Kindergarten forced to back down after proposing to charge parents $2,200 for their own children’s art
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2025/sep/25/brisbane-kindergarten-craigslea-proposed-charging-parents-2200-for-their-own-childrens-art-forced-to-back-downOpen linkView original on lemmy.world269
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Before everyone piles on, it's probably worth understanding the context.
Yes, this was a daft idea, doomed to generate outrage, and outrage is an appropriate response.
However, as the article says, this non-profit was insolvent. This type of non-profit is not flying a CEO around in a private jet. Their entire budget for the year was $400k. Enough for rent, several staff, snacks and art supplies for kids.
The budget was very likely prepared by a volunteer, with limited skills and experience.
It's often also unclear what an organisation's total debts are. It's not at all uncommon to realise an error has been made in understanding an award or something and suddenly the centre owes 5 years back pay for underpaid over time or some such.
Suddenly the centre is insolvent and is required by law to cease it's activities.
At this point someone has had the misguided notion that the problem can be fixed by coercing parents to contribute towards the debts.
Explaining the problem to parents and asking for donations would've been fine, but obviously they wouldn't have received $40k in donations so it would've been unsuccessful.
Tying the request to the kids "art" is just poor taste all the way up and down.
So yeah, it's offensive, but it's not nefarious, and while it's really daft I can at least understand how it happened.
I did particularly like this:
Saying that in an indignant Australian accent makes it feel like it came straight out of some antipodean cringe-humor sitcom (FYI "Fisk" is pretty good!).
Maybe but it sounds like the current management committee inherited the problem. I'm dealing with that right now.
I certainly didn't mean to imply they're actually incorrect, just that presumably working to fix it was part of their mandate, and the frank admission that they didn't magically fix everything is kinda darkly funny.
Oh me neither. My wife liked Fisk I should give it a watch
And the $2,200 wasn't for each kids individual artwork, it was to produce a collective scrapbook from all the kids in the school, plus photos, etc.
$2,200 is still insane on a per-piece basis. It shouldn't cost more than $50 a piece depending on the size of the book. I could see $2,200 being printing costs for the whole run.
I work in ECE in Australia, and from this
They 100% mean printing out on the shitty work printer and pasting photos they took on their iPad alongside some pages of the "child's" (it was probably 95% the educator making it) artwork in one of those $3 black 48 paged A3 scrapbooks from OfficeWorks.
Our kid’s high school did the art compilation book. Hard cover was $150. Softcover $45. About 35 pages or so.
To add to that, it's in Australia and AU$2200 is about U$1500 / £1100 / €1250.
Average full time weekly wage is about $1,700 AUD before tax.
Amazing.
And due to higher living expenses we end up with less disposable income than Americans.
Considering how little disposable income most Americans I know have, you must be truly fucked.
So it was a fundraiser? Hm, I actually don't have a problem with that and I think it's a nicer (more creative if you will) option than - idk, simply asking for money.
I work in this area and underfunding is a constant companion. Add to that the abysmally low pay and the disregard for all the extra work educators do, I get positively pissed off that they get in trouble for trying to fix a bad situation. Probably, as you said, brought up as unpaid labor by someone who had no nefarious thought at all about the whole thing, just wanted to help. Apparently they were unaware of rules and regulations, is the worst I can say here.
Did parents step up and donate money anyhow? That is the real question.
Yeah. I feel like a little bit of finesse could've averted this disaster.
$40k debts is pretty manageable. If that's owed to the ATO for example, as soon as you get a payment arrangement (easy to obtain) then you're no longer "insolvent". Pay it off over 2 years, so you get 3x of this type of fundraiser.
Given the staff "walk out", it's possible that the money is owed to employees, which muddies the waters.
Instead of saying "everyone has to pay $2,200", they should have said...
It's still a long shot, but it's a better chance than trying to guilt every parent into paying $2,200.
Possibly. From experience, I can almost guarantee you that there's way more drama behind the story than the numbers show.
That's the read I got from the article too, but again I'm pretty sure the whole thing had a long prelude that also involved parents, so it didn't exactly come as a shock.
Yeah. Nothing like solvency issues to drag out a bit of drama is there.
Sadly, everyone involved in this fiasco is at best underpaid but more likely a volunteer.
That's only half of what I meant. Working with children & their parents, it tends to get very emotional. Or maybe I didn't get your phrasing; I'm not a native speaker.
Underpaid for sure.
Eh. It sounds like the thing is likely going out of business, and people are just batting around ideas to try to bring it back. Probably good odds that it won't happen.
Maybe the outrage from the story will help bring some attention to the issue, even
You're a glass half full kinda person, I like it.
Should have asked for $2200 to keep the 'artwork' at school. Instead of sending them home to take over fridge doors and every damn wall.
America?
Nope, Australia this time.
We're not having a good time with child care facilities ATM.
Pedos
Ah crap, here in Estonia our biggest problem is lack of availability, haven't heard the P-word being an issue. I'd consider it acceptable grounds for murder if someone touches a child in kindergarten.
Hope you guys get your stuff in order.
There's one case where at least 100 children under school age had to get tested for stds.... Murder is too nice of an action for them.
I think the Reek treatment is appropriate if you’ve seen GoT.
Australia
Upside-down rather than backwards, got it.