What does Antifa even mean?
Transcription: I Just Found Out that My Child's History Teacher is Forcing Them to Learn About Antifa Leaders. What is this Country Coming to?
Wikipedia page on Anti-fascism, listing Winston Churchill, Franklin D. Roosevelt, and Charles de Gaulle as Counterrevolutionary Anti-fascism examples
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-fascism
PS: Don't worry, today (9/17/2025) is the day that the house committee deliberates on Macro Rubio's ability to use the people's freedom of speech as evidence of terrorist organisation aid.
H.R. 5300, SEC. 226. NO PASSPORTS FOR TERRORISTS AND TRAFFICKERS
So it's just a matter of time before all the Antifas are sent to concentration camps.
PPS: Sorry everyone, looks like this post got too many upvotes and influenced American politics.
Trump says he’s designating Antifa as a terrorist organization
Im so confused. Are real people out there openly in favor of “fascism”?
Some people are openly fascist, yes. Thanks to the stupid fucking Jubbilee VS videos, I now know the depths of human stupidity are more boundless than I imagined.
However, I think this person just can't connect the dots that being anti-anti-fascism is just being pro-fascism. They don't actually think about the words they use, their meaning or their context. They just know that "antifa" is a left wing group, and left-wing, of course, bad, obviously. And since "antifa" stands for "anti-fascism", anyone that are "anti-fascists", including historical figures who lived and fought fascism well before the Antifa group existed, are the same as this modern group, and therefore left-wing, which, again, bad. They don't then take the next step in logic to, "if the anti-fascists were bad for opposing fascism, then fascism must be good. Praise Mussolini." Again, some do get there, but most are just thoughtless dum-dums.
It reminds me of when you ask people "If you are driving 80 miles PER HOUR, how long will it take for you to drive 80 miles?" And then they start guessing random shit or trying to logic it out or do math instead of just understand what the hell is being said. Weird mental gymnastics ensue that just demonstrate their complete lack of understanding.
What are you confused about? The current US administration is very openly fascist.
Yes, but they don't call it that. Nazis and fascism are "bad," regardless of how perfectly they embody their ideology.
They pretty much reinvented it from conservatism. It's like carcinization, crustaceans evolving into crabs, but various right-wing flavors evolving into fascism.
you take that back about crabs they're better than that
It wasn't meant to insult crabs, I just needed a metaphor for this kind of convergent evolution on the right.
Nearly half of America seems to be although I'd argue they're too stupid to even realize it.
They are like "nuh uh. You're the facist." When you read them the definition of the word they say google changed it.
It's so fucking infuriating... The very same "facts over feelings" group will deny the veracity of any fact provided unless it comes directly from their propagandist of choice...
People seem to have forgotten that the core conceit of George Orwell's 1984 isn't the surveillance state or the constant war or the two minutes hate and all the rest. It's the idea that by perverting what people even understand as truth you can get them to do anything.
Anti-fascists are Fascists, criticising someone who spouted hate speech is hate speech, anti-racism is racist.
This is why I only listen to my mom, she's always right!
More charitably we can say half the population trusts their tribal influencers to know what they are doing.
Before you go condemning them all, the tribal influencers telling people The Establishment Democrats know what they are doing or also misleading people. And people still do not seem to realize it.
Everyone trusts the wrong people.
This really feels like a polite way of trying to both sides that people who are bigoted assholes are exactly the same as people who dislike bigoted assholes.
I disagree, i don't think the person above is saying both sides are the same in terms of policy. But that both sides are being looked at as smart, impactful leaders that know how to play the game of politics.
Moderate liberals have elected people that they consider to be smart moderate liberals and they trust them to do the right thing. But a moderate liberal solution to actual fascists taking over the government is not an appropriate response. Just ask the social Democrats of the Weimar Republic.
My mom says that this is great because this is what she voted for, and she is always right!
There are real people out there that have no idea what fascism is. They think it's a movement that will ensure they have a stable job and that will just gently ensure that people with colored skin stay out.
They'd be fairly innocent if it wasn't for the rampant racism
https://i.imgflip.com/a6ej6y.jpg
yes or they cant put together antifa is short for anti facist
edit: spelling
tbf you can't put too much trust in a name either. the nazis weren't exactly socialist, despite calling themselves "national socialists".
i think the problem arises because people think that antifa is a single entity (hence e.g. antifa member) like the nazis, rather than antifa being closer to a political descriptor like "leftist" or "anti-capitalist"
Yes.
I don't know all these elitist words, but I heard that Antifa is a well organized Communist terrorist organisation!
There is a great song by the German punk band „Team Scheiße“, „FA“, with the refrain „Bist du anti Antifa, bist du Fa“ which translates to „If you’re anti Antifa, you’re fa[shist]. A bit simplistic but true.
Wouldn't expect anything more poetic from "Team Shit."
Just another word going through the right wing meaning-mangling-machine.
People need to stop letting rightards redefine words. Whenever I hear someone railing about antifa I show them this picture and ask which side are they on. I'm not some edgelord in a trenchcoat with a fedora either. It actually makes them stammer and back out of that position in a fucking hurry.
Hey the image isn’t loading for me for lemmy related reasons, what’s the picture of?
The Allied assault on Normandy beach.
Gotcha gotcha thank you!
D-Day LCVP https://www.nationalww2museum.org/media/media-resources/80th-anniversary-d-day-media-resources/80th-anniversary-d-day-media-resources-images
Some unamerican antifa activists going about their woke business.
my outlook is that antifa is active antihate. to be anti antifa is to be pro hate, pro fascist, pro genocide
You joke but we are looking at a whole rewrite of History, multiple times over depending on State. States like Tennessee already made it illegal to teach any history that makes someone feel uncomfortable. That was years back.
It will be an easy transition because they don't really teach history anyway. Back in the seventies that used to teach history, by the '80s and '90s they did not in any real way and had a very cursory and manipulated history they taught.
I joke so I can make people feel an emotional connection to what is actually happening around them as they acknowledge the cognitive dissonance and reality.
Um...I mean...terrorists identified by Marco Rubio don't deserve passports
There's a thread on /r/ conservative right now. It's fucking amazing. They are out of their goddamn Minds. They're all celebrating that finally Donald Trump is brave enough to Outlaw this obvious terrorist organization that's responsible for billions of dollars in property damage. That's right billions of dollars. They think antifa is caused billions of dollars of property damage. They're out of their goddamn Minds.
Keep in mind I can run an LLM that can churn out the low effort comments that sub is known for on 2 year old gaming hardware.
It's one of the problems with social media now (including this one)
Do liberals actually consider Churchill Antifa?
By the strictest definition, I guess I can see it. He opposed Hitler, the most visible fascist of the 20th century, so he's an anti-fascist.
Yeah but it wasn't out of virtue. He didn't oppose German fascism because it was an immoral and ruthless ideology. He opposed it because it was a threat to Britain's power and influence. He was famously antisemitic and capitulated to the reich until the moment it became impossible to do so.
Hence the "strictest definition." He was of the letter but not the spirit.
My bad I was not reading closely enough. I do be abiding by strict definitions though
Gave the Nazis a lot of support because they were going after socialists and Communists and that was the big fear of the industrialists. Instead of some moderate reform they got to deal with a supreme leader that started a world war.
Thwy might have been better off with moderate reform than world war the rich.
He could've been ProFa and joined Hitler, so I'm also grateful for that.
Yeah but by that definition Hitler was a socialist!
No, he actually opposed a fascist. Nothing Hitler did was socialist.
I was referencing the often parroted “nazis have socialist right in the name” talking point fascists use today.
I don't know what Antifa even means but my mom says it's communist so I hate it!
That is not far from the truth
My mom is always right!
Anyone who thinks a state leader of one of the most destructive empires in modern human history is not fascist...
This is the same empire that tried to destroy evidence of global wrongdoing in what they called Operation Legacy.
Ultimately, the Germans were just a bit fascist-er.
You mean the empire that brought us Gaza and Kashmir? Fascist? Naaah
At this point, I wouldn't be surprised if Liberals considered Biden to be antifa
Man a lot of them probably fucking do is the sad thing.
Don't worry, today (9/17/2025) is the day that the house committee deliberates on Macro Rubio's ability to use the people's freedom of speech as evidence of terrorist organisation aid.
H.R. 5300, SEC. 226. NO PASSPORTS FOR TERRORISTS AND TRAFFICKERS
So it's just a matter of time before all the Antifas are sent to concentration camps.
DOA in the Senate, if it even gets that far.
Denial is the first stage
Sorry liberal, Republicans have 53 seats in the Senate.
We are going to own the libs and Antifa by making them our slave labor source.
They need 60 votes in the Senate to pass this, doofus.
the 4th wall knocks over
It's a bit...I'm in character.
Poe's Law.
True
It takes 50 votes + VP to change the rules, and rule change is immune from filibuster.
Or the VP can just overrule the senate parliamentarian, they only never did that because "norms and traditions".
I know. But they don't want to get rid of the filibuster. The Republicans in the Senate are much less in sync with Trump than House Republicans. Since they're too chickenshit to really stand up to him, the filibuster allows the Democrats to do the work of denying cloture, and Republicans get to avoid the threats that come with openly defying him.
The VP can override the parliamentarian, but the Senate can override the VP's override. And it's worth pointing out that the Senate is very protective of its norms and traditions against outside influence, even now.
It literally is just a shortened form of anti-fascist.
My mother said that Antifa was a well organized terrorist organisation, and she is always right!
PS: My momma is always right.
Trump says he’s designating Antifa as a terrorist organization
https://www.cnn.com/2025/09/17/politics/antifa-terrorist-designation-trump
It's shorter than saying you're exclusively pro-do, pro-re, pro-me, pro-so, pro-la, and pro-ti.
Oh brother, 1984's doublespeak
If you think that antifascists are your enemy I have news for you.
I don't what to hear it! I don't read the news! My mom is always right, I get all my news from her!
I'm designating Love of Bell Peppers as a terrorist organization
It makes no sense! Peppers are supposed to be spicy, not sweet! I've never trusted a bell pepper in my life! My mom says they are Italian!
Where is this groups website? Can I register to get their newsletter?
Krasnov wants his Auntie Flo deported but he's been slurring his words as his latest shipment of SpaceX Cocaine was delayed.
as a side note:
It means that they can now have posts like this: https://old.reddit.com/r/Conservative/comments/1nk8xm0/antifa_is_recognized_as_a_terrorist_group_in_the/
If your comment is called out as antifa, doesn't matter if you have anything to do with supporting anti-fascists or not, it will add to a report count, one that can be made to be a very big number and has a pseudo legal premise Trump federal agencies WILL go after and which MAGA's Supreme Court WILL back up. It is a Gleichschaltung moment.
We need to report everyone's grand parents that faught against fascists in world war 2!
Appears to be the way