.
The issue here is it's basically every car rental place and there's not really a way for the rental place to check what branch of the government it is. It could be ICE, it could be the department of state, the national park service. So basically you would have to boycott every rental agency that rents to the government regardless of agency and that is effectively all of them
Fucking Proud Boys cos playing as ICE. These fuckers should be kidnapped instead.
oh man at 0:50 I wanted nothing more than to see somebody walk up behind that nazi bitch with steel toes and just fucking kick him in the nuts as hard as they could
what I don't understand is how we haven't seen terrorists like this get sucker punched from behind or something
Simple enough, people are scared, and rightfully so. These fucks will not respond to being attacked by retreating or attacking back, they'll start shooting to kill, both the attacker, and anyone they think might be even tangentially related.
Everyone in the video did really well - hinder them but don't touch them, it's assault to touch them, but if they slam into your body because they weren't paying attention, well that's on them. If you form a moving wall around them, they feel threatened. Honk and shout and video and they feel seen. This is how we fight back.
Yea, I was as frustrated as hell just watching it. The self control those on the ground had was unbelievable. And, that also shows others how to win. The thugs abducting people don't have that control. They are scared little people given a power they cannot control.
It's also a prime example of why I stay the fuck away from situations like this and protests, don't know if I could control my more violent instincts. Seeing folks distressed and being dragged around like that would probably trigger me a bit too much, then you have violent sociopathic Vaultdweller who care about nothing more than inflicting sadistic pain on his foes. Frankly speaking these folks are better than I ever will be.
Why are you letting this happen in your country?
LOL because ICE has been operating that way since at least 30 years, this didn't start overnight. If you didn't want a quasi-military force with no-warrant arrest powers, the time to complain was in the '90s.
Or you can blame Russia. That always works.
just not enough good people with a gun around, I guess
Was that guy trying to play mall cop kidnapper in Johnston and Murphy loafers?
God I hope this isn't AI. Fuck these fascist cowards.
I used to work security for racing events. Ive had to detain more than more fair share of assholes. I am not a good fighter, but I can pretty much anyone on the ground and restrained ready for pick up by the cops. What we saw here in this video, was a joke. That wasnt any kind of trained person looking to detain someone. That was as amateur as it gets. That was like a comedy skit of how undertrained these supposed ICE agents are.
If you see someone trying to restrain someone, and it looks like this. They are not professional people. They are more than likely MAGA ICE fanboys kidnapping someone. Defence of self and/or others applies. If you dont want to do that, call the cops. Report a kidnapping in progress. Lie if you want, and claim its a child abduction. They will come running then.