It's still crazy to me that nothing came from the Mueller report. Trump's campaign was being driven by the Russians because him being president would harm America.
And his supporters didn't see anything wrong with that.
I'm sure a great majority are more morally inept than twisted and unethical. One wishes only that our politicians did not for so long refuse the evidence of their senses with regard to Russia. Even Obama and Clinton thought the Kremlin would come around to their way of doing things in time.
they are complicit, they know full well russia was funding them, remember an article on reddit early this year was found out to primarly fund people like poole, loomer,shapiro, they immediately when media silence after that.
A whole bunch were uncovered to have been paid by Putin's Russia to spout these pro Russian talking points (hello Tim pool, feeling nervous yet?) and when uncovered they all acted like the innocent child who just got caught with their hands in the cookie jar
It's so funny to see that the exact same extremist US Americans that would kill you for just using the word "Russia" twenty years ago are the same ones that can't wait to suck Putin's dick. These people are so dumb that they don't even know they're dumb
i remember that poole was one of them, i think chaiya rachik(libsoftiktok) too, she was pretty obvious, jack proesbic, shapiro,and the others went pretty silent for a few weeks, until they could reorient themselves.
Funny how many posts I see of this guy being an utter cesspool but when I go on conservative media, I see literally ZERO examples of him saying anything they feel is worth praising. It’s almost as if everything out of his mouth was vitriolic garbage and they know it.
It was less of a murder and more of a lesson on the 2nd Amendment in my opinion. But basically yes, if by "asshole" you mean being a hateful fucking nazi.
That may be the case but whatever theocratic white-supremacist trump-supporter he was, I think advocating for the murder of a person because he advocated for the murder of a person (or at least implied that) doesn't make one any better than him, if that makes sense.
People are talking about him having spread hatred (which he did) and are at the very same time spreading hatred about him. Quite ironic in a way...
"I do not imply that we should always suppress the utterance of intolerant philosophies; as long as we can counter them by rational argument and keep them in check by public opinion". - Karl Popper, clarifying that statement you cited
One shouldn't kill a communist that is simply voicing their opinion, one should however kill a second Stalin.
These MAGA scum are a direct threat to the US constitution. They are so weak willed that they follow people like this and actually enjoy being manipulated by them. The person that killed the asshole wasn't even one of "us", he was another MAGA that was mad because he thought this asshole wasn't being a big enough threat to the Constitution.
MAGA is so hateful and crazy that they are killing themselves.
MAGA is a death cult in every meaning of the term, so much so that my perception of the vast diversity of different meanings of "death cult" keeps expanding quite against my desire to explore further expressions of it.
The issue is that if you think it's justified to kill people on the basis of views that you (radically) disagree with, then that same justification could be used by them to justify killing you, right?
(Also, I think calling him a nazi doesn't do the victims of actual nazis justice, the latter of whom certainly did more than verbally expressing a radical ideology; but this just on the side)
Dude was overtly racist, called for violence against ethnic groups, supported a literal genocide, among other things. He was doing the same shit the Nazis did in the beginning.
Likewise, but unfortunately I'm pretty sure based on the video that the sudden overpressure, then pressure loss, of blood, caused him to immediately black out and probably have no conscious experience after blaming gun violence on trans people and gangs.
as someone who has experienced sudden loss of blood pressure to the brain, you go grey then black very quickly. i was pumping my thighs to keep going (because i knew what was happening) and got an extra ten seconds of grey, don't remember anything after that. so... maybe he did?
sure, and FDR was responsible for millions of deaths too by entering ww2. If only he had rolled over for the Japanese and Nazis the world would have been a better place amirighf? /s
*Also, he doesn't know the difference between dead and casualty. Casualty is anyone dead or injured such that they can't fight. Militaries report casualties because they want numbers of those that can/can't fight.
This was on the aftermath of Zelenski visiting the US and they started arguing in front of the cameras. JD Vance accused Zelenski of not being grateful and of "haven't saying thanks once". Rubio couldn't sink deeper into the couch and background.
Given that Kirk got got by an even farther to the right Groyper, you have to start questioning the Two Sides narrative.
Almost as though politics is a spectrum - a fabric, even - and one's relative distance to one's peers can have little to do with one's desire to ventilate your peer's breathing tubes.
Yeah I was just reacting to hearing someone say that recently. That "both sides" are doing it. When is predominately 1 side doing it. I'm not sure I even know of someone on the "left" that says things like he was saying. I could be wrong and willing to admit it if someone could produce said person. Either way it's coming mostly from the "right".
And thanks for the good analogy of it being a spectrum or fabric.
I’m not sure I even know of someone on the “left” that says things like he was saying.
Sort of the heart of the respective ideologies. Leftists are inclined towards egalitarianism and comradre, with the view that a handful of selfish people are hording wealth to the immiseration of all. Reactionaries are inclined towards eugenics and the theory that a favored few deserve it all, with the view that "culling the herd" of undesirables is important and necessary work for a society to perform.
You'd like to think that a leftist would have been the one to end Kirk's career abruptly. But the idea of a militant left is so tied up with the idea of Evil Foreigner "Tankies" (and to a lesser degree, the clumsy disastrous youth movements of the 90s/00s) that its totally alien to anyone in any active organizing roll.
Meanwhile, armed reactionaries looking for someone to assassinate are a dime a dozen.
He was the kind of delusional shit-fucker who thought there's a heaven and that he was going there. If he happens to be right about the former then he's definitely wrong about the latter.
He was an attack dog, like almost all right wing internet pundits. This is what he was paid by the billionaires to do. If his taskmasters told him the new orders were to attack Zelenskyy, then by god that was what he did. I seriously doubt he ever had an original thought. Well, his racism was extra extra, I think that part he did for free.
1 thing connecting all these pundits, funded by an oligarch of russia to spread message of culture wars. the GOP and by extension the old guard DNc depends on culture wars to remain relevant.
How many of these fuckers are wholly owned subsidiaries of Russia?
Wholly I don't know, but many to the extent necessary to fuck us up
It's still crazy to me that nothing came from the Mueller report. Trump's campaign was being driven by the Russians because him being president would harm America.
And his supporters didn't see anything wrong with that.
Still, waiting for the unredacted version . . .
I'm sure a great majority are more morally inept than twisted and unethical. One wishes only that our politicians did not for so long refuse the evidence of their senses with regard to Russia. Even Obama and Clinton thought the Kremlin would come around to their way of doing things in time.
It really just makes me want to slap six people at random.
they are complicit, they know full well russia was funding them, remember an article on reddit early this year was found out to primarly fund people like poole, loomer,shapiro, they immediately when media silence after that.
A whole bunch were uncovered to have been paid by Putin's Russia to spout these pro Russian talking points (hello Tim pool, feeling nervous yet?) and when uncovered they all acted like the innocent child who just got caught with their hands in the cookie jar
It's so funny to see that the exact same extremist US Americans that would kill you for just using the word "Russia" twenty years ago are the same ones that can't wait to suck Putin's dick. These people are so dumb that they don't even know they're dumb
i remember that poole was one of them, i think chaiya rachik(libsoftiktok) too, she was pretty obvious, jack proesbic, shapiro,and the others went pretty silent for a few weeks, until they could reorient themselves.
Well, one less now.
Russia is extremely good at info manipulation. They have the full support of the auth-right and the auth-left. It's bizarre.
Lol.
Zelensky is alive.
Charlie Kuck is dead.
There have been dozens upon dozens of plots to assassinate Zelensky. There has only been one against Charlie Kirk.
One and done baby.
Is it a plot if it was a lone gunman?
Yes. You're thinking of conspiracy which requires more than one participant.
yeah plotting just needs graphs and protractors and shit
Technically correct. The best kind of correct.
Alternatively you could use CAD
and the medium is stringent, a plotter... oh no
From Oxford, hence my question
TIL.
Yes?
It's a semantics question, nothing political. Since plot is defined by Oxford as
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/plot
So it doesn’t have to be by a group.
I think you are thinking of “conspiracy” which requires two or more people.
chuckles the cuckles?
Wow, the hatred for a man simply defending his country from a violent invasion. These people are either complicit, or mind-bendingly stupid...
Not necessarily, they might be complicit and mind-bendingly stupid.
Why not both?
Funny how many posts I see of this guy being an utter cesspool but when I go on conservative media, I see literally ZERO examples of him saying anything they feel is worth praising. It’s almost as if everything out of his mouth was vitriolic garbage and they know it.
Almost as if one side posts only good things and the other only bad things
And, going by the comment you replied to, even the conservatives know that there aren’t any good things to post.
They think even this post is a good post.
This was kinda fine and imho contains a somewhat benevolent interpretation of christianity and conservatism: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJmcqjP8mhk
But yeah, there aren't many of these.
The voters one on side operate purely on feelings and tribalism alone, not logic or reason
One of those guys is a living legend.
And one of them is a dead fascist!
The best kind.
recently upgraded to one of the good ones
Someone should shoot this assho ... oh, my bad.
No. He does not deserve to be mourned but that does not mean he deserved to be murdered.
Hey man, no need for such a full throated criticism of the departed...
Being an asshole is enough to deserve being murdered now?
It was less of a murder and more of a lesson on the 2nd Amendment in my opinion. But basically yes, if by "asshole" you mean being a hateful fucking nazi.
That may be the case but whatever theocratic white-supremacist trump-supporter he was, I think advocating for the murder of a person because he advocated for the murder of a person (or at least implied that) doesn't make one any better than him, if that makes sense.
People are talking about him having spread hatred (which he did) and are at the very same time spreading hatred about him. Quite ironic in a way...
"I do not imply that we should always suppress the utterance of intolerant philosophies; as long as we can counter them by rational argument and keep them in check by public opinion". - Karl Popper, clarifying that statement you cited
One shouldn't kill a communist that is simply voicing their opinion, one should however kill a second Stalin.
Welcome to Soviet America where you can get eliminated for simply having wrong beliefs.
I mean, it's more about letting anyone have a gun. Your shooters are always mentally unwell, or actual children.
You should argue gun control with Kirk, the sign said to prove him wrong.
These MAGA scum are a direct threat to the US constitution. They are so weak willed that they follow people like this and actually enjoy being manipulated by them. The person that killed the asshole wasn't even one of "us", he was another MAGA that was mad because he thought this asshole wasn't being a big enough threat to the Constitution.
MAGA is so hateful and crazy that they are killing themselves.
MAGA is a death cult in every meaning of the term, so much so that my perception of the vast diversity of different meanings of "death cult" keeps expanding quite against my desire to explore further expressions of it.
I see nothing wrong with shooting racist nazi fucks like that.
The issue is that if you think it's justified to kill people on the basis of views that you (radically) disagree with, then that same justification could be used by them to justify killing you, right?
(Also, I think calling him a nazi doesn't do the victims of actual nazis justice, the latter of whom certainly did more than verbally expressing a radical ideology; but this just on the side)
Dude was overtly racist, called for violence against ethnic groups, supported a literal genocide, among other things. He was doing the same shit the Nazis did in the beginning.
Posting screenshots of his tweets is disrespectful to his memory.
/s
You can ditch the /s, this is unironically true.
Edit:
https://lemmy.zip/comment/21519822
not really. That is what he spent his life working on.
What do you mean?
I meant it like Kirk himself disrespected his memory by posting those tweets.
I now realize that the /s was needed!
Quoting a person's actual words they intentionally published to the whole world is disrespectful?
I hope Kirk knew that he was dying.
Likewise, but unfortunately I'm pretty sure based on the video that the sudden overpressure, then pressure loss, of blood, caused him to immediately black out and probably have no conscious experience after blaming gun violence on trans people and gangs.
as someone who has experienced sudden loss of blood pressure to the brain, you go grey then black very quickly. i was pumping my thighs to keep going (because i knew what was happening) and got an extra ten seconds of grey, don't remember anything after that. so... maybe he did?
Everytime I read that last part I can help revel in the irony.
Except that I would greatly prefer that he were acutely aware of what happened, why, and who was responsible. If only he had lived until Saturday-ish
He knew, but not for long. I'm just sad her never knew it was a right-winger that did it
He should've lived longer. By a few hours.
I've got nothing to say about the other guy, I'm just going to celebrate that Zelenskyy and Ukraine are still going strong!
Slava Ukraini 🇺🇦
Героям слава!
sure, and FDR was responsible for millions of deaths too by entering ww2. If only he had rolled over for the Japanese and Nazis the world would have been a better place amirighf? /s
In all fairness, that is the Christian way.
Holy fuck.
*Also, he doesn't know the difference between dead and casualty. Casualty is anyone dead or injured such that they can't fight. Militaries report casualties because they want numbers of those that can/can't fight.
This was on the aftermath of Zelenski visiting the US and they started arguing in front of the cameras. JD Vance accused Zelenski of not being grateful and of "haven't saying thanks once". Rubio couldn't sink deeper into the couch and background.
Nobody mentions this, but he says thank you like RIGHT AWAY, well before couch fucker asks that question.
The only one who could sink deeper is Vance
Yeah, this is clearly parroting some party line. Doesn't make it great though.
But both sides, amiright?
Given that Kirk got got by an even farther to the right Groyper, you have to start questioning the Two Sides narrative.
Almost as though politics is a spectrum - a fabric, even - and one's relative distance to one's peers can have little to do with one's desire to ventilate your peer's breathing tubes.
Yeah I was just reacting to hearing someone say that recently. That "both sides" are doing it. When is predominately 1 side doing it. I'm not sure I even know of someone on the "left" that says things like he was saying. I could be wrong and willing to admit it if someone could produce said person. Either way it's coming mostly from the "right". And thanks for the good analogy of it being a spectrum or fabric.
Sort of the heart of the respective ideologies. Leftists are inclined towards egalitarianism and comradre, with the view that a handful of selfish people are hording wealth to the immiseration of all. Reactionaries are inclined towards eugenics and the theory that a favored few deserve it all, with the view that "culling the herd" of undesirables is important and necessary work for a society to perform.
You'd like to think that a leftist would have been the one to end Kirk's career abruptly. But the idea of a militant left is so tied up with the idea of Evil Foreigner "Tankies" (and to a lesser degree, the clumsy disastrous youth movements of the 90s/00s) that its totally alien to anyone in any active organizing roll.
Meanwhile, armed reactionaries looking for someone to assassinate are a dime a dozen.
and here's my mom thinking we're borderline celebrating his death because he's Christian
You could try sending her these things
Maybe with a "oh, is this what Christians believe?"
I agree! It's perfect! She needs to hear sas!
He was the kind of delusional shit-fucker who thought there's a heaven and that he was going there. If he happens to be right about the former then he's definitely wrong about the latter.
⬆️➡️⬇️⬇️⬇️
¯\(ツ)/¯ womp womp womp
I'm starting to suspect that this Kirk fella wasn't a nice guy.
What! How dare you ... straight to the reeducation camps with you
He was an attack dog, like almost all right wing internet pundits. This is what he was paid by the billionaires to do. If his taskmasters told him the new orders were to attack Zelenskyy, then by god that was what he did. I seriously doubt he ever had an original thought. Well, his racism was extra extra, I think that part he did for free.
1 thing connecting all these pundits, funded by an oligarch of russia to spread message of culture wars. the GOP and by extension the old guard DNc depends on culture wars to remain relevant.
Shame on any Ukrainian who supported the sack of shit.
Lol rest in piss, moron
lived like a tool then died like a tool
Every time i see that i just think "hahahah someone didn't get the unwarranted reacharound they were expecting"
Complete fucking narc meltdown
Thoughts and prayers 😂
Yeah? And you're dead. Checkmate fascist!
I don't want anyone to die, but holy shit he was fucking repulsive.
Well, maybe Putin...
It is/was always a projection with these cunts.