US agents are investigating the Charlie Kirk murder suspect's Steam account, but I'm not sure what 2,000 hours in Sea of Thieves is supposed to tell us
Jesus Christ, if true, what the holy incompetence.
https://www.pcgamer.com/gaming-industry/us-agents-are-investigating-the-charlie-kirk-murder-suspects-steam-account-but-im-not-sure-what-2-000-hours-in-sea-of-thieves-is-supposed-to-tell-us/Open linkView original on lemmy.world656
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it's supposed to connect 'steam' with 'extremism' instead of something like Twitter, Truth, or Fox to coincide with their recent 'fact finding mission'
Absolutely, here is RFK on Sept 10 saying they cause mass shootings. (Completely ignoring the ENTIRE WORLD OUTSIDE THE US)
https://www.newsweek.com/rfk-video-games-mass-shootings-gun-violence-2127808
Also Congress has called for the leaders of discord, steam, Reddit and twitch to come and testify about extremism.
https://www.engadget.com/social-media/house-committee-asks-discord-valve-twitch-and-reddit-to-testify-on-online-radicalization-184100470.html
I don't see any of the social media heads who donated to Trump's inaugural on that list.
Steam is very much connected to extremism. Far right extremisn to be precise.
Take a look at any Steam forum and you'll see. The reason is because Valve hardly ever hires moderators and delegates responsibility to the developer who created the game the forum is about.
I think German speaking Steam has a total of two global (i.e. paid by Valve) moderators? Not sure where I've heard this though.
This actually true, even though I swear it didn’t used to be like that. There are sooo many far right people on the forums and in the discussions. I was looking up a game where one of the female characters has the option to date her female friend. I went to the discussion tab to see if anyone knew what choices you had to pick to unlock it. A whole bunch of trolls calling the game “woke” and disgusting for hating an OPTIONAL story arc. Even on games like Life is Strange, which isn’t a new game and is pretty well known for having lgbtq elements, tons of far right people gay-bashing in the discussions tab.
Yup. It's utterly ridiculous.
I remember at least one steam group dedicated to determining the "woke" rating of games
That's unexplainable textile mill fires. Steam is connected to unexplainable textile mill fires, not
autismshit video games.I wish we lived in a time before videogames when there were no political assassinations or mass shootings.
/s <-- do I even need this?
Famous gamer John Wilkes Booth.
Brutus was way better at Halo
Not Fruit Ninja?
Lincoln ruined his killstreak and swatting wouldn't be invented for three more years, by famous inventor Thomas "I made up the N word" Edison.
No no, you're thinking of Charles Guiteau.
just leave it to someone who's gonna be french but not gonna be properly french to go and french things up
wouldnt those graphs look similar though, even if just by coincidence?
It seems they did need the /s ..
I mean, not really, since even its inclusion was ignored XD
If you're suggesting that political assassinations are more common in modern times, let me introduce you to the Life Details column of the List of Roman Emperors wiki page.
I bet he played violent video games, like Among Us
"It is a cruel, evil game that teaches decit and murder. That is why I don't let you play Clue, son."
Because it's saying "leftists play video games, rightists play and watch sports" without saying it. Same with the "serially online" thing.
Lol, just check out WoWs general chat to find as many right wingers as you want.
Yeah but that's not the perception uh people that think they're offline rightists have.
Ikr? Blog, content creation, videos, Facebook. Like they constantly are looking for everything they could possibly do online.
And lots of fps.
Or literally any fps. You dont even have to play things like CS or R6 to know, that shouting racial slurs into the voice Chat is relatively common in this games.
Would love some MAGA to say this to me. Then I whip their ass in any game or sport they want to play. Gravy Seals can get balled on.
I see. Video games cause violence. Guns had nothing to do with it. Mandatory id, facial scanning, and government reporting on all video game platforms is totally cool and justified. /s
You see, guns in video games, where nobody is hurt, are bad. Guns in reality are good.
It's a bad example, the gun in this case was good. Would have been great if just aimed 15 cm higher.
just needed more good guys with guns, obviously. Of course, the same doesn't work in vibeo games, because good guys don't play them. Checkmate, antifas
I'll give up modern gaming it failed for blizzard it'll fail .gov
Motivated by radical pirate ideology confirmed.
I blame Microsoft
Same.
Oh damn, he's one of those people... Sounds like the worst charge so far
I am more concerned that he logged like 3 work weeks worth of time playing "power washing simulator"
People under capitalism are so alienated from their work that they escape to something as mundane as Power Washing Simulator. Having a stable job with a modicum of satisfaction and control is a power fantasy nowadays.
Work in HVAC, I go home and play project zomboid. My fantasy is that everyone stops needing me and I can stay inside on a Tuesday and just read and eat sphaghetti straight out of the can.
I bet your room is the perfect room temperature.
People spend hundreds of hours driving transport truck simulations in traffic.
That's particular simulator game actually has you saving the world from some sort of Alien UFO time traveler conspiracy plot though doesn't it? It's not quite as mundane as some other simulator games like farming or truck driving sims.
I play space truck sim. Sometimes you just wanna chill and press clunky buttons. Do some really low stakes slow shit. I'm old though.
It's such a nice game to just chill and talk to friends
I am telling you that there is proof video games effect people. Ever notice how most people born in the 80s grew up and all became plumbers? I mean sure all the competition has driven costs down for all of us and with just a little work you can find a plumber that will do the work for free, but a lot of these plumbers can no longer support their families and are forced to live in sewers and fight turtles for food.
Holy shit they can give birth now?
The trick to using effect/affect is to use them interchangeably and at random, then you're bound to be right sometime. Or panic and use "impact" instead, like a coward.
Or you only ever use one spelling, to the same effect.. :p
Kinda what I do, I am dyslexic and if spell check says it's good I tend to miss that it is the wrong spelling of the word.
It's like scone and scone. I'll swap pronunciation mid sentence, just to throw people.
you know what we should make our own variation on the pastry and pronounce it scuhn
affect.
You affect things. Things have an effect.
Lifehack: just use the word impact instead.
You'd probably want to use a colon instead of a comma there.
Thanks. I never really got a good grasp on colon usage or the more nefarious semicolon.
:( Ah, I didn't mean to actually criticize you lol I was just running with the anal grammar nazi comment chain pattern. You're good, a comma works fine enough.
This is the one rule I get wrong every time
also you effect an effect
Isn't English great?
And the turtle with the stick is super OP compared to the rest.
But all of them have trouble swimming around dams.
all the trees are square now and I'm scared to go out at night.
That's a shitload of time in a game that has barely any content.
Games are about having a good time. If your idea of a good time is story and completionism, then sure, what a waste of time. Some people just want to vibe, role play, or socialize.
Also some people just leave launchers open and rack up ghost hours unintentionally.
Edit: I'm amused there's so many reasons for leaving the launcher open I didn't even think of. Personally, mine was just having a bad habit of playing Elite Dangerous until I fell asleep in the chair. Computer would go to sleep, I'd rack an extra ~16 hours before ei came back. Then I'd remember to check in the morning, cutting it down to like 7 extra hours. I probably have 100-200 racked up from before I got better sleep commitment. 2020 was an interesting time in which time itself didn't matter for a bit. Rounding 1100 hours now.
I've never left the home for an emergency and come home a week later to find geralt on his horse waiting for me to get back
Witcher is a slower burn anyway
i still need to go back and finish blood and wine, but my local library has so many fun things in it
An uncommon case, but I like to suspend the game process so I can get back into the game without wading through loading screens etc. But with Steam at least playtime tracking increases during this time so it seems like I have 100s of hours of playtime.
Leave satisfactory running while you go to work, and there are full containers stacked ten high when you get home.
I remember when idling was the easiest way to get TF2 drops so someone made a map with fire at the spawn to slowly kill idlers.
Anything for hats.
I had eight separate accounts to farm drops. I don't think it really provided any real value. At one point my backpack was worth over $200, which for a kid with no income was a lot of money. I still have some of my favorite items, even though I haven't played TF2 in years.
I miss TF2. During COVID, I sold three of my hats for enough to buy an Index. Good stuff.
Yup, I have about 2k hours on Destiny because I'd leave the launcher open while it was updating or offline.
We played the fuck out of elite dangerous. Still do, sometimes. But during the pandemic when even the outdoors were largely shut down, and it was snowing sideways... I'm getting close to 1,100 hours too.
Glad to see another player! There's at least 4 of us here. I still love it, but play rate dropped way down when I went back to the office with a commute. I believe I hit about 700 hours 2020-2021. The events over the last year rekindled my interest and acquired my focus. The Thargoid invasion was fun, though I didn't do much battle. But I nabbed a few dozen base-level goid kills since surface-based air battles didn't have swarms. There were a few lucrative community goals since then as well. I made 1.5 billion last month with a cargo haul loop where I managed top 25% (mild addiction). I'm close to handing in the current CG with exploration data, though I'm not sure what the payout really will be. Should be solid top 50% for that.
I'm not into the grind. I'm into the vibe. 1000+ hours with ~23 ships but only 4.x bil in the bank. High imp rank (got the Cutter) but still 2 ranks below unlocking the Corvette. Aside from CGs, I don't really do any activity more than 3 play sessions in a row.
The CGs are fun! I liked playing Elite back when Void opals and Borann didn't mean too much grind. Exploration with exobio can still net you money in a pinch, but it's a bit less fun than core mining or wing laser mining with pirates and 400T+ in the cargo hold.
I miss the high stakes/high reward gameplay that made elite feel dangerous, when your miners needed lasers and sidewinder missiles. I'm hopeful that they will bring mining back that can make enough money to support carriers.
All that said, work towards the Corvette! It's one of the best large ships in the game. Twin Class 4 plasma accelerators w/engineering, g5 dirty drag drives, and prismatic shields are insane. Put a multicannon on the bottom, two turretted lasers with thermal vent effects on top, and sidewinder racks on the side for long range interdictions. Having an AI pilot with a fixed laser taipan or fixed multi cannon F63 is insane for throwing power around too. Throw some SCBs on for the prismatics, and you can be in CZs or haz reses for a long time, safely.
This is true. Could have just left the title screen up so he could jump in and save 45 seconds. I never do this personally because I want an accurate hour count.
Now we know for certain that he is suffering from crazy
SoT is as much a chill game as it is competitive or grindy. I’ve probably spent a couple hundred hours in that game just fishing.
I mean if you go around trolling PVP you can get a lot of time from very little.
The real content is the friends/enemies you make along the way
I have almost 1600 hours on Rocket League. I don't play anymore (actually haven't touched it in years) but it was the thrill of competition that kept me going, not the content.
Have you actually played the game lately? In my opinion there is no lack of content
It's a game with procedurally generated content, so it has infinite content. It's also a great multiplayer co-op game, where you need to work together with friends to accomplish things.
Really depends on how you treat the game. If you're solo PvE there's like 100 hours. If you're playing with friends and treating it as a PvP game, it's essentially endless content.
Nothing incompetent about it. Just evil this time.
They want a profile of the guy. They want to sell him as a left-wing extremist. They'll outright lie about it if they have to--they mostly have already--but lies work better when they're based on some level of truth.
How did he have time to practice his rifle skills? That's my question.
I mean, I met enough shit shots who can't figure out "if the hole in the paper is lower than where you're aiming, aim more up" and video games kind of teach that kind of problem solving.
Depends on what games you play though. You surely aren't learning this stuff from CS
those are 1 hit kills with massive hitboxes, right? it's been a while.
Not really. In CS the first few shots go directly into the crosshair, but when firing continuously you have to aim downwards. So there its the other direction than in real life.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JFK_Reloaded
No wonder RFK jr says videogames lead to violence!
His Steam profile has over 100 "Mind Blown!" Awards lmao
You can look up the tweet from the article to get the link to the Steam profile
Mind sharing it here please?
I'd rather not since there was the whole fiasco with the guy buying the shirt the killer wore having the FBI come after him. I found it by searching for the guy's twitter handle and one of the usernames posted in the screenshot
You're going to back off your first amendment rights because the FBI might come ask you about it?
Chat, are we cooked?
You post it then?
I don't see anyone else fucking posting it lol. Buncha cowards right alongside me
We live in a police state now.
You haven't seen anything yet. I mean I do not disagree it is pretty fucked now. It will become much much more so however.
I don’t really get it, they already have his account, so what’s the point?
To me what's stupid is that they found nothing, as most of us would have expected going through a steam account, and yet they are "leaking" this information and what kind of bullshit narrative are they trying to push this time.
Trying to back up RFK's bullshit, disproven games caused mass shootings BS?
The fuckheads in office are searching for stuff they can blame. It's couldn't possibly because he was a right wing nutjob. Oh no it must be video games! Time to start cracking down on that now!
Dumb fucks...
Didn't he directly criticize Kirk as being hateful shortly before the shooting? Where's this coming from?
Agreed that Steam is a really stupid place to be looking for anything of substance.
Well, maybe the fact that he left a negative review for a game he has over 2000 hours in signifies derangement on some level, if not political, lol.
Do you mean those totally legit messages that totally didn't sound like it was a mix of someone from the 60s and cop speak? Or did he criticize somewhere else?
"I would like to remain unseen," said the Genzer
You're right, every piece of evidence that doesn't confirm your biases must be fabricated.
There's no other possibility.
My only bias in the situation is not trusting cops, espescially Trumps justice department and Patel's FBI.
If you look for any information outside of what the administration says and what the news repeats, you will see many people believe it was fabricated. People who are the same age as him say it doesn't read plausible, people on the far right say it doesn't sound like anything they have read, leftists say it sounds like no kid they have come across, people who study linguistics say it doesn't match someone his age and the writing cadence is weird, especially someone who spent as much time online as him.
It's just super fishy, and I would be skeptical no matter who was in charge. I think a healthy dose of skepticism is important in today's environment. We will find out more when this comes up in court.
He was an active groyper.
The Groyper War began in the fall of 2019, when Fuentes and his followers launched a social media campaign targeting Turning Point USA's "Culture War" college tour, led by Charlie Kirk. Motivated by the firing of a Fuentes ally and other conflicts, Groypers disrupted college events by asking provocative questions on immigration, Israel, and LGBT rights to challenge mainstream conservative figures like Kirk, Donald Trump Jr., and Ben Shapiro, whom they labeled "Conservative Inc." for deviating from their far-right views.
This is also why Ben Shapiro went into hiding shitting himself.
This is pretty much the opposite of what Robinson did, so...what are you talking about?
Also, groypers didn't criticize Kirk because he 'spreads too much hate'—if anything, they think he's not extreme enough. Another direct contradiction.
I think you're believing what you want to believe, not what the evidence points to.
People who play Powerwash Simulator are not to be trusted.
How DARE you! ... I mean, you're not wrong but...
Especially if more than 100 hours
Criminally insane.
Well the dude was definitely mentally ill if youre looking at that.
The evangelicals supporting trump are responsible for the recent mastercard debacle to remove steam games. I wouldn't be surprised if they start into a new wave "video games cause violence" bullshit.
Also I thought the kid seemed fairly normal but him being a SoT sicko makes me wonder.
https://kotaku.com/charlie-kirk-shooter-steam-library-valve-discord-radicalization-2000626897
1.) If you didn’t vote in '22 or '24 and legally had the ability to do so, you’re not a Liberal or Progress, full stop.
2.) No Liberal or Progressive would want to be associated with Trump, even ironically for the “lols”.
He bagged some transgender baddie and it turned a God-fearing conservative white boy into a radical sleeper cell leftist assasin. That's why they are trying to keep us transgender girlies down...
Sometimes the Stochastic Terrorism boomerangs.
This is exactly what intelligent people have been saying for years would happen.
Some MAGAt, primed for violence, finally figures out they've been lied to for 10 years & decided to put that penchant for violence to use.
Both of Trump's would-be assassins were registered Republicans.
They know that we would be to OP if they just let us live in peace.
Yeah, if the published narrative is true this is a man who was taught by the right wing all their shit with guns and everything that came out of the militia movement through maga, then fell for a trans chick, and questioned the narrative but not the means then did what the right was amping up to do.
The left was taught through extreme state retaliation and intense media spin that violent actions work against our goals outside very specific situations (waiting for them to attack first in ways the center is horrified by). Between cointelpro and the green scare we've more or less learned to keep to demonstrations that strive to build popular support. Meanwhile during that same time the right has been building armed compounds because they understand the double standards. After Waco the government was afraid to crack down on righr wing paramilitaries.
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Specifically looking at the games he played, his name will show up constantly as:
Donald Trump was fragged by X. Donald Trump was stabbed by Y. X was splattered by Donald Trump.
Kill feeds, it's an old joke for gamers. Obama splattered Miley Cyrus, that kind of shit. I don't think '2.)' is accurate, at all.
What year are you from?
Yes I understand killfeeds are different in each game, you can move on now.
Nah killfeeds are basically dead these days. Modern games are so information dense that many don't even ship the feed and if they do most people don't even notice it. That's definitely not why someone would meme as Donald Trump.
It's just rage bait and I agree with OP that no left/liberal person would cosplay Donald Trump because why would you rage bait your own side? It's like an Ukrainian puting Putin avatar on - it makes no sense other than brain damage.
It's supposed to paint the "Games turn people violent" narrative, nothing else.
This dude could have 2000 hours on Animal Crossing and they'd still find a way
It supposed to help them find something that will allow them to convince us to let them do what they already decided they want to do.
They’re trying to obtain chat logs and communications across any channels. Each game’s developer is probably going to get a subpoena to hand them over.
This isn’t surprising or stupid.
Soon in some article:
” Investigations found that Tyler often wrote ’gg’. We don’t know what it means, but it could have connections to the alt-right Groyper movement”
They wouldn't say alt_right gropyer but "antifa"
That would be pretty hilarious
But no, you can be pretty sure they’ll use LLM to understand
I don't know that 2000 hours in sea of thieves means he's incompetent; sure the game can be finished faster but maybe he just really likes it
Probably several hundred hours of afk time
Yo ho ho and a bottle of rum!
CK will get more investigation and concern than MLK...
Actually heavy investment into SoT could be a sign. This game can nurture some very antisocial behaviour.
Thats probably the most polite way to put it. That game is plagued with awful human beings. Lol
I mean if you murder somebody, you should probably expect your privacy to be violated somewhat.
Don't you know murdering people is practically patriotic.
I’d be worried if I thought he could read
You can't "spy" on public profiles.
Steam said I have 173.9 hours in Hollow Knight. Then I clicked play, clicked abort launch, and now it says 16.1 hours. The in-game display, which is actually accurate, shows 30.7 hours.
It doesn't count offline playtime (or at least it didn't in the past). So most of my playtime for Half Life, Half Life 2, Celeste, Slime Rancher, and some others I played mostly while traveling is in invisible. Except people online say it's still tracked for the refund policy lol. I suspect there might be a weird interaction with the case where the steam deck dies when a game is paused in sleep mode.
Anyways not really related to the post I just wanted to rant about this because the time tracker is weird and kind of annoying
Are there even guns in sea of theives? At best I would think flintlocks. But its not like the guy became a pirate, yo ho.
It was a muzzle loaded flintlock 30-06 caliber smooth bore rifle
With a barrel shroud, you know... the shoulder thing that goes up.
I think it's probably his chat history they're after
it tells you he's a team player
wtf
I'm still not convinced that this was the guy. The FBI's narrative doesn't make any sense. Does anyone know a conspiracy theory community where I can go full tin foil hat?
Better ban steam.
Maybe they'll force the sale to Larry Ellison
you know steam has a messaging system don't you
you don't?
oh
jesus, people are fucking idiots
people use that?
The most I've used it was too annoy my friend to join my game or let me join theirs, and I only used steam messaging because he was on "do not disturb" on discord but I assumed (correctly) that he forgot to change steam
I'm sure he was messaging in there with Trotsky, AOC, a few drag queens and Vladimir Lenin.
That the dude had shit taste in games.
What's your favorite game?
Shadowman 64
At least it wasn't Superman 64. I would question your sanity if it was.
With Acclaim coming back from the dead I would like to get Shadowman 3. I dare not hope.
Well, gramps, every game mentioned in that article has mostly positive reviews on Steam. Have you considered that you're just set in your ways and clinging to what you enjoyed last century? lol
You aren't actually defending Sea of Thieves are you?
I know it got a bump when Skull and Bones crashed out the gate. But come on dude.
I've never played it. But it looks like most people who did, liked it, especially considering that it's much more likely for someone who hated it to leave a bad review, than it is for someone who likes it to leave a good one.
I have about the same in Elite Dangerous. What does that mean?
o7
trying to paint them as a "leftist basement ghoul, that plays video games" it such a boomer assumption on thier part.
DRG? Wanna bet he's a scout main? That rifle with extra weak shot damage buff, ya know?
Isn’t there a chat feature? Makes sense to look into anything he wrote in case a motive or something relevant is there.
'What does "3=================D~~" mean, is this antifa code speak?'
It's some trans thing! Trust us bro, see? Throw trans people in camps now. - some MAGA bastard
That's just a rocket ship.
Not just that, the in-game voice chat can live-transcribe spoken audio to the chat window.
Jesus Christ this is a more wholesome list of games played than I've seen in most children's accounts. Deep Rock Galactic? I'm kinda believing that he actually wasn't a lunatic right.
I look like a deranged violent psychopath with play time comparisons.
They are investigating every trail. That’s not incompetence…
Yeah they are legally required to. Of there is 40hrs of body cam footage, lawyers and prosecutors have to watch ALL of it