Trump has declared war on the transgender community, leaving Americans to seek asylum — from America
So we've reached the minorities-flee-the-country stage.
That was fast. It's getting Nazier by the minute in this motherfucker...
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The Netherlands, the country where Anne Frank famously hid from the Nazis. Which they now big up as a tourist attraction and evidence of their resistance to fascism. Now, likely going to bend the knee to fascism by sending modern-day Anne Frank back to the modern-day Nazis.
Fucking pathetic. No backbone, no courage, no morals.
The same, of course, can be said of my country as well.
Money, ignorance, ego, cruelty, hate, and idiocy rule the roost. Europe is not standing up to fascism as it should, but rather, embracing it. Forgetting all the lessons that were learned from the 1930s to 1945.
Netherlanders may have resisted, but their police were very compliant. (top of the wiki page)
Good luck finding a country with cops that wouldn't turn a minority person over for torture.
But what if you go to an EU country, then go to the US embassy, and renounce US Citizenship? Can you then try asylum? I mean they can't deport you back to the US if you have no citizenship, right?
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No. It doesnt work that way. Firstly to renounce US citizenship costs money (several thousand) and takes an onerous amount of paperwork including proof of tax returns. Then it takes the appropriate bureaucracies months to process the paperwork
Edit I forgot the secondly.
Secondly the US under current laws wont allow you to renounce until you prove you have a second citizenship
Seek asylum where? Canada? They're also slowly becoming more right wing and cracking down on immigration iirc. Which is unfortunate, since I might be forced to become a criminal to support my sister's right to exist
That's a false equivalence.
What USA is doing is beyond cracking down on immigration, USA is using Gestapo methods, rounding up people who are in USA legally, and the detained are not allowed to see a judge. It's completely outside the rules of the American constitution.
Huge difference from using legal means of deporting illegal immigrants, where they have a lawyer and a court decides according to the law of the land.
One is fascist methods, the other is not.
True, though it still makes it harder for my sister to seek asylum when they are cracking down on immigration, no? I didn't mean to imply that they are equivalent. Of course America is much, much worse.
However, since Canada also seems to be turning right, it'll more so be a move to delay the inevitable even if she is able to seek asylum. It'd be better than staying here at least, assuming America doesn't invade Canada for Lebensraum within 4 years.
Asylum and immigration are two different things.
I don't see that's relevant to OP's question.
Then you are blind. I'm pointing out a false equivalence in the comment I responded to. But since apparently it's possible not to be able to see that, I have now added it to my comment.
So the relevance is that Canada should not be excluded. Almost all industrialized countries are limiting immigration, but you can still seek asylum.
bill c2 is about to be passed, and its abhorrent, even to asylum seekers. look it up.
I don't think it's a false equivalence. The US is further along, but look at what is going on in other western nations and it's the same deal. Denying that just because the US is worse will only ensure it happens other places soon
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Sorry to get hung up on the headline - but what other country than America would Americans be seeking asylum from?
America is so hung up on people seeking asylum here that I think they wanted to emphasize that people are seeking asylum from America and not in America before people glossed over the story
Canada for one... Although as a trans person in Canada, I'm not sure how long it's gonna stay ok for us here.
I think a lot of trans people are going to come to Canada (and we should protect them), and then Canada will become a "terrorist threat" because of our harboring terrorists, and then the annexation happens.
On this trajectory we're on, I see it as an inevitability.
All Canadians should be preparing as if we will be at war relatively soon. Every single product you buy from an American company fuels fascism and the eventual takeover of Canada.
If nobody stops MAGA, trans, disabled and "leftist" Canadians are all at risk.
Don't want to be alarmist, more like I hope we all start preparing now in any way we can.
It’s not. It’s going to take time to unfuck ourselves, and in the millisecond world of social media that seems like way too long to hope. But the millisecond world of social media is wrong about that.
No sane rational person has anything but love and respect for Canada. It’s just that an astounding twenty percent of us, who voted, are not sane or rational. Just stupid as hell.
That would be an attack on the Commonwealth. USA won't do that, trump loves the king too.
A lot of people said Trump would not designate trans people as terrorists too. A lot of people said Trump would not open concentration camps too.
Nothing means anything if MAGA gets unchecked power. They're not there yet, but once the military confirms they will fight for Trump, it's over.
Nah, that was clearly something he was going to do, they wont stop until its only white christians.
I think it was a figure of speech to highlight how incredible it is that it's America's turn to become a godforsaken country from which a persecuted minority of the citizenry of feel compelled to flee.
The Heritage Foundation is a terrorist organization.
Someone in the EU needs to file a petition to classify the Heritage Foundation as a terrorist organization, maybe take the ADF and CitizenGo into it too.
And Fox news is a propaganda machine.
Most people can't afford to flee. There isn't anywhere that doesn't have a growing fascism threat at best right now.
These are just fantasies for the slim few with plane ticket money.
I really thought I would see more general solidarity here in the comments from other minorities or general populace, but no...
Also, it wasn't that fast to everyone who's been paying attention the last 10-20 years. It was called 'being paranoid.'
Anyway. Do I have to say it? Once they gays and the browns are all in the trafficking sector, people who thought they could beg, borrow, or negotiate with fascism will start to get disappointed to death.
None of those treaties ever worked out for the indigenous tribes.
Years of systemic job discrimination - almost every trans person will end up being a denied a job because they’re trans at some point - means that most trans people especially can’t afford to flee.
I don’t think any country would recognize us as refugees, yet or ever. So the only option is immigration, which is insanely expensive and complicated.
China, Vietnam, Laos, Bolivia, last I checked Colombia. I'd include Mexico and Venezuela, but their growing fascist threat is called "America"
The US passport is still incredibly strong.
To all my lgbt+ homies stay strapped. Armed minorities are harder to oppress
Not legal in a lot of states/cities without a license. Then you are trans and illegally carrying a gun. Great way to go to jail if you end up having to use it. Trans people in jail tend to get pink coded (pimped out by the gaurds to the violent prisoners to "keep them calm")
Edit: and that is not including the new implications of being deemed nve's and terrorists just for existing
Obviously get trained and a fucking license why would you assume they're saying do it illegally? it's so easy to do it legal and it's the default approach anyway.
How much does licensing cost? More or less than two utility bills?
Depends on state.
In California it costs $1,000
In Georgia it costs $80
So a utility bill or more. Oki.
I've never had a utility bill under $100, but honestly good for you for keeping your costs so low
Thanks? I'm just ballparking for the audience. Sometimes the youngs are up late reading these things. I used to write explainer articles, and it helps people so much to break things down into their real parts.
Good at you for... paying expensive bills ig? sorry -- I'm information oriented and feel like i've lost track of another part of the conversation?
Might be hard pressed to find a place willing to train you in todays climate if you are visibly trans....
I sometimes wonder if this is the source of the phrase "slippery slope" as an idiom.
Because once you start silencing public figures from having any ability to speak out against the administration, and you can viably see that there's no real backlash against the responsible parties (usually the government) to doing so, then it's easier to rally against nonconformists. Or doesn't matter who isn't conforming, just that they don't.
So anyone who is specifically a minority of the population, like the LGBTQIA+ community; there's a lot of you, but there's a fuckton more cis/straight people.... You all are different and therefore being branded as enemies of the state. They're just starting with trans people. Make no mistake that they're going to come after the rest of the rainbow, if they're left unchecked.
This is the reason why the LGBTQIA+ community and it's supporters exist, and everyone needs to realize that. When they come after one group, the rest of you aren't far behind. So you all need to stand up and protest this shit, as much and as loudly as you can. I'm not excluded from this, despite being cis/straight. I am an ally of the community and I'll fight shoulder to shoulder with all of you.
They've silenced or cancelled dissenting speech already. Now they're coming for the trans people. This needs to stop or America is just going to get more and more authoritarian over the next few years.
I'm not American, but I welcome any of our American friends who are fleeing and looking for asylum. I live in Canada and I want you all to be safe and happy. Whether that's fixing this shit in the USA, or vacating the states so it can become an inbred authoritarian hellscape. I promise that we have very similar amenities up here, without as many bigots. They still exist here, but not in the same qualities that are there.
At the same time, if you want us to help you fix your own country, you need only tell us what we can do to help.
I'm here for all of you. You're all valuable humans deserving of respect, life, liberty, and the freedom to be who you are. Whatever needs to happen to achieve that, I'm happy to help in any way I can.
I always thought the idiom "slippery slope" came from a muddy hill, possibly right after a fresh rain
Also, pretty sure the US is in freefall slide into facism already. That slope passed two elections ago.
Originally, that's probably how they started putting those words together in that order.
I'm talking about the idiom of it being applied to anything that isn't a literal slope that's slippery. Like using it to describe that doing thing a will very easily create a situation where another thing is likely to happen.
Eg: smoking weed is a slippery slope to using harder drugs.
(It's not, but I'm sure we've all heard some version of the above before.)
The only surprise is that it took this long. I'm actually quite surprised Taco 1.0 didn't unleash pogroms on trans in his first term, given how hopped-up these crazies were about where trans might relieve themselves.
I cannot even tell you how many Taco fans revealed who were they were when it came to that by the way, talking about how they might just pop on a wig and a dress so they can use the women's bathroom!!! I mean, wut.
Taco1 was a simple money grab. This time there is a raft of grifters riding the coattails. Some money-oriented but increasingly politico-nazis whoring their way up the power ladder. Taco2 could just as easily been anarcho-communists if only they were the first foot in the door. T remains a simple greed machine, doing the bidding of the highest bidder. But that also includes ass-kissing which counts more as T slips into dementia and looses his grip on the details.
Again, for now, one of the critical differences between any other authoritarian government and the US is we have access to firearms. Don’t allow the jackboots take you without a fight.
Yeah... Too bad the guys with the guns are the fascists.
Not all of them… in fact from my experience, very few of them.
They may be gun nuts but they aren't the only ones with interest in firearms. Plenty of non-right leaning folk are well trained in my experience.
It sure as hell is taking them a whole lot of time to shoot the pumpkin.
Too bad the dems convinced everyone left-of-center to disarm themselves and allow the police to arbitraily deny gun permits in blue jurisdictions. Oh, isn't it convienient that most non-whites live in democratic jurisdictions. A racist-ass white cop can deny a law abiding black man from getting a permit so thay he can defend his small store from potential nazis trying to attack his store, thanks a lot, democrats.
Dems should just drop the guns issue ffs, literally lost texas gubernatorial election over Beto's "We'll take your guns" rhetoric. And leftists (and liberals too) should've gotten armed a long time ago.
It's quite entertaining when I read your post, and you talk about how Dems should "drop the gun issue", and I have no idea what you mean by that. It could really go either way.
I mean, stop trying to do "gun control" when we have other issues to worry about like making life more affordable, universal socialized healthcare like many European Countries have, free college, fix voting rights, stop gerrymandering, and to combat the automation issue: Universal Basic Income that is tied to inflation (more inflation = increase UBI).
Fix all this, and gun violence ends.
The willful ignorance among you people used to be astounding.
Now, I've just come to expect it.
See no evil, hear no evil, etc.
There are rumblings from the administration to expand gun restrictions to trans individuals for mental health reasons. The second amendment is for everyone (2A4E). Get to know neighbors and be that Militia the Founding Fathers expected for a free State. If they can take guns from trans people, they can take guns from anyone.
Absolutely. I saw this headline and was rather surprised. Note the “for now” in my post. Trans people have been targeted the entire time during this administration. I said on Lemmy for trans people need to arm themselves, and I mean carry outside when they are interacting with society, because the gays were some of the first people snatched and put into concentration camps, the trans groups seem to be the first target this time.
Because I’m not some MAGAt I am personally concerned about my safety when out in public now, although my immediate area is pretty mixed racially and politically, I still live in a Trump state. How long until some kind of martial law is declared where I live? How long until some kind of political litmus test is given to be able to purchase goods? Have a job? Etc.
Honestly, I think it would make more sense to restrict access to guns for transpeople on the grounds that they might kill themselves.
Everyone who is anti-gun loves to say that gun owners are more likely to use it on themselves than a threat. Transpeople commit suicide at significantly higher rates than the rest of the population.
It's interesting how stances change when they suit an agenda.
Fight or flight. If not afforded flight then options become limited.
I know of people of all kinds, queer and trans, who have been fleeing the country as quietly as possible for several years now.
Other Americans not giving a fuck.
Everybody should give a fuck because, sadly, America has an outsized influence on the rest of the world.
If Luxemburg or Lichtenstein started oppressing trans people, nobody would give a fuck outside of Luxemburg and Lichtenstein. But when America does it, a lot of neo-Nazi fascist-adjacent ultra-religious nationalist crazies the world over feel empowered to try pushing the same shit in their own corner of the world.
I'm in Malaysia, am the person you're replying to, and I agree. Americans, though...
Trans people are a very small percentage of the population. Just the mere thought of "waging war" because that 1% of the population is scary to them should ring everyone's alarm bells. But americans seem so love to wage wars on people that scare them.
Recently talked to a scientist in Germany who said the job market has gotten more competitive because of all the american scientists who fled the US and came here.
Why do we accept the slippery slope fallacy here without question?
I can't help but think it's another tactic by a certain group to recruit as much support as possible. They don't argue in good faith, ever.
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Must be all the vaccines.
The picture here looks exactly like a kind, gentle person I'd never want to piss off. Speaking from fully in the red-zone of stereotyping, this person looks like someone who could, with a pleasant face, willfully vanish into a spirit realm and make my life miserable or straight up end it. This is not a person I want to piss off or Obi-Wan into becoming more powerful than I could possibly imagine.
Lol Icelandic sigil tattoo aka one of the most xenophobic nations on earth
If you don't know the name of that bindrune, you probably don't know what you're talking about.
You sound like you're holding a sippie cup.
That person would be rejected as fuck in Iceland
Saying as someone who tried 10 years to move there with blue eyes and blonde hair
Sorry, I study letters; Not international beauty standards.
You really don't see the irony?
That irony is very small coming from someone pointing and laughing at a sentence made of letters in a language they don't understand.
I think you're looking for a kind of conversation that won't be useful to me. I just didn't like such an ignorant opinion go uncorrected, just in case some kids are browing after himework, yk?
Anyway. Mabye revisit your dogwhistle list for a refresher. This is a multiuse vitality imbuement used by faithpractioners regardless of color. Maybe you could help the community out by knowing the difference.
Thebfolls referred tonin the article wont gwtt into Australia, we currently use concentration camps for refugees , off shore them onnMarinand forget about them .
You definetly won't get in as immigrants either.
Sorry to say we're arseholes and it's supported by the majoirty of politcans and the majority of voters.
Do you smell toast?
Oh for petes sake. Step outside your moms basement and touch grass you massive bellend.
I do actually! Thanks for asking and being interested! Also yes, you are correct, my reaction was very rational to your utterly awful comments. 👍
In my work capacity I've supported very lonely permanently online clusterfucks like yourself so can recognise your bullshit.
Ahh. Thanks again for the kind comments. 😇 Always great to receive that sort of thing from trolls, always impressed they can work a keyboard and spell.
Would you kindly share with us what your point is?
Literally the first thing about what you're trying to say. Like, I'm not following at all, can you explain what youre trying to say with the above comment?
Why would Syria et al. provide asylum to trans people fleeing the US?
Am I understanding correctly that you're saying nobody gets to feel unsafe as long as there's someone who's even more unsafe? Or are you saying something else?
I thought I understood what your point was and was ready to call you an idiot for it, and then I read this and I no longer understand what your point was. What exactly is wrong with queer people supporting Palestine in the active genocide being committed? What does that have to do with prosecution?
People like him pretend something doesn't make sense when they don't like what's being said.
Are you really this stupid or just ragebaiting?
He's clearly a troll, he's pretty racist too
Jump up your own ass loser, kick rocks back to Russia Seen this shit out in the open, fuck you
Stop glazing me
you should seek asylum in russia, I think you would like it there
bro who says get in the hellhole wants to throw hands when told to get in the hellhole